Peppermint

This round was super sucky and frustrating. The borgs - both Sonic and Burger - were about all that kept it vaguely enjoyable during standard stealth malf garbage. I think punishing someone for trying to make the round less less enjoyable is extremely backwards.

Unless something has been changed in the current, ongoing round, yes. When was it changed? (Not meant to sound passive-aggressive! Just unsure as not played sec as much recently until today)

Heyo. Hopefully this is the right place for this. Bear in ind this is coming from someone who plays both the sec and medical side of the equation. With the new brainmed system, for a while now sec's non-lethals have been really janky and frustrating to use. I think they need more work and a second look, as right now things go from a hundred to zero real quick. I've seen people take entire rubber mags to the chest, a full taser, and then stunbattons before dropping. Likewise it should not be possible to just chill in teargas with very little happening. It takes a lot to put someone down right now, which brings me onto the second point... ...once they are down, heartattacks. Pain lingers for a long time and totally fucks with the heart. I'm not entirely sure if this is intentional as I've been told a few times it should not be possible, but without a doubt it's an issue. It's not common, but I've seen it enough times to be worried. I have no concrete suggestions here, as I'm not actually sure what the problem is - I've been told a few times that it's being looked into, but nothing really seems to be changing.

I played Nina that round, also a traitor. I was the one causing most of the arguments to spark issues (as an antag too) but felt like killing your character off would be way too much without escalation. So I didn't. That you then decided to go after two people who did considerably less seems off to me. A petty argument resulting in explosive implants is kind of a mean move in my book; I doubt you'd have had fun if I'd decided to just EMP you after we had a few heated conversations.

Pretty much did the exact same thing in round b4L-dxSY. Decided to bomb implant and murder two surgeons just...because?

Had a really good malf round that made me rethink my stance on this a bit. More liberal use of a blacklist sounds fun, or perhaps changing the requirements to 'x hours on AI' to go malf, should the codebase allow it.

Be safe, wherever you go ❤️

It would be nice if there was more warning on choosing an antag role. Something like: 'By choosing this role, you're accepting your part to drive the story and help entertain the players. Your goal is not to win or to kill as many people as possible', then perhaps more use of blacklisted roles like has been suggested on the malf post. Just as there's been a worrying number of people seeming to think otherwise recently.

Mhm. Hence I think it should be kept. There have been lots of wonderful ling rounds, albeit not recently (Though antags in general have been a bit bleh).

Not trying to paint you in a bad light, that is just my own experience and perspective from the round. As you say, most was over command/in-person and I imagine things could have been handled better. However, I do empathise with both of you over why either party would be annoyed. I would just be careful making assumptions ^^. Leaves everyone feeling bitter. I don't really feel I have anything else to add here, so will sneak on out whilst it's handled. Best of luck!

I played one of the officers in this round. I'm often very critical of HoS players both OOC and IC as there are so many questionable ones, but I really think Bear did very well. I'll avoid writing too much as other people have already summarised things, but here is my experience as one of said sec officers rather than as command. - We had a hectic autotraitor round with many of us joining late to total chaos. We managed to get everything under control and things seemed fine. - After a bunch of people had been arrested and charged, we got a sudden announcement from the Captain telling the HoS to stand down. At this point we were all incredibly confused given the fact that the captain had been a non-factor all round and not once communicated properly with the security team, so it came out of left field and most of us assumed antag-fuckery. Apparently not. During this time we dealt with a minor explosion at the brig. This was a mine in the maint tunnel by the armory, which didn't even fully vent. Engineering handled it very quickly and it was never a risk to anyone. - I'd like to point out that by demanding to question a prisoner in a very clear case of attempted murder, the Captain was way overstepping and injecting herself into a department that neither needed nor wanted extra oversight. I can't believe they are actually defending wordlessly moving a dangerous prisoner without mentioning it over radio from an apparent threat that simply did not exist. The main brig was entirely fine and there was no danger to the prisoner - something we were actually discussing over radio, had they listened - whilst the warden was watching them constantly. - We were brought in for a brief by the HoS and were told that the Captain was acting against regulations and the HoS would not be standing down until a fax came. That said, Bear was very clear that he would stand down should CC demand it, and set about appointing an interim. Not sure why the main body of Kaed's complaint said we didn't, as we very much did and were ready in the event he was asked to stand down. - The round continued with a little more traitor stuff. Again, still NOTHING from the captain to the rest of sec. We were never given an explanation and no attempts at communication were made. As such, it wasn't really a contest of sec siding with one or the other, as they simply did not engage us in a meaningful manner. - Eventually Adrian did traitor things and brought an energy sword, killed the warden, and blew up the wall. Myself and the HoS responded and we ended up downing him, but he was in a bad way. This is when things got really wrong in regards to the captain imo. Here we were trying to support the medical team in keeping the prisoner and warden alive, both of us doing CPR whilst med patched them. Yet the entire time whilst these poor people are spraying blood and flatlining, the Captain stands behind us whining and complaining that nobody is following their orders, as well as generally blocking the hallway and getting in the way, seemingly not at all caring that two of her crew are now dead.

