Risingvaliant in - Assuming Direct Control (of medical) - Command Application

[RisingValiant]

BYOND key: RisingValiant

Discord Username: MartianPotato #8163

Character names:

Raha Coris

Annette Mellia

Glory Of The Unchained Seeing The Light

To Brave The Darkness

Flowing Rivers Of Light And Power

Echoes Of The Past Ringing Through The Silence

Bottomless Waves Giving Way To An Endless Choir

How long have you been playing on Aurora?: A few months now
Have you received any administrative actions? And how serious were they?
Nothing formal, several informal ones, largely due to the fact that this is my first HRP server, there were some growing pains. 

Please provide well articulated answers to the following questions in a paragraph each.

What do you think the OOC purpose of a Head of Staff is, ingame?:
A head of staff controls the flow of a round, they serve as a designated 'person who knows what their doing and what to do' and they can define the direction a round will go, to a greater or lesser degree depending on their role. A HoS or a Captain could make the choice between going lethal, or negotiating, and those will have large ramifications on the rest of the round. They also serve to facilitate roleplay by regulating the culture of their department, and ideally, elevating everyone's experience.

What do you think the OOC responsibilities of Whitelisted players are to other players, and how would you strive to uphold them?:
As a Head of Staff you have a great deal of power, especially when it comes to antagonists, you need to be aware of the fact that just like everyone else, they're trying to roleplay, and that you shouldn't simply shut down their gimmick immediately. Your primary responsibility as a Head of Staff is to try to make sure everyone has fun and has a good round. You're also supposed to have a good deal of experience, and be able to answer any questions about the gameplay of your department that might pop up, especially with newer players.

Could you give us the gist of what is currently happening in Tau ceti and how it affected your character and their career?
The SCCV Horizon was recently launched by the SCC, it's mission is to scour the spur for new sources of phoron, amidst the current shortage. In addition, the many worlds of the spur continue to spin. More recently, The Solarian Alliance has been working, and succeeding, in reclaiming Mars from revolutionaries, and EE's acquisition of Phoenixport was ruled unlawful, the majority of the corporate assets there have been re-auctioned, though einstien has secured a foothold on Biesel. Amongst all this chaos, is Surgeon Glory Of The Unchained Seeing The Light. A decorated veteran of thje TCFL, and an extremely experienced surgeon, Glory was hired on by Nanotrasen a few years before the launch of the Horizon, when their Clinic in District Eleven was acquired by Nanotrasen. Given their extensive experience with EVA and the medical problems that can happen in a vaccuum, Glory was given the offer to come aboard the Horizon. Now, some time after the launch of the Horizon. Glory feels like there is more they can do, and grows increasingly dissatisfied with the restrictions placed upon them, given their qualifications, finally, a particularly difficult shift breaks Glory's hesitance, and they put in an application for a promotion.

What roles do you plan on playing after the application is accepted?
CMO first, eventually I might go for something else, but I'll ask first before that happens

Have you familiarized yourself with the wiki pages for the command roles?
I have, and I believe I'm familiar with what will be expected of me as CMO

Characters you intend to use for command or have created for command. Include the job they will be taking.:
Glory Of The Unchained Seeing The Light - CMO, Indeed I actually created Glory with the possibility of becoming a CMO in mind. but, obviously, I don't have the WL yet.

Do you understand your whitelist is not permanent, and may be stripped following continuous administrative action?
Of course

Have you linked your byond account to the forums? 

Yes I have

[Gromnax]

I have worked several time with Light as medical staff. They are a capable surgeon and a good roleplayer.

A definite +1 from me.

[EJJ]

Gamer.
Good handle of medbay, has played Interim a lot already, knows their way around medbay and handles problems swiftly. If another character isn't leading medbay Glory tends to be the one that's at least keeping people communicating or managing stuff in my experience.
+1!

[Caelphon]

I think you roleplay well sometimes, but other times you sometimes lean into the mechanics of Security v Antag. You are improving, which is always a good sign, but I think perhaps some more time is required for me to support this application. I'll be keeping an eye on your characters you've listed above when playing, and I'll take note to see if my opinion here no longer applies. Regardless, I wish you luck for your application. Thanks for coming to Aurora! 

[RisingValiant]

8 minutes ago, Caelphon said:

I think you roleplay well sometimes, but other times you sometimes lean into the mechanics of Security v Antag. You are improving, which is always a good sign, but I think perhaps some more time is required for me to support this application. I'll be keeping an eye on your characters you've listed above when playing, and I'll take note to see if my opinion here no longer applies. Regardless, I wish you luck for your application. Thanks for coming to Aurora! 

