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BYOND Key: Korinra
Staff BYOND Key: Roostercat12
Game ID: ceW-atkB
Reason for complaint: During the round he pinged me to tell me what someone was accusing me of. I denied it as it was untrue. Roostercat12 then called me a liar (even though I didn't once lie), and proceeded to label me as being a dick for daring to be upset about being called a liar by someone who refused to look at logs to confirm the situation. I challenged him to look at the logs and confirm my story, which he refused to do and told me I'd be issued a warning.
Evidence/logs/etc: I don't have access to the logs, but I assume all the evidence you'd need is there since I remained completely honest.
Additional remarks: Officers arrested someone in game, then dumped them on me (warden) to process. The processing steps are in the Officer wiki, so it seems to me that it's the job of the Officer to follow the steps on their job page. I went ahead and did the processing until a Command member yelled at me for doing a strip search (I was changing the suspect into prison oranges). I stepped aside and allowed a volunteering officer finish where I left off. Turns out the suspect had contraband so everyone blamed me for not taking it, and I said I couldn't since a command member told me to stop, and I was obeying command.

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Right. I have screenshots of the entire ticket here. To reiterate, this entire ticket was for something else entirely, and you went of a large tangent, with an extremely aggressive attitude, over a minor thing. 

[Note: Screenshots removed in favor of logs below]

These screenshots show your horrid attitude over something very minor, show you dodging the questions in the ticket, and show that I never once insulted you, and I did actually look at the logs for the door, stating that the only log present (in this case the fingerprint log) was well before the ticket was opened. I tried to go back to the original ticket topic, but you kept going back to this. I still see nothing wrong with my actions, not to mention I did not even punish you for any of this, even though in hindsight I probably should have, so I do not understand the point of this complaint.

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First, that's not the whole ticket, you can see we're mid-conversation on the first post where I'm asking you a question. Where's the rest of the ticket and why isn't that included?

I feel like the logs show OUR horrid attitude. As I stated in the ticket, I acknowledge that I was being abrasive both IC and in the ticket. When people call me a liar with no evidence when evidence exists to back up my claim, I feel justified in being upset that the person refuses to do due diligence before making a bold faced libelous claim about me.

I never once went on a tangent like you're trying to pose, you made a claim about me, I called BS on it and explained where I was and justified why I was there. That's not a tangent, that's a response to an accusation.

I call shenanigans. I was in the armory when you pinged me. Someone mentioned that a Visitor threw two flashbangs so I went to check if the flashbang spares in the armory got raided since originally I stated only armor was taken. I found the box was full, checked the other boxes for missing gear then went back to my desk. But answer me something. You kept accusing me of "not doing my job", but you also state that after checking you DO in fact see that I was doing my job. In fact while we were talking I also got the recovered armor and put it BACK in the armory, something tells me you didn't account for that while siding with the person who accused me of not doing my job.

Here's the problem, I'm being accused for not doing my job because I stopped searching someone after a Command member told me not to. I'm going to quote from the SECURITY job (not the Warden) what to do after an arrest is made);
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Processing

Ensure Warden is aware of the incoming prisoner.
Bring prisoner to processing/booking room. Leave secured if violent/repeat offender.
Check prisoner’s pockets (coat/jumpsuit), pack, and any containers within the pack.
Confiscate any contraband/evidence found. Note: Evidence must have pertinence to the case. If there is no direct correlation, evidence should be returned to the person or respective department.
Inform the prisoner's superior of the arrest.
Use the sentencing console with the id-card of the prisoner to generate an "Incident Summary" which is used to set the cell timers.
If the prisoner is lacking an id-card, inform the warden so they can use one of their blank id-cards to imprint their biometrics on them and sentence them accordingly.
Proceed to ‘Jailing’.
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So since it's the job of the arresting officer to notify the Warden, then process the inmate, why are you even bothering to accuse me of not doing my job when the whole thing started with me ALSO doing the Security Officer's job, and only stopping when a member of COMMAND told me not to. The officer volunteered to take over, I stepped out of the cell, dropped the prisoner uniform, and stated that I wanted the inmate to be wearing prison gear (because even if they escape it has the uniform tracking on it locked to full).

