the_furry

So one min in told this is a super secret high qualifying research station. The next im told its the local community college level of research aith rentacops. Which is it. Also if the aliens are as distrusted/retarded as you suggest (cant even figure out a ball point pen) then there would literally be no aliens on this station. Even the two lore masters here have taj that are in head positions

You think openly calling people nasty racial epithets is an unrealistic portrayal of racism in a setting where the specified race is, in fact, not all that well-accepted and is officially discriminated against in terms of job possibilities? While I can understand finding it obnoxious, its not unrealistic at all. If this was a job for rednecks bar and grill i would understand. But were talking about an advance research station where tight security is maintained and qualifications to even step foot on the station is pretty high. Generally , no you dont see open and beligerant racism in a place like that

You think openly calling people nasty racial epithets is an unrealistic portrayal of racism in a setting where the specified race is, in fact, not all that well-accepted and is officially discriminated against in terms of job possibilities? While I can understand finding it obnoxious, its not unrealistic at all. If this was a job for rednecks bar and grill i would understand. But were talking about an advance research station where tight security is maintained and qualifications to even step foot on the station is pretty high. Generally , no you dont see open and beligerant racism in a place like that

I’m sorry…are you asking me how starting a first complaint could be used as a reference p7oint for later complaints? I mean…you have to start somewhere, right? At some point someone has to put in a first complaint before other complaints can use it as a reference point. That’s what it means to establish a reference point. Or are you asking me why I didn’t comment on the plural/off-putting nature that a number of people reported? That’s simple, I did not experience it myself. I didn’t think the administration would want me doing the “he said she said” drama by saying what I’ve heard he’s done from other people. Instead I opted to report only on direct instances of my experiences. I was leaving it to the other players that also have complaints to comment on their own experience. Unless you would prefer that I list things I’ve only heard in hearsay, I can do that too but generally administration doesn’t like it. Making a complaint about something you wouldn't normally consider complaint worthy, for the purpose of establishing for the record that said incident happened, is a rather aggressive stance to take. It's less of trying to point out an issue, and trying to have it rectified, then pointing something out because you assume that when they make a mistake in the future that your previously minor point can come back to bite them. It's an action done with the assumption that someone won't improve or better themselves. I can't claim to be entirely immune to doubting the ability of others to self-improve, but giving the benefit of the doubt is kinda an essential part of not being a dick yourself. I mean, you had an incident in which you felt that your enjoyment of the game was being compromised by someone else's actions. I think we've all been in places like that, on both sides of the situation. But I don't think anyone here actually wants to make anyone else's round unenjoyable. It's a game, and ultimately, we're all here because we do this for fun. Perhaps it might have been more reasonable to just talk to Chaznoodles, either in LOOC, or after the round, about how you felt their actions? As i said i do see how this could have been handled in other ways. I could have submitted an ic report, i could also have just talked about it looc. There was alot of factors, some personal others not, that went into me submitting the ooc complaint. Reflecting on it i do see how it was rather aggressive to escalate to a complaint so quickly and chaz does deserve an apology for that. I do regret how this esscilated so badly and my agressivly start did not help remedy the problem at hand. So for that i do apologize chaz.

