UnknownMurder Wiki Maintainer

[UnknownMurder]

Ckey/BYOND Username: UnknownMurder

Position Being Applied For: Wiki Maintainer

Past Experiences/Knowledge: I know web design with HTML/CSS/JS/PHP. I am not sure what experiences are you looking for exactly. It's HTML/CSS and they're the fundamentals.

Trial Mod: March 27, 2016 - May 19, 2016

1st CCIA Tenure: Unable to find my application tenure but if you ask @YouJustGotOwened, he will tell you that he pulled me in. Had to leave for academic reasons. 

2nd CCIA Tenure: December 10, 2017 - May 29, 2019. Left to work for the U.S. Government research.

Command Whitelist received on Feburary 27, 2016.

Examples of Past Work: Recently I just got on. Made a change proposal to main page. That was easy enough.

Additional Comments: I hope it helps me be more little involved in the developer aspect of the Aurora Station and prepares me to work with people in real life at a later time. I'm also seeking to do a project related to Aurora Station. I am known to be a supporter and help people whenever I can and available around Aurora Community.

Edited May 31, 2020 by UnknownMurder
Included my tenure as Staff and Successful Accomplish in Aurora Station Community.

[Chada1]

UnknownMurder is a v. dependable pal and I know he's v. good with HTML/CSS and stuff, he also used to be a CCIA for a loooong time so I think he can be trusted as an Aurora staff member. ?

[Coalf]

On 28/05/2020 at 00:12, UnknownMurder said:

I hope it helps me be more little involved in the developer aspect of the Aurora Station and prepares me to work with people in real life at a later time. I'm also seeking to do a project related to Aurora Station.

Just to clear up if there is any confusion, you won't really get involved in the development process.
We get information after development is finished, at the soonest when it's approved on the github and it just hasn't been implemented into the game yet, outside of that we have as much input and overview on development as you do right now.
If you are mainly interested in Projects/Development overall, you'd be better off trying for the Development team in terms of coding, rather than wiki development.

Further, for me the main thing is retention rather than skill and talent. While HTML/CSS/CBT is important to having a nice looking wiki, all of that can be taught, but retention can't.
The way you have phrased your application it seems like this is a short term thing for about a month or two, it's of course completely understandable that nobody wants to stay here forever and it's not a deal breaker, but I'd appreciate if I could get a more "concrete" time estimation on how long you plan to stick around.

[UnknownMurder]

11 hours ago, Coalf said:

Just to clear up if there is any confusion, you won't really get involved in the development process.

Confusion cleared. I was thinking of Web Interface thing was similar to Wiki or at least be involved with something. I've tried to understand the SS13 code (what does what again and how to create an instance scratch and see IT Project), it doesn't bode well. Best thing I could do is give something a sprite. I've made one/two PR. I'll be very honest with you, the code that I have learned my whole academic year and government research job and I'm known for excellent bug fixes, I don't think I will be to apply my skills on it as it appears to be somewhat ambiguous to me. Sometimes, I'm always on a lookout and checking in with #code channel in aurora discord and making some statements about code. Skull's lessons are for new coders. So, there you have it. The real reason I sought out for Wiki Maintainer somewhat hoping to see/try to get involved in some experience from coders working on the GitHub. Starting out as a contributer seems tough when you're on your own and everyone's busy doing their thing. I wouldn't mind applying for developer but I'll be assigned tasks but I wouldn't know how to handle from the start due to lack of understanding of byond ss13 code.

11 hours ago, Coalf said:

Further, for me the main thing is retention rather than skill and talent. While HTML/CSS/CBT is important to having a nice looking wiki, all of that can be taught, but retention can't.
The way you have phrased your application it seems like this is a short term thing for about a month or two, it's of course completely understandable that nobody wants to stay here forever and it's not a deal breaker, but I'd appreciate if I could get a more "concrete" time estimation on how long you plan to stick around.

For the wiki maintainer, what's laid in stone tenure is, I can give the entire summer dedicated to helping out because of more free time besides internship during the daytime. What is not laid in stone is continuing the wiki maintainer past end of September. The "concrete" time estimation would be the entire summer and time to wrap up the work sometime September (four months) to deliver to wiki maintainer. 

[Coalf]

On 01/06/2020 at 01:10, UnknownMurder said:

Confusion cleared. I was thinking of Web Interface thing was similar to Wiki or at least be involved with something. I've tried to understand the SS13 code (what does what again and how to create an instance scratch and see IT Project), it doesn't bode well. Best thing I could do is give something a sprite. I've made one/two PR. I'll be very honest with you, the code that I have learned my whole academic year and government research job and I'm known for excellent bug fixes, I don't think I will be to apply my skills on it as it appears to be somewhat ambiguous to me. Sometimes, I'm always on a lookout and checking in with #code channel in aurora discord and making some statements about code. Skull's lessons are for new coders. So, there you have it. The real reason I sought out for Wiki Maintainer somewhat hoping to see/try to get involved in some experience from coders working on the GitHub. Starting out as a contributer seems tough when you're on your own and everyone's busy doing their thing. I wouldn't mind applying for developer but I'll be assigned tasks but I wouldn't know how to handle from the start due to lack of understanding of byond ss13 code.