To quote what Warden's job is with regard to prisoners;
Half of your job is to look after the prisoners; make sure they aren't abused or given unfair sentences and that they don't escape. The other half of your job is to arm security with weapons in emergencies. You are not a Security Officer and should not leave the brig if possible. However, you may operate as an officer shall the need arise, under the permission of your HoS.
The reason it says the underlined part is that I'm not supposed to be sentencing and processing inmates, I'm supposed to be overseeing it as a third party with interest of fairness to the law and the inmate respectively. If you're going to come at me for not doing my job, let me ask you again since you never answered me in the ticket, what aspect of my job did I not do? Obviously I was doing rounds on the armory to notice there was a break in. Obviously I was keeping up with paperwork since I was the one who put in the arrest warrant for Aimee. I was also walking the halls to make sure Aimee didn't escape because at one point I popped on cameras and saw her suspiciously standing up against the Windoor. I'm probably the only Warden on the station who even equipped the Warden bot for the inmate mining station in case someone ended up mining there. So tell me, what did I not do as the Warden?

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To add a little more context to my claim, this is ALSO written in the SECURITY OFFICER guide;

The Brig
For more detailed instructions, see Standard Security Procedures. For a summary read below.
The Warden runs this within this area. He has authority over Security Officers within this area. The Brig itself has cells and cell timers.
As the arresting officer, you have certain responsibilities. As always, following the protocol will keep you safe, the station secure, and the criminals in line. Follow it closely.
1. While the prisoner is still handcuffed, search them. Repeat offenders or those charged with extremely serious crimes should be stripped and redressed in the prison orange. Inform the prisoner and the other security personnel what is happening, and what the prisoner's charges are. Evidence goes in the evidence locker, hazardous chemicals should be stored to later be spaced, and all other materials go in the brig locker with the prisoner. The headset should only be taken if the prisoner is using it to incite rebellion, harassing other crew members, or as an additional punishment for repeat offences.
2. Lock the Locker with your identification, remove your prisoner's handcuffs, and stand in the doorway to prevent escape while you set the time. The doors will not close and lock if a time has not been set in. Consult Corporate Regulations for proper sentencing. If the prisoner makes to escape, flash them with the brig's flash controls. They will even reach to just outside the cell doors. Remember that escape attempts are an additional crime under Corporate Regulations. Do NOT leave the prisoner handcuffed in his cell, unless you have very good reason to believe they are dangerous.
3. Never open the cell door when the prisoner is standing right on the other side. Require them to step back to the bed. This will allow you to react if they attack or attempt to escape. Even trustworthy prisoners may turn at any second. When in doubt, flash the cell.
4. You must be there when the prisoner's time is up to return their gear and escort them out of the brig. Failure to do this may in some cases result in your dismissal or attack.

The problem is, with how old the server is, people have just slowly stopped following SOPs entirely for Security and since the Wiki isn't being updated, I don't see how it's my fault for not knowing unwritten rules. Either the Wiki is incorrect and I'm being unfairly expected to know unwritten rules, or the Wiki is right and thus so am I for following it.

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Since screenshots arnt the ideal format for logs I removed them and looked up the logs for the ticket.
Note that I will not be handling the complaint.

