Player Complaint-Suethecake

[Gollee]

BYOND Key: Gollee

Player Byond Key: Suethecake

Staff involved: None, due to involvement.

Reason for complaint: Security powergame, validhunting, I AM THE LAW, and vindictive behaviour.

EVIDENCE:

For reference, Inis is an assistant, as is Jake Armstrong (CoolBC2000), Ana Roh'hi'tin (Suethecake) was a security officer, as was Sslazhir Yinzr (Alberyk), Mordecai Farache (King George VI) was the CMO and only head of staff for this part.

Direct server logs:

Q'ara Fayne yells, "Shit!"

Q'ara Fayne talks into the security radio headset

[Common] Sslazhir Yinzr shouts, "Ssstand down, or I will put you down!"

Sslazhir Yinzr talks into the security radio headset

Q'ara Fayne talks into the security radio headset

Sslazhir Yinzr talks into the security radio headset

[Common] Dave Duran asks, "WHO WANTS A MUSHROOM PIZZA?"

Sslazhir Yinzr fires the revolver!

Jake Armstrong is hit by the bullet in the chest!

Sslazhir Yinzr fires the revolver!

Q'ara Fayne talks into the security radio headset

Q'ara Fayne talks into the security radio headset

Q'ara Fayne talks into the security radio headset

Q'ara Fayne exclaims, "Gods!"

A holographic image of LEXINGTON flicks to life right before your eyes!

Jake Armstrong fires the energy gun!

LEXINGTON states, "HOSTILE ELEMENT."

Jake Armstrong fires the energy gun!

LEXINGTON states, "SURRENDER."

OOC: UnknownMurder: Batman betrays Superman in that world.

Q'ara Fayne talks into the security radio headset

[Common] Sslazhir Yinzr roars, "Ssssesiseeki seekiss esi!"

Q'ara Fayne talks into the security radio headset

Q'ara Fayne yells, "HE'S GOT A LASER GUN!"

Inis Truesight shouts, "You need to get to medical!"

Q'ara Fayne is having trouble keeping their eyes open.

Q'ara Fayne stammers, "P-Pl-leas-se-"

Abel Coates yells, "Hi!"

Q'ara Fayne stammers, "Ag-gh!"

Abel Coates yells, "BUDY!"

Jake Armstrong fires the energy gun!

Abel Coates yells, "BUDDY!"

Jake Armstrong fires the energy gun!

Abel Coates yells, "SON OF A BITCH!"

Abraham Nicholas shouts, "Stop there, cadet!"

ÿ!Abel Coates examines himself.

Abel Coates yells, "BASTARD SHOT ME!"

Abraham Nicholas has analyzed Q'ara Fayne's vitals.

Q'ara Fayne stutters, "Ir-r!"

[Common] Liza Al'Falak says, "Medbay to holodeck please."

Jake Armstrong fires the laser carbine!

Q'ara Fayne stammers, "S-S-Sir-r!"

Q'ara Fayne shudders.

ÿ!Abraham Nicholas covers wounds on Q'ara Fayne's upper body with regenerative membrane.

[Common] Ana Roh'hi'tin says, "Open it, machine."

Ana Roh'hi'tin talks into the security radio headset

Abraham Nicholas has analyzed Q'ara Fayne's vitals.

[Common] Liza Al'Falak says, "A crrrew is hurrrt frrrom a fight."

ÿAna Roh'hi'tin has thrown the flashbang.

Abraham Nicholas puts the advanced first-aid kit into the leather satchel.

Q'ara Fayne stammers, "F-F-F-F-fuc-c-ck-k/"

Abraham Nicholas asks, "Hold on a sec, gonna give you a shot, okay?"

[Common] Todd Wilkuinson asks, "A whole crew?"

Q'ara Fayne stutters, "H-H-H-He's-s got-t a d-dam-mn-n-n g-gun..."

Q'ara Fayne stammers, "Ok-k. Ok-k."

Q'ara Fayne stammers, "Ok-k."

Abel Coates says, "I'm here to help."

Abraham Nicholas is trying to inject Q'ara Fayne with a syringe!

The reinforced window shatters!