For the wiki maintainer, what's laid in stone tenure is, I can give the entire summer dedicated to helping out because of more free time besides internship during the daytime. What is not laid in stone is continuing the wiki maintainer past end of September. The "concrete" time estimation would be the entire summer and time to wrap up the work sometime September (four months) to deliver to wiki maintainer. 

Thank you for being so honest with me, but this is what has me worried.

I really can't offer you anything you describe there.
We look at the Github publicly available to everyone, we transcribe code, if we don't understand it we ask the developers. Ultimately our relationship with coders is about as deep as the players or contributors, if you ask they'll probably explain the code to you.

With all that cleared, I'd still be willing to accept you but I'd need a promise that you won't leave/become dead and innactive in a month or two of your existance.
 

[UnknownMurder]

8 hours ago, Coalf said:

With all that cleared, I'd still be willing to accept you but I'd need a promise that you won't leave/become dead and innactive in a month or two of your existance.

Certainly, I promise to being there for the community and for you during the summer time.  I won't leave/be dead/be inactive til the beginning of fall semester academics which is in middle of August and I'll start wrapping up work and I will continue to support until the end of August. This is a promise I can uphold you to. What I cannot promise you is keeping my wiki maintain activity high after August. 

Edited June 3, 2020 by UnknownMurder

[TravistyRavage]

If you can update robotics, chemistry and other heavily needed areas....



+1

[UnknownMurder]

@TravistyRavage

Most likely I'll just do what Coalf tells me what to do or where Coalf needs help the most on. No promises. 

[geeves]

A large part of being a wiki maintainer is also coordinating with the other teams, to get and validate information. This requires talking with people in both a formal and casual tone. In the past, when I was part of the CCIA, you appeared to talk down to me, and I felt belittled quite often when I asked questions and you replied. As such, I would rather not have you back in the staff team.

However, that was a long time ago. Do you feel you've improved your interpersonal skills? It's vital that all members of the staff work together like a slightly oiled machine. If you have improved, it'd be nice to have a new maintainer in our ranks, indeed.

[UnknownMurder]

Hey there, @geeves. Regarding the interpersonal skills, the below is the best answer I will provide to you.

I have started to get more involved with professionals and limited myself to do the best to use neutral vocabularies. Very few people in Aurora Station community have gotten the chance to see my research paper that I've done in Washington D.C., during my hiatus from Aurora Station for some quite of time. I think many people can note the change of my behavior from "OTAKU! OTAKU! I'M THE BEST OTAKU! I KNOW MANY ANIMES! YAS!" to "I like anime, how about you?" as if I've become more inclusive and prompt for people's response. I believe this is something that has improved overtime. Some may know I do bring things to people's attention via Discord when I make a message that responds to a recipient or refers to a recipient on Forums.

I'm unsure if there is a specific answer you are seeking for. If this is not it or what you mean by, I'm unsure what to tell you.

Edited June 10, 2020 by UnknownMurder
added a sentence/edit.

[Coalf]

On 10/06/2020 at 04:32, UnknownMurder said:

Hey there, @geeves. Regarding the interpersonal skills, the below is the best answer I will provide to you.

I have started to get more involved with professionals and limited myself to do the best to use neutral vocabularies. Very few people in Aurora Station community have gotten the chance to see my research paper that I've done in Washington D.C., during my hiatus from Aurora Station for some quite of time. I think many people can note the change of my behavior from "OTAKU! OTAKU! I'M THE BEST OTAKU! I KNOW MANY ANIMES! YAS!" to "I like anime, how about you?" as if I've become more inclusive and prompt for people's response. I believe this is something that has improved overtime. Some may know I do bring things to people's attention via Discord when I make a message that responds to a recipient or refers to a recipient on Forums.

I'm unsure if there is a specific answer you are seeking for. If this is not it or what you mean by, I'm unsure what to tell you.

I believe the question was more onto your behaviour towards what you at the time viewed as "junior staff" during your tenure as a CCIA, as a few people spoke that you had a pattern of being dismissive and "talking down" to people who you viewed as below you in seniority.
I was not involved in this much, I am mostly speaking from second hand accounts.

Wiki Team is one of those teams that deals with other departments daily and constantly, thus if something like this were to happen, I'd have a zero tolerance rule.

With all that said, there is nothing stopping me from accepting you. Nobody has come to me with a huge issue and while your behaviour in the past has been "different" to the standard, I'm a believer that past silghts should remain in the past.
Thus, after confirming you understand what I said, I won't have an issue in accepting you into the team.

[UnknownMurder]

I understand and acknowledge your statements. 

[Coalf]

Alrighty, application accepted.