Peppermint

Posted about my complaint so assuming I'm somewhat involved. All this is is you once again not taking responsibility for the choices you made (including thinking non-consensual romance pushed by antag mechanics is wanted here if I'm not misunderstanding...?) and pushing it off onto other people and how they should be the ones to tell you not to do something. None of this takes personal responsibility, and none of this really seems to explain why you think these incidents were acceptable. That you're saying you were banned for a minor offence here is beyond me across this and the rhetoric issue.

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The more people post the less I understand. It feels like this is supposed to have been a complaint on security, but they were spoken to so I'm unsure why it was on me. If it was supposed to be on me, I'm not really following why it has been such a big thing. I told you not to do two things in aooc and then handled your security ticket. Nobody was banned. Nobody was even warned. Are you disagreeing that antags should be allowed to just leave whenever or are you disagreeing that I said not to use the base as a hideaway? I'm really not getting it.

They literally were bwoinked for arming up like that lol. And someone else doing something wrong does not allow other people to do something wrong in return. You have teleporting pens, tc, and weapons. Leaving an hour in isn't alright, and neither is setting up impossible to reach teleports. I don't know what else there is to add.

Okay. And I told them off over that like I said above? I'm not sure how I'm responsible for something someone else did, though I did resolve it.

- Don't run away an hour in on your shuttle after just robbing the place. You're supposed to drive a narrative, as it says in the server rules. Doubly so on a deadpop round. - Don't use the spawn base as an IC hideyhole as it's more of an OOC spawnpoint to get ready before heading out and is incredibly unfair for everyone else to deal with, however creative the teleporters were. - I spoke to the head of security and told them off for arming their officers up so quickly. Your ticket was handled in your favour. Nothing else to say.

On trial until 27/05/2023. Hit me up on discord if there are any issues, and try to have fun with it.

Gonna paraphrase a bit here and say that I don't know you, I'm entirely neutral toward you, and this victim stuff of how I'm out to get you is really silly. The punishment here wouldn't be random. It's up to the admin handling it as to what they choose. Usually that's note - warning - ban, but it doesn't have to be. I have told you the problem. It's the environment and suggestions this kind of content creates for other people. I do not think you were being malicious or any such thing, but I do feel that this is too much. Romantic expression between two consenting characters is fine - and I mean consenting characters, not players, as that creates questionable scenarios if you go with the latter. I am not saying you intentionally played into sexual assault themes, or icky stuff, but that is how I feel these kind of things will be read by a lot of people. You now have two other members of staff - rooster and mel - saying the same thing. A lot of these arguments are entirely redundant too. I'm not even going to touch them. I have no idea how to begin explaining how 'romantic expression is allowed' is close to allowing this kind of gimmick. I don't really have anything else to add at this point.

Loads of what you said implied sexual activity. You yourself have gone on to admit the kissing thing, and did not refute my claims of it looking like romantic obsession. How is that not sexual? You're playing a vampire, which knocks people out and steals their blood against their will, with a bunch of mind powers to coerce them, and then go onto tell people how you just kissed them whilst they're in that state.- which is practically sexual assault. In the screenshots Rooster linked above (using notepad like a savage for some reason) you're screaming to people nearby how you're going to run away and kiss this Clark dude, presumably against his will. How is that not extremely weird? I don't know how, in any world, that is not seen as icky and uncomfortable the second you start looking at this under that lens. That is why it is not wanted here. I am unsure how to make it any clearer that the people you interacting over it being okay with it means absolutely nothing in this case. I don't care if other players around you were fine with it, as plenty of others will not have been in the future. We do not let people break rules through the court of public opinion so players can pick and choose which they want on any one day, and nor do allow gimmicks like this. By playing here you're agreeing to that. There are plenty of other servers on the hub who cater to more PG antics. This isn't one of them. I don't think the rule needs to be amended, as this does not feel like a particularly complicated issue. Don't go around insinuating you kissed people whilst screaming about how they consented to it, how badly you want a particular character, and how everyone likes it oh so much. How is that hard to grasp? I really didn't expect so much doubling down, or I'd have placed a ban over a warning tbh. If anything this was quite lenient and I somewhat regret it. As a closing note, I do not hold other players in the round accountable. You decided to go around telling people how your character had just kissed them. You kept to the play of it being a consent thing, and how everyone was liking it. And you brought these themes into the round. The fact other people then ran with them is not their fault, given they weren't responsible for it in the first place.

On trial until 26/05/2023. As a note, the process is supposed to be fun. Don't stress too much about getting crazy playtime in, just do your best to get some feedback over the week. Message me on discord if there are any issues.

On trial until 26/05/2023. As a note, the process is supposed to be fun. Don't stress too much about getting crazy playtime in, just do your best to get some feedback over the week. Message me on discord if there are any issues.