PM: Roostercat12->Korinra: Hi. Got a minute?
PM: Korinra->Roostercat12: Sure
PM: Korinra->Roostercat12: Roostercat? Did you still need me?
PM: Roostercat12->Korinra: There are some concerns with your Warden play. Namely that you are being very obstructive, and not listening to anyone, including command. Some examples given were not searching a detainee and flipping out when it was suggested that someone else should search a prisoner because of sex related issues. Is this true?
PM: Korinra->Roostercat12: I tried searching until a Comand member told me not to, so I left it to the officer. According to the Wiki it's up to the officer anyway, I did it as a courtesy.
PM: Roostercat12->Korinra: Right, I am being told you were being OBSTRUCTIVE to the process, however. Throwing fits at command orders etc. That being said, can you give your side of the story as to what has happened with this search in particular?
PM: Korinra->Roostercat12: What did I do that was obstructive? I did a search, was yelled at for doing the search by a Command member,  then an officer offered to do it and I stepped out of the cell and dropped the prisoner clothing for her to take over.
PM: Korinra->Roostercat12: I literally did nothing to stop people from doing their job, just called them on it after it was done that they should have done it from the start.
PM: Korinra->Roostercat12: According to the wiki the OFFICER does searches, but they dumped an inmate on me without a word and just left. So I got yelled at for doing their job, then I let them do it.
PM: Roostercat12->Korinra: Im being told that you have refused to do all other aspects of being a Warden as a result of this, though.
PM: Korinra->Roostercat12: What aspect of being a warden did I refuse to do?
PM: Korinra->Roostercat12: Even when you pinged me I was doing a search of the armory and a brig sweep. I was literally DOING my job when you contacted me. I STILL am while talking to you. It kind of sounds like they lied to you to make me look bad.
PM: Roostercat12->Korinra: When I pinged you, yo uwere sitting in the Warden's office.
PM: Korinra->Roostercat12: Bullshit I was in the armory and MOVED to my office
PM: Korinra->Roostercat12: In fact they're not doing THEIR job right now. They just put somoene in the brig without notifying me, so ... who's demonstrably not doing their job?
PM: Roostercat12->Korinra: Do not try and claim bullshit here. I know what I saw. Aside from that, I have multiple people claiming you have refused to do searches after this as a result, such as the second time that person was brought in. As a side note, you were being told not to STRIP SEARCH the person, not to stop searching entirely.
PM: Korinra->Roostercat12: Fuck that I was in the armory I CHALLENGE you to look at the logs of doors opened.
PM: Korinra->Roostercat12: I had JUST finished doing a sweep of the armory because they mentioned flash bangs and I went in to check the spare boxes.
PM: Roostercat12->Korinra: Drop the attitude and focus on the ticket, please.
PM: Korinra->Roostercat12: Then have mutual respect and stop falsly accusing me.
PM: Korinra->Roostercat12: I know where I was and you saying otherwise is disrespectful. Logs exist, if you think I'm lying then go confirm it.
PM: Korinra->Roostercat12: So now you've come to me to tell me what "You've been told" several times. I don't care what a namesless faceless accuser is saying about me. Do you have an accusation of something I did wrong or are you just pinging me to tell me someone else is butthurt about me being abrassive in-character too?
PM: Korinra->Roostercat12: Because so far this whole ticket has just been you telling me someone else told you stuff that isn't verified nor even true. Then you accusing me of lying to you which is also untrue. I'm sure you can understand why I'm quite upset.
PM: Roostercat12->Korinra: The point of this ticket has been to ascertain whether or not you have even broken a rule, so far. I am saying "I've been told" because it is not proven, and I have been asking you questions for answers to better perform that goal. You are getting upset for no reason, and the only log on the door is well before this ticket started. That being said, cool your attitude, and answer my questions. Have you refused to do anything Warden related after this incident?
PM: Korinra->Roostercat12: Ok so let me cut to the simple answer then. Someone told you I broke a rule, I've told you I haven't. Now that we got passed the he-said she-said, where do we go from here?
PM: Korinra->Roostercat12: I already told you I was doing my job when you pinged me. So I am not sure why you asked that again by the way (sorry for skipping over that)
PM: Roostercat12->Korinra: Right. What I have been told on your side and from everyone else's side is more or less the same, but in the future, note that it is generally expected of Wardens to perform searches and to handle processing in general, as that is the entire job Wardens are being paid for.  Other than that, there were no real rule breaks here aside from your attitude.  The number one rule is Don't Be a Dick, and your attitude in tickets is definitely not looking well for that. I will not give you a warning for it this time, but know that you will likely be warned if you keep it up. All clear?
PM: Korinra->Roostercat12: So i get called a liar with no evidence and I'm the dick. OK just making sure on that.
PM: Roostercat12->Korinra: You are pushing your luck. Do you have any other questions before I close the ticket?
PM: Korinra->Roostercat12: Even though evidence exists in my favor. I'm the dick for not just accepting false claims about me
PM: Korinra->Roostercat12: Nope I'm good, no questions.

 

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The reason I kept out the rest of the ticket was because prior to that was the beginning of the ticket. it doesn't have anything important in it, as you can clearly see. In addition, you DID go on a tangent, as, again, everyone can clearly see. You started ranting about what was essentially a side comment as I repeatedly tried to get back to the actual issue. 

I am also not at fault for the fact you were Ahelped to begin with, as you are tying to insue. We got the ticket, I took it, and tried to figure out what happened and if you broke any rules. I decided you didn't, and closed the ticket. All that said, this complaint still makes very little sense.

