[Resolved] Ssizhs Zusoa Was a Murderboning Clown

[Pacbat]

BYOND Key: pacbat

Game ID: bQR-a2UN

Player Byond Key: Hivefleetchicken

Staff involved: (This is if the complaint was ahelped and if it was handled by a staff member)

Reason for complaint: Ssizhs Zusoa ran around murdering people with very little RP such as shooting up the whole of medbay which was mostly unarmed doctors and paramedics.

Did you attempt to adminhelp the issue at the time? If so, what was the known action taken by administration/moderation? Yes. Nothing happened at all.

Approximate Date/Time: 10/09/2017 and approximately 02:46 CST

[Biolock]

Ssizhs Zusoa was a loyalist that round might I add. He killed me as well, and I was a law-bound NT supporting cyborg.

[Sytic]

Quite literally a murderboning clown, at one point refused to speak because they had a clown mask on. Then refused to give any non-vocal orders and proceeded to waste anybody that had the potential to be a threat. As a person just observing them walking away, they fired at me completely nonchalant. Later when they didn't have the mask on, they apologized.

I still could have very easily edit: no not really, was just salty died due to this if a friendly Engineering Borg didn't help me out.

made a response to hive down below

Edited October 10, 2017 by Guest

[Autism Speaks]

I made a post about this guy as well right before you. But yeah I will link my complaint for him as well https://forums.aurorastation.org/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=9255.

[Mogelix]

+1 for the cause, but this complaint is really badly written. It doesn't detail all of the bullshit he did that round. Admittedly, he did do some legit kills (I was killed in a dark maintainence tunnel with a admirable amount of RP), but there was a ridiculous amount of... dodgy kills.

[hivefleetchicken]

Yeah tell you what, I recorded this round in all its glory, ill be uploading it tomorrow. Until then, dogpile freely.

[Bath Salts Addict]

I feel like there could've been a lot more meat to this complaint, and was fully willing to write one up myself.

It was an Uprising round. I was playing Noir that round, and I did not die to him but rather another antag relatively early on in the round, just shortly after his Medbay murder spree. That means, as a ghost, I got to watch him go on a spree of almost wordlessly killing all of Medical, half of science, a gaggle of engineers, the Chief Engineer himself, some random miner and a lot more I'm probably missing.

But that's not even the worst part of it. Exhibit A)

 

 

Here we see Hive's character as a Loyalist. Not a traitor, not a Rev, but a loyalist. I understand that Loyalist can be loosely interpreted, but I fail to see how breaking into the Captain's office to acquire all access, ordering guns from Cargo, putting on a clown mask, arming himself up and going around to murder the entire medbay, a bunch of engineers, half of science, a Head of Staff, possibly even two his own fellow Loyalists and an assortment of other randoms can ever benefit NanoTrasen in any capacity. And you can't say Loyalists didn't have a gimmick either, as Darion Muck attempted to give Noir the classic "How do you feel about NT?" talk, and I watched Joe Anders gloriously form a militia in science, kidnap a Sec Officer and execute him via teleporting him to space. Not once did I ever see Hive's character attempt to get people to reason with him, see why what he was doing was right, or anything for that matter. At one point, Robotics had managed to obtain my character's body and was in the process of repairing it when Hive's character walked in. Instead of recognizing that it could have created interesting conflict to have someone come back to hunt him down, Hive's character immediately hauled his lizard ass to the armory and grabbed the ion rifle to immediately shut down the possibility of being stopped by the Big Bad Synth Menace. He then went into Robotics and demanded the Roboticist to throw Noir in the trash, leaving briefly to murder a Miner that got in his way (granted, the Miner did attempt to disarm him once). After the Miner's disruption, and even shooting an ion bolt at ODIN who was just standing nearby, Hive's character then went into Robotics and immediately lasered the Roboticist to crit, left him, ran away from some scientists with guns and seeing that the Roboticist still wasn't dead, shot him some more despite being attacked by armed crew, dragged him into the morgue and then beat him to death finally He then dragged Noir to disposals and tossed him in, but never got the chance to finalize the disposaling before rushing off to departures after killing some more scientists.

At some point through all the murderbone, salty victims and observers alike reported this to staff, including ShameOnTurtles and either Exia or Ezuo (their names are so similar and I know one joined mid-way through all the murderbone). Of course, this did nothing and when grievances were aired, all we got were the classic "calm down and take it to the forums" because neither staff wanted to actually look into the situation and dare lay down a judgment call. After he was ahelped about and contacted by staff, at one point this came up in LOOC. Exhibit B):

 

 

This is absolutely disgusting behavior by someone who is supposed to have the responsibility of creating interesting roleplay in a round, and especially appalling when considering the fact that it came from someone with an Unathi whitelist. This clearly shows Hive felt no regard on an OOC level towards the people who's rounds he ended prematurely and without little provocation. He crossed the line above and beyond the point of necessity, straddled it, made it tearfully call him daddy and when he was done he continued on his merry way.