A few things keep coming up. - The fact nobody directly said anything to you, or in a ticket for the round, does not mean something is okay. It just means it was missed. That's all. It doesn't change the fact that to my eyes, this is rulebreaking and goes too far. - They're meant to assume it's biting. It says so on the character sprite if you shift click them. - What assumption is it here? You directly called biting people pecking, and here admit you were alluding to kissing. That's unacceptable. - If people make a thing of biting being sexual assault, kissing, ect, then yes they will also be spoken to. It creates an icky enviroment that has no place on this server. - Thank you for reminding me I didn't deal with the other person. I'll go ahead and sort that out come morning, as it's late for me right now.

You weren't spoken to in round as the other staff members on didn't see it. You posted a strange screenshot in general and it made some of us blink a bit - as Mel stated in the channel - at which point I decided to look a bit deeper and pulled up the logs. I spoke to the other admins online at the time and they stated they just didn't see it, but wish they had so they could have dealt with it. The screenshot in question weirded me out a bit given 'woman of the night' is a term for a female prostitute: For the actual content in question I'll just post a bunch of logs. Bear in mind the timestamp; not all of it was stated together otherwise it would all look far far worse: The whole 'Clark liiikes it, or will like it after I do it enough, lots of people are into it, don't pretend you didn't like it' lines are all pretty darn sus to me. It's way too close to euphemisms and adult content. You spent the round yelling about this Clark guy and going on about how much he liked 'it' - being bitten, how he consented, how you just wanted him, ect. Then to top that off also referred to it as 'pecking' (kissing). That's not okay lol. Nah bruh. I don't know how I'm not supposed to see this under the lens of romantic obsession. I feel like I can leave this here? Likewise, as per the warning itself : I stated in it that I was unsure whether or not blurring the line here was intentional, hence it was only a warning given vampire has a lot of roots in VTM which is obviously very much a PG+ thing so it can sometimes be a little harder to tell. That said, I feel your actions and ways of referring to everything going on here really weren't okay. As a closing note, I have never seen biting being referred to as kissing before and it's wholly not acceptable anyway.

Hi there, I'm a little confused regarding your complaint. This is for when people do break rules and you didn't get to talk to an admin in game, or you feel it wasn't handled correctly. However you stated a few times that it's not really this specific player but security as a whole. Are you wanting every security player looked at for the two rounds you mentioned? As if you're not complaining about the players involved, this should probably be more of a general forum post/a suggestion about how to fix this.

Hey, I'll be taking this. Try and get as much feedback as you can, and I'll have an answer for you in a few days.

Hey, I'll be taking this. Try and get as much feedback as you can, and I'll have an answer for you in a few days.

Seconding Cybs. Show a really bad ability to take on criticism or talk to others politely when they disagree with your ideas and whatnot. You seem talented when it comes to the coding side and improving regularly (at least from what I read), but I think you really need to get on top of the attitude side before joining the dev team properly.

A lot of these just allow the AI to grief, act in an LRP manner, or entirely take over the round for a haha funny spessman reference. Not a fan. We need less of this, not more.

A lot of staff are on break/not putting too much attention into the game right now. If it's being slow best to just DM myself next time ^^. I'll go ahead and lift this though.

Make a staff complaint rather than unbans, as you have been told.

Gosh, that was a long post. I have bad news regarding staff playtime though - those figures aren't entirely out there if you look across admin staff, CCIA, and lore. You're going to have a lot of folks to review and go through with that idea. The character attack from your starting post to this one are getting a little bit tiring given how irrelevant they are. I'm honoured you screenshotted my logs in an entirely different conversation with someone else to use here though. And apparently I am the one being uncharitable. Thankfully my staff activity is not your concern or problem, and I do just fine when it comes to handling out of game things due to lack of time so to keep my spot. And bear in mind this was a joint decision, so 'Peppermint' wasn't making any choices on her own in regards to the WL strip from being oh so out of it. I mostly discussed it with Read, who agreed a WL strip was required regardless of what punishment we went with. Matt also weighed in that we didn't want to see this kind of behaviour from command personnel. That's 3/4 of the WL team, with the last having missed the discussion. At the end of the day, we do not want captains using the armoury to gather their gear and charge out after antags who haven't done very much, when the staff you had on hand were more than capable. That's all this boils down to. ``So, did Peppermint just log on to observe, poke holes in my command play for a round situation that was very clearly not ideal, and then immediately justify this was a whitelist issue to have an excuse to permanently strip my ability to play those command roles?`` Seriously? What reason is it I have to meta grudge you to this extent? I would like some actual proof if you're going to make these kinds of allegations. as that is very much what is being implied here and has been since your opening post. EDIT: RE Read, said antag didn't die. Came very very close and spent the next 20 minutes or so in surgery hell however, at which point the round transfered.

His whole gimmick was taking a bunch of drugs. He was not trying to abuse anything. The speed was from hyperzine. Still doesn't give you the right to track him down and shoot him as a Captain, which is the crux of it here.

He was just on hyperzine. He wasn't abusing anything.