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Thanks for the full log Arrow.

There IS a significant reason I wanted the full log, first of all. You keep talking about where I was when we started talking but you know how I know you weren't on top of me? Because you're wrong about where I was. In fact I know when you aghosted to me and the log shows it too.

PM: Roostercat12->Korinra: Hi. Got a minute?
PM: Korinra->Roostercat12: Sure
PM: Korinra->Roostercat12: Roostercat? Did you still need me?

See here in the first three lines? I finished my look in the armory, didn't hear back from you, then went back to my office and sat down to ask if you still needed me.

I never once insinuated that you were the reasong I was Ahelped and don't put words into my mouth thank you very much. Sorry if you don't understand all that's been said in this ticket, but it very much does make sense, I just feel like you can't or won't look at it from my perspective.

1) I got bwoinked because someone said I "refused to do anything a warden is tasked to do".
PM: Roostercat12->Korinra: There are some concerns with your Warden play. Namely that you are being very obstructive, and not listening to anyone, including command. Some examples given were not searching a detainee and flipping out when it was suggested that someone else should search a prisoner because of sex related issues. Is this true?
I DID search until Command told me to stop, at which end I DID stop. So I DID listen to Command, I TRIED to search. All I said about the sex issue is that I don't care about gender if the officer dumps an inmate on me and leaves, I'm going to search them. The fact is, it's up to the OFFICER to do the search according to the Wiki, so it's not my job in the first place. Me going out of my way to do an Officer's job then getting Bwoinked because a Command member yelled at me for doing it... REALLY think about that from my perspective.

2) The only accusations I've made against you were poor behavior like myself, falsely calling me a liar, and calling me a dick.

3) PM: Roostercat12->Korinra: Im being told that you have refused to do all other aspects of being a Warden as a result of this, though.
PM: Korinra->Roostercat12: What aspect of being a warden did I refuse to do?
I asked multiple times what aspects I wasn't doing and never got an answer. Want to annoy someone very quickly, make a vague accusation against them and then refuse to specify. Here's how you properly handle that as an admin;
Ticketer; Hi, Korinra isn't performing his duties as a Warden
Staff: Which duties is he not performing
Ticketer: He didn't search an inmate and he didn't listen to Command
Staff: Ok, did he refuse to do anything else?
Ticketer: Everything
Staff: Can you give another example?
Ticketer: Nope (I read the logs of what they said, the ONLY specific they gave was the search and listening to Command).
Staff: What did Command tell him to do?
Ticketer: Not to search the inmate because of gender.
Staff: Did he stop?
Ticketer: Yes and he had a huge attitude about it.
Staff -> Korinra: Hey did you refuse to do your job?
Korinra: Nope, I did the Officer's job of searching until Command told me to stop, then I stopped and let a volunteering Officer take over.
Staff: Were you obstructive or rude?
Korinra: Obstructive no, I provided the items I was holding in front of the officer (the orange jumpsuit and shoes). I was rude in character, yes, because it isn't my job to do it in the first place.
Staff: OK I'm going to check the logs, but as long as everything was how you said it then everything's fine.

See? Take both sides, find the contradictions in the story, then end the conversation and look to the logs. If one party lies the logs will tell the story. Here is the full story;
1: Officer reported over the radio a crew member (Aimee) tried to bite the HoP (turns out it was a Vampire round). I call out that I'll update a warrant and her file. I set her to arrest and set out an arrest warrant.
2: Officer notes the suspect only had one arm and opted to use a straight jacket since we couldn't use handcuffs. I comment that is a good idea.
3: Suspect was brought in and sat in a chair, the officer began to leave. I asked, "Just assault against a Command member?"
4: Officer answered "And resisting arrest" then begins to vacate Security. [Officer shouldn't have left, it's their responsibility to search/book the inmate.]
5: I put in the charges and collect the encrypted incident report.
6: Inmate asked if the straight jacket could be removed, and I said "Once you're in a cell". Inmate is passive for the most part after this, only making a verbal complaint that she'd rather have it removed earlier.
7: Inmate suddenly passes out, arresting officer calls for medical. They have a spat about how the medical borg apparently already treated the inmate, I interrupt the spat to tell the borg to just worry about treating her now. Inmate is rushed off to medical, I instruct that I want an officer escorting her at all times, and start her brig timer (as it's policy that medical needs are still part of the timer).
8: I walked the inmate over to the locker in the cell to remove and search the gear.
9: HoP suddenly shows up and starts yelling at me for doing a search against an opposite gender.
10: All of the Officers show up, a female Officer volunteers to take over the search. I step out of the cell, place the clothes down on the ground and say, "I want her wearing prison oranges." (on grounds that she was violent per the wiki).
11: I walk off to my office to check the record, and note that an officer had already set her to Incarcerated.
12: Argument ensues, I make my stance known and the argument trails off. Someone mentions something about the Visitor having 2 flashbangs, so I go into the armory to check, box is full, I get bwoinked. I search the remaining boxes while I'm waiting for the question/complaint to be told to me, then eventually go back to my office where I pinged back if I was still needed. That's where the logs begin.

