Player Complaint- Lilsh4

[witchbells]

From my perspective the 'score' thing was a joke. It was intentional to piss off Hive as I previously stated. I'm so fucking sorry if you can't take a joke.

 

The only reason you are not facing a permanent ban is because it happened on another discord.

Uhhh that comment was on our discord.

 

 

And that's going to be as far as it goes.

"Thin ice" is an understatement in regards to Lilsh4's behavior. If it happens here, there is a significant likelihood of a ban.

[Scheveningen]

As one of the individuals who reviewed the first report by hive, before the rest of this evidence came up, the original position the staff held was that in spite of how utterly disgusting it is for a player to admit that they'd literally jump at the opportunity to molest someone that goes to their school, we (at the time) initially could not do much because the policy on handling players that conduct themselves differently on other servers when not representing any cause but their own is one that avoids proactively banning people from the server based on opinions or things said by them. If they are a moderator or administrator and go about griefing and flaunting their title about, "I am staff on another server" as an excuse when breaking the rules or something, then action will and shall be taken, goes the same for players who try to "raid". But unless they occupy those groups, the policy is no-interference, we (at the time) did not know the player was going to conduct themselves in such way and thus cannot be responsible for them, ultimately, it is not staff's business to make out-of-server issues their business. That mistake was made once with the apartment server way back, and wisdom says to avoid making the same mistake twice. We (at the time) told Hive that we could not do much unless the player came back and escalated.

And then it escalated. So there is an implication on what would be done here, and I do not think it would be prudent to merely hand out a warning to someone who, after they return to the server and attempt to bait and pester Hivefleetchicken, would also repeat the same sexual-predator-esque rhetoric as outlined to us initially in the first report that had to be dismissed by itself because it was an off-server issue.

Now it is not that, which I think makes this easier.

While I don't think we should make it a point to remove people we (as a community) fundamentally and morally disagree with, I would consider this case an exception. Hive did not necessarily do anything wrong, it is not wrong to be angry about someone who literally admits to want to molest underage teens. I don't care how old he is, this kind of language of gross admission is unbecoming for a player if not just a human being with any sense of a personal filter. It is wrong to say these things, especially when attempting to bait someone. Ironically saying abhorrent things is never a good excuse, it is still abhorrent to say and they should be held responsible. A joke is only funny when it is good enough taste for people to laugh at. Shocking that unfunny and offensive jokes offend people and make them want to take action against the people who act so morally and socially insensitive. It is lacking in moral character and absolutely disgusting to voice such awful things, I am not mincing words here because someone having said this in real life at school or in the workplace would receive an equally tough or worse response.

The staff should escalate accordingly. I don't think attaching a mere warning would be sufficient for this kind of conduct, this goes beyond the usual familiar MO of dealing with other cases that don't deal with personal issues or players lacking the moral character to conduct themselves properly. A line needs to be drawn here between acceptable and what is not acceptable.

[LilSh4]

I understand the discord joke, I stated that [mention]nursiekitty[/mention]. Please read what I say in defense.

Although if you extend things to a personal DM not even meant to harass from the other side of this year, when I didn't even play Aurora much at all(technically I still don't.)

Then I'm telling you to fuck off and I'm fucking off.

[hivefleetchicken]

feel free to

[LilSh4]

lolno.

I'm going to start on first image; None of Aurora's concern. Whatever prompted me to talk about a potential fetish, I'm not sure and I don't care. It's not Aurora's business. Maybe not Hive's either then since it clearly disturbed him. It's not as if I carried on and on about it to harass Hive. That was almost half a year ago on another server. To note on intentions to 'literally jump at the opportunity to molest someone that goes to their school'... Are you dense? The little DM was about theoretics and fantasy. I even comment on how it'd be a retarded thing to do regardless of morals. And no I probably would not literally go about it. How embarrassing!

The second image; No defense needed, Hive hounds me.

The third? I've stated this but that was a """"""""joke""""""" (jeez you needed the quotations?) solely posted to piss off Hive. To be fair I was agitated, but I also already recognized that it's going too far in this community. A warning is totally reasonable for that shit. A ban for the one time I slip up about that? Fuck off.

Beyond that, my only other note is that if my speech in other servers, in personal DMs and whatnot need to not be disgusting and need to reflect good Aurora behavior- fuck off some more.