I’m sorry…are you asking me how starting a first complaint could be used as a reference p7oint for later complaints? I mean…you have to start somewhere, right? At some point someone has to put in a first complaint before other complaints can use it as a reference point. That’s what it means to establish a reference point. Or are you asking me why I didn’t comment on the plural/off-putting nature that a number of people reported? That’s simple, I did not experience it myself. I didn’t think the administration would want me doing the “he said she said” drama by saying what I’ve heard he’s done from other people. Instead I opted to report only on direct instances of my experiences. I was leaving it to the other players that also have complaints to comment on their own experience. Unless you would prefer that I list things I’ve only heard in hearsay, I can do that too but generally administration doesn’t like it. Making a complaint about something you wouldn't normally consider complaint worthy, for the purpose of establishing for the record that said incident happened, is a rather aggressive stance to take. It's less of trying to point out an issue, and trying to have it rectified, then pointing something out because you assume that when they make a mistake in the future that your previously minor point can come back to bite them. It's an action done with the assumption that someone won't improve or better themselves. I can't claim to be entirely immune to doubting the ability of others to self-improve, but giving the benefit of the doubt is kinda an essential part of not being a dick yourself. I mean, you had an incident in which you felt that your enjoyment of the game was being compromised by someone else's actions. I think we've all been in places like that, on both sides of the situation. But I don't think anyone here actually wants to make anyone else's round unenjoyable. It's a game, and ultimately, we're all here because we do this for fun. Perhaps it might have been more reasonable to just talk to Chaznoodles, either in LOOC, or after the round, about how you felt their actions? As i said i do see how this could have been handled in other ways. I could have submitted an ic report, i could also have just talked about it looc. There was alot of factors, some personal others not, that went into me submitting the ooc complaint. Reflecting on it i do see how it was rather aggressive to escalate to a complaint so quickly and chaz does deserve an apology for that. I do regret how this esscilated so badly and my agressivly start did not help remedy the problem at hand. So for that i do apologize chaz.

I would lik3 to see racism done better. Corporate racism can be fun to rp but its very different from the racism i see on aroura. All ive ever seen is just blatant hate racism of people calling cats every name in the book and being down right berligerant which is wholly unrealistic in a research station. If you wana complain about tajs escalating to claws can we also point out how unrealistic it is to even have to deal with such blatant racism?

I would lik3 to see racism done better. Corporate racism can be fun to rp but its very different from the racism i see on aroura. All ive ever seen is just blatant hate racism of people calling cats every name in the book and being down right berligerant which is wholly unrealistic in a research station. If you wana complain about tajs escalating to claws can we also point out how unrealistic it is to even have to deal with such blatant racism?

If his pertinent question was about genetics I chose to ignore it because it’s pretty irrelevant to this discussion. I never said genetics is essential to my rp, nor did I say a head not signing my paper kills me rp. I address the most pressing concern which was the misinterpretation of my text. There is nothing in his question that refers to ooc thought in writing that complaint. Are you sure that’s not a question that /you/ want to ask? If it is, the answer is yes. I put immense thought in most of my text especially complaints.

If his pertinent question was about genetics I chose to ignore it because it’s pretty irrelevant to this discussion. I never said genetics is essential to my rp, nor did I say a head not signing my paper kills me rp. I address the most pressing concern which was the misinterpretation of my text. There is nothing in his question that refers to ooc thought in writing that complaint. Are you sure that’s not a question that /you/ want to ask? If it is, the answer is yes. I put immense thought in most of my text especially complaints.

I’m sorry…are you asking me how starting a first complaint could be used as a reference point for later complaints? I mean…you have to start somewhere, right? At some point someone has to put in a first complaint before other complaints can use it as a reference point. That’s what it means to establish a reference point. Or are you asking me why I didn’t comment on the plural/off-putting nature that a number of people reported? That’s simple, I did not experience it myself. I didn’t think the administration would want me doing the “he said she said” drama by saying what I’ve heard he’s done from other people. Instead I opted to report only on direct instances of my experiences. I was leaving it to the other players that also have complaints to comment on their own experience. Unless you would prefer that I list things I’ve only heard in hearsay, I can do that too but generally administration doesn’t like it.

I’m sorry…are you asking me how starting a first complaint could be used as a reference point for later complaints? I mean…you have to start somewhere, right? At some point someone has to put in a first complaint before other complaints can use it as a reference point. That’s what it means to establish a reference point. Or are you asking me why I didn’t comment on the plural/off-putting nature that a number of people reported? That’s simple, I did not experience it myself. I didn’t think the administration would want me doing the “he said she said” drama by saying what I’ve heard he’s done from other people. Instead I opted to report only on direct instances of my experiences. I was leaving it to the other players that also have complaints to comment on their own experience. Unless you would prefer that I list things I’ve only heard in hearsay, I can do that too but generally administration doesn’t like it.

