Remove Vaurca from Security Roles

[Chaznoodles]

As title states. Remove Vaurca from Security roles. They're a newly encountered race that have a tendency to mandible chew anything this don't like. Discuss.

Also fun fact. Mandibles cause more damage than a laser. Start treating their use as attempted murder.

[Guest Menown]

I'd agree with this. I'd support this if Tajara were in the same position, so there's no bias toward the Vaurca. Maybe as cadets, but I can't see them as full security officers yet.

[Gollee]

I've seen a couple of Vaurca mandible chew things simply because they think it is no longer Illegal, I support this.

[Guest]

I'm fine with the chewing being labeled as a lethal attack.

However, is this issue really as widespread in security as you make it out to be? I would like accounts and logs of the times this actually happened. Because, blocking out good Vaurca from Security because of one or two bad apples seems a dick move. Deal with the bad apples, not the entire species.

[Skull132]

If Vaurca sec officers have been mandible chewing people, then I think NT would indeed remove them from the role.

And Chaz's original reasoning for it is also sound.

[Eliot Clef]

I'm not sure I'd call Vaurca biting common, but it's not uncommon either. It seems to be most common among drones who have carte blanche to react mindlessly.

[Guest]

If Vaurca sec officers have been mandible chewing people, then I think NT would indeed remove them from the role.

And Chaz's original reasoning for it is also sound.

Constant and needless mandible chewing is A) Rule breaking from an OOC perspective B) Lore breaking from an IC perspective

It should be treated as such in a case to case basis. If anything, given the past 'don't be racist to vaurca' concept we have, it would be viewed as large scale discrimination based just because of few bad examples. NT wouldn't do that.

I'm posting an semi-official explanation of the mendible attack being illegal.

[LordFowl]

Because Vaurca can bite is not necessarily justification to ban. Any Vaurca can bite, not just officers. Vaurca being removed from security roles because they are new follows the logic that Vaurca should be banned from pretty much every role, because they are just a year discovered, particularly since security is the least critical of the critical roles, lore wise. However, currently the server follows the ideology that just because a universal ban makes sense lorewise, it doesn't happen except in case of Head roles. If we want to start banning races from non-Head roles then I can think up plenty of justification that ultimately would mean humans are the only race to play any non-civilian role. Ultimately, I don't tend to support such restrictions, even though they are easily justifiable. And to reiterate, Vaurca being able to bite is not justification to ban them from security. That should be handled on a case by case basis.

[Filthyfrankster]

Trusting a newly discovered species to ensure the safety of the station? Hahaha, I highly doubt that would be a good idea.

Even the current xenos we have right now on station can't have full trust. (Unathi and tajara)

[Guest]

Of course it's not necessarily a reason for a ban, but if you are going around biting people for no reason or provocation, it should be viewed same as going around and shooting people without reason or provocation. Just because you have a tool doesn't mean you are allowed to use it as you please.

As for it being lore-breaking, consider the proverb "When in Rome, act Roman." The Aurora Vaurca have been sufficiently trained and informed of how they are suppose to act, aka, how not to be an absolute disgrace to the Hive and I assume they would be severely punished for being just that. It's this wish for the Vaurca to prove themselves to other species that got Vaurca into the labor force in the first place, and what makes them trustworthy.

[hivefleetchicken]

I just know that we have vaurca who memeing mice in the department lobbies and then scream racist like a tajaran getting the boots put to her medium style when they get called out for it.

If Unathi are to be arrested for eating monkeys since it's animal cruelty, then surely we can also put a charge into vaurca gibbing mice and making giant messes.

[CampinKiller]

Trusting a newly discovered species to ensure the safety of the station? Hahaha, I highly doubt that would be a good idea.

Even the current xenos we have right now on station can't have full trust. (Unathi and tajara)

 

Which does bring into account the question of how certain species (read: Tajaran) are trusted to serve as significant heads of staff/in protective roles on the station when they are not respected and viewed as terrorists by many. I can see being a loyalty-implanted role, since it basically mindslaves them to serving the best interests of NT, but other positions have always baffled me.

[Theplahunter]

Trusting a newly discovered species to ensure the safety of the station? Hahaha, I highly doubt that would be a good idea.

Even the current xenos we have right now on station can't have full trust. (Unathi and tajara)

 

Which does bring into account the question of how certain species (read: Tajaran) are trusted to serve as significant heads of staff/in protective roles on the station when they are not respected and viewed as terrorists by many. I can see being a loyalty-implanted role, since it basically mindslaves them to serving the best interests of NT, but other positions have always baffled me.

 

'Muh snowflake.'

But to be serious, lets take a real life example: Islam.