Jake Armstrong is hit by the bullet in the chest!

LOOC: Jake Armstrong: LAAG

[Common] Sslazhir Yinzr roars, "Ssssesiseeki seekiss esi!"

[Common] Cryogenic Oversight states, "Gwendolyn Teagan, Security Officer, has entered long-term storage."

LOOC: Jake Armstrong: OH LAAAWD

Antag goes down, five second pause.

Ana Roh'hi'tin fires the energy gun point blank at Jake Armstrong!

Jake Armstrong seizes up and falls limp, their eyes dead and lifeless...

A holographic image of LEXINGTON flicks to life right before your eyes!

Abel Coates yells, "He was down!"

Sslazhir Yinzr shouts, "YOU SSSTAND IN THE PATH OF A YINZR TODAY!"

ÿSslazhir Yinzr has thrown the revolver.

The electrochromic window was hit by the revolver.

Abel Coates checks Jake Armstrong's pulse.

LOOC: Coolbc2000: Dear lord, did I even hit you?

LEXINGTON states, "Hostile element contained."

ÿSslazhir Yinzr has thrown the speed loader (.357).

PM to-Staff : Ana just executed a downed person

Abel Coates checks Jake Armstrong's pulse.

Abel Coates is trying to empty Jake Armstrong's pockets!

Sslazhir Yinzr puts the revolver into the leather satchel.

Sslazhir Yinzr says, "I need a doctor..."

Ana Roh'hi'tin delivers a coup de'grace.

Inis Truesight holds up the medkit.

Sslazhir Yinzr hisses painfully, clutching his chest.

Abel Coates fires the energy gun point blank at Jake Armstrong!

Abel Coates fires the energy gun point blank at Jake Armstrong!

Sslazhir Yinzr says, "He iss dead."

Abel Coates fires the energy gun point blank at Jake Armstrong!

ÿ!Sslazhir Yinzr examines himself.

Abel Coates says, "Son of a bitch shot me."

 

Second part:

Ana Roh'hi'tin says, "Don't clone him."

You put the roll of gauze into the first-aid kit.

Abraham Nicholas nods.

Ana Roh'hi'tin says, "He shot up securrrrity."

Inis Truesight shouts, "You can't say that!"

Ana Roh'hi'tin says, "She just did. Put a fucking sock in it."

Abraham Nicholas asks, "Is... Any more injured?"

Inis Truesight yells, "It's not your call to make!"

Ana Roh'hi'tin says, "Yes, the people -SHUT UP AND GET OUT"

Ana Roh'hi'tin says, "He is a terrorrrist, and all this blood is him."

Inis Truesight yells, "Fuck that! You killed him in cold blood!"

Abraham Nicholas has analyzed Sslazhir Yinzr's vitals.

Ana Roh'hi'tin says, "He is not getting cloned."

Inis Truesight shouts, "Put it to CC! That's not your call!"

Abraham Nicholas asks, "Have you been treated?"

Sslazhir Yinzr says, "I doubt he would sssurvive after being hit by ssseveral bulletsss."

Ana Roh'hi'tin says, "She just made it herrr call."

Sslazhir Yinzr says, "Yess, I am fine."

Abraham Nicholas nods.

You put the health analyzer into the first-aid kit.

ÿ!Sslazhir Yinzr examines himself.

Ana Roh'hi'tin says, "Therrre was anotherrr officerrr who was shot."

Inis Truesight says, "She was treated."

Abraham Nicholas says, "Yeah, he went to medbay."

Ana Roh'hi'tin says, "Stuff the body in the morrrgue, then. All is good herrre."

Abraham Nicholas says, "I, uh... Yeah, I'm gonna grab this guy and head out then..."

Abraham Nicholas talks into the medical radio headset

Richard Jonson says, "Oh well"

Inis Truesight taps on her PDA's screen.

Richard Jonson says, "I guess thats just the usual shit"

[Common] Odd Aasdahl says, "Cyborgs are not welcome in the R&D Lab."

[Common] Odd Aasdahl says, "Especially the floating ones."

You put the first-aid kit into the satchel.

[Common] Ka'Akaix'Thlee Vess'ex says, "Yezzz they are."

