Staff Complaint - Drago / Alberyk

[TheSleepyCatmom]

BYOND Key: DasFox

Staff BYOND Key: Drago(??) / Alberyk

Game ID: b1X-dDgA (Round) / b1Y-an4X (continued ahelp)

Reason for complaint: I'm going to start by saying I was banned. I don't much care about that any longer, it's expired and it's over and done with. The thing I'm primarily contesting is the removal of my head of staff whitelist. I understand why it was removed, but that doesn't mean I agree with it. Especially not for the ban reason that was blatantly stated to me by someone who very clearly has a disdain or animosity towards me. Especially not when it was originally three weeks for 'Validhunting' when I had a reasonable plan that did not go out of my way to murder an AI. Doesn't matter though, I guess, does it?

The reason Alberyk is included in the complaint is he lowered the ban, and he's also the Head Administrator and what not. I'm not sure if removing it was his decision or the decision of the team as a whole or however it works.

 

Evidence/logs/etc: I had the log files at one point for my ahelp, but I misplaced the links to them. I'll dig around and see if I can find it in a bit. It's also not just me who feels she shouldn't have taken it in the first place, and I have at least one screenshot of other mirroring said statement, though I'd show them privately to whoever's handling this as I don't want to throw them out to the wind in the spotlight.

 

Additional remarks: My general problem here is the fact it was she who took the ahelp. Being impartial is a huge part of being staff, and I don't feel she was in the slightest, which resulted in me losing half my will to even play the game any longer as most of my characters that I was into playing recently are done and gone now.

[Alberyk]

I lowered the ban to one week because we usually do one day, three day, one week and perma bans.

[Lady Fowl]

6 hours ago, TheSleepyCatmom said:

BYOND Key: DasFox

Staff BYOND Key: Drago(??) / Alberyk

Game ID: b1X-dDgA (Round) / b1Y-an4X (continued ahelp)

Reason for complaint: I'm going to start by saying I was banned. I don't much care about that any longer, it's expired and it's over and done with. The thing I'm primarily contesting is the removal of my head of staff whitelist. I understand why it was removed, but that doesn't mean I agree with it. Especially not for the ban reason that was blatantly stated to me by someone who very clearly has a disdain or animosity towards me. Especially not when it was originally three weeks for 'Validhunting' when I had a reasonable plan that did not go out of my way to murder an AI. Doesn't matter though, I guess, does it?

The reason Alberyk is included in the complaint is he lowered the ban, and he's also the Head Administrator and what not. I'm not sure if removing it was his decision or the decision of the team as a whole or however it works.

 

Evidence/logs/etc: I had the log files at one point for my ahelp, but I misplaced the links to them. I'll dig around and see if I can find it in a bit. It's also not just me who feels she shouldn't have taken it in the first place, and I have at least one screenshot of other mirroring said statement, though I'd show them privately to whoever's handling this as I don't want to throw them out to the wind in the spotlight.

 

Additional remarks: My general problem here is the fact it was she who took the ahelp. Being impartial is a huge part of being staff, and I don't feel she was in the slightest, which resulted in me losing half my will to even play the game any longer as most of my characters that I was into playing recently are done and gone now.

 

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******Today at 6:07 PM
The previous Nanotrasen Artificial Intelligence personality received by the NSS Aurora has been dismantled after an oversight in the production of the new model. We apologize for any inconveniance this might have caused, however, Central Command has sent another model to fix the previous stated issues.

Any questions or concerns may be relayed to Central Command at the NTCC Odin.
As well as a little blurb under the first paragraph saying "Shits fixed, no problems at all from the old AI will be in this one" basicly.
The previous Nanotrasen Artificial Intelligence personality received by the NSS Aurora has been wiped after an oversight in the production of the new model. We apologize for any inconveniance this might have caused, however, Central Command has sent another AI personality to fix the previous stated issues. All issues with the former AI should be fixed within the new one uploaded, including any possible core-related issues. Any questions or concerns may be relayed to Central Command at the NTCC Odin.
this is the full one