So for the most part I am not concerned about this. I feel like am one of the more reasonable taj on the station. But one statment i do want cleared up. When you say you need evidence. Are you asking for evidence of actually being a bad taj. Or are you saying you need evidence that a taj is sleeping around. If its the latter i can tell you right now safi has multiple partners canonly. I was jot aware that it grounds for whitelist revoke (atleast as i understand what you said). Is it impossible for a taj to sleep around? For a race who have very human traits (especially in sexuality) i find that hard to believe. As for the clawing i ask the same. Now i dont claw people the moment they call me a cat. What i am concerned about is if the person says "fuck off you fucking cat flea bag. You dont deserve to be here you should go die the way the rest of your cat kind should" i think its reasonable if i claw them(normall i report to ia but hate like that doesnt get ignored by any reasonable person). I dont feel like having to defend my reasoning why someone wouldn't move to agression when dealing with hate like that. So please elaborate on those two topics.

So for the most part I am not concerned about this. I feel like am one of the more reasonable taj on the station. But one statment i do want cleared up. When you say you need evidence. Are you asking for evidence of actually being a bad taj. Or are you saying you need evidence that a taj is sleeping around. If its the latter i can tell you right now safi has multiple partners canonly. I was jot aware that it grounds for whitelist revoke (atleast as i understand what you said). Is it impossible for a taj to sleep around? For a race who have very human traits (especially in sexuality) i find that hard to believe. As for the clawing i ask the same. Now i dont claw people the moment they call me a cat. What i am concerned about is if the person says "fuck off you fucking cat flea bag. You dont deserve to be here you should go die the way the rest of your cat kind should" i think its reasonable if i claw them(normall i report to ia but hate like that doesnt get ignored by any reasonable person). I dont feel like having to defend my reasoning why someone wouldn't move to agression when dealing with hate like that. So please elaborate on those two topics.

I still fail to understand how your roleplay was "killed" because a head refused to sign a waiver for you to bring genetic powers out of the lab. What exactly makes it essential for your character to walk around with telekinesis and x-ray vision every round? as i said, the complaint at chaz was meant to be minor because others had voiced their malcontent as well. What I was referring to when I said I complain about major problems was my lengthy complaint against delta and other security officers treatment of genetics.

I still fail to understand how your roleplay was "killed" because a head refused to sign a waiver for you to bring genetic powers out of the lab. What exactly makes it essential for your character to walk around with telekinesis and x-ray vision every round? as i said, the complaint at chaz was meant to be minor because others had voiced their malcontent as well. What I was referring to when I said I complain about major problems was my lengthy complaint against delta and other security officers treatment of genetics.