[Common] H.e.L.p states, ""Buzzes""

[Common] Mordecai Farache says, "May the security officer requesting a DNC PDA me."

[Common] Ana Roh'hi'tin says, "No. Do not clone him orrr you can get tossed in a cell too."

Inis Truesight taps on her PDA's screen.

Inis Truesight taps on her PDA's screen.

[Common] Mordecai Farache says, "As an official of NanoTrasen, I cannot uphold to tyranny."

[Common] Oreki Nomura asks, "Tyranny?"

[Common] Mordecai Farache says, "If you continue to make threats, I will sieze interim captain and have you incarcerated for mutiny."

[science] Odd Aasdahl says, "BURN THE OPPRESSORS."

[Common] Sslazhir Yinzr says, "He tried to kill usss."

[Common] Ana Roh'hi'tin says, "You can trrry it, buddy."

[Common] Mordecai Farache says, "He is also protected by the law, like all people."

[Common] Sslazhir Yinzr says, "He broke into the armory, and fired with lethal weaponsss upon usss."

[Common] Arrivals Announcement Computer states, "Marc Price, Head of Security, has completed cryogenic revival."

Omar Wolf says, "I see"

[Common] Mordecai Farache says, "Then we will speak of those things."

[Common] Sslazhir Yinzr says, "Ssso, we did ssstop him ussing lethal force."

Omar Wolf asks, "Officer?"

Q'ara Fayne asks, "Where is that body?"

Q'ara Fayne says, "Don't clone him."

[Common] Ana Roh'hi'tin says, "He is a terrrorrrist, and was shot and killed attempting to murrrderrr securrrity."

[Common] Inis Truesight yells, "Ana shot him while he was unconscious!"

Inis Truesight yells, "Ana shot him while he was unconscious!"

Omar Wolf says, "I don't know"

Q'ara Fayne says, "I'm just a Cadet, but I'm followin' orders."

Omar Wolf says, "Let me ask"

Inis Truesight shouts, "You can't make that call, Fayne!"

Medibot shouts, "Wait Abel Coates! I want to help!"

Medibot points at Abel Coates.

[Common] Mordecai Farache says, "Brief Commander Price then the Commander will speak with me."

[Common] Ana Roh'hi'tin says, "So if you clone him, it is aiding and abetting, and then you arrre accountable forrrr all his crrrimes."

[Common] Sslazhir Yinzr says, "He hasss pretty much done for."

Abel Coates holds up the laser carbine. Take a closer look.

[Common] Inis Truesight yells, "Marc! Ana murdered someone!"

Inis Truesight yells, "Marc! Ana murdered someone!"

[Common] Sslazhir Yinzr says, "Ssseveral bulletsss to hiss chesst."

Q'ara Fayne talks into the security radio headset

[Common] Marc Price says, "Would you people shut the fuck up? I just woke up, for God's sake."

 

So, what we have here is security taking down a violent antag, far enough. However, after the antag goes down, and after a reasonable period of time, Ana walks up and kills him, emoting Ana Roh'hi'tin delivers a coup de'grace.. This shows a very deliberate attempt, OOCly, to kill and remove the player. She then orders medical not to clone the antag, as a security officer. First off, this is a blatant attempt to completely remove a player from the round, for the sheer hell of it. In addition, as per Soundscopes' post in this thread http://aurorastation.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=3933&start=20#p40359 , this has not been countermanded by anything Skull has said, and has been around, in a high profile thread, posted by a high profile staff member, for four months, ignorance is not an excuse. It specifically states there that Security CANNOT force a Do Not Clone order, that power belongs entirely to command staff; leading to this: [Common] Ana Roh'hi'tin says, "So if you clone him, it is aiding and abetting, and then you arrre accountable forrrr all his crrrimes." directed at the only head of staff onboard; apart from the HoS who had arrived literally seconds earlier. And this actually before the HoS arrived: [Common] Mordecai Farache says, "May the security officer requesting a DNC PDA me."

[Common] Ana Roh'hi'tin says, "No. Do not clone him orrr you can get tossed in a cell too."

This is the reasoning for cloning to be done fast, http://aurorastation.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=3933&start=20#p40584 .