[03:05:31] drwago -> dasfox: Got a sec? 
[03:05:34] dasfox -> drwago: Sure. 
[03:06:08] drwago -> dasfox: Did you order the CE to move down to the ai (CL) core to disable them? 
[03:06:17] dasfox -> drwago: Yes. 
[03:06:33] drwago -> dasfox: Why? 
[03:10:06] dasfox -> drwago: Because disabling it's power is the safest way to guarantee it won't just turn the turrets on behind us when we go in to card it. The last AI (CL) killed people and almost killed me, and the way laws work it doesn't work through personalities, it works through machine. That's how it's always been. So I've played through the entire shift as suspicious of this new AI, and even the malf-borgs were acting off that were apparently lawed to it. I also got told by the antagonist the exact same thing I'd said earlier about it, as well as the other borg stating it was like the other one recently, which is the same conclusion I arrived to. 
[03:10:37] dasfox -> drwago: I could have ordered an assault on the core, but I didn't want to just kill it.I wanted to disable and card it, and take it back to central and keep the core inactive. 
[03:10:45] drwago -> dasfox: But central announced the AI (CL) was fixed with a working AI, what convinced you otherwise what its still broken 
[03:11:01] dasfox -> drwago: And you can't fix hardware with software, Drago. That announcement *doesn't fit how it works.* 
[03:11:14] drwago -> dasfox: Its not a hardware issue 
[03:11:20] dasfox -> drwago: Oh yes, this personality suddenly repaired the damage law-board in the AI (CL) core. Yes, it is. Laws are loaded on the hardware. 
[03:11:28] dasfox -> drwago: You can't law MMIs or Positronics. 
[03:11:32] drwago -> dasfox: Malfunctioning laws are a software issue 
[03:12:43] drwago -> dasfox: And yes you can law them 
[03:15:27] dasfox -> drwago: No, you can't, because they *lose their laws* the second they exit a chassis or core. The laws are connected to the chassis, and to the core. Not to the personality. Beyond this, Drago, if me ordering an AI (CL) be disabled after the borgs were being strange and the /last AI/ nearly killed me is terrible, would you rather me walk somewhere and potentially risk the lives of my people against an AI that I didn't know was correctly lawed or not, as the borgs meant to be /connected/ to it were being overly aggressive? 
[03:16:13] dasfox -> drwago: Would you rather me just let it sit and ignore the entire round of units misbehaving and going off that are meant to be linked to the AI, (CL) and so on? 
[03:16:29] drwago -> dasfox: You are loyalty implanted, are you not? 
[03:17:07] dasfox -> drwago: And the lives of my people and hte integrity of the intelligence were my top priorities during this order. Hence why I ordered it's power be shut down and not to *destroy it*. You can card a powered down intelligence. 
[03:21:35] drwago -> dasfox: Why would you ignore Central command's claim that the AI (CL) is fixed and in working order? 
[03:22:03] drwago -> dasfox: And apparantly,a intruder convinced command of this? 
[03:24:17] dasfox -> drwago: No. The Intruder mirror'd exactly what I thought; that the AI (CL) was just being sneaky. I was going to do the order regardless, I got sidetracked and told to talk to them by my staff however. Also; if Central says something. Which goes strictly against everything that works and provides no legitimate evidence otherwise, and an AI is suddenly rebooting it's own cameras around me during my conversations, I'm pretty sure I'm able to be suspicious of something. 
[03:26:16] drwago -> dasfox: But you still without much escalation or reason ended the AI's round, and went against what Centrals orders were 