Someone joined the server for the first time, allegedly coming from Hypatia after a year or so of absence, and played their first round on Aurora. After getting murderboned in the medbay by Hive, their taste in the server suddenly soured and, to my knowledge, they quit despite repeated assurances that this was just a rare occurrence. A potentially competent, valued member of the community was driven away after witnessing Hive completely disregard any interesting RP or other people in favor of his own amusement and acquiring those ever-so-elusive valids.

[DrHobo]

watched Joe Anders gloriously form a militia in science, kidnap a Sec Officer and execute him via teleporting him to space.

 

Haha wunderbar but I can't take all the credit, we were a solid team and I was for throwing him in a phoronic death chamber but since we were in telescience, might as well space the poor bastard. The moral of that story is never ever ever delete research or an angry nerdmob will hunt you down and shit all over your day. We will rapidly get research back up but will be uber-pissed about it.

Now before this comes up to bite me in the ass, I did engage the clownfaced killer in combat with full belief that they were the rev leader and not a fellow loyalist. This is the 2nd time I've shot at someone in my own "team" but they didn't have a loyalist icon and ICly I had no communication with or from them before hand other than seeing them with another known rev in robotics where both Zeke and Jack were found murdered. This may be a bug but it's led to some interesting rounds of questioning everything.

I don't think everyone on my team was actually a loyalist but in HRP it is more than Red Team/Blue Team or Us vs Them, there is a grey area and you may find yourself in some moral dilemmas (like the 1st time where Cherry was trying to execute then kidnap a restrained woman Olivia while in Custody, Chaplin ain't gonna stand for that regardless but there was no icon showing they were a rev let alone a head rev). While we may have mobbed together regardless of formally being loyalist, it's good that we worked together as it can also lead to the most beautiful backstabbing, betrayal and bromancing as non-converts see us get martyr'd helping them. The loyalists at the round end were few but we were many.

I shot "The Captain" with an energy pistol we'd found in the science lobby twice before going in to rescue Zeke and Jack who were both dead. Alice Archer was with Anders in Robotics Surgery when The Captain said they should leave and Anders should stay, they then threw in a pepperspray grenade and I fled blinded before they beat me to death with an extinguisher and dragged me to outside the kitchen. Now I'm ok with that (maybe not so much the chemist and janitor that just searched my body and left me there, though from what I hear the chemist was a douche anyway) but at no point was I aware they were a loyalist, from what I'd seen they were the head of the revs that had attacked science and the very face of death itself. Anders, an old ass man wasn't gonna let the poor science kids get murdered on his watch. I have no idea what happened in medical, I barely left science, but it sounds brutal as fuck.

Though I don't think an Unathi would go on a killing spree as a loyalist wearing a clown mask, from what I know of the Unathi they are quite a serious and honor-bound folk much like klingon reptiles. I wouldn't think an Unathi would belittle themselves with a clown mask of all things, if it was a tactical mask then sure it's an unathi with bloodfever but a clown mask is the mask of a fool, far from honorable. As for the loyalists of the round, we were primarily protecting science from corrupt security (though Noir was cool as always).

Overall a great round; much roleplay, much paranoia, much fun. My only problem (which it isn't really) is an Unathi being clownfaced but I am no expert on the intricacies of their customs other than literally "What Would Worf Do", and also having a loyalist potentially murder members of the hardworking and loyal science team (great team, love y'all) which has yet to be verified. I, like Han, shot first but I hope I've explained why.

Oh and for the record I never ahelped when I died, just took my death like a pro as a chance to grab another beer and finally go to the much needed toilet.

[hivefleetchicken]

Oh and for the record I never ahelped when I died, just took my death like a pro as a chance to grab another beer and finally go to the much needed toilet.

 

Haha, cheers mate, glad you took it like a champ. Admittedly I was dragging you through the halls until I could find a place to execute you, before realizing that anyone I ran into would attack me, so I stopped pulling you in the Aft hall where people were hiding (since the central hall was my killing grounds) and said something like "Now YOU SIT HERE AND THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU'VE DONE". It is strange literally none of the guys in that hall came to your rescue, rather they looted you. That sucks.

Anyways as promised, here is my entire analysis and explanation of the round, accompanied by video footage. BE WARNED: It's a full, extensive explanation of every major event in a two and a half hour round, but I want y'all to read every last bit of it.

(ENJOY READING SHARP, FEEL FREE TO HATE ME)

 

Before we get into this, do note this recording is set at 2x speed so that I am sparing you from watching two hours of content, as well as my own free time waiting for it to process.

Let's begin at the start.

0:00 - 12:00

You can see me many times in these first 12 minutes trying to motivate my other players to do something cool and special that will add a fresh spin to the mode. Some players refuse, thinking I will metagame them, some just say they can't think of anything, but no one but me seems really interested in doing anything with the round while also being willing to share it with us. I myself settled on the idea that I would stage a coup and take over the station to hunt down the revs, and establish the loyalists are the true lawbringers of the Aurora as the Transen family intended or something (dont ask me for my logic on this decision, I just wanted to do something fun and no one else wanted to participate).