In addition, shortly after I contacted off-server admins to come on and deal with this, Sue logged off.

Other cases of Sue suffering complaints for similar reasons related to aggression:

http://aurorastation.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2043&hilit=Ana+Roh As a HoS.

http://aurorastation.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2043&hilit=Ana+Roh&start=10#p19594 Same thread, specific post.

http://aurorastation.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2043&hilit=Ana+Roh&start=30#p19720 Personal attacks, same thread.

http://aurorastation.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2043&hilit=Ana+Roh&start=70#p19870 Claiming the victim, same thread.

New thread, same behaviour, random violence for the sake of it, without any sort of IC attachment. This one was also a breach of Vox Involiate, specifically, the no killing unless extremely necessary one.

http://aurorastation.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2046&hilit=Suethecake

Random killing with admin powers for the sake of killing

http://aurorastation.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=670&p=5516&hilit=Suethecake#p5516

Moderator application in which she immediately turns snarky and rude when challenged:

http://aurorastation.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=450&p=3223&hilit=Suethecake#p3414

On server notes

suethecake Tablespoon 2014-08-24 00:00:00 While this may or may not need mentioning: SueTheCake continues to ahelp anything potantially worthy of admin/mod attention and in general is a huge help to staff. If and when considering punishment, I think it would be important to keep this in mind

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suethecake FFrances 2014-09-27 00:00:00 Extremely abrasive behavior in OOC immediately following the announcement of a vote to introduce antags. http://pastebin.com/c5bSDCJY Was warned about her conduct in OOC directly.

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suethecake PumpkingSlice 2014-10-26 00:00:00 Lasered an officer to death after the officer murdered the warden. (was extended) Had the opportunity to subdue them as they were Head of Security but decided to take a laser rifle from the armoury rather then use other means to stop the officer.

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suethecake FFrances 2014-11-19 00:00:00 As HoS, provoked a full confrontation by trying to arrest the captain for "mutiny" because she disagreed with the manslaughter charge she was given. Sue had previously mistakenly shot a wanted engineer with lethals, causing his death, when the situation did not call for lethals, making the manslaughter charge, if not valid, then at least worth consideration. Her reaction to it was unbecoming of a head of staff, and she is to be whitelist stripped if further incidents of this kind occur, given it's not the first time she's taken the law in her own hands, attempting to arrest her superiors on little basis.

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suethecake Sound Scopes 2015-01-19 00:00:00 Setup a powersink and a non-antag as a forensic tech to take down an AI, she had no skills in electrical engineering at this time

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suethecake Adminbot 2015-02-22 00:00:00 Warning added by conspire2ignite, for: Lethally shooting people is not okay if your life is not immediately in danger. It makes you look bad and every security member look like they're murderers. You can't even know that they are 100% guilty.. || Notes regarding the warning: Shot a fleeing suspect in the head without warning and without good cause. Going lethal immediately really needs to stop..

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suethecake Skull132 2015-05-01 00:00:00 For the sake of recordkeeping. Be on the look-out for shitty security behaviour or rapid escalation of force where unwarranted or debateable. Should instances of those arise while playing Security, lean towards a sec job ban, please.

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suethecake Skull132 2015-05-10 00:00:00 http://aurorastation.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=2353&start=50#p23397

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suethecake Skull132 2015-05-10 00:00:00 Banned for powergaming/metagaming as a ghost against cultists. Generally disrespectful and lacking in sportsmanship like behaviour towards antagonists. Banned for 7 days.

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suethecake Skull132 2015-05-10 00:00:00 PERMA if actions continue following ban.

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suethecake Bakagaijin 2015-07-08 13:21:38 Got into a fight with Chaznoodles. Talked to about if someone's being rude to them not to fight them head on. http://i.gyazo.com/9aa08f6bb7adb1268f55b322b7694dee.png

Some areas are highlighted specifically to show the sort of serial behaviour that I think is the issue here; earliest incident is 26/10/2014

Bear in mind, I am not looking for additional punishments for these evidence threads; I am attempting to build a profile of a community member who is, and has been for a significant period of time, extremely hostile and rude without cause.

