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Shh, I'm working on that suggestion. so i do like the idea of some people coming in with powers however i think this should be a side thing. I mean if only one person has powers and they die/cryo/dont want to be in research thats gona leave the genitists with nothing to do. And lets face it its gona be rare for someone to want to be stuck in the genitcis lab so someone else can do their job. If this is the only way to research powers its gonna end up being the genitists will have nothing to do way more often then not. So i think its a cool idea and a great way to develop powers faster if the stars align, but it should not be the core of genetics.

Eh im against this. Alot of fun in genetics is exploring the powers. I dont like that we're gifting powers to the same people that regularly arrest geneticist for walking out of their lab. I think this can be done icly. Just last night i got the captains permission to gift an officer with powers to test genetic uses in security. If you wana explore that then rp with the genitists and get the powers. Dont just make it a whole new job

Eh im against this. Alot of fun in genetics is exploring the powers. I dont like that we're gifting powers to the same people that regularly arrest geneticist for walking out of their lab. I think this can be done icly. Just last night i got the captains permission to gift an officer with powers to test genetic uses in security. If you wana explore that then rp with the genitists and get the powers. Dont just make it a whole new job

So you're in favor of removing possible conflict, due to gender roles and gender identities? There isn't the off-chance, somebody has ever stepped out of those boundaries, and due to such, there is no possibility for my character to have that hair. If they were to grow it out and style it on their own, they'd force themselves to refrain from that, due to gender roles. Sue pls. I can see sues argument for unathi. But the tajara already have pretty blured lines when it comes to gender sex and sexuality. Hair style might be diviant but i dont see a society that is ok with a gay transgendered taj flipping out over hair style

Every day that this takes is another day alberky is denied an isra to shoot

oh yeah forgot to reply to this, yeah this is basically done with. it's actually really refreshing to be able to resolve these kind of issues with out admin involvement. delta i appreciate you being open enough to discuss the issue and finding some kind of resolution

Because the infamous Nia Snyder was given TK, and it wasn't just Safiya that round using it. Actually you totally just made scopes point. I honestly have no idea who Nia Snyder is or what makes her infamous. I rarely do anything with security and until that round I had no interactions with her. there is no way I could have known she would abuse the powers which is exactly why I shouldn’t be held responsible, especially if I’ve asked another head of staff if Nia is ok to give powers too.

so scopes I very much agree with your assessment of the entire situation. I don’t think delta was metagrudging against me but maybe against genetics as a whole. I do think that kind of mentality is still a problem because it means anyone that gets in genetics is going to have an unfun time because of the hate. I am hesitant but I do believe delta is working to correct how he treats the specific individuals in genetics. After submitting this complaint we had a situation that perfectly showed what I had been talking about. Someone was calling for the arrest of every single geneticist ever, and when I showed vira (played by delta) that I had permission from the RD he took what I thought the right action was and stopped the actual people messing with genetics. He did tell me to remove my powers too; which I thought was unfair but I think it was more because it was the end of the round and the entire thing escalated far more than it ever should have. The situation could have been fixed far sooner if someone just took a minute to ask/listen to safi to see if she had permission in the first place rather than explode with calling for perma but that is hardly detlas fault. I would like to find further solutions (short of just removing genetics) so that others stop calling for the immediate arrest and perma brig because a geneticist moved a locker, this kind of mentality is killing it for everyone that wants to play genetics. That round I didn’t even use the powers but because I was associated with genetics I was guilty and thus had to stop doing the whole thing. I also had to stop cloneing people because every five mins someone was trying to arrest me. This part isn’t exactly focused on delta (he used to do this, it remains to be seen if he still will), but I want to know scopes where can I have this conversation. It’s an important conversation because it not only kills the round for geneticist that are hardly causing problems, but it stops cloning which kicks anyone dead out of the round, and it causes massive headaches to security (as shown in last night’s round, delta can vouch for that). The explosive responses geneticists get for doing something as simple as moving a book or locker once or twice is the problem here. Delta was but one person responsible for this kind of mentality.

