[Denied] HunterRS Head of Staff App

[HunterRS]

BYOND key: HunterRS

Character names: Edgar Dawnguard, Marcus Aquila, Katelyn Black, Alexis Thompson, Centurion and Praetorian

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How long have you been playing on Aurora?: About 2 years now, took the summer off

Why do you wish to be on the whitelist?: To be able to RP more with most people, as most of the time I am ignored through RP, also to help people around with stuff they don't know

Why did you come to Aurora?: After I left my last RP server i was hanging around and friend showed me Aurora

Have you read the Aurora wiki on the head roles and qualifications you plan on playing?: Of course

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Please provide well articulated answers to the following questions in a paragraph each.

Give a definition of what you think roleplay is, and should be about: Roleplay is the interaction of two or more peoples characters that they create. Roleplay is fun for all and it shouldn't be a thing to get mad about. After all it's just a game. Roleplay should be fun for all parties, and it shouldn't add OOC sources to changed characters. If a character doesn't like it they should ask for help during it.

What do you think the OOC purpose of a Head of Staff is, ingame?: Ingame, IC, they are supposed to make sure their department runs as smooth as possible with minimal faults. They are supposed to help new people with what they are doing and help anyone that needs help. They should be able to keep their cool in most situations, and act correctly in them. They are suppose to make sure the people in their department are fine and not yelling at each other.

What do you think the OOC responsibilities of Whitelisted players are to other players, and how would you strive to uphold them?: I feel OOC the whistlisted players should be able to keep a cool head and be calm most of the time, not really getting angry at anyone. Of course they should follow the rules and if someone is breaking them and not knowing it, tell them before ahelping.

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Please pick one of your characters for this section, and provide well articulated responses to the following questions.

I have two so I am doing both cause why not.

Character name: Edgar Dawnguard

Character age: 37

Please provide a short biography of this character (approx 2 paragraphs): Edgar was born into a large family on Mars, with two brothers and a sister, him being the oldest. Edgar's parents were engineers, designing and making ways to pressurize areas on Mars cheaply. Edgar always wanted to create and innovate items to help people. He always was with his family making new ideas for his parents to try out. When he was in school he excelled in math and science. Edgar always had a joking way to mess with people. Edgar was the comedy of his family, making funny gadgets to pull pranks on people for a joke. Edgar graduated high school and was offered a scholarship at Mars University where he attended college.

Edgar went to Lowell City College for four years, going to obtain a Masters in Robotics, wanting to make new machine and gadgets to help the quality of life. After his second year he was offered an internship as a roboticist. He agreed and was in the position while he completed his course, after Graduating he was offered a position aboard a research station by NanoTrason. He agreed and liked how it was organized and the security of the stations. He worked there for a few years and wondered how alien lifeforms worked to broaden is way on how robotics worked. As he worked there there he made many synthetics, including something have gone rogue. He has helped fuel the free synth debate by created synthetics to work for station. He questioned his line of work on how he is destroying jobs, but he continued work nonetheless, still questioning the ethnic of making robots to destroy jobs and take people's lives. He questioned if forced cyborgifications is right, and vowed to never borg someone without permission, putting a DNB in his medical records once hired.

He went to Mars University and attended there for 8 years, making a deal with NanoTrason to extend his contract in for the company to pay for his tuition. Years into his studies to started working interns on various stations and labs, experimenting. When he graduated he started working as both a Xenobiologist and a Roboticist. He was then transferred to the NSS Aurora before it was decommissioned for refitting. He was then transferred to the NSS Exodus, where he has caught up with his friends and family.

What do you like about this character?: I like Edgar because he is a friendly guy to play, doesn't want to see people hurt, and will help people if in need.

What do you dislike about this character?: One of the major things I don't like about him is how dedicated he is to his job and work. He likes to work, but will spend days working on something.

What do you think makes this character fit to be a head of staff?: I think Edgar would fit because he is mostly calm and can be very calm in crisis situations. He likes to stay positive, even during crisis situations, he would help out the people stay calm.

Character name: Katelyn Black

Character age: 36

Please provide a short biography of this character (approx 2 paragraphs): Katelyn was born in Mendell city in 2423, as an only child. She was taught many lessons about how to always earn what you do, and not cheat people out. Going into high school she wanted to be a biochemical engineer, but biology, chemistry and medicine caught her interest and she decided to go to med school. Going to med school in 2441 for over 7 years, she graduated with a Doctorate with a specialization in chemistry and medicine in 2448

After she graduated she worked at a hospital in Mendell city, working her way up and leading surgeons, teaching new interns, and helping patients. There working she met her now fiancee, Dr. James Shields. Together they worked through hundreds of surgeries. She worked there and became one of the most trustworthy doctors in the hospital. She worked there for 9 years before being offered a position aboard the NSS Exodus. She accepted the position and has been working there for 2 years.