The main issues are: bloody-minded hatred towards anything antagonist, to the point of removing them from the round entirely, (see, coup de'grace, DNC)

http://aurorastation.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=4212&p=42253&hilit=Susan#p42242 unprovoked Forum aggression.

http://aurorastation.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=5112&p=51296#p51296 Forum aggression

http://aurorastation.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=5112&p=51222#p51222 Forum aggression

http://aurorastation.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=4353&p=43289#p43289 Forum aggression

http://aurorastation.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=4309&p=43050#p43050 Forum aggression

http://aurorastation.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=4212&p=41891#p41891 Forum aggression

http://aurorastation.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=3674&p=36339#p36339 Forum aggression

http://aurorastation.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=3674&p=36272#p36272 Forum aggression

http://aurorastation.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=3630&p=35733#p35733 Forum aggression

I could go on; but I think I've made my point. Staff actions to curb Sue's visceral aggression has not worked, as shown in admin helps, and all of these logs; something heavier needs to be done to finally sort this out.

Approximate Date/Time: 21:30 GMT 14/02/2016

[Guest Complete Garbage]

As the AI, I witnessed both of the outlined events. It should be of note before I continue, that I haven't had a very long history with Sue.

I agree that the killing an already downed and easily detainable antag was completely unwarranted. Although I admit that, ICly I supported the DNC, looking back, I probably should have evaluated the situation further. It is not the job of a non-command staff to order a DNC. However, at a later time, the HoS did approve the DNC, and the CMO signed off on it. It honestly wasn't my place to decide either.

On another note, I've witnessed Sue's abrasive and passive/active-aggressive attitude on the forums firsthand, and find it unbecoming.

[coolbc2000]

Aye, a dick move really.

As this was a bug character and sadly got ended up as a Traitor, me being me decided to have a show down. It was fun, but I was very surprised when I was executed by a emote when in crit.

And then not being cloned? When you clone someone, you can just arrest them after... There is no hasstle IN cloning someone.

While she has never been hostile to me directly, she has a attitude I dislike, (No haterino) But I do have this small feeling she will lash out on this post sadly...

It was one hell of a gun fight tho.

[UnknownMurder]

I was an Engineer that time. Not sure if this is an enough contribution. I did hear something about Security pressuring CMO not to clone Jake Armstrong.

[Garnascus]

Cloning an antag or not is not up for debate here. As a security officer that is NOT your call to make, end of discussion. Secondly threatening an arrest on the cmo for /doing his job/ is hilariously shit. Lets wait for sue's side though.

[Susan]

Well, I mean, I picked up the e-gun and shot him at the same time accidentally. Between the lag, clickspam, and everything else - its why I stood there for about 30 seconds with a speechbubble trying to figure out what to do.

Yinzr shot him 3 times in the chest with a revolver, he was gonna die anyway. The 30 or so burn from the laser finished him off. So I just rolled with it.

Iunno what more you want me to say than that.

As for whether it's not a security officer's call to make, yadda yadda, I don't agree nor disagree with that statement. Ana thinks highly of herself, so she made threats. I didn't know about the DNC change, I haven't played in more than four months. So shoot me in the foot or something. Whoops.

I have no comment about one-and-two year old resolved topics dredged up for mudslinging - as more than half of those I apologised for and all ended up working out in the end. If you really want to go that far out of your way to scramble for something to give credence to your weird sort of metahate, I mean, I'm not gonna stop you.

[Garnascus]

I mean i think you definitely have a history of going inactive for a while, coming back and posting some sort of aggressive comment. All the while maintaining a holier than thou attitude of "haha aurora is so shit now". IC you can have whatever opinion of yourself you want but...when you use it to try to keep someone out of the round "something you have vehemently argued against" its ends up being kinda...u wot m9?

[coolbc2000]

Ah..

Sadly I was in the "Minor" crit so I saw and heard everythibg up to you shooting me in thr face two times, that armour is kinda good

[Gollee]

I have no comment about one-and-two year old resolved topics dredged up for mudslinging - as more than half of those I apologised for and all ended up working out in the end. If you really want to go that far out of your way to scramble for something to give credence to your weird sort of metahate, I mean, I'm not gonna stop you.