I know I figured XD. I still can’t tell if you realized it was how badly everyone was overreacting to this, or if your lumping safi in being a shitter to. I really loved this round as a prime example of how badly the over action and treatment of genetics is. What I did in that round, I could not possibly go about it with any more verification or approval then what I had. I did literally everything by the book and didn’t break one rule. Short of not having the power at all there is nothing I could have done to make sure I was following the rules any more so, as I was already following them to the letter. But still…this happened…

I know, i felt so vindicated when delta said that in looc, im not mad at him in anyway and infact once he realized what happend i like how he treated it. I support the just idea of arrest the one fucking around, let the one thats not do their thing. I feel like safi was only told to remove hers to because it was eor and this whole thing exploded way more than ever needed to. *edit* not mad at him in anyway but not agreeing with his suggestion eather

“Telekinesis will never ever be useful to non-antag geneticists, it only serves to be the most irritating genetic power ever.” so let me just go down the list. as non antag geneticist I’ve: performed sex changes grown protohumans for harvesting and transplant to remove mechanical organs provided countless laughs with fur color turned the station into hobbits vill assisted in tracking down ninjas and other antags assisted in body reconstruction used several of the powers myself to assist in various department tasks. whats that? Non-antag geneticists aren’t useful? What? I am amazed how badly people flip out over TK. Yes I know it can be annoying when used in excess but when moving one locker once and your calling for perma brig (which is exactly what happened just the previous round) that’s too much. There are far worse things that are a daily on this server than TK. All last round showed is how people over react so badly that it breaks the game from there over reacting. I had to stop cloning people because someone was calling for my arrest over and over because a book was moved once (I wasn’t even using the damn powers). Their massive overload of metacomplaints is what started breaking down that round, not a book being moved once (it only escalated more because the backlash was so bad). You are trying to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Instead how bout we teach people to chill the fuck out. Simply arrest the one person that is messing around (not in an explosive reaction way but a simple arrest, the way you would any hooligan) and make them remove the power then hold them for hooliganism/contraband. That would have solved what happened in seconds. But no instead an arrest was called for all of genetics (even the ones just sitting in the lab talking) and everyone’s going to be mad about that. *i suggest this with the mind that safi rarly actaully fucks around with tk*

Wow, I appreciate the apology. I really hope my words are getting through. I understand whenever there’s a complaint you need to investigate the conflict, and if I am ever actually fucking around I fully expect an arrest. But more often than not I am not doing anything and it’s someone else with powers or some other reason I’m acting the way I am. If you can give me the benefit of the doubt and investigate fairly I do believe you will see a lot of the times the issue was not caused by me, when it is you won’t even have to cuff me just tell me to report to the brig (I make it a point not to resist arrest).

So you decided the best decision was to hoard several security items and not even bother to remind anyone that you were going to give them back? Why on earth would a geneticist have trouble with inventory space? You can’t fathom why a genetics might have a full inventory, or why I was so busy that I didn’t have time to report security items to security? Let me take two more seconds and answer that question for you, half of medical was dead/arrested for the rev rp. I think I was literally the only one treating people in medical towards the end of it. I was loaded up on medical supplies for toxins infections and brute damage. /and/ since I was the only one in medical I was too busy to turn over equipment the moment I found it. hell I sent you a few messages and you ignored them because you were to busy dealing with the revolution. there, easily answered, will you believe it i doubt it; because you just 'know' i always am fucking around. Let me ask this, why the hell do I have to defend every single action I do to the letter with you. Why does bullshit like this always end up in an arrest when theres completely reasonable explanations, half of which I shouldn’t even have to provide. You just can’t fathom that I’m not up to bullshit, and because of that you will arrest me on anyone else’s word or if you just don’t have time to hear me out(which is almost every time). even during this conversation you can’t take a moment to understand that I was acting properly and your looking for reasons why I was fucking around because that’s all you believe I do. I gave you a challenge for a reason, name a time that I actually fucked around. Because if you can’t this assumption that I always do is just bullshit and it’s caused so many unfair arrests and threats that I am tired of dealing with it.

