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[Resolved] Player complaint - Royalanimal72/Kelvin Morris

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BYOND Key: Ricky Madenson
Game ID: cb8-dlYl
Player Byond Key/Character name: Royalanimal72 / aka Kelvin Morris
Staff involved: None
Reason for complaint: Right, so my problem with Kelvin Morris is that he is this season's example of a non-character that solely exists to house the antag powers, and I will explain through the following recent round. 

I'd have almost mistaken this round to be an extended round, but somewhere midway into this round my character, Eva Meier, received a message from the head of security that some suspicions were raised around Kelvin Morris. Apparently, he was MOSTLY vacant from his job, and some allegations were thrown at him for wanting to injure/harm another crew member. It was taken with some lightness because we're supposed to assume everybody is here to work, and without substantial evidence security couldn't just run in and demand anything from them (even tho the HoS offered Meier all the means to investigate it). 

It's not until late into the 2 hour mark when things actually begin to transpire, and the worst thing is that it wasn't even because of his hands. Security was on the lookout solely because a helpful assistant tipped off that Buck Thomspon was missing from the sensors, as was Morris. Assumptions based on previous testimonies from an assistant who had seen the two before led security to the tunnels, where they eventually found Thompson severily injured. Security assumed quickly that it was Morris' doing, and fingerprint evidence confirmed this along with the fact that Morris started using his vampire powers to phase through walls and avoid security. He avoids, then proceeds to phase through the transfer shuttle walls while he can htich a ride with the shuttle back to Odin where he proceeds to use his phasing ability again to avoid capture...while being a space station with stricter security than even Aurora...

The main problem with his playstyle is that it embodies a speck of what antagonists on Aurora are meant to be about; To create a compelling narrative that swipes in most people. Sure, the outcome and player feedback is subjective and can sway depending on people's experiences, but at the end of the day the narrative remains the fundamental part. Morris, however, has displayed little to no concern with upholding one and seems more keen an using it as an 'excuse' to go on antagging. 

How many times can people count up the times Kelvin Morris was found wearing highgrade armor while being on his way through the hallways (most likely to the bridge?). How many times can people count whenever Kelvin Morris refuses to do his regular job for 1 hour, then seemingly cryo's because, guess what, RNGesus didn't hand him his blessings for an antag roll this time. It has reached an excruciating point where anybody could meta if Kelvin is even within the vicinity of cargo to guess whether or not he's an antagonist. He does this the majority of times, and will use any tool necessary to the point of (borderline) powergaming to accomplish adding another point to his "win-ratio". After all, WHY ELSE would a wanted figure hitch a ride with a transfer shuttle a more secure facility other than to confirm his EoR survival (fled the station) prompt at the end of the round? Just to illustrate what I'm talking about, see the image below where he can be seen phased into a wall to avoid security capture while riding along.

My suggestion to solve the issue is to hand an antag ban and force the player to come to terms that this server is more than just a "free game" for antags. This should provide him an opportunity to prove he is well capable of creating somewhat of an established character with a personality, aims and a presence that doesn't scream *ANTAG TIME*.

Did you attempt to adminhelp the issue at the time? If so, what was the known action taken by administration/moderation? As all of this happened at the foot-end of the round, I thought it would be more appropriate to make this into a complaint in order to not delay the round. It's also a rather long going issue with the player themselves.
Approximate Date/Time: May 20th, around 1:40 AM UTC + 1

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Edited by Aboshedab
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@MattAtlas and I will take this complaint. 

We would like to remind people to only post if they are involved or some form of evidence they would like to share. If you are unsure on the validity of your post, contact either of us to verify it for you before posting. 

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There's a lot to unpack in this complaint, but I'll try to be brief.

-I do not agree with your assessment that Kelvin is a non-character meant to house the "Antag" powers as you say. I do have a character for him he has a personality, likes and dislikes, and friends.
 
-As for the round mentioned, there was a lot of roleplay leading up to Thompson's near death, I telegraphed early in the round that Kelvin was out to get him, and it involved the entire cargo department, that was close to full at the time. Events including arguments at the cargo desk, a meeting with the quartermaster and a would be meeting with the captain.

-The reason I was using vampire powers was to avoid a fight with security. While I do agree that staying in the walls in the transfer shuttle was kind of bad on my side, my intention was to make a scene similar to a horror movie where the monster gets through a seemingly impenetrable defense and escapes. I could have made this more clear.

-While I sometimes cryo about an hour in after there's been little going on in cargo and I'm getting bored, it is not particularly uncommon practice, indeed a lot of players do this,  it is NOT because I didn't roll antag, although it would be bad manners to do so if I had rolled antag.