 

They were brought up to show that you have consistent poor and abrasive behaviour towards other players, despite admin action to resolve it, as shown by several player notes. The admin action has not resolved it, the behaviour is continuing, unabated, it needs solving.

[Alberyk]

I did shoot him probably more than 3 times, Yinzr fired the revolver around 12 times, due to the armor he managed to survive some more bullets, but it is rather impossible for the antag to be in soft crit, since one laser would deal around 45 of damage, so he was prettty much in crit. Since all spesssmen have around 200 of health and they get in crit aroud -150, for someone to died due to a single laser hit it would require them to have around -145 to -160 or far less if the armor did soften the blow of the laser. And yes, we were suffering from a terrible lag at time which turned the fight and all into a mess.

About the cloning, I side with campinKiller's opinion. If Ana did try to arrest anyone because of a decision that it was not for her to make, Yinzr would surely baton some sense into her cat-head, but, we did relay the situation to the head of security soon as possible.

[Susan]

Ah..

Sadly I was in the "Minor" crit so I saw and heard everythibg up to you shooting me in thr face two times, that armour is kinda good

 

Ana Roh'hi'tin fires the energy gun point blank at Jake Armstrong!

Jake Armstrong seizes up and falls limp, their eyes dead and lifeless...

 

????

[Guest]

Yinzr shot him 3 times in the chest with a revolver, he was gonna die anyway. The 30 or so burn from the laser finished him off. So I just rolled with it.

Iunno what more you want me to say than that.

As for whether it's not a security officer's call to make, yadda yadda, I don't agree nor disagree with that statement. Ana thinks highly of herself, so she made threats. I didn't know about the DNC change, I haven't played in more than four months. So shoot me in the foot or something. Whoops.

I have no comment about one-and-two year old resolved topics dredged up for mudslinging - as more than half of those I apologised for and all ended up working out in the end. If you really want to go that far out of your way to scramble for something to give credence to your weird sort of metahate, I mean, I'm not gonna stop you.

 

Mercy-killing is still viewed as murder by many law enforcement institutions. And considering in this setting (where very little is different given your own influence on the lore), wherein execution/capital punishment is specifically illegal (given that the Aurora follows guidelines placed down by the independent government of Biesel, executions are not legal within Tau Ceti but this is not always consistently reflected for stations in other sectors), this is a definitive no-no.

And given the circumstances, what happened can be classified as an on-the-spot instant execution of a suspect (meaning, someone who has not been officially charged with a crime but has at the very least been accused of one and is being pursued by law enforcement or security). No trial/tribunal, no brig sentence, no discussion within the chain of command regarding what to do with the suspect. The suspect was shot into critical condition and no endeavors were made to call a medic over to assist them and get them transported to the brig so they can finally be detained properly. I'll also mention that ordering someone DNC basically just says "that character I shot dead is permakilled for the round and you are not allowed to bring them and their player back at all because my badge says so", to me.

The issue is, Sue, you've skirted any sort of action as Ana for a very long time regarding murdering antagonists as security. I totally understand if you've been in situations in which you've had no choice and the only way to save yourself or someone else was to kill the attacker, but it seems like once again you were the one instigating and escalating force beyond what was sensible. In a world with so many non-lethal measures to shoot a dude to the floor, you seem more adamant in using lethal force whenever that's logically possible.

And I won't sugar-coat this: It's shitty. Unbelievably shitty, and it is absolutely not okay to carry out these proactive responses of force as a sec officer.

[Susan]

Like I said, I didn't purposely mean to execute him. I clickspammed to get the egun out from under the same tile he was, was on harm intent, and ended up point-blanking him due to the lag. Alberyk corroborated such - and you can even see in the logs provided the complaints about the lag, and the pause between the fatal shot and me rping a 3-word emote; it was a mistake, but I ended up rolling with it.

As for the DNC policy, I state again I didn't know there was a change. I've been gone for about six months, so I admit fault with that.

But I don't think us shooting him to begin with was unreasonable escalation of force given he broke into the armory, ran out in tactical gear dual-wielding laser rifles and began shooting up security. There was no reason to return non-lethal fire when he was heavily armored and armed and dangerous.