A bad ling round is just extended. I'm not a huge fan of it, but there are worse (Death to malf).

I hate malf. If we can't just totally remove AI, this works too.

So long as something is added in their place, I don't really care. However the recent trend of removing rather than fixing things is pretty bleh. I'm sure there are people who would be willing to work on Vox lore if they were given the chance. Reducing the number of options without tackling the main issue is not a good thing in my opinion.

My issue is always gonna be the same with this. Perma-killing characters in a video game like this isn't fun, and unless this is going to be enforced by rules (Fuucckkk that), it's going to be odd to have someone die and then wander around the next round just because. If people really want cloning gone from the ship - though I don't agree with removing things like that - that's okay, I guess. My problem is mostly removing choice from a game like this is always bad imo.

My issue is more perma-death of characters and now psych being totally useless. Dying in round is fine. Having a character perma die to the sheer number of possible hazards would suck. Likewise it's not as if people get back into the round after being cloned anyway. They then tend to be in medical until the shift finishes.

Strongly against this.

Heyo. I have worries, but not gonna +/- 1as I think the system sucks,. Firstly never seen you in medical and you listed wanting to play CMO. Kind of an issue, unless you just didn't add your character maybe? My interactions with you haven't really been great either. Things like killing a cadet 10mins into the round as a vampire and then complaining in LOOC to me that you weren't being clonned (after being killed by sec) stands out. As do issues of play around antags where there seems to be more emphasis on 'winning' than driving a narrative. Not the best trait for someone who wants to play command. Likewise when I see you in sec, you seem to get very frustrated very quickly and have a tendency to yell and swear at others. I really think you need a bit more time here. Can edit back in the thingy I put now the round is over too. Caught the tail end of a vampire round where you ran around converting people willy-nilly. Likewise got fired from iHoS in like ten minutes after siding with an officer who decided to batton the RD, yelled at everyone to stay 'in their fucking lanes' when command asked them to be charged, and then salted in LOOC. I'd guess it was part of being an antag, but you then defended those actions in ghost chat..so..I really don't think we need more officers like this, let alone in command. Perhaps I'm just catching you on bad days though. Best of luck with it all!