That's completely fair, I don't think this is going to happen without growing pains, one point I would make is that I'm applying specifically for CMO, so I think it's a little bit less of a concern than it would be if I were say, playing HoS. I do see where you're coming from though, and I've added your point to a list I keep about where I can do better, hopefully I can make it to a point where you can support my application, thank you for the feedback.

[Sheeplets]

I'm not confident that you're ready for this yet.

 

You've shown in the past to have a serious problem with your attitude while playing Glory. You're rude to people you work on, and to the people you work with. Newer players, especially. You're arrogant, unnecessarily hostile at times, and have had a tendency to wrestle control - as well as the entire medbay's workload - away all for yourself. I've lost count of the number of times I've seen you lose your cool and make clearly OOCly charged comments to people, or watched you leave to wordlessly run the First Responders' calls for them as a surgeon with available staff on hand. I've seen you take patients away from the physicians in the middle of treating them and then belittle them for not working well enough for your liking. Instead of asking why you'd be a good fit for Command, I think it's better to ask why anyone would want to work with you - let alone under you - in the first place. At least as you are now. What assurances do we get that you won't do any of this as a cemented Chief Medical Officer and not just an interim with the possibility of being demoted for your actions?

 

My criticisms could be waved off as isolated IC issues, and I'd be inclined to agree if you didn't act the same way in other departments as well. All of your Dionae characters feel identical, and you very frequently toe the line of OOC in IC with the way you carry yourself. It's not at all enjoyable to be on the recieving end of, and you can come off as inconsiderate at best and absolutely venomous at your worst.

 

I think you're a very proactive and intelligent player who takes initiative where it's needed, just often to the detriment of others. I want to see you succeed, and I've noticed you begin to improve on most if not all of your bad habits. Just not enough for me to cosign for you. Take some more time to iron out your kinks.

 

-1

[RisingValiant]

1 hour ago, Sheeplets said:

I'm not confident that you're ready for this yet.

 

You've shown in the past to have a serious problem with your attitude while playing Glory. You're rude to people you work on, and to the people you work with. Newer players, especially. You're arrogant, unnecessarily hostile at times, and have had a tendency to wrestle control - as well as the entire medbay's workload - away all for yourself. I've lost count of the number of times I've seen you lose your cool and make clearly OOCly charged comments to people, or watched you leave to wordlessly run the First Responders' calls for them as a surgeon with available staff on hand. I've seen you take patients away from the physicians in the middle of treating them and then belittle them for not working well enough for your liking. Instead of asking why you'd be a good fit for Command, I think it's better to ask why anyone would want to work with you - let alone under you - in the first place. At least as you are now. What assurances do we get that you won't do any of this as a cemented Chief Medical Officer and not just an interim with the possibility of being demoted for your actions?

 

My criticisms could be waved off as isolated IC issues, and I'd be inclined to agree if you didn't act the same way in other departments as well. All of your Dionae characters feel identical, and you very frequently toe the line of OOC in IC with the way you carry yourself. It's not at all enjoyable to be on the recieving end of, and you can come off as inconsiderate at best and absolutely venomous at your worst.

I have mixed feelings about this. I feel like some of this is fair, and some of this feels like it comes completely out of left field. Glory's agressiveness has been taken too far in the past, I am seriously trying to work on that. On the other hand I'm not at all sure what you're talking about when you say I've made clearly OOCly charged comments, or been rude to newcomers. The only things I can think of that might be what you're talking about were moments of high stress, where everything is falling apart. And even then, I don't think I've gone beyond telling someone they should know how to apply bruise packs and and bandages, basic medical care, the kind of thing most people aboard the horizon should know. And I'd love to know what you mean by belittling people, because I have absolutely no idea where you got that from. As for running the FR's calls for them, I've definitely done it before, and I'm making a concerted effort to fix that.

As for all of my Dionae feeling the same. I'll give you that Brave and Glory are quite similar, it's something I've been trying to fix, but aside from that, this feels to me like you just haven't interacted much with some of my more different characters, because this is something I've been specifically focusing on. And when it comes to your criticisms about out of character in character, I honestly don't know how I gave you this impression. Regardless, it's something I'll keep in mind moving forward. Ultimately, some of these points feel reasonable, but some of these feel.... I'll go with out of left field. To the point that I don't understand what you could even be talking about. The criticisms about my ooc behaviour especially feel uncalled for. Generally a lot of this feels like it isn't based on my recent play. All the same, thank you for caring enough to provide feedback, if I get a trial, I'll do my best to prove your concerns wrong.