I'm just a player pal, I don't represent you.

[Skull132]

You should probably do a doubletake and check yourself before you dig your hole too far deep.

If your intent here is to solely piss off Hive, then you're free to walk out the door you're not even half-way in, considering:

(technically I still don't [play on this server].)

 

You should also almost certainly pay respect to the gravity of the accusations raised against you, instead of going, "lel its just a joke man". While I find it dubious to reach for the ban button for the case of, "He acted as a degenerate in a den of degeneracy," the accusations having minimal grounds is no reason to act as aggressive here as you have. If your attitude is to tell staff to fuck off, which you have now done repeatedly in situations where you really have no grounds to, then I do not think we, as a community, are a good fit for you.

And for full disclosure. I was actually completely against doing anything other than what Tomiix outlined up until I read your responses here. I hate Hive's capacity to snipe at individuals over irrelevant shit they did elsewhere all the while he searches for his own moral high ground. But jesus christ, that does not excuse being toxic and disrespectful of your own accord towards both staff, Hive, and the players.

[Scheveningen]

And for full disclosure. I was actually completely against doing anything other than what Tomiix outlined up until I read your responses here. I hate Hive's capacity to snipe at individuals over irrelevant shit they did elsewhere all the while he searches for his own moral high ground. But jesus christ, that does not excuse being toxic and disrespectful of your own accord towards both staff, Hive, and the players.

 

If this confrontation had stayed in the Lifeweb community (Where it probably belongs, considering this server has very low tolerance for shitflinging) I wouldn't have cared, nor should have anyone cared. What they do or say off-server is really none of my particular concern, but LilSh4 makes a worse case for themselves deciding to be insulting to staff members and being quite adamant on attempting to bait Hive, right on these forums. [mention]LilSh4[/mention] and [mention]hivefleetchicken[/mention] should know better than to conduct themselves in such a way, I believe.

Little tip, [mention]LilSh4[/mention]. Seeking confrontation either for the sake of it or in seeking to cast other community members low in the eyes of others (especially in the sloppy and aggressive way you've done it) will not end well for you. Own up to your failings in communication, drop your grudge-matches and just stop. Nobody enjoys the drama. You had the option to leave, so you had done so for awhile, but now you are here again, for what? The fact you come back, pick a fight with hive, claim "I don't even play here" so as to recuse yourself from responsibility is just really immature of you to be doing.

 

lolno.

I'm going to start on first image; None of Aurora's concern. Whatever prompted me to talk about a potential fetish, I'm not sure and I don't care. It's not Aurora's business. Maybe not Hive's either then since it clearly disturbed him. It's not as if I carried on and on about it to harass Hive. That was almost half a year ago on another server. To note on intentions to 'literally jump at the opportunity to molest someone that goes to their school'... Are you dense? The little DM was about theoretics and fantasy. I even comment on how it'd be a retarded thing to do regardless of morals. And no I probably would not literally go about it. How embarrassing!

The second image; No defense needed, Hive hounds me.

The third? I've stated this but that was a """"""""joke""""""" (jeez you needed the quotations?) solely posted to piss off Hive. To be fair I was agitated, but I also already recognized that it's going too far in this community. A warning is totally reasonable for that shit. A ban for the one time I slip up about that? Fuck off.

Beyond that, my only other note is that if my speech in other servers, in personal DMs and whatnot need to not be disgusting and need to reflect good Aurora behavior- fuck off some more.

I'm just a player pal, I don't represent you.

 

Read your entire post back to yourself. Pretend, for a moment, that entire post that you wrote is aimed at yourself, and you are the person that has to read and process that. See through the eyes of another for a moment and take into consideration the attitudes that clash here, their reasoning for clashing, and the morals and values they hold. Place yourself into the shoes of another and really think on what you've said.

You. Must. Conduct yourself. Properly. On this server. We expect this of everyone, staff or not. Be fair to other people. That is all we ask, and when you defy that, do not be surprised when others become angry in return.