Does this sound like someone who refused to do their job? You never once actually asked my side of it, just kept saying, "I've been told you refused to do your job, did you?". So I ask again, since I stand before you accused of not doing Warden duties before you bwoinked me; What duties did I miss exactly? Oh and the reason I say "you" accused me isn't that I'm claiming you started the bwoink, it's because you have power to look at logs and after I told you they were lying to you, you still didn't check the logs. I did my job AND the officer's job, so by that logic you should have been getting on to them for not doing THEIR job. I didn't press that issue because I took it as an IC thing that maybe the character was just lazy, maybe I shouldn't make that assumption anymore if it's this big of a deal.

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1 hour ago, Korinra said:

Thanks for the full log Arrow.

There IS a significant reason I wanted the full log, first of all. You keep talking about where I was when we started talking but you know how I know you weren't on top of me? Because you're wrong about where I was. In fact I know when you aghosted to me and the log shows it too.

PM: Roostercat12->Korinra: Hi. Got a minute?
PM: Korinra->Roostercat12: Sure
PM: Korinra->Roostercat12: Roostercat? Did you still need me?

See here in the first three lines? I finished my look in the armory, didn't hear back from you, then went back to my office and sat down to ask if you still needed me.

 

That first Pm is when the ticket started. You were in your office. The reason there was a delay was because my game crashed. 

1 hour ago, Korinra said:

 

I never once insinuated that you were the reasong I was Ahelped and don't put words into my mouth thank you very much. Sorry if you don't understand all that's been said in this ticket, but it very much does make sense, I just feel like you can't or won't look at it from my perspective.

 

PM: Roostercat12->Korinra: Drop the attitude and focus on the ticket, please.

PM: Korinra->Roostercat12: Then have mutual respect and stop falsly accusing me.

PM: Korinra->Roostercat12: I know where I was and you saying otherwise is disrespectful. Logs exist, if you think I'm lying then go confirm it.

PM: Korinra->Roostercat12: So now you've come to me to tell me what "You've been told" several times. I don't care what a namesless faceless accuser is saying about me. Do you have an accusation of something I did wrong or are you just pinging me to tell me someone else is butthurt about me being abrassive in-character too?

PM: Korinra->Roostercat12: Ok so let me cut to the simple answer then. Someone told you I broke a rule, I've told you I haven't. Now that we got passed the he-said she-said, where do we go from here?

PM: Korinra->Roostercat12: I already told you I was doing my job when you pinged me. So I am not sure why you asked that again by the way (sorry for skipping over that)

1 hour ago, Korinra said:

Here's how you properly handle that as an admin;
Ticketer; Hi, Korinra isn't performing his duties as a Warden
Staff: Which duties is he not performing
Ticketer: He didn't search an inmate and he didn't listen to Command
Staff: Ok, did he refuse to do anything else?
Ticketer: Everything
Staff: Can you give another example?
Ticketer: Nope (I read the logs of what they said, the ONLY specific they gave was the search and listening to Command).
Staff: What did Command tell him to do?
Ticketer: Not to search the inmate because of gender.
Staff: Did he stop?
Ticketer: Yes and he had a huge attitude about it.
Staff -> Korinra: Hey did you refuse to do your job?
Korinra: Nope, I did the Officer's job of searching until Command told me to stop, then I stopped and let a volunteering Officer take over.
Staff: Were you obstructive or rude?
Korinra: Obstructive no, I provided the items I was holding in front of the officer (the orange jumpsuit and shoes). I was rude in character, yes, because it isn't my job to do it in the first place.
Staff: OK I'm going to check the logs, but as long as everything was how you said it then everything's fine.