Tenenza I have to say thank you for asking the right questions. When I submitted the complaint about chaz I did not want nor intend for it to become the explosive argument that it did. I was put-off by the interaction I had with his character. When I spoke with several friends they told me they had similar interactions however none of them submitted a player complaint. I was not calling for a ban or revoking a whitelist or anything. I didn’t think this was a major game breaking issue but I did want it pointed out and voiced that it is an issue. I wanted to get it down on paper that chaz had created some unpleasant situations by using his whitelist privilege. In this case I did think it was a rather minor violation but still a violation. I wanted to voice it so that if this was not handled ICly and it continued in the future then we would have my complaint as reference material. That was my intention and reasoning for submitting the complaint. When jakpak explained that the situation was able to be resolved ICly (to my surprise) I pretty much dropped the issue. Since delta already responded to your question for him I’ll put in my thoughts to what he thinks. I really like how you link something from almost 12 months ago when I was a brand new player to ss13 and had no idea what custom items where all about. I know in the months that I’ve played this I’ve grown. Anyways, So the majority of my gameplay I figure out how to deal with obstacles in game and overcome them myself. Other than dealing with meta-hate from security over genetics I pretty much always handle things ICly. In fact other than genetics I rarely initiate a bwoink myself, normally it’s in response to an admin because another player that is upset by the way things were handled in IC. I acknowledge that the issue with chaz could have been handled in an IC way. I honestly am not used to being able to depend on DO’s. For a longtime they have been ineffective or irrelevant. If the way they handled chaz is from their recent reformation then I welcome it. I am truly sorry that I did not depend on them first. I had my reasons, but the way they handled this case shows me that those reasons are no longer applicable. So this is twofold and I addressed some of it already. I do not complain at every opportunity. I complain when there is a major problem that is killing roleplay. If we want to generalize my complaint it revolves around how despicable security roleplay can be (a complaint that many people share). Let me ask, What do you do when there is a problem delta? You complain about it to fix it. Furthmore, my complaining about a problem seems to be working. Since I started this I’ve had amazing roleplay with security staff (even involving genetics). So, I’ve only accused a select few of meta-grudging (only one of which went to a formal complaint) and I had pretty valid reasoning at the time to make that accusation. Anyone else I’ve accused of such I resolved with them in privately. I didn’t just avoid them or hate them back, I took skulls advise and seeked them out to resolve any feelings of dislike between us. You, are the only one I’ve made a formal complaint about. Finally and most importantly. I will not apologize to chaz because I do believe he acted wrongly (be it minor) and I never accused him of metagrudging. Now I do think there is a problem with how genetics is treated by security staff. And I do think that until recently you participated in that treatment. I had said this in the complaint against you but I will gladly say it again; I acknowledge that you were not metagrudgeing. What I did not say (and perhaps should have) is that I am sorry I accused you of metagrudgeing. I had my reasons to believe you were (at the time). But when we explored it, it became apparent that I was wrong to accuse you. I pride myself on my accuracy to assess a situation and here I made a mistake and falsely accused you of metagrudgeing. That is something I regret, and I’m sorry for the problems it’s caused. Furthermore, although you did participate in the distain for genetics, I should not have directed the entirety of the cause at you. Many other officers mistreated roleplay in worse ways then what you did. That is another regret that I have, I am sorry I directed the entirety of the problem at you as if you where the sole cause of it. I recognize you had your part, but to direct it all at you was unfair.

Tenenza I have to say thank you for asking the right questions. When I submitted the complaint about chaz I did not want nor intend for it to become the explosive argument that it did. I was put-off by the interaction I had with his character. When I spoke with several friends they told me they had similar interactions however none of them submitted a player complaint. I was not calling for a ban or revoking a whitelist or anything. I didn’t think this was a major game breaking issue but I did want it pointed out and voiced that it is an issue. I wanted to get it down on paper that chaz had created some unpleasant situations by using his whitelist privilege. In this case I did think it was a rather minor violation but still a violation. I wanted to voice it so that if this was not handled ICly and it continued in the future then we would have my complaint as reference material. That was my intention and reasoning for submitting the complaint. When jakpak explained that the situation was able to be resolved ICly (to my surprise) I pretty much dropped the issue. Since delta already responded to your question for him I’ll put in my thoughts to what he thinks. I really like how you link something from almost 12 months ago when I was a brand new player to ss13 and had no idea what custom items where all about. I know in the months that I’ve played this I’ve grown. Anyways, So the majority of my gameplay I figure out how to deal with obstacles in game and overcome them myself. Other than dealing with meta-hate from security over genetics I pretty much always handle things ICly. In fact other than genetics I rarely initiate a bwoink myself, normally it’s in response to an admin because another player that is upset by the way things were handled in IC. I acknowledge that the issue with chaz could have been handled in an IC way. I honestly am not used to being able to depend on DO’s. For a longtime they have been ineffective or irrelevant. If the way they handled chaz is from their recent reformation then I welcome it. I am truly sorry that I did not depend on them first. I had my reasons, but the way they handled this case shows me that those reasons are no longer applicable. So this is twofold and I addressed some of it already. I do not complain at every opportunity. I complain when there is a major problem that is killing roleplay. If we want to generalize my complaint it revolves around how despicable security roleplay can be (a complaint that many people share). Let me ask, What do you do when there is a problem delta? You complain about it to fix it. Furthmore, my complaining about a problem seems to be working. Since I started this I’ve had amazing roleplay with security staff (even involving genetics). So, I’ve only accused a select few of meta-grudging (only one of which went to a formal complaint) and I had pretty valid reasoning at the time to make that accusation. Anyone else I’ve accused of such I resolved with them in privately. I didn’t just avoid them or hate them back, I took skulls advise and seeked them out to resolve any feelings of dislike between us. You, are the only one I’ve made a formal complaint about. Finally and most importantly. I will not apologize to chaz because I do believe he acted wrongly (be it minor) and I never accused him of metagrudging. Now I do think there is a problem with how genetics is treated by security staff. And I do think that until recently you participated in that treatment. I had said this in the complaint against you but I will gladly say it again; I acknowledge that you were not metagrudgeing. What I did not say (and perhaps should have) is that I am sorry I accused you of metagrudgeing. I had my reasons to believe you were (at the time). But when we explored it, it became apparent that I was wrong to accuse you. I pride myself on my accuracy to assess a situation and here I made a mistake and falsely accused you of metagrudgeing. That is something I regret, and I’m sorry for the problems it’s caused. Furthermore, although you did participate in the distain for genetics, I should not have directed the entirety of the cause at you. Many other officers mistreated roleplay in worse ways then what you did. That is another regret that I have, I am sorry I directed the entirety of the problem at you as if you where the sole cause of it. I recognize you had your part, but to direct it all at you was unfair.

