Make the Improvised SMG craftable

[DronzTheWolf]

For shame, it exists but it is not a recipe. Alas, I've finally cracked and said it, it needst be craftable. And I have an idea of how.

Carve the stock to a pistol grip, add the curved pipe/receiver, screwdriver to modify the receiver to be fully automatic, then add a rod for the bolt, then you add a pipe, add another rod for the grip, weld it, then it's done.

Edited September 3, 2019 by DronzTheWolf

[Sgtmind]

Could be interesting, though, realistically, there should be a chance to have a runaway fire. Also, kind of related, I’ve been trying to make a pistol, but I keep making a shotgun, what I am doing wrong?

[DronzTheWolf]

8 minutes ago, Sgtmind said:

Could be interesting, though, realistically, there should be a chance to have a runaway fire. Also, kind of related, I’ve been trying to make a pistol, but I keep making a shotgun, what I am doing wrong?

iirc the steps to make a pistol go as such:
Carve the rifle stock with a hatchet to make a pistol grip -> Add a receiver to a curved pipe and add that -> add a long pipe -> Weld it to cut the barrel down

[Sgtmind]

If we’re talking sub machine guns, they’ll need three parts to work, a bolt, a barrel and a receiver. Without those three parts, you ain’t gonna have a gun. I say an extra part you should have to find is a bolt, to balance the gun.

[DronzTheWolf]

9 hours ago, Sgtmind said:

If we’re talking sub machine guns, they’ll need three parts to work, a bolt, a barrel and a receiver. Without those three parts, you ain’t gonna have a gun. I say an extra part you should have to find is a bolt, to balance the gun.

Then you'd have to add an entirely new part for this one crafting recipe, something I'd like to avoid doing. The improv pistol works just fine without it, and the code technically calls it a 'machine pistol' because proper SMGs are for some reason rare. 

[geeves]

Can't you just use a metal rod as a bolt?

[DronzTheWolf]

17 hours ago, geeves said:

Can't you just use a metal rod as a bolt?

Why didn't I think of that? Time to change the recipe.

[DronzTheWolf]

After thinking on this more, I still say it'd be a good idea to take our little P.A. Luty gun and add it to the craftables roster. Otherwise it's just bloat. 

[DronzTheWolf]

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[wowzewow]

can you make it clear what the steps are?

like, wrench what, knife what in a nice orderly list

[DronzTheWolf]

Carve the stock to a pistol grip, using a hatchet.
Add the curved pipe/receiver to act as a barrel,
screwdriver to modify the receiver to be fully automatic, starting the transition from pistol to machinepistol,
 then add a rod for the bolt, since it'll need something better than the basic improv receiver,
 then you add a pipe for the longer barrel, weld it,
add another rod for the grip, weld it,
then it's done.

[Carver]

Why would it require a hatchet when crossbows, one of the older wood-using improv weapons, didn't need a hatchet to produce their frame?

[DronzTheWolf]

2 hours ago, Carver said:

Why would it require a hatchet when crossbows, one of the older wood-using improv weapons, didn't need a hatchet to produce their frame?

To cut the stock off. Like one does with the makeshift pistol, since the SMG/Machinepistol looks like a modified makeshift pistol.

[Carver]

Fair enough. I'd hope other tools like a circular saw or even a knife (whittling) may function in place of the hatchet.

[DronzTheWolf]

13 hours ago, Carver said:

Fair enough. I'd hope other tools like a circular saw or even a knife (whittling) may function in place of the hatchet.

That would be interesting. Too bad that, for now at least, the crafting system's pretty rigid. 

[Myazaki]

I feel like SMGs are rather harder to improvise than a shotgun.

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For shame, it exists

The item /obj/item/gun/projectile/automatic/improvised is *very* unfinished. I wouldn't say it exists

 

EDIT : Huh. This is a pretty old topic.. oops.

Edited July 25, 2020 by Myazaki

[KingOfThePing]

Dont worry, if you wouldn't have bumped it, I am sure Dronz would have. Eventually. And yes, the weapon exists and I disagree that SMGs are harder to improvise than shotguns, e.g. Modern Luty style SMGs are (partially) 3D printable. Really easy to assemble (they suck but thats not the point here). Problem nowadays, in some countries at least, is more the ammo than the gun itself.

So not unrealistic to improvise with the help of some tools in a future setting! ?

Edited July 25, 2020 by KingOfThePing

[Carver]

42 minutes ago, KingOfThePing said:

 e.g. Modern Luty style SMGs are (partially) 3D printable. Really easy to assemble (they suck but thats not the point here). Problem nowadays, in some countries at least, is more the ammo than the gun itself.

On the note of 3-D printable, wouldn't mind if some of the parts for these sorts of things require a hacked autolathe instead of random Engineers and Cargo workers assembling functional weaponry by hand alone.

[DronzTheWolf]

After thinking this over, I agree 3-D printing stuff would be a good idea. 
What got me to remember this thread is that I was playing around on a private server and noticed the improvised automatic was touched by the full auto update to actually be fully automatic. 

[DronzTheWolf]

Bumping this back up. Include it or remove it.