03:20:

I find a bunch of masks. I decide these will be good for bringing anonymity to my cause while my coup takes place to establish the real law. I settle on the clown mask because of the terror I know it will bring my enemies.

06:00:

I hack into the cargo warehouse because no one at cargo seems willing to donate supplies to my cause. Actually, there's no one there at all. I ransack it for as many items as I can for my guerrilla takeover.

9:00:

Now that I have some protection to make myself vulnerable with a reveal, I speak to various people in the halls, informing them that the revs are coming. I do this in cryptic language, but I am clearly recruiting people.

9:30:

As I am recruiting people, a shemale in a dress comes by. I decide this will be an excellent hostage/mechanic to prove how weak our current heads of staff are, and that I will bring the true strength of the law down on them.

10:30

I notice Olive Edwards the surgeon is orbiting around the Head of Personnel. I easily identify them as a potential hostile, ready to take out the HoP to his own ends. I decide to keep watch, and I follow him loosely as he continuously tries to bring the HoP into his office.

11:20:

After failing to get any gimmicks out of anyone else, I finally just ask people to agree on a codeword to help us identify other groups/factions. It would be like espionage, except we're all aware of who is who. We just don't have the resources or drive to kill each other yet. I think this is a great idea and a great mechanic for roleplay and I try many times this round to get people to follow it, but no one else really sticks to it besides me.

12:00

I say the codephrase. I get lots of responses from various people, informing me of who the agents are! I am super excited! We're about to get our war on. My violent takeover versus the ambitious revs.

15:00

I use the supermatter delamination as a chance to raid the Captain's office for the spare ID. I get it and get out, all while hiding my face.

16:00:

Desperate for an ally, I make a bold move. Olive the surgeon puts himself in danger by asking where the HoP is, but I clearly saw him with the Head of Personnel. I immediately conclude he is covering up the HOP's death and message him, stating something along the lines of "Good to know you took out the trash" and he responds with bluffing confusion, and I tell him to delete his messages. I decide he will be a good ally to have.

17:35:

I run into one of the people I know for sure knew about the "elves" codeword. I ask him what his alignment is, hoping to get some flexibility out of him since he's surrounded by loyalists. I get told this is meta, not sure why, I'm trying to unite people. Oh well, fuck it. I change the subject to the Captain's ID, give him a tiny spiel about my goals, and walk off.

20:25:

I break into the armory and take carbines and grenades to hand out to my allies.

21:05:

Edwards and I meet in person to talk about our PDA conversation. He says he actually hasn't managed to take out the Head of Personnel. I tell him we will work together for a short time until the violence breaks out, then all bets are off.

22:15

I find a cuffed officer, drag him into maintenance, knowing he's a filthy rev. I ahelp before asking if I can convert him since he seems open to roleplay, the admins say no. I leave him to hang on display and message the detective (the guy who says I am disgusting and offered no roleplay) a lengthy message of where he will find the officer's body, telling him 'YOU WILL FIND THE BODY OF THIS OFFICER IN NORTH BRIG MAINTENANCE. I WILL BE WATCHING". I consider that a pretty heavy-handed attempt at engaging you, mister Noir. It is not my fault you didn't make your own fun with it, but yours alone.

36:00:

I believe now is a good time to start my cause. We are an hour into the round and I haven't gotten any feedback from anyone, so I light the fire. I order tactical armor from cargo and begin my solo coup. Medical will be my first stop, since all I need now are medical supplies. I am ready for the takeover.

37:40:

I decide the first thing to go will be the AI. Just my luck, a borg passes me in the halls and catches my name. I decide to prevent him from calling for help by beating the piss out of him until we're safe in maintenance. I tell him I will replace his power cell once the coast is clear (once he is freed or once I am in charge) and remove it, leaving him in the middle research. I don't mind if he gets found and repaired, I just need to buy time to reach medical.

39:10:

I pass a researcher and tell him to be careful what he runs to security with, obviously implying that I will kill him for calling security. He calls security. I almost run back there to kill him for that, but I decide to spare him and continue on into medbay.

HERE IS WHERE SHIT WENT SOUTH AND I ADVISE YOU TO REMEMBER THAT ALL ENCOUNTERS SEEN WERE TWICE AS LONG AS THEY APPEAR IN THIS VIDEO. Each firefight, each pushing contest, each conversation, was twice as long as it appears in this footage. Remember that.

39:40:

A paramedic, seeing me in tactical armor with two guns, begins to hound me through the medical bay. He follows me through three rooms, two doors, before bumping me up against a wall in the equipment room. We bump back and forth about 5 times, before I decide I am NOT going to be taken out by a fucking paramedic.

40:00:

I flash the paramedic and start slashing him to pieces, in full view of the staff. I expect the three of them to run, seeing as they are merely chaplains and doctors and engineers, and security is not coming. Instead, as you will see, all three of them charged me with switchblades and other makeshift weapons. One paramedic took it upon himself to say "HEY FUCKHEAD" and charge me. I shoot everyone who doesn't run dead, meaning I shoot everyone dead. Smith I beat, since my weapons are not loaded. I eventually have to leave him because my pull command keeps breaking.