Over the time of her work, she has seen many gruesome deaths and injuries, where she has had to treat and fix. She promised to herself never to make things violent.

What do you like about this character?: She is a trustworthy figure and is able to lead groups, she works hard and pays attention when needed.

What do you dislike about this character?: She is a pacifist and will not fight back, even If her life is at risk. The one time I see her fighting is when she has to.

What do you think makes this character fit to be a head of staff?: They are dependable and are able to lead a department. Also She is able to guide new interns in the field

 

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Please provide well articulated answers to the following questions.

How would you rate your own roleplaying?: I feel like over my break it has gotten better, I have done other things and have learned what to do, still not the best but okay to be able to do most things with.

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Extra notes:

Edited August 8, 2017 by Guest

[Mappel6]

Got just one criticism of this.

There is no such thing as a 'Medical Docter(sic) PhD,' medical doctorates are called 'MD' instead. That is all.

I've seen a good amount of Dawnguard and think he'd do pretty well as RD, seeming pretty capable and in-control as interim during an old-Uprising round where I'd converted some of his department to Loyalists and snuck into that area myself as a safe-zone when the cult's virus was released. The application itself I'm a little iffy on but that's mainly because very little goes in-depth. I personally think Hunter is fairly qualified for the whitelist, as they do seem to understand what RP is at its core and do seem to be pretty capable, at it, and anything bad I've heard about them, as a player, is very old. So old that I can't remember what exactly the problem was, only that there was a problem at some point in time. Think it was some argument in the Discord or something. Few months at least.

Anyways. +1 from me. I suggest advertising a bit more, and poking the app in the direction of people who know you well and know how you play and RP.

[HunterRS]

Got just one criticism of this.

There is no such thing as a 'Medical Docter(sic) PhD,' medical doctorates are called 'MD' instead. That is all.

 

 

Ah, noticed, updated, thanks for noticing, and thanks for the reply.

[Arrow768]

Those interations that I have with him are usually quite nice.

He´s one of the few scientists that actually offers stuff produced in research to other departments.

Its a +1 from me

(I´ll never forget when the teleported into the caps office, stole the disk, left the pipointer behind. Left prints on the door and then got tracked down with the pinpointer)

[JKJudgeX]

Dawnguard is one of my favorite scientists to rely on as Interim RD and I've promoted them at least a couple of times, and relied on them as a liaison for the research department a few more times beyond that. Good about keeping command informed and being at the ready to assist when trouble arises.

Beyond the functional side of playing the role, Dawnguard and Alexis Beck are both great characters to RP with, and have been around for a while.

I think I've interacted with Centurion a few times as well, with me on the receiving end of security operations as crazy ol' Vyleon Black, and was satisfied with the RP effort put in with the physical routine of performing good security.

I always assumed HunterRS had a head whitelist anyway, so, +1 for sure from me.

[Pemander]

Beyond the functional side of playing the role, Dawnguard and Alexis Beck are both great characters to RP with, and have been around for a while.

 

Just wanted to note, Alexis Beck is actually my character. HunterRS's character is Alexis Thompson.

[Pratepresidenten]

Seems to be a pretty good lad to have in science. Friendly, does his job well and actually bugs departments to see if they want upgraded tools n' shit. Not a lot of negative to mention, perhaps just that they tend to bunker down a bit hard with barricades and weapons without checking in with the active RD (Should there be one) when shit hits the fan.

In any case, not something that should drag down anything on the app, just a note.

Plus one positivity note for your application my man o/

[Bath Salts Addict]

Never really interacted with any of your characters save for Edgar, so I'll keep what I have to say limited to him.