[03:38:09] dasfox -> drwago: Sent an ahelp after that: Okay, and? I'm a person, playing a person, with feelings and thoughts. The implant is not a mind control chip. Central's word is not law, and I will take splash for my decisions if they do not align with what they want. I do what I believe is best for the corporation, and in (?) that regard I did what I thought was best for my crew; keeping them safe from another AI (CL) who could plausibly kill them. 
[03:39:19] drwago -> dasfox: But if you put aside the entire loyalty implant issue, you essentialy killed a new AI (CL) with no escalation 
[03:40:59] dasfox -> drwago: It was not a 'new' AI. (CL) I did not do so instantly. This was well after an hour had passed and I had enough time to even think up a plan to nonlethally disable it for guaranteed secure transport. You seem to forget *power does not kill an AI*, (?) it disables them, and they can be carded, and when carded restored in (?) a terminal. This was my plan. 
[03:41:24] dasfox -> drwago: I did not just do so with no escalation; the cyborgs that were LINKED to the AI (CL) were acting up. Not just Nanny-Bot who was unlinked. 
[03:42:05] dasfox -> drwago: I will not just ignore nearly dying (?) to an AI (CL) because it's pleasant for the player who joined after if I believe they're still a threat. The announcement isn't a 'OKAY SORRY GUYS RESTART', it wasn't orders, it was a statement. A statement I deemed false. 
[03:51:24] dasfox -> drwago: I don't mean to hurry you but I have things I need to run and do tonight, and I'd like to not disconnect in (?) the middle of an ahelp. 
[03:52:49] drwago -> dasfox: After ccia sent the announcement, what did they do to warrant getting rid of the new ai (CL) 
[03:56:09] drwago -> dasfox: Hello? 
[03:56:39] dasfox -> drwago: Drago, the escalation had happened. Yonnimer (?) sent the announcement to 'explain away' the AI (CL) trying to kill people and give the new replacement an entrance for it to make clear it was someone else. I am RPing a person, a person who knows that laws are linked to the hardware of a machine. In (?) which I told the Chief Engineer earlier into the shift to check the AI (?) and never got a response back. As in, go in and do a reset, go in and check the core, make sure everything is as it should be. With no response back from this, I waited. And the cyborgs continued being rowdy and not listening to orders very well at all unless I basically gave them no other option but to. The ones that were linked to them, that is. Beyond that, the unlinked cyborg we didn't destroy who was just being a meme was unrionically listening to orders /better/. This was a problem. My solution was to card the AI via disabling it's power, and re-enable it. That was how it went down. 
[03:58:11] dasfox -> drwago: I was not going to risk personnel to just waltz into the core room and try carding an AI. (CL) Because in (?) the end if it doesn't work, that man or woman is dead. It is not in the crew's best interest for me to do so. I gave an order to keep the safety of my crew as safe as they could be, and to keep the AI (?) as in-one-piece as it can be. 
[03:58:46] dasfox -> drwago: My other option was just to kill it. Destroy it. Let the intruder take it in (?) it's suit. None of these are good options. 
[03:59:47] drwago -> dasfox: Ok but to echo what I was discussing with another staff member, the reasoning all above doesnt matter in (?) that, it was clear a admin added a new AI (CL) and you immeditly went to card them or "Deal with them" for actions the other ai (?) did 
[04:00:48] drwago -> dasfox: Do you see why thats really awful to do and destroys any enjoyment or ability for them to tell a story? 
[04:05:30] dasfox -> drwago: Drago, I gave them an hour and a half before ordering anything beyond a reset and a general look-around-the-core. I was not going out of my way to fuck a person's round. Shadow cna complain as much as he wants, I did not once go out of my way to ruin his round as the Malf AI. (CL) He even accepted to take a look around. The CE didn't do it. I was never told why, how, when, where, what. Nothing. So in (?) the end I took the action into my hands after I had watched cyborgs drag beaten down men to security, to order it. And I watched them do it again, immediately after I left. I watched broken cameras be repaired on their own. I did not do this simply because I could, Drago. I did not move to 'deal with them' at all. I moved to secure them. They can tell a story, they had the ability to send more announcements, to give RP about it instead of just letting their cyborgs faff about and make me even more suspicious. They could have told me, quite literally, anything beyond 'OH NO IM 100% OKAY' when their linked cyborgs clea 
[04:05:40] dasfox -> drwago: -rly were not acting in (?) this way. 
[04:06:40] dasfox -> drwago: If I /did/ do that, yes. I'd understand it'd be a shitty thing to do. But I never once did. 
[04:07:27] drwago -> dasfox: But this was a new AI, (CL) why would you punish it for the acts of the other ai? (?) 
[04:11:09] dasfox -> drwago: Me asking a lawed AI (CL) to be checked is not a punishment. that is my prerogative as a captain (?) of a vessel. If I feel it needs to be checked, for any reason, I can and am at my authority to order it. New AI (?) or not. So I did. I did not punish it for these acts. If the cyborgs began acting any differently than they did under the command of the other AI, this was not a punishment. I did not punish the AI for actions of another, I gave an order to disable and secure (and not kill, which would be punishing it) the AI to guarantee it to work exactly as it says it is. This could have been done earlier in (?) the round without the use of a card at all. I literally just wanted him to look around the AI core to make sure nothing was out of place, and do a law reset to make absolutely certain. 
[04:12:22] drwago -> dasfox: But it was a new AI, (CL) they did nothing to even warrant that it would still be malf and the CE and others agreed when I asked them 
[04:14:51] drwago -> dasfox: To wrap this up, im applying a 3 week ban for validhunting. This was really generaly shity behavior that was in (?) very poor taste and you have been warned multiple times in the past week about this type of validhunting behavior. You may appeal on the forums or make a complaint 
[04:15:31] dasfox -> drwago: >warned multiple times for validhunting. Now I haven't been, but alright. Whatever, sure. My warnings are for doing something during an ahelp, and a minor warning for marking my targets the wrong way. But alright. 
[04:16:07] dasfox -> drwago: Just fucking apply it so I can go about my night please. 