Before you guys all go 'OH GOD NOT THIS DISCUSSION, RELIGION SHOULD NOT BE ON THIS FORUM.' hear me out.

Situations IC should be handled a bit more... carefully with Tajara. It'd be a P.R nightmare for nanotransen if Tajara were just in menial labor roles, but they are considered dangerous due to the fact they're literally armed 24/7 with their claws. Same with Vaurca and their mandibles, at even regular human bites can break bone and skin, we have strong jaws and Vaurcan jaws are even stronger.

Anyways, just because Tajaran are looked down upon as 'terrorists' it'd be stereotyping to believe all tajaran are terrorists and the same should be considered for Vaurca. Just because of previous reputation of the race does not mean they're all like that. Characters like Houssam Jawdat makes a great HoP, which opened up more options for Tajaran workers because of him. Same should be considered for Vaurcans, how many Vaurca security players have killed with their mandibles yet? They should be watched closely by other officers and stripped of duty if they screw up, but banning an entire race could be seen as Xenophobic and Xeno rights groups would be -all over NT- for it. (just imagine how angry Essel would get.)

[Dreamix]

Trusting a newly discovered species to ensure the safety of the station? Hahaha, I highly doubt that would be a good idea.

Even the current xenos we have right now on station can't have full trust. (Unathi and tajara)

Which does bring into account the question of how certain species (read: Tajaran) are trusted to serve as significant heads of staff/in protective roles on the station when they are not respected and viewed as terrorists by many. I can see being a loyalty-implanted role, since it basically mindslaves them to serving the best interests of NT, but other positions have always baffled me.

Tajara: "This came in the form of human discovery in 2418."

Unathi: "In 2433, a human exploration team discovered Moghes."

Vaurca: "None of the species of the galaxy had any idea that the Vaurca existed until an eventful day in November, 2456..."

Today: "Friday 15 January 2458"

Not even mentioning how much it takes for vaurca and human diplomats to understand each other and make vaurc'ian-basic dictionaries, vaurcas are really new to everyone. Like, if Tajarans aren't trusted, despite us knowing them for XX years, vaurca probably shouldn't even be allowed on board the station. Like, what the hell...

Again, not even mentioning the bound vaurcas, they are literally mindless and do whatever whoever orders them to do. That's a quite literal definition of a "workplace accident, NanoTrasen terminates employment of vaurca after mass misuse of drones".

We really need some news depicting the ways vaurca are new, subjects of racism/specieism, being space gypsies, and overall bad and hated "bugs are taking our jobs". It's like if everything is happening in OOC, without any official IC explanations. I don't even really know how to react to these bugs, probably because of the lack of these news, telling normal citizens how to behave (Mendell Bugle News and Alliance News), or just because I haven't really read their lore page, yet.

[Theplahunter]

Trusting a newly discovered species to ensure the safety of the station? Hahaha, I highly doubt that would be a good idea.

Even the current xenos we have right now on station can't have full trust. (Unathi and tajara)

Which does bring into account the question of how certain species (read: Tajaran) are trusted to serve as significant heads of staff/in protective roles on the station when they are not respected and viewed as terrorists by many. I can see being a loyalty-implanted role, since it basically mindslaves them to serving the best interests of NT, but other positions have always baffled me.

Tajara: "This came in the form of human discovery in 2418."

Unathi: "In 2433, a human exploration team discovered Moghes."

Vaurca: "None of the species of the galaxy had any idea that the Vaurca existed until an eventful day in November, 2456..."

Today: "Friday 15 January 2458"

Not even mentioning how much it takes for vaurca and human diplomats to understand each other and make vaurc'ian-basic dictionaries, vaurcas are really new to everyone. Like, if Tajarans aren't trusted, despite us knowing them for XX years, vaurca probably shouldn't even be allowed on board the station. Like, what the hell...

Again, not even mentioning the bound vaurcas, they are literally mindless and do whatever whoever orders them to do. That's a quite literal definition of a "workplace accident, NanoTrasen terminates employment of vaurca after mass misuse of drones".

We really need some news depicting the ways vaurca are new, subjects of racism/specieism, being space gypsies, and overall bad and hated "bugs are taking our jobs". It's like if everything is happening in OOC, without any official IC explanations. I don't even really know how to react to these bugs, probably because of the lack of these news, telling normal citizens how to behave (Mendell Bugle News and Alliance News), or just because I haven't really read their lore page, yet.

 

They could be more like the 1st generation chinese immigrants, can't speak Common well but can work their asses off and take menial jobs for cheaper than the rest.