BYOND Key: Peppermint96 Staff BYOND Key: ReadMePlz Game ID: The round after b4y-akXo, though not exactly relevant. Reason for complaint: This isn't entirely a complaint, but more a request for better clarification regarding certain rules. For a run down for what happened: A nations event was started by Read, with little spoken about expectations when it came to rules/goals. I was told during the ahelp that no rules are relaxed unless an admin states as such, but given the round type and what was already happening, I'm not entirely sure that was true. An announcement regarding (but not really clearing up) this was made whilst I was ahelped, but again it lacked any real info as to what was and wasn't okay. So as a sec member, I ended up leaving the sec 'nation' after ten minutes in, a gunfight and brawl broke out after someone committed the terrible crime of....sitting in the warden's chair. Seeing as I joined late and this is hardly normal, I assumed things were more relaxed. Anyhow. I went off to steal the spare as bargaining power to join another group, as seemed to be the sensible option. When I got there, it seemed other people had the same idea. I hacked into the bridge and got winded without a word. A few minutes pass and still nothing, after which an announcement follows up saying no powergaming/overt rule breaking. I then get messaged and we speak a bit, at which point I accepted all that was said and didn't make a fuss. I was then told I was getting temp banned for having a note regarding hacking into areas the week before. I assume I was banned over not playing a believable character, though I disagree with this. My problems in general are: - This was an entirely different character, and one I mean to eventually transfer into engineering as part of her story. I'm not sure why the ban states she's eighteen? - A temp ban when I have a single warning seems rather harsh, though I assume it's due to it being a repeat despite very different contexts. - I have seen multiple other people do things like this with no repercussions. From other sec officers routinely hacking into places without getting spoken to, to doctors claiming they have two doctorates and a masters so they can do any work. This is a pretty common thing yet enforcement varies wildly from person to person. - Very little was said about how the round type would work. Given the mayhem very early on, I feel this is a point in my favour. Depending on who had handled the ticket, I feel like the consequences could have varied wildly. Evidence/logs/etc: N/a Additional remarks: - I accept that I messed up, to a degree. However, I do feel like the cross-departmental rule needs better/further wording as it's very subjective. I feel like someone with an interest and some schooling in engineering being able to do the very simple task of opening doors to be fairly believable. Had I filled out employment records would that make it fine? And, if so, where is the line drawn? There seems to be a lot of room to abuse things there, as it does if people used the skill thingy. - Is there a way to see your note history? Decided I don't really care enough to follow-up. Can be locked/ignored.

A big thanks to everyone who's commented, but as I DM'd Shadow, I''ll be withdrawing this. Not been enjoying the game as much recently and been rather burnt out. Thanks though ❤️

You yelled 'I'm getting attacked by terrorists' over command channel without giving any location. Likewise I was in constant communication with the captain throughout the round, whilst dealing with multiple changlings, so I'm not entirely sure what this is based on. Your character spent the rest of the round angry that my team did not somehow immediately teleport to your location where you yourself - as consular - decided to wade into a fight and act as security despite it being out of your jurisdiction. You then shot two people rather than waiting for security to handle it. At no point did I attempt any kind of actual arrest, but instead wanted the captain to drop the immunity in case I had to . At no point did I make any choice, and instead left it all down to the captain whilst me and him were talking about it over the sec channel. A -1 over a single round where your biggest complaint is lack of communication with someone I was fairly sure had committed crimes - especially when the captain stepped in to deal with it - seems a bit much. Especially as this the only round we've interacted together on. As a side note, I've made a character complaint based on your conduct that round as a non-antagonist.

BYOND Key: Peppermint96 Game ID: b4n-aLCQ Player Byond Key/Character name: WigglesworthJones (I think) Staff involved: I didn't ahelp it at the time due to a busy round. Reason for complaint: They were playing their consular character and things started out fine. Eventually they started screaming over the radio that they were being attacked by two terrorists, so I sent some officers to deal with it. After spending the vast majority of the round trying to sort this mess out along with two changlings, they were somehow let off. Feel free to correct me, but my understanding of the events were as followed: - There was some political talk amongst a bunch of Tajara at cargo. - One of the cargo techs - Yahir - launched Wiggles' character out of cargo using an exosuit. Rather than waiting for security, Wiggles then returned to the scene. - Said conversation got heated, as these seem to always go, at which point a brawl broke out between some of the cargo techs. - To break up the fight, he then jumped over the cargo desk and began shooting as non-security, putting Yahir and another tech present into medical for the next 10-15 minutes. - Multiple attempts to ask questions were refused, up until the point where he sent a fax to get a representative aboard. My issue here is that he quite clearly - as a representative - put himself into danger to correct a brawl security was already on the way to deal with. He shot people with lethals as a non-antag, and turned the entire round into dealing with this mess despite the fact there were other antags that needed to be dealt with. Did you attempt to adminhelp the issue at the time? If so, what was the known action taken by administration/moderation? No. It was a messy round and I was busy elsewhere. Approximate Date/Time: 24/11/2019. The round started at 7:28am, and the whole issue kicked off a quarter of the way in or so.