[03:25:01] drwago -> *****: Got a sec? 
[03:25:06] ***** -> drwago: Shoot 
[03:25:25] drwago -> *****: Did you suggest/imply to the captain about the ai (CL) being malf still 
[03:26:00] ***** -> drwago: The announcement I saw implied they were replaced with another malf. Also, I was trying to kill the AI (CL) regardless. 
[03:26:05] *****-> drwago: Well, kill or capture. 
[03:26:55] ****** -> drwago: I did imply that it was still malfunctioning to the captain and to, like, the entire crew, but I did it to try and convince them to let me into the core to intellicard it. 
[03:27:28] drwago -> ******: thank you 

I initialy set the ban to three weeks yes, because I did not feel perma banning you was proper for fitting of what happened, I was informed we do not ban people for longer then a week but less then a perma so i lowered it to one week and was told that if you are punished then your whitelist was going to be stripped since you have already been showing poor roleplay as command so I had little to nothing to do with the whitelist strip, but to discuss the issue.

I have no issue with you, no issue with you as a person or hold any grudges, why you blocked me on discord or such is really unknown to me or why you generally dislike me, however in this decision making of this situation I was not alone in deciding it and went to multiple other people to get there opinion as I did not want to make a opinion alone, these people including Garn, Alb and Paradox who all agreed this was really really utter shit to do, aswell as contacting the CE player who contradicted things you claimed as the new AI had not escalated at all.

You went out of you're way to ruin somebodys round for the mistakes of the malf before a new one was admin bussed in, and in all honesty, that ruins every single spirit of fun of the game to actively shit down on somebody with no escalation. I do not feel a need to post further here as its quite plainly cut out, that this was really not cool and really clearly validhunting.

[TheSleepyCatmom]

I fail to see how any of that contradicts what I told you. Also your poor roleplay as command comment in regards to... what? Where's the evidence of this, barring the complaint that was deemed invalid? Is it your opinion that I was showing poor command roleplay? Because that makes extremely little sense and there's nothing backing it up in that post.

 

Two of those people you went to weren't present during the round. I also never claimed the AI escalated. I claimed the BORGS were doing things after the AI had stated they were LINKED. This, from my perspective, was entirely true. I literally watched a cyborg drag an injured crewmember through security to process them. While injured. That's not keeping the crew safe or really abiding by their laws.

 

I didn't go out of my way to do this. If I did, I'd have done so instantly. I didn't. There was nothing going on besides the Ninja talking to two of my staffers outside of this. An hour and a half went by before I gave this order from when they were replaced. I must say again, replacing an antagonist does not make me suddenly forget that i was nearly killed. I was well within my right as playing a person to be paranoid, and as someone who was paranoid gave an order that they believed would be the best case scenario.

 

Are people simply incapable of saying 'no', as well? I never absolutely demanded Roadman do it, I came up with an idea and said 'Alright here's the plan, let's do this'. I was not demanding and ordering everyone to smash cameras and break down doors to raid the AI core. This was not an attempt to kill or shut down an antagonist. I did not even know until they end that Shadow was a Malf as well, but I roleplayed a character. The entire purpose of the server? I had every opportunity to just kill Shadow's AI when I had all of security kitted and in the AI core as soon as they were brought in, I didn't. My intent was to card them without the turrets online. I stated this, even in the ahelp. Because I was playing someone who was paranoid, whether the decision was entirely rational or not isn't quite on the forefront of that person's mind.

 

And by the definition I got of Validhunting from Arrow, whom I asked for the accepted definition of validhunting the server uses, this isn't validhunting.

 

Oh, side note, also, for log diving purposes; I did ask Roadman to check the AI, in freespeak in a very aggravated way, over the command channel. He also knows freespeak and replied with something along the lines of "right..." immediately after. Something like that. So if you mean his contradiction was him saying "not immediately", that's false.

Edited July 6, 2019 by TheSleepyCatmom
Adding a note.