40:40:

I run into Noir a short while later. He shoots first, without warning or aiming. I'm just saying, you don't see me complaining. He continues to try to find an angle to execute me at despite me not having ammo to fight back with, and I kite him enough to get a distance to flee.

40:55:

Alexander Smith the weak chaplain who I just proved my devastating power to LEADS THE CHARGE to chase me down the hall, all the way into bridge maintenance with Noir. They are very adamant about getting me but I out-robust them with a swift door close right as they catch up to me. I am safe. I do not celebrate, because I don't want them getting my name.

42:00:

Meanwhile, I hear that Noir and the Chief Engineer are being killed outside. HOORAY, AN ALLY TO ACTUALLY DO MY GIMMICK WITH! I run to save him, knowing how much of a pest the robot can be, and find the CE on the ground calling for security. Hoping to prove that I am on his side, I shoot the CE and Noir to death, praying that my fellow antag saw it. Instead, he sort of mistakes me for an enemy and I get shot at, but I message him telling him I am friendly over the PDA and sec radio later.

43:00:

I head back into the medical bay to get my gloves, when I see that little shit Alexander Smith getting healed. I decide he is too much of a threat with him chasing me down the halls despite being stabbed a bunch, and that I will exterminate him. I have only one word for him, and that is "payback". I open fire.

43:20:

The medical bay CHARGES ME AGAIN! This time my weapons are all fully loaded and I'm not going to be chased off by unarmed revs while I'm in tactical armor with gun. What are they thinking? I execute them all for their rambunctiousness.

45:00:

I head to the Captain's office to safely answer an admin PM without getting ganged up on by unarmed medbay staff.

45:30:

I run into my ally from before. He's all decked out and I instantly let him know I want to team up. What does he do? He tries to murder me, without any words. I make him pay dearly.

47:00:

I run into a borg who strangely runs for the bridge despite no calls going out (I am wearing the Captain's headset), but he's not bad at all, so I totally let him walk off with some bodies and converse with him. He tries to clone the guy who tried to kill me and I tell him to stop, but he doesn't... So I imply that I might have to destroy him if he keeps it up.

50:30:

I run into Drago Jensen. Notice how he doesn't try to murder me, so I pat him on the back and leave him alone. I go into the bar. Notice how the bartender doesn't try to murder me once I shoot my gun in the air, and I leave him alone.

There is a very clear solution to your problems, everyone in this thread, and that is to stop trying to take on people with four guns and tac armor with your bare hands.

52:00:

I go into research to see them remaking Noir to kill me. I threaten the roboticist with DEATH if he continues rather than wiping the floor with him then and there. What do I get for it? Nothing, he continues. As I do so a crowd gathers outside to attack me, I clearly see it coming. I go to take the IPC hostage to get them to back off, instead they are inspired by this and try to attack me with makeshift weapons. I bluff, leaving the IPC alive, and kill anyone who rushes me. ODIN the IPC keeps running towards me telling me to stop, and I'm like "?????? I have four fucking guns watch yourself" but this is never relayed into IC because I have to run into maint to answer a PM.

54:00:

I head into robotics to warn the roboticist YET AGAIN. He ignores me, and the IPC keeps getting close to me, asking me if I want to see a magic trick. I'm obviously not going to fall for that and I keep my distance, ion rifle at the ready, losing my patience with this IPC who doesn't know when to stop coming towards me.

54:15:

More meagerly armed crew attack. I kill them, and yet again the IPC stalks me, this time chasing me far too long of a distance for me to think anything but "he's trying to find a way to get at my blindside" and I shoot him once to disable him. You can see that in the video.

54:25:

I head back into research, losing my patience, and move to throw Noir into disposals myself, though I'm not exactly feeling cruel enough to act on my bluff that I will kill the roboticist, instead moving to take him hostage. He responds by attacking me, stealing my ion rifle and shooting me. I decide to let him have it his way and flashbang him to make an escape once my ammo runs dry.

55:00:

My fellow loyalist in this vid makes a piss poor decision and starts shooting me when I run past. This corners me back into research.

This is when the players in LOOC start their round-long whining, while also trying to kill me, throwing any fear of me out the window. I am willing and ready show them the error of their ways, and do so.

55:10:

Now I am REALLY cornered. A borg chases me into robotics and I was led to believe he shocked a door as well by the fact that I got shocked by it twice. I am totally cornered, possibly this is the end. Instead, I ion the borg and stand my ground, deterring anyone who tries to go up against me. I execute the roboticist shortly after for trying to kill me to prove I am serious, using the shock caused by my mercilessness to heal myself.

56:00:

A great example of the crew's lack of fear RP is shown by the chemist who decides to blockade me in the morgue despite me being loaded on weapons and ammo. He, a lone unarmed chemist, states that "for his personal honor he cannot leave." Well okay pal. LOOC players continue to whine, somehow shocked that I would kill them for being attacked. I escape shortly after.