I was the detective that round. You didn't take the headset from me. I saw you taking the headset of an officer who had was recovering from a hallucination episode and was on the ground, or SSD. My character had stopped hallucinating when he saw you do this. He wasn't in the middle of shooting the Medbay like he was a few minutes ago. You claim the officer was dead and you were just saving their equipment to return to sec, and on the off-chance that you really believed they were dead, not only did you take their headset, but you replaced it with an engineering one. To me and my character, that just seemed like you were fucking around. And that was before you were seen taking another security headset from someone else. To avoid this in the future, don't wear other department's headsets if you're going to return them. Let me take two seconds and justify what i did. You and the officer where throwing a hallucination fit. Safi came in and hit you both with a tranquilizer to hush you up. At which point i saw the radio chatter start and the last thing i needed was a crazed officer screaming safi shot them over coms. So yes for that reason i took the headset. About the only fuckery i did was toss an engineering headset at them(hardly arrest worthy) as i had no space for things at that point. This is completely reasonable to do and i turned over the headset next chance i had. This is a perfect example as to why i am submitting this complaint. Rqther then going with what i am saying, delta (and you apparently) likes to assune i am doing the worce thing ever and will look for an excuse to arrest me. I am tired of being arrested and threatened over stupidity when I've not done anything wrong. Especially when its comeing from unfair bias because you guys just know "im always up to fuckery". When infact i am not and you guys are just metagrudgeing against me for things i didn't even do. *edit* One thing I want to say is that i don't think this metagrudgeing is done maliciously. Its based off of unfair bias that needs to be recognized. I have to submit this complaint because no matter what i say icly it's ignored and i end up in cuffs. This issue is easily resolved, take a moment to recognize im not doing anything wrong. Take a moment to recognize i dont fuck around all the time (the way delta suggests). Then maybe delta will listen to reason and be fair with me rather than assuming im doing the worce things ever and deserve an arrest.

Yes it’s entirely possible and infact likely that this was a misunderstanding. My issue is how quickly delta takes the side of the other person based on “safi is known to cause issues” when in fact all of this since the beginning has been misunderstand and misinformation. rey even points out he’s seen this happen. If this ‘misunderstanding’ was a first time issue I would be fine with it, but it’s gotten to the point that I can’t be trusted and it shows in the amount of times I get arrested/warned, because of misinformation and detla having an expectation that I am doing something wrong (which is also based on other accounts of misinformation). This is why I'm asking delta to give me an actual hard example of what i've done wrong. because I'm constantly arrested or threatened to be arrested and treated like crap when I've hardly caused an issue.