[Lady Fowl]

"I fail to see how any of that contradicts what I told you. Also your poor roleplay as command comment in regards to... what? Where's the evidence of this, barring the complaint that was deemed invalid? Is it your opinion that I was showing poor command roleplay? Because that makes extremely little sense and there's nothing backing it up in that post."

People are only removed from command whitelist if they show poor roleplay or break the rules, im not sure exactly what led up to your whitelist being stripped so I may be assuming so forgive me.


"Two of those people you went to weren't present during the round. I also never claimed the AI escalated. I claimed the BORGS were doing things after the AI had stated they were LINKED. This, from my perspective, was entirely true. I literally watched a cyborg drag an injured crewmember through security to process them. While injured. That's not keeping the crew safe or really abiding by their laws."

Paradox was present as was Alb, I sent garn the entire ticket logs from all sides.

Borgs acting out or showing poor gameplay for synthetics is not valid reason still to order the ai be essentially killed or carded as they have shown no reason or sign that they are malfunctioning. A borg aswell dragging a crew member is also not a sign or reason to assume they are malf, to echo what was said yesterday in a discussion similar to this "Assume borgs barely go malf"

 

"And by the definition I got of Validhunting from Arrow, whom I asked for the accepted definition of validhunting the server uses, this isn't validhunting."

Its best to explain to them the full situation instead of just asking for a answer without context

 

Had it been right after the CC announcement or afterwards does not change the following points.

1. You defied Central commands announcement when they said the new AI was working fine

2. You essentially  wanted there power shut off and for them to be carded with no escalation after Central said they are fine
 

I do not believe the aspect of you did not know they were malf, considering Yonnimer made a CC announcement about it, it should be clear that this was admin bussed in to keep the round going from a fresh perspective

You went against really every rule of escalation in this, they with the CC announcement aswell as you being loyalty implanted, should of  treated them like a new player, this would be the same case if security was attacking crew and a new security officer joined, killing him because he is the same as those who attacked you earlier is a shitty thing to do and takes away from what the game and antagonists are about, driving a story forward and having fun, and by going about it this way you disregarded Shadows want/need to have a enjoyable round by doing this, and it is something that should not be seen as a norm to do to people because at that point why have antagonists if I can say my character is paranoid and assume they are a traitor or other sort of antag, it completely nulls the point of antags if you can do that to everybody.


 

[Arrow768]

Well, since I have been mentioned here I´ll just post the relevant parts of the conversation here.

@Alberyk / @Garnascus please correct me if I am wrong here.

[TheSleepyCatmom]

There is a very large difference between knowing something from an OOC perspective, and continuing to play my character from an IC perspective. I knew the first AI was a malf due to the context clues Yonnimer dropped. Particularly about their role. However, I did not know Shadow was one until the end of the round. My OOC assumption was that the borgs just weren't linked and it was just an excuse on their part because borgs don't link automatically, until the end where a Camera literally clicked next to me back online in my office, or upgraded, or what have you.

 

As another note, I did prior tell Arrow about the ban. In fact I believe I walked him through a basic part of events from my perspective. Again, the round up until that point gave me reason to act the way I did. This is not comparable to me attacking security. This is comparable to me attacking a borg when another borg attempted to kill me when both were lawed to the same AI. The AI would be the factor that caused the situation if both units were linked to them, no?

 

Let me be clear; players act as they do because their characters respond to stress in certain ways. If you are an organic person, it's very likely you'll behave erratically if enough stress is put on you. If you are a synthetic player, you won't. If you are a stationbound player, you will follow your laws because you are forced to. If that stationbound is not following their laws and is, in fact, harming the crew and dragging them around while injured. It becomes a problem. When that borg is supposedly linked to the central Intelligence whom I was already paranoid against, I will take action at the root of the problem and not just disable the cyborgs if the problem does not lie with them.

 

If antagonists are about driving a story, Shadow didn't do any of it during this round in the first place, and instead allowed his cyborgs to make the paranoid, nearly-murdered Captain even more suspicious of him over the course of said round. Hence why after I point, I just stopped speaking to his AI, because all I felt I would get from an IC perspective was lies. I didn't go against any rule of escalation; if I had raided the AI core, yes. I would have. I didn't, I had it's power snipped to collect it. This is the equivalent of detaining the intelligence, how I went about it would be more of an IC issue as it is with security. If they toss tear gas at a person who's running, sure that might be a little overkill. Me having their power cut might be a little over the top, but again, rational decision isn't something someone who's paranoid is going to make the best.