59:00:

I find Joe Anders, my ally who decided to shoot me twice, conversing with a civilian in robotics. I inform her that she is free to leave and escape with her life, but he will stay and face judgement. I think he is very aware of what is about to happen.

59:30:

I gas the room and Joe tries to run, I gun him down in the hall and kick him to bits and drag him to the Aft hall, leaving him on the floor and telling him "you sit here and think about what you've done", giving him a final kick.

1:00:25:

I run into my old nemesis-to-be head rev Samuel Gordon, still slinging dope. He does not try to attack me, so I let him live.

1:056:00:

I decide that all of this shit is too much for me to handle, and I blow off my dreams of becoming a space judge to smoke weed in an escape pod with him. We jam out to Steve Miller in the pod and party our days away, hoping to find a better future somewhere out there, together, despite our differences.

1:08:00:

The round ends and two complaints are already made. Well here's what I have to say to all of you lads:

Why any of you are upset and shocked for what you did is beyond me, you were 200% asking for everything that you got. The next time a guy has everything needed to wipe a station out and you have nothing but your bare bottom to fend him off with, I am certain that following through with his demands will service you a lot better than attacking him will. Furthermore, [mention]Bath Salts Addict[/mention], I would argue that you should not too melodramatic in calling me disgusting and horrifying because I made a single, imo justified, response to all the LOOC whinging.

 

[Sytic]

By the way, the "magic trick" in question was ODIN being able to light a cigarette without having any lungs to breathe. Me following you was in an attempt to ask you to calm down in your attempts of murdering the crew, but I was shot, wordlessly, as I was (in my mind anyways) still mid-interaction with you. However, you had believed the interaction had broken off (would have been nice if you inferred this in some way) and walked off to deal with a new potential threat, and when I tried to continue the interaction, you treated this as me trying to delay you or looking to kill you. Accurate if I wasn't a literal assistant, but a lot of odd jobs tried to kill you this round.

It probably wouldn't have been an issue if you told me to back off, if you exclaimed "look man I have guns I am unafraid to take you out" but I had not received a single word from you until after you blew me up with an ion shot, with an apology. At that point I was substantially less miffed, but keep in mind, from my point of view I had not heard a single word, whether it be a warning, a greeting, or a death threat. While I can't speak for anybody else however, you did have legitimate reasons not to interact with me in all of those situations (you didn't want me to know I would be killed if Noir is repaired as I would immediately book it, nor did you have time to talk to me when you were dealing with both miners in both of those situations, and you didn't know if I was an enemy or not so you disabled me) and only until did you finally find a fitting time to talk to me did you actually interact and it was a pleasant interaction. I am not miffed from myself being disabled (potentially killed, but that would have been unlucky) and I will retract previous complaints about you.

Do not expect everybody to run away. People play the game for the sake of roleplay and good interaction, and someone they don't know doing substantially strange things will most likely be talked to by the first person they meet instead of instantly running away. I didn't even know you were a psychopath at this point, I knew there were potential hostiles about, but didn't have any knowledge that you were one until I personally saw you firing on people, where I then attempted to quiz you on this (to no avail, because of the AdminPM sent to you, it looked like you didn't have time to reply) and got no response. Trying to interact later got me nothing, and the third time (the last time I tried personally to do so) I was met with an ion bolt. You didn't want to interact, and so I decided not to. You forced an interaction later on when you held Asimo hostage as a bluff, then apologized, and left.

I don't think Hive did anything purposefully dickish, I just think that they were rushed in a lot of situations causing them to kill as quickly as possible and move on, without time for a lot of roleplay. I do think Hive himself caused these situations however, and maybe in the future if Hive decides to go as blatant as he did, that he make the crew a bit more knowledgeable about their intentions, so that it'd be their own fault if they were to try and interact with the character he is playing and get shot for their troubles. If this isn't possible I'd also recommend trying to add a small "me gives (blank) a glare and readies their weapon in their direction" or a "say Get down and stay down or I'll put you in the ground myself." This makes their intention noted and gives the players a clear view of the character, instead of being confused, on where their character stands with Hive's. EDIT: The opposite also stands, don't just rush someone who you think might be evil if they'd have no reason to target you already.

EDIT: This is from what I can see, anyways.

Edited October 10, 2017 by Guest

[Scheveningen]

Someone joined the server for the first time, allegedly coming from Hypatia after a year or so of absence, and played their first round on Aurora. After getting murderboned in the medbay by Hive, their taste in the server suddenly soured and, to my knowledge, they quit despite repeated assurances that this was just a rare occurrence. A potentially competent, valued member of the community was driven away after witnessing Hive completely disregard any interesting RP or other people in favor of his own amusement and acquiring those ever-so-elusive valids.

