Itanimulli

People seem to turn off antag pref an awful lot these days. Hmm. I wonder why. Regardless, sure, get rid of it. Another mode lost. While I could probably prattle on about "What if you just let the ling make more lings" or "hey what if the general gameplay loop wasn't literally to just murder everyone" I'm sure no one will bother to try coding such things that require effort or work and I'm certainly not capable of doing it myself. I sincerely hope something pops up that gives people a worthwhile reason to play antags again. Maybe even they'll start liking non-cannon events! C'est la vie! +1

And yet there are literally rp restrictions, the most important kind, that keep people from doing dumb stuff with them: The LAWS. We have laws that specifically tell people how they are supposed to act. But rather than hold people to those standards like we'd been doing for years, they just get neutered, and in the case of one of your PRs, there is a silent moment in which a module almost gets deleted without much in the way of reprise. There are so many things that can be done with Borgs that are simply being slept on for the sake of making them into unfun pieces of trash. The entire point of Borgs is that they are incredibly valuable tools that assist the crew, and put that assistance above their own significance. With modules like secborgs there was at least a pattern of behavior that couldn't really be curbed without a rework/removal, but as it stands what's going on now doesn't seem right in the slightest.

It still has cleaning tools, it just wouldn't instaclean a tile by existing. I really don't want it to go away but people are already pushing PRs for that.

There is an impending change that straight up removes the janiborg. I do wonder if there is some alternative to this? Perhaps the solution that turns the auto-clean into a module that requires pushing/pulling to operate?

this would probably be better, then, yeah. it makes a lot more sense than "autoroomba"

I think that went over your head. Being stationary as a janiborg and requiring outside help to preform basic funxtions is no bueno.

Since I have to reword it, apparently taken the wrong way; If someone were to go about playing a round this way, they would probably be banned. Plain and simple. Self antagging and powergaming is bad. It's literally in the rules.

This is also...abhorrent. Do you understand how dogwater it would be to play as *a literal, actual vaccum*?

It's possible to make some modules faster than others? Edit: Gah, leave my research borg alone! Double edit: change 2 is spicy, I like that

Hopefully, once a few things get fixed, I can return to my regularly scheduled "good borg rp" and perhaps get a view on what it is that needs limiting. As it stands, if things are as they were when I took a break [rest in piece secborgs, we don't miss the stunflash rp], I don't really think much needs to be done aside from the usual...you know...rule enforcement. I do recommend keeping maintenance access. The borgs are, by definition maintainers. It makes no sense for them to lose that. Losing "all access" is a bit of a different issue, I suppose. I don't really see any downsides...but I also don't see any upsides? Edit: I'm also not understanding this whole "no personality" thing going on. Kinda ridiculous. You can have PLENTY of fun little nuances and responses to situations that both coincide with rules and do not break anything within lore. There is literally nothing stopping you from being passive-aggressive, enthusiastic, lethargic, etc etc. I'm going to chalk up the whole 'no personality' thing to a player issue, and not one that stationbounds have 'overall.' Getting rid of the pre-borg personality is a no brainer, that comes with the territory; but that by no means dampens someone's ability to play a machine running biological hardware unless that person is an incompetent writer.

Devil's advocate; the more little things a player can do, the better it makes the grand picture. Improved rats mean an objectively improved game, even if other sectors of the game are not directly effected by said improvements. Anyways, so long as I can stuff a bunch of them in a bag to facilitate my own rp, I don't care if they are controlled by a person or not. They've gotten people banned before and don't really add much to a round other than someone dying and then being salty in looc that the vermin they were playing was suddenly and spontaneously anhilated by the nearest zhan.

I see abaolutely zero reason for cargoborg. Just give the ideas you wanted to give to that, to clerical. Bam, clercial is viable.