 

And no, my character is not normally paranoid. I was nearly killed five minutes into my work shift by another AI. Hence why the announcement itself was almost ignored. I say almost because I did acknowledge it, give an order I'm allowed to give and that shadow accepted someone to do, and moved about the round until I notice the borgs they stated were linked to be acting out. Whether it was IC because of malf, or OOC because of borg players, I don't know. That's the problem with it, so I continued with my IC perspective of them being mislawed. And if they're linked I can't just select them for a reset, I'd need to fix the AI, which I can't do if it's also mislawed and has turrets that it can just toggle on and murder me with.

 

If I weren't nearly killed during the course of the round, I'd have just walked in and did the reset myself that I wanted done early on and have forgotten about the ordeal. I'm not going to do that after I had to be carried to medbay on a rollerbed because an AI nearly burned my hand off with a door and depressurized the room I was in. Instead I ordered my Chief Engineer to do it, whom arrived moments before. Who did not. I don't know why you keep thinking I asked him to immediately card the AI, I did not. You kept bringing it up in the ahelp, when I made it clear that wasn't my intent. In the end, my perspective of events is pretty damn simple;

 

I do my daily setup as Captain, I get nearly murdered in the command bar, I break out and get carted to medbay, we then go to the AI core with security, Central announcement and Yonnimer replacement. We leave AI core after Brayce logs in as Roadman and I order him to do a reset and check of the AI Core. An hour or so goes by with nothing from anyone but the borgs, Ninja wants to talk to me when I was hanging around security to sit around the HOS whom I'd had keep the Ion rifle because safety in combat trained people, and as a note this is when I was noticing the borgs being difficult and dragging injured crewmembers.  Ninja wants to talk, already in my office with Roadman. He (probably unintentionally) played on Phoebe's Paranoia by just playing a yesman and letting her drone on about how things work with AI. I gave an idea I had, Roadman said alright with no argument at all, went to do it. I went to get him a security guard to take care of the turret in the back of the area so he could disable the SMES and the camera, job done. Security didn't argue it either, they do what they went to do, job done x2, Ahelp.

 

That's the basic gist of my round from my eyes. I'm a person, in the end. But the ban is over and done with. I don't care about the ban anymore. I care about the fact that I had my whitelist stripped over it when I believe you shouldn't have taken the ahelp in the first place. You saying that doesn't change the fact that people who claim to be your friends have stated they can see the animosity in it and disagree with you taking it. That's when I see it as problematic.

[Pratepresidenten]

I will be taking this complaint.

[Pratepresidenten]

Okay, so a few things has surfaced here that probably should have been handled a bit differently. The initial malf in question was a griefing shitter, and this whole scenario would probably have been better off if voided.

But before I pass judgement, I want to know @TheSleepyCatmom, what measures were taken prior to the backdoor powersnipping? Were the borgs looked into? Do you know if they were actually lawed to the AI? Was a reset confirmed by Roadman for the new AI? Was carding even considered/attempted before taking the back route?

[TheSleepyCatmom]

Hi. Borgs were being apparently accepted by my security staff, I didn't agree with that. The terminal when I checked it I /thought/ said they were linked to the AI. Though to be fair I skimmed it and didn't check every single one, though I know Nannybot wasn't linked.

 

To my knowledge, no, Roadman never reset the AI. At all. Hence why my entire plan even was thought up. I didn't expect Roadman to do it and the only reason I had him do so in the end was because it had gone on that long and I didn't trust the AI ICly, and didn't trust it not to just turn on it's turrets and murder someone who went to try. Those turrets got an upgrade and are extremely lethal now. Which leads into the point immediately after.

 

I wanted the power cut so the turrets would fall offline. With the turrets offline I was guaranteed to be able to safely card the AI. I didn't want to play around with the lives of any of my crew in a potential scenario that could lead to their deaths. Phoebe just isn't a character to do that, and she never really has been. If she doesn't trust something, she's not going to risk someone's life to test if it's able to be trusted or not.

 

I'd still like to say AIs can be repaired and reactivated at an AI maintenance console from a power loss. So this really wasn't in any way me killing it either. Which is why I made the decision to do it. If it wasn't possible to do that, I'd simply have done it the hard way with security following the CE into the front to guarantee his safety as he did a reset and carded it. All there really was to it.

[Shadow7889]

Hi. I've been asked to apply my input from my standpoint on this. 