[mention]hivefleetchicken[/mention] may also learn a similar lesson here. I understand you do not have much tolerance for the "kind of person" Lilsh4 is, whether your anger towards them is justifiable or not is really none of my concern, but; there is always a right way to do things. There are ways to go about interacting with people in a fashion where currents push naturally to ensure events and their consequences fall into place. Understand this, because it's a lesson I learned: Heavy-handedness and cruel words only work for as long as people are willing to suffer them. Anger, frustration and hatefulness only complicates the process to ensure those who do wrong are held accountable, and those who stand accused are offered enough benefit of the doubt so that the seeking of justice does not become corrupted and create a victim of circumstance.

[LilSh4]

I'm on mobile but lemme try to clear a couple things up. I never meant to use 'I technically don't play here' as an excuse. It was to emphasize how I wasn't even able to come back here without this happening because Hive suddenly picked a fight with me. This issue is retarded and I said from the start I'm not taking this shit seriously.

[sonicgotnuked]

I am technically not part of this, but I only wish to point out the seriousness that comes with joking about child molestation. Hell, I am 16 and I shit post and joke a lot about stupid shit, but I will never bring child molestation into my shit post loop as that is a line I will refuse to cross.

It is not or never will be a joke, ever. Do not even try to explain how it is a joke, this is a massive problem in society where some people will use the younger generation of our species that can't defend themselves for their sick pleasure. This will fuck up a child life, permanently and only later deep down into life they are able to maybe get better.

I am going to keep my personal opinions out of this topic as it can end up going into a two hour rant. I only feel that LilSh4 needs to reflect the topic on what he decided to joke about, placed on thin ice, and never bring anything about it onto the server as this is the view of someone who has next to zero relationship with the two parties involved.

Lastly, to repeat what hive said, the "horny teenager" should not be an excuse, that just puts more worry into the entire situation in general.

[LilSh4]

I'm gonna try hard not to insult you buddy, but I already said multiple times I know those jokes are not to be brought to this server, it was a simple slip up becAuse I'm not used to dealing with hive beyond ironically agreeing with whatever the hell he says(because denial gets me more trouble) and ignoring him like I had planned to on this server. Too bad he didn't ignore me, right? Anyways, he'd be blocked on discord but that also causes me more trouble because he uses other people to spam me. I tried to be civilized prior to the complaint but I see I fucked it up, right? Iirc talk of being close to a ban was thrown about- for one slip up, one joke you all don't like? Such shitty reason especially after I've been constantly apologizing(or trying to express similar) about that joke. Our ideas of jokes are different, is all.

Edit: to answer the question of [mention]Scheveningen[/mention]

You had the option to leave, so you had done so for awhile, but now you are here again, for what? The fact you come back, pick a fight with hive, claim "I don't even play here" so as to recuse yourself from responsibility is just really immature of you to be doing.

 

I came to Aurora to enjoy ss13 a little. Don't act like I started this shit, Hive did, as he does everywhere. Everywhere I go and he goes he tries to spread hate. I know I'm helping with my behavior but that's because I don't care enough, I'm not friends with any of you and why care for a server I can't play on before I'm banned?

Edited July 19, 2017 by Guest

[hivefleetchicken]

I'm gonna try hard not to insult you buddy, but I already said multiple times I know those jokes are not to be brought to this server, it was a simple slip up becAuse I'm not used to dealing with hive beyond ironically agreeing with whatever the hell he says(because denial gets me more trouble) and ignoring him like I had planned to on this server. Too bad he didn't ignore me, right? Anyways, he'd be blocked on discord but that also causes me more trouble because he uses other people to spam me. I tried to be civilized prior to the complaint but I see I fucked it up, right? Iirc talk of being close to a ban was thrown about- for one slip up, one joke you all don't like? Such shitty reason especially after I've been constantly apologizing(or trying to express similar) about that joke. Our ideas of jokes are different, is all.

 

This reply is so dishonest its staggering. Where is your civility prior to the complaint? Was that bragging about scoring in regards to child molestation?

You say they have such a shitty reason to be mad at you due to the fact that you've been constantly apologizing but Id like you to go through your posts and find a single instance in which you said sorry and not this:

 

Hm. 16 - Sexual assault isn't okay bud, neither is joking about it.

 

Joking about it is 100% okay. But I know you people don't think the same

 

(No thats not his full reply but all i could take from it that was relevant)

[Scheveningen]

This is getting nowhere near productive. It would probably be best to lock this until staff can figure this out.