I agree with everything garnascus is saying. It’s gotten to the point the other heads are actually annoyed that I persistently ask them to sign a damn piece of paper. But the moment I don’t I know I will be arrested. That is a statement about security itself. Now delta there’s a lot I have to say to you. I can believe that you did not know kate had gone to cryo, but demanding written proof under threat of arrest is not excusable for the reasons garnascus(and I) stated. You seem to believe that I play around with genetics all the time. Let me correct you. More often than not the complaints being piled against genetics is not the cause of me but someone else who has powers. I’ve seen this happen several times now where I’ll give powers to someone else (with written permission by the RD) and that person will go around chuckle fucking with people. Then when the complaints come in people tell safi to stop messing around. You think I mess around with genetics all the time? NO, I can tell you for fear of constantly being arrested the only time I mess with anything is to bring lockers onto the shuttle. Now if someone else is causing these complaints that is not my responsibility. Hell arrest them for being outa the lab without permission. But safi has permission, she got approval by the RD, and the RD approved of the test subject. It is not safis job to screen test subjects that’s why the RD has to sign as well. That is exactly what the complaints where about this round (Nia, who was approved of by the RD was fucking with people). This has happened plenty of other times in rounds you've been on. I’ve seen rounds where I’ll be so busy cloning people I’d be in the lab all day then I’m suddenly told to stop messing with genetics or I’ll be arrested. So let me correct you on this “I tried really awfully hard to ignore it, but you do this almost every single round, and I've let you get away with it as a HoS” no, you haven’t you’ve been placing blame on me for something that is not my responsibility. So let’s break this down even more, the last time I actually fucked around with telekinesis was when I moved the shot gun from the bartenders backroom into disposals. That happened a good month ago. If you’ve gotten valid complaints since then it was not me (I believe this is a major part of the issues, I’ve been siting in my lab and will hear my name yelled by security for what someone else has done a number of times now). Now I use the word ‘valid’ for a reason. I say valid because moving a cup to splash someone with water is not a ‘valid’ reason to permabrig(or lynch) someone. Moving a damn locker unless I do it excessively is also not a valid reason. But yes I do move lockers around, toys around, cups around, have I ruined someone’s game by doing that? Now let me define excessively (because I understand repeatedly hitting people with lockers or cups can be annoying. Generally the moment I’m told to stop, I stop. That seems reasonable. However I hardly call moving lockers and putting someone in one for a brief moment as something as serious as self antaging and surly not arrest worthy, I can understand a warning. So I don’t just loot and steal off of dead or cloned people. One why is security bringing in people with guns strapped to their back and leaving them in medical? Aside from that, once I finish the cloning process I generally give all the items back to the person that was cloned. The most I’ve done in that case was ‘pretend’ to forget that I had the headset just to provide a small chuckle to the officer (I’ve never kepted ids or other important items of that nature). As for looting the dead uncloneable, yes I take their items with the intent of turning over to security when I get the chance (as any geneticist should be doing). Which is exactly what happened when you came in, I turned over the items. From what I saw the detective would not let up about having me arrested for some random ass reason (considering I didn’t grab any more security items), and finally you gave in. I do appreciate you withholding the arrest the first time, but it should not have even been considered. I really want you to give me specifics on what I have done to cause so much problems, Particularly in the last month on being on this server. You bring up what I did as travis davis, and I agree. The monkey bomb was too far, and I’m sorry for the problems it caused. I’ve been spoken to by the admins about it and corrected the issue. That was more than 6 months ago. I’ve learned to be a better player. This is why I’m asking for you to actually analyze the past month of safi game play. Be specific as possible, what has safi actually done that you constitute as “doing all of that self-antagonizing, thievery, and goofing off”. I feel like you are holding onto things that was long ago or that is not my responsibility (you brining up Travis and what nai did, points that out). If you look at what safi and I actually do, I dare say we are the best geneticist on this server. I don’t mean best at the job, I mean best at producing fun and exciting role play for the rest of the crew. You say that I have built up a reputation for self-antagonizing. If I’m self antaging tell an admin. Because as of right now I’ve only been spoken to once (months ago) about self-antaging. If this is still a thing, then I am not aware of it; which is why I am biding you to give me specifics so I know exactly what it is I did that constitutes self antaging. I also give you that challenge because I believe once you actually analyze my actions you will find that I am not doing anything wrong. You holding on to things more than six months ago or that are not my fault has put me in a constant fear of being arrested and prompted this complaint. I want to ask you about is this. “This is why I love paperwork. It either will humble me, or it will humble someone else. In addition, nobody will get in trouble for goofing off, because they have a form that says, 'I'm allowed to goof off, as long as I say it's for science.' Anyone who is reading this, do we have an understanding here?” Why aren’t you arresting anyone else other than me? I see scientists with bags of holding, I see riplys at the bar, I see engineers with fire axes, do any of them have written permission? I doubt it. It seems to me you like using paperwork as an excuse to arrest people in jobs you don’t like. More replies are coming in as I write this. So, all this being said I have had a couple of pleasant rounds with you recently and I hope to have more rounds of that nature. However I take a strong stance in that I don’t think I did anything arrest worthy. The decision you made to stick to the middle ground was perfect. I expect to be told to stop, which is why once I’m told to stop, I stop. I am more upset by the ooc comments of giving me warnings for things that were not my responsibility and pinning blame on me for genetic fuckery that was not my cause. I don’t think moving a locker once or twice on someone is arrest worthy or self-antaging. Sure definitely tell me to stop and when I’m told to stop I do just that. If you take this middle ground option more often, you will see that I will work with you. But I cannot control other people’s actions and should not be blamed for all the fuckery you seem to attribute to me. I can also tell you, I am not travis from 6 months ago, let go of the antaging events I did back then so you can see what I am doing now is not wrong. *edit* So in summary, your blaming me for things that have not been my fault and your holding on to antaging events that took place months ago has put me in a very uncomfortable position. I’m constantly arrested and unable to reason with you in game because you’ve attributed these things to me. Like I said, that middle ground is great, and if that is why you didn’t arrest me then I’ll go for it. But as it stands, I cannot believe you wouldn’t have arrested me if the round wasn’t already ending. It’s gotten to the point that I expect to be arrested for things that are not my fault because you refuse to listen to me for a moment. If you want to maintain that even if I didn’t have paper work you would have simply told me to stop, or at the most told me to return to genetics/remove my mods, I will go on faith that you’d actually do that. But I can guarantee you that I will be submitting an immediate complaint if anything else happens. (note I am not revoking this complaint, I want deltas response before I do that)

