Outboarduniform Posted March 15, 2016 Posted March 15, 2016 give them a multitool. seriously , they need to be able to open the fire axe case without breaking it during emergencies.
Carver Posted March 16, 2016 Posted March 16, 2016 Doesn't a crowbar offer exactly the same benefit as a fire axe for all legitimate purposes? Though I will say it's odd that you need some kind of fancy-ass tool to open a fire axe case, when everything else is ID operated.
Fire and Glory Posted March 16, 2016 Posted March 16, 2016 Doesn't a crowbar offer exactly the same benefit as a fire axe for all legitimate purposes? Sometimes you need to break a few windows though.
Dreviore Posted March 16, 2016 Posted March 16, 2016 Doesn't a crowbar offer exactly the same benefit as a fire axe for all legitimate purposes? Sometimes you need to break a few windows though. Gotta break a few windows in order to succeed in life.
Outboarduniform Posted March 16, 2016 Author Posted March 16, 2016 when someone is dying you can just cut through the window with ease versus a crowbar
Carver Posted March 16, 2016 Posted March 16, 2016 Fair enough. As I mentioned though it'd make more sense to just make fire axe cases unlockable with IDs, and keeping the multitool as the less-than-legal option to get it. What's the point of an emergency case that you have to hack or smash with something to access? And yes I know a lot of fire alarms and real life cases need to be smashed, but those also include objects on-hand like little knockers to smash them. Here you have to go find something random to crack the glass.
Nanako Posted March 16, 2016 Posted March 16, 2016 I don't agree. There's a supply of crowbars around medbay if you need to be forcing open doors to reach patients. At the very least, there's one in the EMT storage, and one in the emergency toolbox in the medical storage room above it. A fire axe is a weaponised crowbar, there's no legitimate reason for a medic to have one -1 from me
Jboy2000000 Posted March 16, 2016 Posted March 16, 2016 Yeah, theres no reason for the EMT's to have a fire axe. Except for the reason they already said. The GOOD reason they already said. when someone is dying you can just cut through the window with ease versus a crowbar
Guest Posted March 16, 2016 Posted March 16, 2016 the point of a fireaxe case is that you're not supposed to break it unless it's an emergency if it's an emergency then fucking break it I feel like there's a really funny joke about what happens when you keep a fire axe in a case on a submarine.
Nanako Posted April 19, 2016 Posted April 19, 2016 after finally trying out the fireaxe during a malf AI round today, i have to rescind my earlier opinion. The fire axe is amazingly useful for breaking through windows, airlocks, and grilles. i support this idea
Guest Complete Garbage Posted April 19, 2016 Posted April 19, 2016 I believe pickaxes do the same thing, albeit a little less effectively. Although I think that the fire axe should be ID-accessible by atmos techs, EMTs, the CE, and maybe some select others.
Zundy Posted April 19, 2016 Posted April 19, 2016 Or they could ask for access? Why are EMTs destroying the station? Why only EMTs? Why not just ask the AI? May as well give sec fireaxes as well for the same reasons.
Guest Posted April 19, 2016 Posted April 19, 2016 A fire-axe is already an all-access tool to any part of the station separating two areas with windows and grilles. In the event an emergency starts, just break the glass and actually be held accountable for your actions.
Nanako Posted April 20, 2016 Posted April 20, 2016 Although I think that the fire axe should be ID-accessible by atmos techs, EMTs, the CE, and maybe some select others. I like this idea, swipe your ID to open and close the container. Or they could ask for access? Why are EMTs destroying the station? Why only EMTs? Why not just ask the AI? May as well give sec fireaxes as well for the same reasons. Asking for access and ID processing takes time. People are dying. Asking the AI is good if its there, but AIs are often not present, afk, or otherwise unresponsive. It would suck to an unbelievable degree to die while doctors look on, because the AI's player went to the bathroom. Give them to security? Sure, i've often thought about the same thing. However a fire axe is a cumbersome item, and security often wants to carry other things. Personally I'd rather see security get some kind of specialised doorjacking tool that'd work even better, but that's an idea for another thread
Conservatron Posted April 22, 2016 Posted April 22, 2016 if you need a fireaxe, either ask an engineer to unlock the case or smash it open (you CAN break the glass, after all) If we give multi tools to doctors just give a chem dispenser to science and a sleeper to engineering
DatBerry Posted April 23, 2016 Posted April 23, 2016 Just ask cargo for one? Any medium sized 10 damage item can hurt airlocks, with a crowbar and a fire extinguisher you can open any unbolted airlock, might take a bit more hits than the fireaxe/hacking/AI but that's what you would expect of a emergency ghetto solution
Nanako Posted April 23, 2016 Posted April 23, 2016 If we give multi tools to doctors just give a chem dispenser to science Science already has a chem dispenser. Plus individual sulphuric acid dispensers in a few labs
Zundy Posted April 23, 2016 Posted April 23, 2016 (edited) Personally I'd rather see security get some kind of specialised doorjacking tool that'd work even better Love THAT idea. In the context of this thread, nah fam no multi-tools for EMTs. However, if some one were to suggest the quoted for EMT's and Sec, I'd +1 that! Edited April 23, 2016 by Guest
Outboarduniform Posted April 23, 2016 Author Posted April 23, 2016 ask an engineer to unlock the case >be me >paramedic >need fire axe because someone is dying in science and we have no AI and limited research team. >they're unable to give me access >fireaxe is only way >ask engineer >engineer says to fuck off >RIP scientist
Zundy Posted April 23, 2016 Posted April 23, 2016 You don't need the fire axe, you just want it because its quicker. Breeching charges and thermite are also quicker. It just doesn't make sense for EMTs to just have those and besides, you can still break the glass in an emergency.
Conservatron Posted April 23, 2016 Posted April 23, 2016 ask an engineer to unlock the case >be me >paramedic >need fire axe because someone is dying in science and we have no AI and limited research team. >they're unable to give me access >fireaxe is only way >ask engineer >engineer says to fuck off >RIP scientist fireaxe is only way break glass, take fireaxe problem solved its literally a 'break in case of emergency' container
DatBerry Posted April 23, 2016 Posted April 23, 2016 fireaxe is only way break glass, take fireaxe problem solved its literally a 'break in case of emergency' container Have you tried breaking the glass before? Hatchets nor stunbatons nor toolboxes would even damage it, i think you would have to steal the circular saw and even that might not work
Guest Complete Garbage Posted April 24, 2016 Posted April 24, 2016 Welders can open it iirc but that's the only thing other than multitool/AI, as far as I know. Everything else just bounces off.
GreenLightbulb Posted April 24, 2016 Posted April 24, 2016 Paramedics get a full toolkit. Surely they can find something in there to smash open the fire-axe case?
Zundy Posted April 24, 2016 Posted April 24, 2016 If the fire axe case can't be broken without a multi-tool or welder then that is mega shit. I don't think EMT's should get multi-tools but god damn those cases need to be nerfed otherwise (though that's a topic for a different thread).
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