Edited June 2, 2022 by RisingValiant

[Faye <3]

I think you're a good RP'er and good at medical, but I wouldn't want to see you in Command for a few reasons.

 

- You focus on antagonists A LOT.

It often feels like Glory is somehow the third detective slot on the manifest. They are very suspicious of relatively innocuous antag actions for no reason, and are usually the first to report nearly anything at all to command, or directly to security. A big and important part of command is giving leeway to antagonists. Your habit of  honing in on antags may be annoying on surgeon, but it will be outright damaging on CMO, who has the authority and power to throw their weight around more than a surgeon. Part of Command is making sure that antag gimmicks can get off the floor, and overlooking little things for the sake of the round not ending at 0:30 or forcing an unneeded, premature conflict. You need to work on your validhunting.

- Glory tends to do it all.

As stated prior, Glory has a habit of doing other peoples' work for them. In an ideal medical bay, FRs bring the patients in, physicians treat in the GTR, surgeons do surgery after GTR, and the CMO oversees. Glory often steps out of their lane based on - from what I can tell - whether or not they think their coworkers are competent enough to handle the current problem. I've seen you step in to do GTR instead of active physicians, go to first response calls, etc. Part of CMO is ensuring everyone stays in their lane, and only deviating from this during an emergency and when specifically asked. You did this as recently as last night.

- Glory is just kind of mean

I think that an important part of Command is making sure that the department is a welcoming one for newbies and veterans alike. You tend to veer towards, in my opinion, very unnecessary harshness. Mistakes happen, people fuck up. Medical isn't the easiest department, and sometimes things don't work out like we hope. People aren't gonna learn and improve if they're worried about getting chewed out by an angry diona. I think you need to chill out. Additionally,- this sort of goes hand in hand with your issue with antagonists. Sometimes Glory can be...strangely intense? Whether it's saying to force anti-psychotics down a psych case' throat or just making weirdly militant and violent remarks for a diona, Glory is sort of unpleasant to be around.

I'm sure you can work on this, but I wouldn't want to see you as CMO at this time. I do not believe your current gameplay is suitable for command due to your tendency to validhunt, supersurgeon, and belittle other characters.

 

 

[Gromnax]

As a self proclamed antag main and someone who shared a number of shifts with Glory in medical, I did not see these issues as blatanly as you seem to imply they are. I am not saying you are wrong - I am not here all shifts - but I do recall, for example, a round where I played Ebere as an open vampire using their power to heal. If I recall correctly, Glory did not try to valid me at the time, instead protect me with the CMO present against Security who did want to get me. But this was a few weeks ago, so maybe I remember this incorrectly. At the same time, I have not been unsettled by Glory's way of talking or acting towards others. However, I recognize I can be biaised on this point, as I myself play blunt characters sometimes.

I however can not express myself on the supersurgeon side. I haven't really been paying attention on this one. Or at least, nothing caught my eye hard enough for me to notice it.

I do not wish to say you are wrong, I just want to put some nuance in this and precise my experience with Glory, which seems to contracts a bit what has been said here.

[RisingValiant]

45 minutes ago, Faye &lt;3 said:

- Glory is just kind of mean

I think that an important part of Command is making sure that the department is a welcoming one for newbies and veterans alike. You tend to veer towards, in my opinion, very unnecessary harshness. Mistakes happen, people fuck up. Medical isn't the easiest department, and sometimes things don't work out like we hope. People aren't gonna learn and improve if they're worried about getting chewed out by an angry diona. I think you need to chill out. Additionally,- this sort of goes hand in hand with your issue with antagonists. Sometimes Glory can be...strangely intense? Whether it's saying to force anti-psychotics down a psych case' throat or just making weirdly militant and violent remarks for a diona, Glory is sort of unpleasant to be around.

 

 

At this point I'm trying to figure out if there's something about my tone or the way I'm speaking that's causing this, because I really try to have Glory treat their coworkers with respect, and try to be reassuring, especially to new players. The agressiveness is something I've been toning down recently, though that specific moment was meant to be a character choice, Glory being influenced by their upbringing. I know Glory is quick to anger, that's intentional, and core to the character. I also know I've taken it too far in the past, which is something I'm trying to stop from happening again. But it's really surprising to hear multiple accounts of me belittling other members of medical, it's something I actively make a point not to do unless the conduct is egregious, and I genuinely am struggling to figure out where that criticism is coming from. 