Edgar Dawnguard, to me, is a very generic cookie cutter character. The only thing that sets him apart is the fact that he gets his job done, which is admirable, but knowing mechanics is not even half of what it takes for a Head whitelist. Interacting with Dawnguard doesn't reveal anything that makes him tick. Nothing makes him angry, makes him sad, he fears nothing, he doesn't find joy in anything, he's just emotionless and boring. One round, Phoebe Essel attempted to scare him with a life-like Xenomorph costume after you went AFK in a locker. Dawnguard's response? "Oh yeah, I've seen those before". No emotion, no surprise, no "where did you get that?", not even a mild shock. His corpse would have provided a more human reaction. Another round, revs did a gimmick where all non-head of staff contracts were to be terminated post-shift. Dawnguard's reaction? Nothing. He just said "oh, it's okay. I'm a head of staff on another facility". Obviously, that gimmick wasn't meant just for you, but that sort of reaction is completely and utterly boring and uninteresting, and to be quite honest disheartening for antagonists who are trying to create an interesting round without resorting to the typical "kill people, blow stuff up, take hostages, convert" routine.. That sort of attitude to gimmicks is nothing exclusive to Edgar, however, and I believe that's part of the reason why antags sometimes escalate things so quickly. Nothing I've seen can compel Dawnguard to extrude any emotion what-so-ever. It's one thing to have a character that is calm and collected, but there's a difference between that and being emotionally dead. If it weren't for the reputation you made for yourself OOCly, he would just be another nameless science guy that no one can remember.

Carrying over, I feel as if Dawnguard's inherent boringness (forgive me for making up a word) is a result of your unwillingness, OOCly, to face conflict. It's no secret, nearly every other round some salty person in OOC chat berates a head of staff player for not playing the way they like, or some other reason. Heads are also heavily scrutinized, both officially and unofficially, and so they need a thick skin. From your behavior in the past, you simply do not have a thick skin. If you were a head of staff, and someone got a little too upfront in the way they say they didn't like how you played that role, I am fairly certain you would get very confrontational, and I've seen you do it before. You continuously pursue the matter for an unnecessary period of time in OOC chat for everyone to see, and you hardly stop unless staff says so. Even now, after your hiatus, I've still seen you do it albeit to a lesser degree, and in AOOC chat. When people started complaining and pointing fingers during a round of merc+heist, you became very aggressive and seemed to take the criticism of the IC actions of you and your ERT buddies personally to an OOC level.

And speaking of antags. Before your hiatus, every single one of Dawnguard's traitor rounds consisted of him making bombs in toxins and then blowing up random parts of the station. Occasionally you would spice things up by warning the crew beforehand and/or attempting to hold a ransom, but they always ended up with some critical area being bombed and lots of rounds being ruined by some random fuck-you bomb. Any criticism and feedback was obviously ignored, as you would simply go about doing the same thing again the next time Dawnguard became antag. I quickly learned to identify a Dawnguard antag based solely on the fact that he immediately ran to toxins at round start rather than RnD, as is his routine. Making Dawnguard an RD would only make that particular "gimmick" (if you can even call it that) much more worse. No one wants to have their round ruined by a random bomb they were barely warned about, if at all.

Before I can support such an app, I would prefer to see Edgar improve as a character to be more than just the emotionless shell he is now. Until I see him improve, he'll just be another tally to the influx of boring and lifeless Research Director characters that we've been having lately. I would also like to see your OOC attitude improve. You don't have to take some salty idiot's rage on the chin, but I would like to see you handle more situations in a dignified manner. I would also like to know that, when it comes down to it, you can concoct interesting antag gimmicks that don't immediately crank things to 11 and ruin rounds for people within the first hour of a round.

Until then, it's a -1 from me.

[HunterRS]

BSA, the Reason Edgar just doesn't care really comes from the fact that IC he has been lied to, cheated on, and ignored by countless people on the station, he really doesn't care anymore, he has tried and failed, so he just works on his job and tries to make friends with coworkers. I have tried to make him more emotional about some stuff, but no one brings those things up so it just weighs on him, and he just tries to ignore it

Point two, Antag, I have purposely turned off all my antags because whenever I do, I can't come up with any ideas on the spot and it just turns into a mess, and I only bombed non critical areas, and even then most of the time it wasn't my fault, I put bombs in stuff and people carried them around, without knowing. And I really don't care about being antag, it's the point of RP is what matters, and me talking to other people about whats going on is RP

And about Head of Staff, I don't care if someone doesn't like how I run things, everyone runs things different, and I have been told by admins how some things I do is odd and I try to correct that, this is why I barely talk to in OOC and only talk when something neat is brought up. I really don't mind, and I have people state they don't like me, and I just try to see why.