Honestly, and I'll do my best here to remain professional, you could have gone about carding me.. almost any other way besides blasting your way in. Your reactions and the way you behave as a character both ICly and OOCly in this manner have been seen before. I am really unsure how this punishment was a surprise to you what so ever. 

As for your complaint against Drago, I think you need to check the word impartial again. Had this of been me, I would have moved for a 1 month ban and whitelist strip. She did her job. 

Even the CE was baffled about why him and an officer were cutting their way into my core. This was a power play that had no reasoning behind it. Paranoid or not, you got a legit fax FROM CENTRAL saying it was fine. As Captain/Hos you are expected to listen to those. And as someone who plays Captain as well, that's not a hard statement to follow. And I've been told to Borg people on i200s before. It sucks, but that's the drawback. 

If my words hold any value to this complaint and the people in it, 1 week ban and a whitelist strip was fine. I dont think you need to be playing a Head of staff for a while. If ever again.  

[TheSleepyCatmom]

The CE never once questioned my request. If he did I'd have spoken to him about it and got alternatives. This never, once, happened. Noone questioned why I wanted it done, noone did anything. Generally speaking when you say something is fixed and you see things about it that aren't fixed or are irregular, you're going to believe it's not fixed. You yourself stated that you'd submit to a reset and what not. If that was done at all I'd have just rolled with the round. I wasn't told it was, it was never brought up again when I asked half an hour later (BYOND possibly ate it, I didn't see the message at all on my end and just presumed it went through, as it does sometimes because I have issues with dream seeker.)

 

I could have gone about carding you in a way that would have left someone able to be killed by hyperlethal turrets in the core extremely easily as a captain who is more concerned about their crew as an asset than the order from above, and in their opinion the best way they can serve NanoTrasen is to keep said crew safe. I am not suddenly lawed to follow Central's announcement's because I have an implant, it's just usually strange if I don't. I've also never ordered to my memory an AI's power cut before this, so I'm not sure where the 'this behavior in this manner has been seen before' is about, unless you're referencing the things I did well over a year ago now, which haven't been repeated at all and this isn't quite close to those either. I don't fight AIs, I don't ever go into the AI core, and in fact I only knew about those walls in the back recently because of Rosetango. Lest I wouldn't have even suggested they go in from back there.

 

It's not like we're all exempt from making bad decisions. But I don't see how me wanting to disable your weapons that you could use when I had no guarantee besides your word that you were still functioning properly, and the word of CC over an hour prior which was quickly disproved by cyborgs acting out and what not, I personally see it was justified to attempt to card you in a way that was safe for everyone involved, even if it disabled you for a few minutes as the CE went in there to get your depowered personality into a card to be repaired. If I was wrong I would have been wrong and punished by Central Command. If I wasn't I'd still probably be punished anyway for doing something to something they deemed 'fine'.

 

The expectation to listen to it is if it's not too far fetched. It was Yonni's attempt at explaining the situation. It explained it, sure, but it didn't make sense ICly. You cannot miraculously repair hardware like you can by just reuploading software. If it hadn't brought up hardware at all I'd have just went about my day, but it did, which seemed fishy to Phoebe. Regardless, I'm just trying to say that Central's word may be law, but an implant doesn't demand you follow that law to the letter. It suggests it may be a good thing to do, but suggestions aren't always on the forefront of someone's mind who's not in that best place at that time.

 

I would like to state I was never once ordered by Central Command to ignore the quirks, oddities, or other things going on. I was also told blatantly by the cyborg that was not linked to you, that was helping security, that was running around saying it was delawed, that you were exactly like the prior AI and were just being sneaky. Confirming Phoebe's paranoia. I trusted that cyborg more than I trusted the AI, because that Cyborg was the one that was helping us /disable/ the first AI, and the others weren't. Be that bad synth play or not, idk, I really just don't understand the argument. That's about all I really have to add to that.

[Pratepresidenten]

Hokay. after some deliberation with Synth, I have to agree with the whitelist strip that was done here. The distrust of Central's orders/confirmation as a loyalty implanted captain was the step that caused this issue.

Now, although you havent been getting into frequent trouble, there is a consistent pattern of bad command play over time that has been taken into consideration.

Losing your whitelist is not the end of the world, and its fairly easy to get back again.

So to summarize: The whitelist strip was indeed a valid one, and you can reapply again in about 3ish weeks.

 

Gonna close this one up in 24 hours.

Edited July 11, 2019 by Pratepresidenten