 

Considering Hypatia was forced extended 24/7... Is this supposed to be a compelling point somehow, BSA? Should we pity the person whose name was not mentioned just because they got caught in the crossfire in a game where death is cheap, common and expected? Not surprised they soured to the idea of antagonists considering the complete lack of them before that server died off. Antagonists of the lifeblood of SS13. Much as I hate to say this, this server is not for everyone. The pacing, style, etc, is not for everyone. We do not enforce an absurd amount of RP seriousness nor do we force people to go down a list before they can escalate to kill people as an antagonist. While unfortunate they decided Aurora was not their taste, life goes on with or without them, as does this server.

I don't think it's wrong to pursue fun in this game. You do as you wish within reason, without undermining the quality of roleplay to an egregious extent, and without being a detriment to everyone else playing.

Imo I think the clown mask probably should've been passed over for something more serious. But beyond that, Hive did not necessarily murderbone. If you watch the video the majority of the confrontations consist of non-antagonists thinking it wise to try and bring down a known armed madman with a clown mask that has killed individuals already. It was a shame I wasn't there to have a nice chat with each person that decided it was a good idea to rush a deadly antagonist with no regard for their own lives. But their deaths are enough to suffice, really. A lot of the killings were reactive rather than proactive. The proactive murders were executed in an interesting fashion such as the officer being hung and killed with the detective being PDAed about the matter. In regards to the reactive murders: Tough luck. If you charge someone with intent to take them down or kill them, the person you are pursuing is well within their rights to fight back and survive by any reasonable means necessary. If this means double-tapping to ensure they don't need to watch their own back for 3 other individuals, then so be it. It's unrealistic to expect the entire scene to be paused by both parties so they can enact in some riveting turn-based emote combat. Gameplay would be boring with text-only fighting.

People are expected to run away in certain situations, by the way. They're expected to roleplay hesitation, fear, other emotions that adds flaws to character decisions yet helps them sustain themselves in the round for longer than if they decided to seek an opportunity to risk their own life or seriously piss off a murderous son-of-a-bitch who has resources to off anyone that messes with them.

But I guess people don't care since they can get cloned anyway, huh?

This whole round seemed to have turned into a massacre only because the pursuers decided not to attempt in engaging in dialogue and chose instead to fight. Their bad judgement call, not Hive's fault. Does it suck for the majority of people to get killed by the same antagonist? Yes, I am sure it does, but being part of a good sport is learning to take the good with the bad and understand your characters are not intended to survive the round but survival is ultimately an objective that should be pursued above any other concern.

Granted, the whole clown mask thing as a disguise just seems lacking in taste and interest to me. More of a personal opinion than anything else. Hive's comment about "don't cry just because you lost" has a ring of truth to it and people should probably abide by that standard although Hive knows better than to characterize people as infantile. So if that behavior is going to continue instead of trying to be more cordial even when people are being unnecessarily angry, all this does is feed a hostile, toxic cycle where involved parties get more and more upset at one another over a video game. Cool your jets, Hive. You know better.

I expect the other participants in this thread will get back on track to allow for further discussion and be just as cordial and polite as I described. If you cannot say anything nice, do not say anything at all. This is a public forum where everyone and anyone can see you having a fit. Don't give one another ammunition that needn't be fired at each other.

[hivefleetchicken]

I'd really like to agree with you Delta but I have to say, I am really happy I grabbed the clown mask. I terrified myself when I watched Woodward hanging in my reclining chair.

From the context of me running around in a gunfight in super armor, sure, the clown mask may appear silly rather than intimidating. But by God...

 

 

When I got to use it for its true purpose, it had a SERIOUSLY terrifying effect. I got chills from that mask the second I saw it. I knew it would be the perfect jigsaw-esque rev interrogation-tool. Maybe some of you didn't like it cause all you saw was Shooty McHonk, but the real purpose of the mask was to terrify the revs that I interrogated and masked my identity as I terrorized the detective.

Sadly that didn't last long, but oh well! It was spooky while it lasted.

[ShameOnTurtles]

With the combination of Hive's post of the video plus timestamps (thank you) and Delta's post, my thoughts are mostly summed up here.

For reference, I was the one that handled this on server. Firstly, the medical bay incident was the only incident that was actually adminhelped. In the future, do not just assume something is being handled. Report it.

I looked into the medical bay incident and deemed it valid. Why? Despite Hive's video I'll show some logs here:

Start of the medical bay deaths:

[08:10:59] bQR-a2UN SAY: Croike/(Serhiy Tarasenko) : (Ceti Basic) Security to medical!

[08:11:10] bQR-a2UN ATTACK: Captain (hivefleetchicken) Used the flash to flash Serhiy Tarasenko (croike)

[08:11:11] bQR-a2UN ATTACK: Hivefleetchicken/(Ssizhs Zusoa) attacked Croike/(Serhiy Tarasenko) with steel ritual knife (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYE: BRUTE)

Now, on server I was told by Croike that he was just standing still and by Hive that he was chasing him. With no way to prove either side I discounted it, but still deemed the kill valid. It was at the point in the round where he had gone full hostile. Having security called on him when he's in medical would have turned it into a death trap. Calling security on an antagonist, in general, is a valid reason for them to kill you. Especially when you call them within reach (or in this case, chasing them.)