[LilSh4]

I have posts on the first second and third page of this thread expressing that I went a bit far. I'll quote them later but the first time was lighthearted, then an agitated response that it was just s joke my dude, then I believe I said I generally try to keep it out, then repeated to nursie that I know it goes too far here. There could be others but I'll give it a good look later.

In order from first expressions of 'that was too far' in regards to the 'score' joke to the last so far:

You know I kinda respect this place and it's rules. That's why I never do any dark humor around it. Until I taunted Hive of course.

Warn me if you like but dammit you better warn Hive harder for being a dick.

 

From my perspective the 'score' thing was a joke. It was intentional to piss off Hive as I previously stated. I'm so fucking sorry if you can't take a joke.

 

This post is a little more because if you ask me, I feel like none of you know 'to each their own'. To me, comedy is something a little different than to you I suppose. But this one still recognizes it wasn't meant for this place.

This is also the same one Hive quoted; except he left out the important bit about not cracking them of course.

Joking about it is 100% okay. But I know you people don't think the same which repeats my previous point about usually not cracking them- Oh lord I'm repeating a lot tonight.

Lemme get that Ctrl C + v in action..

And here I tell Nursie to read what I previously stated about trying not to crack these dark jokes with no place here. I did get hostile at the end, telling her off for trying to claim the server's authority over my private DMs with no relation to harassment or the server itself either.

I understand the discord joke, I stated that nursiekitty. Please read what I say in defense

The hostilities from the post this came from was to express outrage if I were to be banned for one single line, a single 'bad' joke made in the public discord. If all it takes is that then who wants to be here? Just not me, yo.

The third? I've stated this but that was a """"""""joke""""""" (jeez you needed the quotations?) solely posted to piss off Hive. To be fair I was agitated, but I also already recognized that it's going too far in this community. A warning is totally reasonable for that shit. A ban for the one time I slip up about that? Fuck off.

And now we're here, [mention]hivefleetchicken[/mention]. Caught up?

[Resilynn]

I want to join in briefly and say I am also incredibly uncomfortable playing with someone who makes or excuses rape jokes. The joke may not have been made on our server or forum, but you defended it on our forum. Just joking is not a defense, you still said it, and it was a fucking horrible thing to say. I don't care if you're banned, really, but I wanted to make sure I spoke up.

[witchbells]

Joking about it is 100% okay. But I know you people don't think the same which repeats my previous point about usually not cracking them- Oh lord I'm repeating a lot tonight.

Lemme get that Ctrl C + v in action..

And here I tell Nursie to read what I previously stated about trying not to crack these dark jokes with no place here. I did get hostile at the end, telling her off for trying to claim the server's authority over my private DMs with no relation to harassment or the server itself either.

 

For reference, both of the incidents I listed are things that we have already punished people for. We've also given someone the boot for making rape jokes on the server.

 

I understand the discord joke, I stated that nursiekitty. Please read what I say in defense

The hostilities from the post this came from was to express outrage if I were to be banned for one single line, a single 'bad' joke made in the public discord. If all it takes is that then who wants to be here? Just not me, yo.

 

Staff has reached a decision regarding your behavior. As I said, you are lucky to have not already been banned for this, and if you disagree with our decision, you have a plethora of options. If you understand this, and that there will be consequences if you decide to bring this to the server, I will happily lock the thread.

[LilSh4]

Thank you, whoever pulled their finger off the ban-happy switch for first offenders.

I don't mind that you don't like those kind of jokes. I'll pull them whether you like them or not, BUT AWAY FROM AURORA as I have for however long I was actively around(Maybe a year?)

And I'll be happy to wait for that decision, whenever it's actually told to me. [mention]nursiekitty[/mention]

[witchbells]

Thank you, whoever pulled their finger off the ban-happy switch for first offenders.

I don't mind that you don't like those kind of jokes. I'll pull them whether you like them or not, BUT AWAY FROM AURORA as I have for however long I was actively around(Maybe a year?)

And I'll be happy to wait for that decision, whenever it's actually told to me. nursiekitty

 

The decision is as I've already said. Consider this a warning that any instance of these kinds of jokes on Aurora's forums, discord, or server, will be met with a ban.

[witchbells]

The conditions of this require you to actually acknowledge the decision, [mention]LilSh4[/mention].

[LilSh4]

Say so sooner, sheesh.

Sure.

[witchbells]

Great. Locked and archived.