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Player complaint Yermak Tursynbekov

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BYOND Key: moom241
Game ID: Most recent: caz-dqfe
Player Byond Key/Character name: I believe Alberyk/Yermak Tursynbekov
Staff involved: None, mutiple rounds
Reason for complaint: Violation of character creation rules: No insane characters. The character of Yermak is paranoid to the point of it being unrealistic for him to be employed, especially at a company he believes is being controlled by the sinister forces he prophecies about. This includes at one point calling for revolt against the command staff as a non-antagonist. This was during a non-canon round however, I believe the ID was cay-dJtn. Every round I've seen him active on, whether observing or in game, Yermak rants over the entertainment radio channel and sometimes the common channel about various conspiracy theories many of which involving his employers, Nanotrasen.
Did you attempt to adminhelp the issue at the time? If so, what was the known action taken by administration/moderation? No. I believe he is played by an admin and it felt like adminhelping to the player in question wouldn't end well.
Approximate Date/Time: Most recently was 2/12/2021 but he's been around for about a week before then.

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34 minutes ago, moom241 said:

This includes at one point calling for revolt against the command staff as a non-antagonist. This was during a non-canon round however

This only happened because the vampire of the round in question got out of the way to target and antagonize him. By telling him that the Raskaren, something similar to vampires in Tajaran mythology, existed and that no one would believe him, and then she used her powers to knock him out. He did not really call for mutiny at first, in fact he keep trying to talk with the captain about it, and rightfully so the captain ignored him until it escalated into her sending security after him. He would not just start trouble without the vampire starting it. In fact, he only begged for the crew to do something about command, he did not take any violent action against them. He would never try some kind of revolution out of nowhere.

34 minutes ago, moom241 said:

No insane characters.

Believing in conspiracy theory is not really a sign of insanity. If he was trying to attack people or planning to murder someone because of it, yes. There are countless examples of people in high places and that work just fine that spew some really crazy bullshit. It would be an issue if he was violent or outright schizophrenic, which is not the case here.

34 minutes ago, moom241 said:

The character of Yermak is paranoid to the point of it being unrealistic for him to be employed, especially at a company he believes is being controlled by the sinister forces he prophecies about.

I might have done this, but I don't remember at any point implying that NanoTrasen was working with them, the biggest targets of his conspiracy are the skrell, which he believes that manipulates nanotrasen and much other events in their favor. If anything, I think Yermak blamed eisten engines for the phoron situation. Also, I am unsure why it is unbelievable for characters working with nanotrasen to complain or don't agree with them, unless they are a captain or something.

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I think it is unbelievable for a character who believes that events are being manipulated to murder him would take a job working for a company he believes is under sway of the conspirators. Believing in conspiracy theories is one thing, but being so paranoid as to be incapable of living in a day-to-day manner is insanity. During the the round today I recall Yermak stating that he refused to get his oven repaired as he believed the repairman would plant a bomb in the oven. That's delusional to the point of non-functioning.

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6 hours ago, moom241 said:

I think it is unbelievable for a character who believes that events are being manipulated to murder him would take a job working for a company he believes is under sway of the conspirators. Believing in conspiracy theories is one thing, but being so paranoid as to be incapable of living in a day-to-day manner is insanity.

Nowhere it implies that he acted like that when he was hired or joined the corporation, people can just change/develop a condition for several reason. I might argue that he is not even that far because he can still trust some people around him without outright thinking they are trying to murder him or something , and do his job just as fine as a cargo technician unless some wacky events happens, such as the case of the vampire round in question. And above all, he needs to eat and NanoTrasen is portrayed as being the main employer in the system. People can still be hypocrites and doublethink this kind of stuff.

6 hours ago, moom241 said:

During the the round today I recall Yermak stating that he refused to get his oven repaired as he believed the repairman would plant a bomb in the oven. That's delusional to the point of non-functioning.

In the same conversation he also explained he does not go hungry because he has a microwave and was later convinced by someone else to just go repair the oven in question, which clearly indicates that Yermak is not an unchangable wall of insanity that can't be saved or argued with over trivial things.

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I was the Captain in this round, honestly his gimmick of being a fucking Alex Jones of Tajara is really funny. His gimmick on that round was totally valid because he was intentionally targeted by the Liason vampire and Captain Astrava being a person who obviously does not believe in vampires called him crazy and had him arrested, intentionally shutting him down and not believing him. Obviously oocly I knew it was vamp by this point but there was never any tangible proof, thus rendering him utterly silenced in an organization that he now believes to be controlled by malign forces. Honestly this feels totally IC and there's much dumber characters that are currently employed by NT on the Aurora in the cargo department. 