 

Firstly, you do not know the full details of what was reported, so do not assume that was the ping I received. 

"Ticketer: Nope (I read the logs of what they said, the ONLY specific they gave was the search and listening to Command)." 

Secondly, You do not know who I was talking to about this, or the fact that it was multiple people, evidently, so do not assume there were no more examples.

Thirdly, this was more or less exactly how the ticket was going until you went off the handle on a tangent.

Fourthly, this is the part where I brought up what you were not doing. Right after this, you went on the tangent about where you were when the ticket started. I was trying to go back to the original ticket as to not get into that argument with you, willing to drop the lie all-together, until you kept bringing it back.

PM: Roostercat12->Korinra: Do not try and claim bullshit here. I know what I saw. Aside from that, I have multiple people claiming you have refused to do searches after this as a result, such as the second time that person was brought in. As a side note, you were being told not to STRIP SEARCH the person, not to stop searching entirely.

1 hour ago, Korinra said:

 

See? Take both sides, find the contradictions in the story, then end the conversation and look to the logs. If one party lies the logs will tell the story.

Again, this is exactly what I did, hence the reason you weren't punished for any of this.

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1 hour ago, Roostercat said:

That first Pm is when the ticket started. You were in your office. The reason there was a delay was because my game crashed. 

I most certainly was not, and I'd prefer if you stopped saying I was. When I was bwoinked I was in the armory.

 

1 hour ago, Roostercat said:

PM: Roostercat12->Korinra: Drop the attitude and focus on the ticket, please.

PM: Korinra->Roostercat12: Then have mutual respect and stop falsly accusing me.

PM: Korinra->Roostercat12: I know where I was and you saying otherwise is disrespectful. Logs exist, if you think I'm lying then go confirm it.

PM: Korinra->Roostercat12: So now you've come to me to tell me what "You've been told" several times. I don't care what a namesless faceless accuser is saying about me. Do you have an accusation of something I did wrong or are you just pinging me to tell me someone else is butthurt about me being abrassive in-character too?

PM: Korinra->Roostercat12: Ok so let me cut to the simple answer then. Someone told you I broke a rule, I've told you I haven't. Now that we got passed the he-said she-said, where do we go from here?

PM: Korinra->Roostercat12: I already told you I was doing my job when you pinged me. So I am not sure why you asked that again by the way (sorry for skipping over that)

Ok so this is meant to show where I blamed you? Let me bold the part where I explicitly blame someone else within the very quote you are quoting. That "nameless faceless accuser" would be the person who ahelped. I don't know who they are, so to me they are nameless and faceless, but you're relaying information on their behalf so to reiterate what I said; "I don't want to hear what they told you, I want you to tell me if you're accusing me of something so I can either accept or defend myself." There, does that make my sentence a little easier to understand?

1 hour ago, Roostercat said:

Firstly, you do not know the full details of what was reported, so do not assume that was the ping I received. 

"Ticketer: Nope (I read the logs of what they said, the ONLY specific they gave was the search and listening to Command)." 

Secondly, You do not know who I was talking to about this, or the fact that it was multiple people, evidently, so do not assume there were no more examples.

Thirdly, this was more or less exactly how the ticket was going until you went off the handle on a tangent.

Fourthly, this is the part where I brought up what you were not doing. Right after this, you went on the tangent about where you were when the ticket started. I was trying to go back to the original ticket as to not get into that argument with you, willing to drop the lie all-together, until you kept bringing it back.

PM: Roostercat12->Korinra: Do not try and claim bullshit here. I know what I saw. Aside from that, I have multiple people claiming you have refused to do searches after this as a result, such as the second time that person was brought in. As a side note, you were being told not to STRIP SEARCH the person, not to stop searching entirely.