BYOND Key: xXTheFurryXx Player Byond Key: oneonethreeeight Staff involved: (This is if the complaint was ahelped and if it was handled by a staff member) Reason for complaint: metagrudgeing, don't be a dick rule Approximate Date/Time: 08/28/2015 6:40~ central Delta waits until the director is cryo before asking me if I had permission to get my powers. So if you guys don’t know every round I have to track down a director or another head and have them sign an executive permission so I can step foot outside of genetics. I do this because if I don’t security wont hesitate to perm brig me for going to get a coffee while I have genetic powers (everyone else is allowed to but only I need to have that kind of permission, how many scientists walk outside with bags of holdings?). Now on this round I had verbal permission by kate to disregard the directive(which is standard for almost everyone else). I left it with permission because she even informed security and was insistent that it would be ok. Also had verbal permission by her to test on the warden and give the warden powers. So most of the round goes fine lots of fun and what not and I see vira a few times. Approximately 4 mins before the shuttle gets here kate went to cryo. Vira only now decides to ask safi if she had written permission to be outside of the lab. Of course safi didn’t because she had verbal permission (which is all anyone else ever needs) from an active rd who literally stayed active the entire round until 4 mins before the shuttle. I saw vira plenty of times and she could have inquired then, but no it’s only now once the rd is gone and I have no way to defend myself. This was just a dick move, vira could have easily asked, way before the end of the round, kate to verify but no only after kate goes to cryo do I have to deal with this. The only reason she apparently asked now, is because I was moving a locker, not attacking anyone with it not doing anything other than moving it so I can sit in it on the shuttle. So I’m lucky I didn’t get arrested and I think the only reason I didn’t is because it was less than three mins of the round and the damn warden also had powers. So we all got on the shuttle and the warden started playing around with a locker. At this point delta warned me oocly that I need to stop fucking around with genetics (first I’ve gotten permission by the director every step of the way, second it wasn’t even me). I then explain it wasn’t me doing it and delta tells me I just need to stop with it and shouldn’t be giving powers to random people (again permission from director, and moving a locker hardly constitutes as fucking around). Sadly by this time the server restarted and crashed, which is why I don’t have logs. So it’s absolutely ridiculous that I have to do such extensive work to be allowed to walk out of the damn department with even one power when literally security ignores anyone else who has department items out of the department. That is a major criticism I have against security but delta is one of the primary perpetrators. On top of that the waiting till he knew I couldn’t verify the information with the current directive pushes this from poor security to just being a general dick and violates the don’t be a dick rule. Dealing with delta is not an unknown for me, I’ve had issues with him in the past where he is unfairly harsh against me bordering metagrudgeing. Add in the comments oocly that was way off base (considering moving a locker is hardly a problem and it wasn’t even me). like even if it was me, why is moving an item considered so detrimental to all of everyone’s enjoyment? I get it if I was moving the damn nuke or a stun baton, but I’ve been (oocly) told not to fuck around for moving a paper cup. This is a general opinion a lot of people have but delta is one of the worse and his position as hos lets him kick anyone out of the game for moving a cup. *edit late add* Im gona add this in there. It rubbed me the wrong way but I was hoping it would be just a one off but I’m suspecting metagrudging all over again. so a few rounds ago it was rp rev and several people had died. As a decent geneticist I was cloning as many as I could. Something that happens a lot is security will drop a dead body in with equipment and all. Safi will often take the security items off the body and keep them on her person till she can turn them over to security. Now it was a busy round so I didn’t exactly get a chance to drop by security often and I acuminated a hefty supply including a carbine. Another of which is a security head set that I pulled off a detective who was having a hallucination fit. When I am confronted I turn them over to vira explaining that I haven’t had time to turn them in. now somehow the detective remembers me taking the headset off (even though he was hallucinating so there is no reason to believe him) and demands my arrest. Vira sides with the hallucinating maniac that shot up medical. After I saved a good 5 people and have turned over all items vira charges me with looting and disrespecting the dead. Now my reasoning is “should I just leave the fucking carbine around so someone else who has access to the morgue can get it”? also that the detective was hallucinating a lot, and I’ve been completely cooperative. But does any of that matter? Nope I spend the shuttle in cuffs.

