Allow surgeons to work with prosthetic/mechanical organs

[Omicega]

See title. According to the current wiki chart, surgeons can't repair or basically in any way interact with a patient's prosthetic organs. It is so immensely stupid to have to headhunt a roboticist to smear nanopaste on these things -- robotics doesn't even have an official surgery theatre for operating on organic patients, either, since their only sterile room is specifically labelled as a cyborgification bay. You cannot tell me with a straight face that qualified surgeons in the twenty-fifth century aren't in any way trained in handling mechanical organs installed into organic personnel; not in an era where this kind of augmentation is commonplace.

If anything, it's robotics that has way too wide of a scope compared to any mechanical job, now, since apparently every roboticist can (and should?) have a skillset ranging from constructing full-on exosuits, working with integrated circuitry, and then sticking their hands inside someone's chest cavity to work with mechanical organs. I really don't think it's out of the scope of acceptability to allow surgeons to work with mechanical lungs, hearts etc. in addition to what they currently do.

[Pratepresidenten]

Surgeons are more than welcome to smear nanopaste everywhere. They're just not allowed to mechanically install or repair synthetic organs and parts outside of the paste.

The nanites does the work, not the surgeon.

[stev]

3 hours ago, Pratepresidenten said:

Surgeons are more than welcome to smear nanopaste everywhere. They're just not allowed to mechanically install or repair synthetic organs and parts outside of the paste.

The nanites does the work, not the surgeon.

If this is the case, could we get it on the wiki somewhere? There's a lot on the surgery chart that depends on a very specific interpretation of the writing, and I feel like this particular case is pretty unobvious (is that a word? who knows) with just the current information regarding the chart.

Edited September 3, 2021 by stev

[Carver]

I'd quite prefer if the installation was on the surgeon, given I don't want to be cutting into organics as a roboticist to install stuff that would essentially double the educational requirements of the role (realistically these fuckers should be minimum mid-30s with all they're expected to know). Interdepartmental reliance is at an all-time low for robotics.

[Pratepresidenten]

2 hours ago, stev said:

If this is the case, could we get it on the wiki somewhere? There's a lot on the surgery chart that depends on a very specific interpretation of the writing, and I feel like this particular case is pretty unobvious (is that a word? who knows) with just the current information regarding the chart.

Can probably get it on a wiki somewhere, but I do feel it could be discussed further to iron it out or something.

[Faye <3]

it's kind of ass to tell someone they're shit out of luck if there's no roboticist and the patient has ruined organs. additionally, i've seen several roboticists refuse to help medical with organs because their character doesn't ic'ly know how, which is entirely valid. the whole thing exists in this rlly weird grey area imo. in real life, we have prosthetics that graft directly into the bone. the surgery to connect the prosthetic to the bone is done by the surgeons, and the actual design and such of the prosthetic is done by orthotists. it goes the same with organs, a separate group assigns and produces the prosthetic organ, and surgeons install it. realism shouldn't be the onus in aurora medical, but in this case i think that the divide between the roboticist being able to only install prosthetics is extremely whack. additionally, aurora medical can be pretty unforgiving depending on how badly someone is injured. i've seen many times where i've had to find a roboticist and order them to medical only for the patient to die in the meantime.

why should it not be the same here? a surgeon wouldn't be designing the prosthetic heart / lung / liver / limb, they would just know how to connect it and get it working. medical would still have to ask robotics to make the part, additionally. if we'd want to compromise, why not make it so you have to see a roboticist for external prosthetic limbs? you won't die from not having an arm, but you will die from missing an organ.

and, yeah, surgeons have always been able to smear nanopaste on stuff. i've even done it on my physician, but it's extremely vague on the wiki and should be specifically noted imo.

[Carver]

10 hours ago, Faye &lt;3 said:

why should it not be the same here? a surgeon wouldn't be designing the prosthetic heart / lung / liver / limb, they would just know how to connect it and get it working. medical would still have to ask robotics to make the part,

This is more or less how it worked for years until the chart was added, so I have genuinely no idea why it was suddenly restricted. Medical needs new parts, they request them from Robotics (interdepartmental reliance!), Robotics has them delivered and the Surgeons proceed with their duties as per usual. As well as that as a roboticist I'd often have surgeons perform any brain removals for production of cyborgs.

As it stands it feels like the Roboticist has so many qualifications that they're practically at the level of a Research Director, and would have at least 3 or 4 doctorates just for the 'needs' of their role. I really don't feel they should even have a surgery room, perhaps a table with a modified sprite and none of the typical functions (knockout/painkillers, health monitor) needed for true surgery, just something that allows for repairs on IPCs and damaged prosthetic limbs only.

[Arrow768]

With the NBT there will be changes to the job structure and this will most likely be implemented.

[Faye <3]

17 hours ago, Arrow768 said:

With the NBT there will be changes to the job structure and this will most likely be implemented.

glad to hear it! ty ❤️