Moving on:

[08:11:47] bQR-a2UN ATTACK: AutismSpeaks/(Daemian Thompson) attacked Croike/(Serhiy Tarasenko) with marble butterfly knife (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYE: BRUTE)

[08:11:48] bQR-a2UN ATTACK: Hivefleetchicken/(Ssizhs Zusoa) shot (/obj/item/projectile/beam) AutismSpeaks/(Daemian Thompson) (INTENT: HARM)

Daemian pulls out a knife on someone with a gun, and attempts to stab them. Very valid.

The next two are similar, so I'll post them at once:

[08:11:55] bQR-a2UN SAY: Chargonian/(Iphus Kevert) : (Ceti Basic) Hey, cocksucker!

[08:11:59] bQR-a2UN ATTACK: Chargonian/(Iphus Kevert) disarmed Captain (hivefleetchicken)

[08:12:01] bQR-a2UN ATTACK: Chargonian/(Iphus Kevert) disarmed Captain (hivefleetchicken)

[08:12:06] bQR-a2UN ATTACK: Hivefleetchicken/(Ssizhs Zusoa) shot (/obj/item/projectile/beam) Chargonian/(Iphus Kevert) (INTENT: HARM)

[08:12:21] bQR-a2UN SAY: Pacbat/(Alexander Smith) : (Ceti Basic) VICTORY OR VALHALLA!

[08:12:28] bQR-a2UN ATTACK: Pacbat/(Alexander Smith) attacked *no key*/(Daemian Thompson) with crowbar (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYE: BRUTE)

[08:12:29] bQR-a2UN ATTACK: Pacbat/(Alexander Smith) attacked Hivefleetchicken/(Ssizhs Zusoa) with crowbar (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYE: BRUTE)

[08:12:30] bQR-a2UN ATTACK: Pacbat/(Alexander Smith) attacked Hivefleetchicken/(Ssizhs Zusoa) with crowbar (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYE: BRUTE)

[08:12:31] bQR-a2UN ATTACK: Pacbat/(Alexander Smith) attacked Hivefleetchicken/(Ssizhs Zusoa) with crowbar (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYE: BRUTE)

[08:12:33] bQR-a2UN ATTACK: Captain (hivefleetchicken) Used the flash to flash Alexander Smith (pacbat)

[08:12:36] bQR-a2UN ATTACK: Hivefleetchicken/(Ssizhs Zusoa) attacked Pacbat/(Alexander Smith) with steel ritual knife (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYE: BRUTE)

 

The only thing I really regret from deeming these medical bay kills valid is not having more time to talk to each one of the people rushing the heavily armed and armored man.

 

This whole round seemed to have turned into a massacre only because the pursuers decided not to attempt in engaging in dialogue and chose instead to fight. Their bad judgement call, not Hive's fault. Does it suck for the majority of people to get killed by the same antagonist? Yes, I am sure it does, but being part of a good sport is learning to take the good with the bad and understand your characters are not intended to survive the round but survival is ultimately an objective that should be pursued above any other concern.

I really don't have much more to say, considering what's written here. As a whole, yes, one antagonist murdering quite a few people - especially civilians - is usually bad. Once you look closer at it, though, they're very justified.

To add something extra from the other complaint posted about this issue; no one was threatened to not post a complaint. They were warned that posting a complaint during the round would be IC in OOC. Online staff at the time tried to make it very clear that this was not a random thing we were forcing on people, but an established forum rule.

Lastly, I just want to remind everyone who was killed or participated in the debate in deadchat: Admin actions are not seen by players. Do not assume that just because you don't see anything being done, admins are ignoring you. When I came to the conclusion that the killings were valid I disclosed that to the original reporter and left it at that. Later, when accusations started flying, I posted it in deadchat.

[DatBerry]

Oh and for the record I never ahelped when I died, just took my death like a pro as a chance to grab another beer and finally go to the much needed toilet.

 

Haha, cheers mate, glad you took it like a champ.

 

While it's good to accept dying, don't forget that it's important to ahelp if the death is a rule violation, this goes for you too hive, you should've ahelped the heroes in medical even if you've killed them, if we don't talk to them they'll keep trying till they get lucky and secure valids.

[DrHobo]

Wow, that was a better story than anything written by Uwe Boll. I would literally watch that if it was a live action sci-fi Rampage 4, even how it was written up had me doing the Jack Bauer 24 boop boop noises inbetween the time lapses or maybe I'm just "listening to too much Steve Miller", either way cool story. I'm happy to be part of it.

I already said I rushed so that's all cool, was just angry (cause research was deleted) and tryin to protect my nerd homies from who I thought was the rev head. Anders would normally never attack first especially being an old ass man but deleting research makes scientists do funny things. Darion shoulda gave ya a shout about all us in Science if anything and we coulda all easily taken the station but sounds like a happily ever after with Sam which is a much better ending.

(PRE?)EDIT - Just noticed there's a second page.