[coolbc2000]

But I don't think us shooting him to begin with was unreasonable escalation of force given he broke into the armory, ran out in tactical gear dual-wielding laser rifles and began shooting up security. There was no reason to return non-lethal fire when he was heavily armored and armed and dangerous.

 

You what? You could have just thrown a flashbang in there and I would be down. You did not even have to be shooting me.

And about the E-gun.. Just no.. People don't just pick up a E-gun ans shoot the guy because of "Lag" First even to pick the gun you have to hover over it and then click it, what you are really trying to say is that you spam clicked the E-gun and JUST moved your mouse over my character and clicked again? Sounds like bull to me...

[TishinaStalker]

But I don't think us shooting him to begin with was unreasonable escalation of force given he broke into the armory, ran out in tactical gear dual-wielding laser rifles and began shooting up security. There was no reason to return non-lethal fire when he was heavily armored and armed and dangerous.

 

You what? You could have just thrown a flashbang in there and I would be down. You did not even have to be shooting me.

And about the E-gun.. Just no.. People don't just pick up a E-gun ans shoot the guy because of "Lag" First even to pick the gun you have to hover over it and then click it, what you are really trying to say is that you spam clicked the E-gun and JUST moved your mouse over my character and clicked again? Sounds like bull to me...

 

If you have alt+clicked on the tile, then the e-gun disappears from the list, and moves up the next item of priority. In this case, it sounds like you were the next item of priority. Since she had already been clicking on the item, you must've popped up, and she clicked you by accident; hence the shot. It's not that implausible.

[Alberyk]

You what? You could have just thrown a flashbang in there and I would be down. You did not even have to be shooting me.

And about the E-gun.. Just no.. People don't just pick up a E-gun ans shoot the guy because of "Lag" First even to pick the gun you have to hover over it and then click it, what you are really trying to say is that you spam clicked the E-gun and JUST moved your mouse over my character and clicked again? Sounds like bull to me...

 

You had lethal weapon, fired at us with a laser rifle, so, answer lethal force with lethal force, I was not risking being murdered and let you stand up after being tasered. So, Yinzr grabbed the revolver, which was evidence, and used against the traitor, no one else had lethals weapons and there was enough place for someone to run in the equipment room, also, I am sure that tactical gear has protection against flashbangs. Using lethal force was fine and the only viable way to don't get more people hurt.

[Susan]

I threw a flashbang.

If you check the logs, I threw one - it didn't work because you had the tactical hud glasses on, which are effectively sechuds and block flashbangs.

My intent wasn't to kill the guy - Yinzr took my satchel; I was entirely unarmed save stun weapons. I had a revolver as evidence, which Yinzr took and used to down the suspect. The armory was open. I could have gone and gotten a lethal weapon, but I tried throwing flashbangs instead, which did not non-lethally incapacitate the subject. The only other weapons I had were a taser and baton, both ineffective at taking down someone in heavily armored tactical gear. Yinzr dropped him, I ran up and tried to get his e-gun away from him and clicked him on accident, too, given I was on harm intent it point-blank fired.

What Tishina says is true.

[Guest]

sigh.

Would've been nice to have this context of the situation in the OP.

[Gollee]

I don't have any problem with the antag getting killed in the firefight. That's normal. Shooting them after the fact then issuing a DNC is not.

[Guest]

I don't have any problem with the antag getting killed in the firefight. That's normal. Shooting them after the fact then issuing a DNC is not.

 

They did state it was a mistake, but then the intent gets muddled when it comes to the issuing of the DNC. So was it actually an accident, if that were the case? Because it seems like Sue wanted them to stay dead at that point.

The only merit I see from the complaint is that a lowly security officer threatened to depose command staff because they didn't want the criminal cloned. That, and the OOC nonsense from forums.

[Susan]

I followed IC; the guy came in and shot up security. Like I said, I wasn't aware that there was a change in the policy regarding security issuing DNCs - so I got hostile with the CMO when I wasn't in my authority anymore.

I accidentally killed him, but its not exactly in-character to forgo and ignore all of what he did. If I had known security wasn't allowed to issue DNCs anymore, I wouldn't have fought back.