He never actually hurt anyone and if I really felt like it I could have just gone to telecomms and physically shut off the entertainment channel - he's remarked on his conspiracies on other rounds but never to a disruptive intensity. This just felt like a really good antag gimmick to fuck with him and a well RPed response honestly.

EDIT: for context shutting him down was IC escalation for him to then say "WHY WON'T YOU BELIEVE ME?!?!?!!?!??!" and all escalation of security response because of his actions was all very equaled out, and of course anyone can just turn off the entertainment channel and ignore he exists like all chaplains. 

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Just posting to say I'll give this a few days before posting a verdict. The wait is primarily to see if there are other testimonies out there from people that are related to this incident. 

If you are unsure if you're able to post your input here, you're free to contact me on the forums or on discord Aboshehab#0211 even if you just want to be safe. 

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On 13/02/2021 at 19:15, Lmwevil said:

I was the Captain in this round, honestly his gimmick of being a fucking Alex Jones of Tajara is really funny. His gimmick on that round was totally valid because he was intentionally targeted by the Liason vampire and Captain Astrava being a person who obviously does not believe in vampires called him crazy and had him arrested, intentionally shutting him down and not believing him.


He never actually hurt anyone and if I really felt like it I could have just gone to telecomms and physically shut off the entertainment channel - he's remarked on his conspiracies on other rounds but never to a disruptive intensity. This just felt like a really good antag gimmick to fuck with him and a well RPed response honestly.
 

Hi I also played this round and many more. I want to address two points in this both in agreement with some of the above and also elaboration that I think is needed.

Firstly I do not think Yermak is just space Alex Jones. I have been observing their roleplay and have interacted with them at several points through several several rounds. Their conspiracy theories are wacky, sure, but they're always immersed in lore elements and engaging to anyone that wishes to interact with them. But the character does exist beyond his conspiracies. They have likes, dislikes, opinions, negative traits such as mild racism, Tajaran propaganda influence, along with more. I do not think this goes beyond our definition of reasonable characters.

This leads into the next point of him being disruptive this round and going full bunker mode. A vamp clearly went after him and failed or whatever. Instead of going to most obvious routes as every vampire rounds go of SEC HELP MAINT, they used IC elements such as Raskaren lore and other elements to try and rally his common man against what they perceived as an unholy threat. They were being shut down by command and assumed command was involved. It all seemed very IC, even more so than just ha ha funny crazy conspiracy meme.

The char may be a bit more out there then our standard average joe Auroran, but I have enjoyed their presence and have not seen them as rule breaking in any of my experiences with them. 

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Having played this particular round and quite a few others with Yermak in Cargo, I'd like to echo some of what Bear and Lmwevil has said. The character utilizes lore and the world outside the station to a high extent. And while utilizing that, they're near constantly inciting interaction and roleplay not only with the people in their department, but the whole station through the use of the entertainment channel. I find it enjoyable and impressive.

I can also attest that Yermak does do his job as a Cargo Technician. Including sorting the warehouse, approving orders, retrieving bounties and etc. He doesn't let his opinions and theories get in the way of him being a financial gain for NanoTrasen, so why should management care about what he thinks and says, really? He is after all just another lowly cargo tech, not exactly a representative.

Deleting Yermak and stating that future characters like Yermak will be deleted wouldn't be a positive thing for the server at all, in my opinion.

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So based on the round logs and observation over a number of rounds, I believe that Yermak does not violate any of our server rules in terms of quality of character.

Yermak while dipping into the aesthetic of a paranoid conspiracy theorist do so in a way I don't feel is obnoxious to disrupt rounds or unrealistic in that it removes immersion. The character chooses to live differently and is able to engage/discuss things with the crew. They aren't hostile or aggressive in that they cannot conduct their work to an acceptable standard and do not attack people.

The cited round showed vampire interaction to amplify their paranoia especially with security trying to capture them. Even during the chase, it does not look like Yermak even resorted to using force to defend themselves, rather relying on evasion to avoid being captured. So the more proactive speaking against the establishment was something that was brought on by an antagonist targeting Yermak, and even then Yermak tried to reason with command.

Going to treat this as resolved. Will lock and archive in 24 hours.

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