-It is hard to defend myself against sweeping statements like this:
"It has reached an excruciating point where anybody could meta if Kelvin is even within the vicinity of cargo to guess whether or not he's an antagonist. He does this the majority of times, and will use any tool necessary to the point of (borderline) powergaming to accomplish adding another point to his "win-ratio"

And I feel that Ricky does not provide sufficient evidence to back it up. In general, I feel the complaint is very aggressively worded. I did get positive feedback from people playing cargo for the round in question.
To conclude, I think it ultimately would've been a better move to talk to me directly through DMs about any concerns rather than writing up a public complaint.

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On 23/05/2021 at 10:16, Royalanimal72 said:

-As for the round mentioned, there was a lot of roleplay leading up to Thompson's near death, I telegraphed early in the round that Kelvin was out to get him, and it involved the entire cargo department, that was close to full at the time. Events including arguments at the cargo desk, a meeting with the quartermaster and a would be meeting with the captain.

As the Captain during this round, I'd like to defend Royal a bit that there was a lot of issues stemming out of cargo during his antaggary and it seemed like, from my perspective, the department was melting down. The QM was screaming in comms. Sadly, I had to dip right when I called them into my office. But I will agree that there was a lot of roleplay leading up to whatever happened.

 

Otherwise, I don't have anything else to add. 

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As the player of Buck Thompson, the character whom nearly died, I'd like to backup what Sonic and Royal themselves said about the amount of roleplay that went on in cargo as a result of Kelvin's antagonism. And it did involve arguments, meetings with the QM, and eventual meetings with the captain. Practically the whole round had lead up to Kelvin's attempted murder so honestly, I don't personally view this complaint as necessary, as I don't consider Royal's behavior during the round to be egregious enough to warrant it.

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I, too, was around Kelvin for a large portion of the round as miner Vera Chernikova. Without a doubt, I can confirm that much of the round was spent building up to Buck's eventual downfall. Providing a story for the entire station to enjoy when antagging can be difficult with antags on this scale, but they provided plenty of opportunities within their own department for interaction, which is a much more achievable goal. If any more evidence is required, the entire chat log from Vera's perspective is saved, and can be sent to any who request it through DMs.

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To summarize the complaint, it can be divided into three parts.

1- Questionable antagonist gameplay. We looked into this and based the logs and testimony of people present, we do not feel there was anything that justifies us pursuing it and that they played appropriately. In the future, we encourage people to ahelp the incidents even at round end, while we do sometimes ask people to write complaints complaints, it is possible we have either already handled it or we have seen enough that we can handle your ticket quickly if brought up. So best to always ahelp to make sure.

2- Antag fishing. While it is not allowed to simply afk in hopes of getting an antagonist role, we didn't find anything from what round ID's were delivered to us. If you do see anyone just sitting around for extended period of times without notice or even with notice if it happens too many times, make a ticket and we'll look into it. 

3- Teleporting into walls. Alberyk took a ticket regarding this and decided the way solve this was to handle it from a mechanical perspective, as in people won't be able to do this anymore.

On the other hand, this is primarily for @Ricky_the_banshee. The complaint was worded in a very accusatory and melodramatic way, in the future try to be concise and focus on pointing us at logs, evidence or people that can provide insight on the round itself, anything that we can reference as a point of investigation. 

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How many times can people count up the times Kelvin Morris was found wearing highgrade armor while being on his way through the hallways (most likely to the bridge?). How many times can people count whenever Kelvin Morris refuses to do his regular job for 1 hour, then seemingly cryo's because, guess what, RNGesus didn't hand him his blessings for an antag roll this time. It has reached an excruciating point where anybody could meta if Kelvin is even within the vicinity of cargo to guess whether or not he's an antagonist. He does this the majority of times, and will use any tool necessary to the point of (borderline) powergaming to accomplish adding another point to his "win-ratio". After all, WHY ELSE would a wanted figure hitch a ride with a transfer shuttle a more secure facility other than to confirm his EoR survival (fled the station) prompt at the end of the round? Just to illustrate what I'm talking about, see the image below where he can be seen phased into a wall to avoid security capture while riding along.

This was wholly unnecessary as it did not point us to anything that we can really investigate. The other paragraphs could have also been trimmed down. It was also aggressive when there was no need to. 

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This was wholly unnecessary as it did not point us to anything that we can really investigate. The other paragraphs could have also been trimmed down. It was also aggressive when there was no need to. 

Reading it in retrospect has me agreeing wholefully here.

I'd like to apologize @Royalanimal72 for the unneeded written assault of junk text added to this complaint. I'd like to just wave it off as a collective heap of frustration coming outwards at a singular moment, but naturally that wouldn't absolve of the accusetory attitude that I've displayed on it. 

And as a future note, I'll take the feedback into account and avoid  "hostile filler" if I ever were to write a complaint of any sorts again.

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