Anyway, the past is the past and you should look at the present, it's been almost a year now, and you are still dwelling on the past, thats my one big things from that, half of those points are about the past, and I have purposely made sure they don't happen

[Bath Salts Addict]

BSA, the Reason Edgar just doesn't care really comes from the fact that IC he has been lied to, cheated on, and ignored by countless people on the station, he really doesn't care anymore, he has tried and failed, so he just works on his job and tries to make friends with coworkers. I have tried to make him more emotional about some stuff, but no one brings those things up so it just weighs on him, and he just tries to ignore it

Point two, Antag, I have purposely turned off all my antags because whenever I do, I can't come up with any ideas on the spot and it just turns into a mess, and I only bombed non critical areas, and even then most of the time it wasn't my fault, I put bombs in stuff and people carried them around, without knowing. And I really don't care about being antag, it's the point of RP is what matters, and me talking to other people about whats going on is RP

And about Head of Staff, I don't care if someone doesn't like how I run things, everyone runs things different, and I have been told by admins how some things I do is odd and I try to correct that, this is why I barely talk to in OOC and only talk when something neat is brought up. I really don't mind, and I have people state they don't like me, and I just try to see why.

Anyway, the past is the past and you should look at the present, it's been almost a year now, and you are still dwelling on the past, thats my one big things from that, half of those points are about the past, and I have purposely made sure they don't happen

If he just doesn't care about anything, then why would he be a good fit as a Head of Staff? Constructing a believable, interesting character isn't something that happens overnight, nor is everyone going to recognize what you've crafted. Simply giving up on making your character more fleshed out simply because he doesn't have the spotlight isn't a good sign.

Staff aren't the only people capable of giving feedback and criticism. While you should take what they say to heart, you shouldn't disregard what everyone else has to say just because their OOC name isn't a different color to everybody else's. I'll admit that's a lesson I had to learn the hard way, myself.

When I said what I said, I made sure to try and list things that I've seen after your hiatus, and I only reference things prior to it in passing. I do this because you haven't been back for a long enough time to truly prove that you have changed, like you claim. You've barely just came back to SS13 and you're already clamoring for a head whitelist. If I were you, I would wait two or three months and work towards becoming a common fixture on the server, rather than trying for a Head whitelist so soon after coming back. Right now, you're simply a big unknown when it comes to whether or not you can be trusted with the whitelist.

[HunterRS]

BSA, the Reason Edgar just doesn't care really comes from the fact that IC he has been lied to, cheated on, and ignored by countless people on the station, he really doesn't care anymore, he has tried and failed, so he just works on his job and tries to make friends with coworkers. I have tried to make him more emotional about some stuff, but no one brings those things up so it just weighs on him, and he just tries to ignore it

Point two, Antag, I have purposely turned off all my antags because whenever I do, I can't come up with any ideas on the spot and it just turns into a mess, and I only bombed non critical areas, and even then most of the time it wasn't my fault, I put bombs in stuff and people carried them around, without knowing. And I really don't care about being antag, it's the point of RP is what matters, and me talking to other people about whats going on is RP

And about Head of Staff, I don't care if someone doesn't like how I run things, everyone runs things different, and I have been told by admins how some things I do is odd and I try to correct that, this is why I barely talk to in OOC and only talk when something neat is brought up. I really don't mind, and I have people state they don't like me, and I just try to see why.

Anyway, the past is the past and you should look at the present, it's been almost a year now, and you are still dwelling on the past, thats my one big things from that, half of those points are about the past, and I have purposely made sure they don't happen

If he just doesn't care about anything, then why would he be a good fit as a Head of Staff? Constructing a believable, interesting character isn't something that happens overnight, nor is everyone going to recognize what you've crafted. Simply giving up on making your character more fleshed out simply because he doesn't have the spotlight isn't a good sign.

Staff aren't the only people capable of giving feedback and criticism. While you should take what they say to heart, you shouldn't disregard what everyone else has to say just because their OOC name isn't a different color to everybody else's. I'll admit that's a lesson I had to learn the hard way, myself.

When I said what I said, I made sure to try and list things that I've seen after your hiatus, and I only reference things prior to it in passing. I do this because you haven't been back for a long enough time to truly prove that you have changed, like you claim. You've barely just came back to SS13 and you're already clamoring for a head whitelist. If I were you, I would wait two or three months and work towards becoming a common fixture on the server, rather than trying for a Head whitelist so soon after coming back. Right now, you're simply a big unknown when it comes to whether or not you can be trusted with the whitelist.

 

I understand, Edgar himself cares a bunch of his team, and has gone out of the way to save his director and another scientist via telescience one round, he cares for them deeply and if anyone threatens them he gets defensive, but with most things he has been just tossed aside, so that's why he works and defends his team so much, and quite often he is promoted to interim, which means I hope good things about him

The reason I am not known that much to new people is the fact that i don't want to say anything, I'm very socially awkward and it affects my ic and ooc, cause I don't know what to say, or how they will react, it's something I work on and is hard for me to get right.