So this is stemming back to my complaint against delta and the general treatment of genetics. Delta, your complaining that I made a complaint over having to spend almost every single round in the brig because I moved a locker. I’m sorry, having to spend every round in the brig because I moved a locker is not enjoyable. It’s not how the game was meant to be played and it makes for extremely poor story writing. You say I should “enjoy the game how it was meant to be played” and “let the story tell itself” can you explain to me how being in the brig every time you move a locker with genetics is how the game was mean to be played? Or how it makes for a grand story that I get to sit every round in one tiny box because security flipped out over genetics? No, my crusade against the treatment of genetics is valid. you had an awful taste in your mouth? I had a terrible taste every time I was harm batoned by some security member for walking out side of genetics. I’m not complaining that I didn’t get my way every single time or mixing ooc issues with ic issues. I’m complaining that if I want to touch genetics then I get to be in a tiny box the rest of the game, which I don’t think that’s the way a roleplay game was meant to be played. So yes, I am going to complain about it because it’s a valid ooc thing to complain about. I let up about you metagrudging, i let up the ic ooc paranoia remnate from the treatment of travis davis. The only thing I still have problems with is when security abuses its power and I'm even letting up on that because it's being fixed. You are literally saying I'm a toxic player because i complained that i am tired of being stuck in a tiny box for wanting to roleplay and explore a specific job in a roleplaying game. Now on to what sparked this complaint. Let me be clear with this, I never once said chaz is metagrudging. In fact I was extremely hesitant of even write the complaint at all. I was encouraged by four other players (one a mod) to go ahead and post the chaz complaint. I was going to let chaz be handled ICly over the issues that happened. But after explaining what happened to four friends every one of them told me to submit this complaint because they had a bad experience with chaz too and wanted the complaint submitted. Hell over half of what you were going to reply to (in that complaint) wasn’t even in response to my comments. In the end, I even backed off because I was satisfied that the DO’s handled it. I acknowledge that an IC report might have handled this appropriately but the reason I didn’t submit one is because; one until very recently the DO’s have been very ineffective; and two I was told by four others to submit this as an ooc complaint. I am not on some giant crusade against chaz or anyone else right now. I’ve been allowed to moderately do genetics and when I’m arrested reasonably I happily go along with it. Chazs complaint only exists because the lack of confidence in DO’s and I was told to submit one by a number of people.