[SilverTalismen]

I would say, if the rampant use of mandibles in security keeps going then start warning the ones who keep doing it, and bwoink the ones who keep making a giant mess in the brig with mice gibs for no reason, There isn't any reason for a Vaurca to do that, Only drones are dumb enough and even they would be under directions from their hive not to be a disgrace, Unbound doing it have no excuse, they are smarter than the bound, I'm saying if you see a unbound or bound gibbing a mouse in a open area, Ahelp it and a admin can bwoink them and warn them about it, It isn't appropriate behavior and would disgrace their hives for doing such a thing

[Dreamix]

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They could be more like the 1st generation chinese immigrants, can't speak Common well but can work their asses off and take menial jobs for cheaper than the rest.

Except your chinese immigrants can chew your fucking head off, aren't exactly always mind-ful, aren't really well known to the public, and aren't members of your own species or anything close to it. You could just hire locals or normal citizens for cheap work (Tajara, Unathi).

Sometimes, I think our lore-dev-admin teams are trying to be too nice. Like, why Tajarans can be doctors despite their fur? I probably wouldn't want to have hair in my guts. Why vaurcas (and Unathi primitive grunts) are allowed to work as security? It just screams "excessive use of force".

[rrrrrr]

Just a friendly reminder that there was a vote to make it so that Tajara cannot be heads of staff that was ignored.

[Guest]

Honestly, what the fuck do you people want? For us to ban all aliens except Skrell and IPCs? Because those are only two non-humans that actually have a statistical chance of being on Aurora. The aliens are here because people want to play them, and we should not bar the good folks that want to play a Vaurca Security Officers just because someone who shouldn't have gotten a Vaurca whitelist at all.

Lore as such, exists to reconcile the wildly different, retarded aspects of the game world. It is a glue that binds the utter clusterfuck of SS13 into something people have at least a little bit less of an issue immersing into.

So, I'm sorry to tell you folks that the Vaurca are probably here to stay, so find a way to deal with it without robbing others of their fun.

[Eliot Clef]

Honestly, what the fuck do you people want? For us to ban all aliens except Skrell and IPCs?

 

Actually I think there are a lot of people who would be elated if everybody but Humans and Skrell were banned. The IC racism tends to correlate to people OOCly thinking a whitelisted race is shitty. I'm sure there are some who would like Skrell banned as well.

Disclaimer: I'm not one of these people. It's why I think democratic votes on the rights of whitelisted races and what they should be able to do jobwise should generally be ignored.

[CampinKiller]

I'm just pointing out that if species like Tajarans are not trusted, and viewed by much of the galaxy to be terrorists (similar to Muslims currently IRL), then I highly doubt they'd have access to any head jobs outside of CE/RD.

[Frances]

I'm just pointing out that if species like Tajarans are not trusted, and viewed by much of the galaxy to be terrorists (similar to Muslims currently IRL), then I highly doubt they'd have access to any head jobs outside of CE/RD.

I'm kinda confused by this. RD is the most important job on the station lore-wise.

The comparison to Muslims in america isn't really ideal either - americans are individually racist but few big corporations are openly so. NT, along with many human factions, openly "discriminate" against aliens, or put them on a different level.

Anyway I don't see why Tajarans need to be put in question simply because Vaurca are. Tajarans are:

-Much more "human-like" than Vaurca

-Have been known for longer

Not only are Vaurca very weird and decidedly more alien (tons of people are grossed out by insects, few are grossed out by cats), their social structure and behavioral patterns are very different. Heck, their notion of individuality is completely alien to us. As far as a I know, having a Vaurca sec officer is like allowing a small (and mildly retarded?) portion of the Vaurca hive to oversee security detail on your stations?

[CampinKiller]

Yeah, but the difference is, Tajarans are seen as terrorists. Vaucra are not.

If you're going to ban Vaucra from Security because of mandibles, then Tajarans probably shouldn't be in any important positions, because of their view as terrorists.

[Guest]

vaurca possess the capability to shred someone's flesh and cause instantaneous bone breaks.

i don't even know why the ability even exists for non-antag vaurca. i'd rather not have walking gibmachines work on a research station focused on, ya'know, research.

[Hackie]

Dudes.

Vaucra can bite people, and do tonnes of damage.

Their armor reduces brute by half.

They get fried like eggs.

They smash 'cuffs.

Vaucra have some serious drawback to compensate for the Pros. They're not unbalanced or anything. Treat them using their attack as a big deal. And report repeat offenders to Administration. It's the same as Tajara smashing a dude's ribs with his claws just because he called him kitty. Stupid. It doesn't mean we have to ban all of them from the Security. Just because, 'muh lore' doesn't give you an excuse to be a dopey bumblefart.