I wasn't going to reply to anything further, but looks like I kinda gotta. During your first example, you seem to be missing the part where I arrived late to a malf AI round where the SM ha degraded, all of security was dead, and there was a small army of borgs (As Captain). I got in and called the shuttle practically instantly as the crew made it very clear they were unable to handle the issue. I'm not exactly sure what type of co-ordination you wanted here, but there you have it. In the shuttle, you were dying from multiple injuries and told me to unwrench the oxygen canister and move it into the main area. Again, you told me to do this, which I did. You even threw me the darn wrench, so I'm unsure why you've written it out as if I swooped in and stole your thunder.. Which is..something I did, after putting you into cryo seeing as you had 120+ brute and something like 70+ hypoxia. I.E You were going to die anyway. I'd also note that we had exactly zero medical players this shift, presumably because they were dead. I made a mistake in not knowing the medical area was vented and fully admit to that, which I did multiple times in OOC with a whole host of apologies. As for the CMO round, the entire main level was vented and medical was a crater. I should have thought of maints/the elevator - which you and another said after - and grab/examine, which is something I'm aware of but didn't think about at the time. I admitted this fault and do take my share of the blame for that mess, but likewise the surgeon was as huge issue. As I detailed in death chat, I have the logs if you'd like. He only told me he was going AFK after I'd already stepped in as he'd been staring at you for the past five minutes whilst I was in/out of medical grabbing supplies. I made a bunch of assumptions that turned out to be wrong, which -again - I admitted to doing. For whatever reason, examine didn't show any arterial bleeding and neither did your sprite, so seeing as you'd arrived on 5% hp I assumed internal bleeding. When I first asked you what the problem was. you told me it was your head and only later mentioned your legs. I thought it was internal bleeding and set about fixing that, but then switched to fix the break seeing as it didn't take long and there was an incision already. Again, I freely admit to having fucked up, as I did so yesterday in death chat. I def think I've had a few bad rounds recently, but had a good start. Which is hopefully shown via the amount of positive feedback I got earlier on and throughout. But have made some pretty darn large errors recently too, so - if require - I'd like to request an extension to the trial.

Shall we go into detail of what actually happened? Seeing as you made an admin ticket after all, which we both know was dismissed after holding the round up for twenty-five minutes, I think it's interesting you're now using the exact same thing as feedback despite nothing being found as wrong. I joined said 'fight' at the end when your paramedic was already restrained. Seeing as you were on crit, I patched you up as best I could whilst you constantly resist spammed. When you (obviously) got free, you attacked everyone nearby...got beaten down again..resist spammed again..and repeat. Which is interesting seeing as your complaint here is I didn't painRP. I spent the entire thing backed into a corner until you decided to attack me, at which point yes, I defended myself. I also didn't touch anybody else's department despite what you told the admin involved, aside from to teach the chemist viro when he said he didn't know how to make antibodies. During this, I told him the steps whilst he himself did the practical part. I'm sorry you feel this way and hopefully other rounds will change things. That said, I would like to highlight that the admin who looked into the ticket didn't find any fault with the above, so I'll be honest that I'm a tad confused why it's being used as feedback. I'll be DMing you for further information.

My first post here was fairly positive, but I have issues over the last round or two. I had a captain round a little bit ago and asked for volunteers for HoS. You immediately offered despite the fact that your sec play is honestly rather poor (Which is a whole other complaint), most likely through inexperience (I've seen you commenting as such during OOC discussion, so hopefully this isn't overly cruel). To still step forward into a vital role is rather off. I think it's important people know their limitations, especially as getting on the whitelist opens up all command roles. It'd be really frustrating if you took the slot of a role you're not really ready for and had issues; I'm all for trials by fire, but there is a basic grounding that needs to be there first. During said round, you also decided downing a bottle of zoom pills was a good idea, and spent the rest of the round mentally retarded from the resulting OD. You claimed you didn't know what they did, but simple examine would have told you they cause brain damage. Bear in mind this was on a round where we were on blue alert less than twenty minutes in and needing command staff to baby you was a headache. I think you need to take roles more seriously as well as go in slow. If you don't know what you're doing as sec, join as a cadet. If you don't know what random pills do, ask medical. Accept your gaps in knowledge and work on them. Sorry, but changing to a -1.