As for your other points, I can see where you're coming from in a lot of places, I think at times my desire to participate in the round clashes with what's best in terms of the direction of the round. I would be going into a command role thinking about these things, so my personal belief is that they would happen less because it would be more important for those behaviours to be prevented, and as such, more present in my mind. But all you have to go on for that is my word. And I can understand if that isn't enough.  

Thank you for your feedback.

[Peppermint]

I can respect the mass effect title reference, assuming I'm on the ball for that one.

Otherwise I'm not really supportive of this app either. My interactions with Rising have usually been watching him run around screaming profanities at things which seems to conflict with general dionae lore? I might be wrong, but either way not exactly command material. Not being very kindly or whatever isn't really a massive bar to command characters, but also mechanics have been lacking from what I've seen. I distinctively remember watching another character being stuck in the OR for like 30 minutes after you didn't take a scan for whatever reason, which then led to yet more angry screaming, which then I think bled into the main discord a little? Seems that sometimes IC frustrations is rooted in OOC frustrations which isn't a good look and can make it miserable for other people too.

-1 for now, albeit with potential to improve.

[RisingValiant]

30 minutes ago, Peppermint said:

I can respect the mass effect title reference, assuming I'm on the ball for that one.

Otherwise I'm not really supportive of this app either. My interactions with Rising have usually been watching him run around screaming profanities at things which seems to conflict with general dionae lore? I might be wrong, but either way not exactly command material. Not being very kindly or whatever isn't really a massive bar to command characters, but also mechanics have been lacking from what I've seen. I distinctively remember watching another character being stuck in the OR for like 30 minutes after you didn't take a scan for whatever reason, which then led to yet more angry screaming, which then I think bled into the main discord a little? Seems that sometimes IC frustrations is rooted in OOC frustrations which isn't a good look and can make it miserable for other people too.

-1 for now, albeit with potential to improve.

This actually was the cause of one of those informal warnings I mentioned, I think in that aspect I've currently improved significantly. And if you're talking about the incident I think you are, I was a lot less experienced at that time, and I took it as a lesson on what to avoid, I don't think anything even close to that has happened since, and I believe I've learned a lot since then.

[ben10083]

While I never was in the same department as Rising's characters, my interactions with their character has always been enjoyable. And while yes I do see they follow the first responder to emergency situations at times, I haven't see anything that would otherwise disqualify them from command. +1.

[Boggle08]

I've had a good first impression of your Dionae officer and surgeon. I think you know enough about the game for the position. Abrasive Dionae are more than possible with the lore, though whether or not this abrasiveness is enough to disqualify you from the CMO position, I honestly can't say.

What I'm worried about with you is your tendency to hoard work and frontline. I didn't really mind all the times you would take the expedition vessel with a full surgical tray, because honestly, fuck having to cancel expeditions over shrapnel and shit, but I've seen firsthand how bad you can get when it comes to ignoring our model for the medbay. The round in question was the one where you packed on corporate heavy armor, grabbed a surgical tray, and took point with security, going so far as to tell the first responder to step away. I think this was two weeks or so ago, but I'm seeing others in the thread citing this as an issue as of yesterday, which doesn't give me confidence.

You have to get used to the idea of delegating work when you can, not just because you're working in medical, but because that's your entire job as command. The work delegation arrangement in medical exists here because whenever someone hoards activity or becomes a super-doctor, they're denying the rest of the department engagement. As a member of command, one of your primary OOC responsibilities is to act as a facilitator for your subordinates, which entails delegation. Particularly as a CMO, since often that means it's your job to ensure no one in your department is encroaching on another person's lane. The same lanes I've seen you egregiously overstep. The CMO position has access to a lot of job knowledge, and command authority. I wouldn't want to see you use this to consolidate most of the traffic coming through our doors.

 I see the potential for CMO in you, but I want to see you using your co-workers more and putting your trust into them. Until then, I can't really endorse this.

 

[MattAtlas]

I unfortunately think that many of the issues presented here are valid as I've seen them myself, and you need to work on them more. I would suggest making a new character to start with a cleaner slate. Glory feels kind of like a dead-end, considering that the abrasiveness actively pushes people away from you.

Denied, but you can reapply in a month if you wish.