So this is stemming back to my complaint against delta and the general treatment of genetics. Delta, your complaining that I made a complaint over having to spend almost every single round in the brig because I moved a locker. I’m sorry, having to spend every round in the brig because I moved a locker is not enjoyable. It’s not how the game was meant to be played and it makes for extremely poor story writing. You say I should “enjoy the game how it was meant to be played” and “let the story tell itself” can you explain to me how being in the brig every time you move a locker with genetics is how the game was mean to be played? Or how it makes for a grand story that I get to sit every round in one tiny box because security flipped out over genetics? No, my crusade against the treatment of genetics is valid. you had an awful taste in your mouth? I had a terrible taste every time I was harm batoned by some security member for walking out side of genetics. I’m not complaining that I didn’t get my way every single time or mixing ooc issues with ic issues. I’m complaining that if I want to touch genetics then I get to be in a tiny box the rest of the game, which I don’t think that’s the way a roleplay game was meant to be played. So yes, I am going to complain about it because it’s a valid ooc thing to complain about. I let up about you metagrudging, i let up the ic ooc paranoia remnate from the treatment of travis davis. The only thing I still have problems with is when security abuses its power and I'm even letting up on that because it's being fixed. You are literally saying I'm a toxic player because i complained that i am tired of being stuck in a tiny box for wanting to roleplay and explore a specific job in a roleplaying game. Now on to what sparked this complaint. Let me be clear with this, I never once said chaz is metagrudging. In fact I was extremely hesitant of even write the complaint at all. I was encouraged by four other players (one a mod) to go ahead and post the chaz complaint. I was going to let chaz be handled ICly over the issues that happened. But after explaining what happened to four friends every one of them told me to submit this complaint because they had a bad experience with chaz too and wanted the complaint submitted. Hell over half of what you were going to reply to (in that complaint) wasn’t even in response to my comments. In the end, I even backed off because I was satisfied that the DO’s handled it. I acknowledge that an IC report might have handled this appropriately but the reason I didn’t submit one is because; one until very recently the DO’s have been very ineffective; and two I was told by four others to submit this as an ooc complaint. I am not on some giant crusade against chaz or anyone else right now. I’ve been allowed to moderately do genetics and when I’m arrested reasonably I happily go along with it. Chazs complaint only exists because the lack of confidence in DO’s and I was told to submit one by a number of people.

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Furry with what you said there you broke the forum and complaint rules. http://puu.sh/kaEZJ/f00e4492ac.png Chaz is currently banned from the forums so they are unable to defend themself right here at this moment, so everyone stop and wait for administration staff to say something. wow lets get that out of the way real quick, it wasnt till 'nasir' heard about it (how i've no idea) that anything happend. how bout we not put words in my mouth. my point was at the time /i/ had no other options or avanues to rp. nasir being a more popular and liked charater is more likely to be listened to and when he started making his complaint icly thats what sparked the investigation (from what i understand) 8edit* i was also advised to make a complaint sooner rather than later. or atleast thats what was implied.

Furry with what you said there you broke the forum and complaint rules. http://puu.sh/kaEZJ/f00e4492ac.png Chaz is currently banned from the forums so they are unable to defend themself right here at this moment, so everyone stop and wait for administration staff to say something. wow lets get that out of the way real quick, it wasnt till 'nasir' heard about it (how i've no idea) that anything happend. how bout we not put words in my mouth. my point was at the time /i/ had no other options or avanues to rp. nasir being a more popular and liked charater is more likely to be listened to and when he started making his complaint icly thats what sparked the investigation (from what i understand) 8edit* i was also advised to make a complaint sooner rather than later. or atleast thats what was implied.

*edit* as I said, at the time I had no other options, kate told me she wasn't gona investigate and i just had to wait till the shift was over. and we had no IA. so that left me wtih empty bar rp, tiny box rp, or cryo. it wasn't till i was complaining and nasir heard about it did shit start happening.

*edit* as I said, at the time I had no other options, kate told me she wasn't gona investigate and i just had to wait till the shift was over. and we had no IA. so that left me wtih empty bar rp, tiny box rp, or cryo. it wasn't till i was complaining and nasir heard about it did shit start happening.