[Gollee]

I'd be inclined to believe you, if it wasn't for these:

suethecake Tablespoon 2014-08-24 00:00:00 While this may or may not need mentioning: SueTheCake continues to ahelp anything potantially worthy of admin/mod attention and in general is a huge help to staff. If and when considering punishment, I think it would be important to keep this in mind

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suethecake FFrances 2014-09-27 00:00:00 Extremely abrasive behavior in OOC immediately following the announcement of a vote to introduce antags. http://pastebin.com/c5bSDCJY Was warned about her conduct in OOC directly.

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suethecake PumpkingSlice 2014-10-26 00:00:00 Lasered an officer to death after the officer murdered the warden. (was extended) Had the opportunity to subdue them as they were Head of Security but decided to take a laser rifle from the armoury rather then use other means to stop the officer.

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suethecake FFrances 2014-11-19 00:00:00 As HoS, provoked a full confrontation by trying to arrest the captain for "mutiny" because she disagreed with the manslaughter charge she was given. Sue had previously mistakenly shot a wanted engineer with lethals, causing his death, when the situation did not call for lethals, making the manslaughter charge, if not valid, then at least worth consideration. Her reaction to it was unbecoming of a head of staff, and she is to be whitelist stripped if further incidents of this kind occur, given it's not the first time she's taken the law in her own hands, attempting to arrest her superiors on little basis.

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suethecake Sound Scopes 2015-01-19 00:00:00 Setup a powersink and a non-antag as a forensic tech to take down an AI, she had no skills in electrical engineering at this time

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suethecake Adminbot 2015-02-22 00:00:00 Warning added by conspire2ignite, for: Lethally shooting people is not okay if your life is not immediately in danger. It makes you look bad and every security member look like they're murderers. You can't even know that they are 100% guilty.. || Notes regarding the warning: Shot a fleeing suspect in the head without warning and without good cause. Going lethal immediately really needs to stop..

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suethecake Skull132 2015-05-01 00:00:00 For the sake of recordkeeping. Be on the look-out for shitty security behaviour or rapid escalation of force where unwarranted or debateable. Should instances of those arise while playing Security, lean towards a sec job ban, please.

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suethecake Skull132 2015-05-10 00:00:00 http://aurorastation.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=2353&start=50#p23397

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suethecake Skull132 2015-05-10 00:00:00 Banned for powergaming/metagaming as a ghost against cultists. Generally disrespectful and lacking in sportsmanship like behaviour towards antagonists. Banned for 7 days.

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suethecake Skull132 2015-05-10 00:00:00 PERMA if actions continue following ban.

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suethecake Bakagaijin 2015-07-08 13:21:38 Got into a fight with Chaznoodles. Talked to about if someone's being rude to them not to fight them head on. http://i.gyazo.com/9aa08f6bb7adb1268f55b322b7694dee.png

 

And the fact that I saw you several times in December and January on server; and even if you weren't on server, you were on the forums; where the post actually was, and since it's an announcement topic, and it is/was a post by the Head Dev, it's pretty neglectful not to have seen it.

http://aurorastation.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=4888&p=49055#p49055 18/01/2016

http://aurorastation.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=4653&p=46689#p46689 30/12/2015

[Susan]

Those notes are up to and over a year old. You're kind of grasping.

But I mean, I'm not gonna make you believe anything. You're free to believe what you want. I'll just wait for an admin to come in.

[Guest Complete Garbage]

Those notes are up to and over a year old. You're kind of grasping.

But I mean, I'm not gonna make you believe anything. You're free to believe what you want. I'll just wait for an admin to come in.

 

I think the point of those links were to show that you were active at the time the announcement about DNC changes were made.

[Gollee]

Those notes are up to and over a year old. You're kind of grasping.

But I mean, I'm not gonna make you believe anything. You're free to believe what you want. I'll just wait for an admin to come in.

 

I think the point of those links were to show that you were active at the time the announcement about DNC changes were made.

 

Correct, and to show that there is unacceptable behaviour that has existed, has continued to exist, and will continue to exist unless something is done to prevent that.