I'm in agreement with Schev, very well said. Logs look legit and agree with Turtles analysis, don't call for security if there's a heavily armed potential psychopath within earshot; screaming for help gonna get a bitch slapped, I had already been held up at gun point that round by 2 others which was well done and they woulda gunned me down at the start if I'd shouted while they were still there - that was another good encounter of the round. If someone shouted Victory or Valhalla then it's probably either you or them that's ever breathing again cause that a crazy fucker. That clown mask did inspire the fear of hell in both Anders and the Shaft Miner when we first saw ya in Robotics but that's because of general SS13 PTSD not Aurora lore as far as I'm aware, honestly I do like seeing the very occasional killer clown in outer spess.

Don't get me wrong, if it was a total murderbone or otherwise against the rules then I'd have ahelped and have on the couple rare occasions which was generally migrating goons but I tried to go head on with an energy pistol with like 3 shots or less left and ended up an hero, was no surprise to me how it went down. There was a bit of the finest dialogue ever at the end which was like a fucked up Star Wars ending; I called him a bastard and told him he killed Jack then he told me he was a loyalist and that I was on his team so when I died I was totally OMGWATDAFAQLOLOOPSGG. I actually thought I was gonna get pulled up for shooting a fellow loyalist which I had no idea about til the end, what a twist.

[Scheveningen]

[08:12:21] bQR-a2UN SAY: Pacbat/(Alexander Smith) : (Ceti Basic) VICTORY OR VALHALLA!

[08:12:28] bQR-a2UN ATTACK: Pacbat/(Alexander Smith) attacked *no key*/(Daemian Thompson) with crowbar (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYE: BRUTE)

[08:12:29] bQR-a2UN ATTACK: Pacbat/(Alexander Smith) attacked Hivefleetchicken/(Ssizhs Zusoa) with crowbar (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYE: BRUTE)

[08:12:30] bQR-a2UN ATTACK: Pacbat/(Alexander Smith) attacked Hivefleetchicken/(Ssizhs Zusoa) with crowbar (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYE: BRUTE)

[08:12:31] bQR-a2UN ATTACK: Pacbat/(Alexander Smith) attacked Hivefleetchicken/(Ssizhs Zusoa) with crowbar (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYE: BRUTE)

[08:12:33] bQR-a2UN ATTACK: Captain (hivefleetchicken) Used the flash to flash Alexander Smith (pacbat)

[08:12:36] bQR-a2UN ATTACK: Hivefleetchicken/(Ssizhs Zusoa) attacked Pacbat/(Alexander Smith) with steel ritual knife (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYE: BRUTE)

 

I find this entire progression of events hilarious, in terms of this snippet of logs here.

Yeah, the case against hive is really flimsy at best.

[Faris]

To be honest, while not really my playstyle, Hive seems to be in the right for all these incidents, though maybe a bit rushed for the paramedic but I can understand why he did what he did from his perspective. Practically almost everyone in medical challenged him one way or another, some even with weapons, maybe not a firearm but their weapons nonetheless.

I was also originally skeptical over the whole gimmick too and was not pleased, but after reviewing logs, testimonies and even a video out of Hives perspective. It seems to have evolved to him doing things a long not really out of choice. Every other loyalist or someone that he helped or declared themselves a friend to Hive has in one way or another betrayed him, usually with lethal intent as well. That's not to say he didn't try to contact anyone either, no, intact he tried to build something the loyalists could work on together from the start, instead everyone seemed to have done their own thing.

There's simply far too many examples of Hive going around, talking,

Interactions and while yes it was quite a murderous round, I cannot simply place any form of fault on him, infact, it's very possible I'm going to contact/note down people that I've seen simply go Rambo without proper justification here. As it stands I'm clearing Hive of any wrong doing unless more evidence or new things come to light.

I'm going to outline a few things for everyone too.

1) Loyalist and Revs are generally team based antagonistic modes, while not as forced as cult, the same side should at least be cordial and establish a setting. Things can happen as the round progresses to sour relations that's fine, I'm just talking initially. In the case no one is cooperating and are playing it more like a traitor round, ahelp it.

2) self preservation rule was violated heavily here, attacking someone with your bare fists instead of attempting to preserve your life when escape vantages were there, does not really cross me as an okay thing. Again, this should've been ahelped when witnessed.

3) OOC/LOOC aggression and insults between players is really not allowed, I'm assuming staff were too busy to notice/ intervene but this is also something you should ahelp instead of returning.

The short version of it, is Hive is in the clear with this complaint. When permitted, any form of murder committed by him had some form

of dialogue or action to prelude it. With the exception of the medical thing really where a mob tried to lynch him, so he quickly dispatched the threats. He's in the clear in this complaint.

[hivefleetchicken]

Cheers, and no hard feelings to any of these guys. They wanted to do the right thing the whole way through, and I am somewhat certain even I would try to challenge a guy like the one I played, were I playing a certain bold sec Unathi. I apologize for letting the mask gimmick dictate the amount of roleplay I could do nonetheless, perhaps I could find a way to use /me's to convey more without looking like a gmod RPer.

[Faris]

Locking and archiving. My previous post illustrates everything.