goood good let the filth flow. Soon all of aurora will be coated in the cat filth that is isra clan!

I've rped with victoria several times, she knows her stuff and has always been professional around me. I think she'd be a great cmo and I will enjoy her yelling at me to get off the counter.

I have two suggestions relating to this. Add a food service channel for barkeep, botanist, and chef. Also give left for zed a mutation chance so botany can mutate with out haveing to hope the chemist isnt a drugie and will make you mutagen

honestly i just hate him cause he is a bald. *spreads bald hate*

So I don’t like that my primary point in my post was disregarded and instead frances and lord chose to reply to something I am not even saying. I never once said antags should not kill or hide bodies. In fact I said (twice) that I don’t necessarily think the actions mirk took were wrong. I was remarking on his lack of consideration and how that has affected other players; which falls inline with the general “don’t be a dick rule”. I would like to focus on that as opposed to talking about the actual actions he took. But I never said (nor do I believe) that antags should not be able to kill and hide bodies. However there are circumstances in killing and hiding a body that can be bad sportsmanship and violate the don’t be a dick rule. I also do not support a ban on mirk because I don’t think he’s been adequately addressed. I doubt anyone has explained the depth of why what mirk is doing is wrong even though the actual physical actions don’t violate server rules.

so I’m gona chime in on this one, I was pretty livid when I was killed. I went along with rp because I didn't think I was simply going to be kicked out of the game for an hour and a half. I even asked loocly not to hide my body but you (mirk) had it hid anyway. I regret going along with the antag rp in the hopes that we'd have some nice rp and I could have been cloned. Honestly the only thing it taught me is not to do any sort of antag rp with you. What really gets me is how obviously little you care about how your rp affects other people. Instead of taking ownership for what had happened, then apologized to the player and seek to correct the action you’ve given excuses and tried to shed responsibility. It was your decision to have my body hidden. I only have two characters and one of them is out so this 30 minute respawn timer isn’t exactly a great option for me. Thank you for kicking me out of the game so long, I am glad to see you care that you ruined the one round I get to play at night. The lack of courtesy you have shown is a perfect display of what it means to be an indecent human being. Take a moment to be a decent person and listen to the complaints put forth. Whether any of your actions (the ling, the spam, the robusting) is wrong or not, you can still show a level of decency as a person. Will it kill you not to hide someone’s body so they aren’t kicked out of the game, no, then be a decent person to your fellow players and don’t hide the body. I’m not saying anything you’ve done here is wrong, but you have displayed a clear lack of courtesy to other players. Jackboot was gravely upset by the spam that you had put forth. Even if you were not wrong in sending it according to the rules, be a decent human being, apologize and don’t do it again. There is no reason that your character just has to send this spam, and if it gravely affects another player to the point that it ruined their game, then don’t do it. That is what I believe the don't be a dick rule is all about. This is why you’ve not seen me monkey bomb the station in the longest time. Even though monkey bombing is not wrong or against the rules(at the time); when I did it it gravely upset a fellow player. I have enough consideration for other people that I stopped monkey bombing only for the sake of the other player’s enjoyment. I would like to see you be on this level of decency.

i can see a whitelist strip. but i wouldnt support a ban. i was in another round with this cmo who straight up refused to fix broken limbs because he "wanted to watch the wizard" and its more entertaining than actually doing his job. this is behavior i expect from a random member, not a professional head of staff. the player that had the broken limb had to walk around with it for a good while because the cmo was the only one with access at the time. i've seen this cmo play around alot of times, i can see random players doing this but when i see a head of staff fuck around that badly it just breaks immersion.

i dont support this for alot of the reasons why people already said