Your right, I don't know the full extent. I asked you many times to get the full extent of the claim against me so I could either defend or accept the claims, but you constantly refused to tell me the claims. Again though, as for the "multiple people", ok let me re-state; I don't care who my accusers are if I'm not allowed to discuss it with them. Get their whole claim in a nice envelope so you and I can discuss it. You acting as a middle man to accuse me on their behalf is not doing anything for keeping the situation calm. Get ALL of their complaints together on a notepad, thank them for giving you ALL of their complaints, then bwoink me. I didn't refuse to discuss the situation, and I encouraged using logs to back up my story. Did you yet look at the logs of what happened after the HoP told me to stop searching? Did you yet see that I never once lied about how I stated the situation went down? You're still defending them, and I'm still telling you I don't care who they are or what they told you. I care what you tell me and whether or not I agree or not with what you tell me. If you want this to be about them too, then invite them into the discussion, if not keep them anonymous and address me on behalf of YOURSELF and STAFF. I would assume you're supposed to be impartial and not side with anyone or speak on behalf of them to me, right?

That is most certainly not how the ticket was going. You kept reverting back to "they're saying this" and "they're saying that". OK I get it, they hate my guts, tell me my charges so I can plea innocent or guilty. The whole ticket could have been resolved without even talking to me if you pulled up the logs first. "He didn't do a search" *checks logs, see an attempted search cut off by Command member* "He refused to listen to Command!" *see in chat logs where Command told me to stop and I did*. As far as I'm concerned, it sounds like they lied or at least twisted their story to make me out to be a bad guy. I told my story and I would like you to confirm or deny if what I said I did before you bwoinked me is true or false. If what I said it true, you no longer have a reason to defend the ticketer, do you?

As a side note, the HoP has no authority to tell the Warden how to run the brig. As the highest acting command on station however, I respected the instruction to stop my search. Ironically, the person had contraband on them that walked out of the brig thanks to the HoP demanding the search end. The suspect had several pieces of Armory gear, the suspect was violent toward a Command member (which WARRANTS requiring them to wear orange jumpsuits specifically in SOPs), and the brig is the Warden's jurisdiction, only overruled by the Captain or the HoS. Again though, since no Captain nor HoS was present, I obeyed the HoP as an acting Captain. So since there's not a single SOP saying I can't do a strip search on a violent suspect, an HoP being upset that I do one falls under Exceeding Official Powers (i214), right? Though I chose not to open that whole can of worms.

1 hour ago, Roostercat said:

Again, this is exactly what I did, hence the reason you weren't punished for any of this.

It is NOT what you did. You kept asking me questions, then going back to them with the answer to give them a chance TO CHANGE THEIR STORY. This is why you get THEIR ENTIRE STORY, and ask, "IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE?". When they say no that's all of it, THAT'S when you address the other party. Doing it the way you did kept getting the question changed;

"They told me you were refusing to do anything as a Warden"
"Oh? May I ask what I refused to do?"

"They told me that you were being obstructive"
"I tried to do a search and got yelled at by Command not to, so I gave the prisoner uniform I was holding to a volunteer officer and stepped back for her to do it"

"They told me you were refusing to do a search"
"I did do the search until I was told not to."

"They told me you refused to do ANOTHER search"
"It was the same person I was yelled at for searching before, and it's not the job of the Warden to do searches anyway"

"They told me you refused to listen to Command"
"Why did you think I stopped the search before? Because Command told me to stop."

Do you see how this back and forth is infuriating? Just get ALL of their claims against me and come to me to get my side, then look at the logs and punish the liar. Why would you even bother doing it any other way?

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@ShesTrying and I have looked into the complaint. The verdict is as follows.

1- On the account of Rooster not being specific about the issues, we feel his initial explanation of the issue was sufficient and did provide you with examples on the issue at hand. The issue with this ticket was that it did head off into off-topic things, and when Rooster felt he had the right answers to his initial question, he declared it a non-issue and found you without fault when it came to your Warden play.

Ideally the ticket should have went like this.

Staff: "We have reports on A, some examples cited were B, C and D. Can you explain your side of things?"

Player: Explains their side.

Staff: If sufficient information is present, renders judgement. Otherwise asks some more questions.

2- On the account of lying and disrespect over the topic being in the Warden room. We don't believe Rooster was specifically disrespecting you or calling you a liar, during a round, the perception of time can differ, and it can result in different perspectives, it happens. The thing is, the Warden office does not seem to have much importance on the ticket, so we do feel that Rooster should've been firm in stating the irrelevance of it instead of engaging it, which seems to have allowed some of the issues in this ticket. 

3- In the future, if you feel like staff are being disrespectful towards you, it is best to expedite the ending of the ticket, preserve the logs and then make a staff complaint.

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