[Bath Salts Addict]

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I understand, Edgar himself cares a bunch of his team, and has gone out of the way to save his director and another scientist via telescience one round, he cares for them deeply and if anyone threatens them he gets defensive, but with most things he has been just tossed aside, so that's why he works and defends his team so much, and quite often he is promoted to interim, which means I hope good things about him

The reason I am not known that much to new people is the fact that i don't want to say anything, I'm very socially awkward and it affects my ic and ooc, cause I don't know what to say, or how they will react, it's something I work on and is hard for me to get right.

I had to take a while to analyze this post. You're backtracking so much here that it's hard to tell whether you agree with me, or what? First you say Edgar just doesn't care, but now you're saying he does? I am honestly really confused by what position you're trying to take here.

Now, I'm not trying to dictate how Edgar should be characterized or the direction you're taking his development in, but I feel as if things could have been examined more thoroughly. Let's take a look at Edgar:

So far, Edgar has going for him the following:

[*]A large, loving family. (Who are still alive, to my knowledge)

[*]An creative and innovative mind.

[*]A clear, if slightly vague, goal.

[*]A track record of good grades in school, mathematics and science classes especially.

[*]A good post-secondary education at a reputable institute that outright offered him a scholarship, rather than his family having to pay for his education.

[*]Multiple degrees in two completely different fields, including a PhD and a Master's degree.

[*]Is apparently a head of staff on other NT facilities, according to in-game statements made by Edgar himself.

In contrast, from what I can think of off the top of my head, Edgar has the following going against him:

[*]His relationship with his Russian mail-order girlfriend fell through.

[*]He doesn't talk as much to the people he used to.

[*]Some people just don't like him.

[*]Some people have taken advantage of him in the past.

You know, all things considered, when you weigh the positive against the negative, Edgar seems to live a pretty good life. He has a well-paying job, a good education, parents and siblings that love him, and an intelligent mind. A few sour interactions and a failed relationship seems pretty paltry in comparison. If I lived the type of life Edgar has, with his accomplishments, I would honestly take it in stride. Sure, it'd suck for a bit, but it certainly wouldn't be enough to turn me into the emotionless husk that you made it turn Edgar into. If anything, it would just arguably make him care even more. You know, hold onto the friends he does have?

Again, I'm not trying to dictate the direction of Edgar's character development, but I'm honestly trying to understand Edgar. It's not that he's complex, it's just... There's nothing to look at. He's pretty cookie-cutter, and you seem to be constantly jumping back and forth from "Edgar doesn't care" to "Edgar cares about everyone" and it really is confusing me.

[HunterRS]

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I understand, Edgar cares about his team and defends them, but when it comes to making new friends, he has a hard time doing so, and yes, his positive out weigh his negatives, but that doesn't let him still be quiet, I've been working on him and trying to talk to people, but i just don't know what to say... ic or ooc.

[ClearThoughts]

If I may throw in two cents here, a lot of me is concerned that Hunter is pouring too much of himself into Edgar. The personalities between the two are very similar, and having now witnessed..half a dozen odd applications of the Same character (Edgar) being put forward, I would put forth a -1 until you can come up with an entirely new character with no relation, knowledge, or interaction with any of your previous characters. It would prove that you have the ability to properly create and meter the backstory on an important character than can ultimately change a round with their administrative privileges and leadership abilities. For where it stands, -1.

[HunterRS]

If I may throw in two cents here, a lot of me is concerned that Hunter is pouring too much of himself into Edgar. The personalities between the two are very similar, and having now witnessed..half a dozen odd applications of the Same character (Edgar) being put forward, I would put forth a -1 until you can come up with an entirely new character with no relation, knowledge, or interaction with any of your previous characters. It would prove that you have the ability to properly create and meter the backstory on an important character than can ultimately change a round with their administrative privileges and leadership abilities. For where it stands, -1.

 

I understand your concern and your comment, just would like to explain why it's like that. Edgar was my first character, has been a character for two years, and is one of my most used, being someone who finds it hard to talk to people irl and being just awkward, it's hard to do the same In game, it's just my flaw, and I've been doing dnd to try to get better at that, so it's something that a lot of people point out.

Thank you for the comment, and I hope that changes

[HunterRS]

Would also like to point out, Katelyn Black, and Marcus Aquila are completely different characters

[Azande]

Two characters you hardly if ever play, to the point that I've never ever seen them on board.

I'm going to harken to the statement before this, make a brand new character and seriously main them for awhile. Get to know how to play someone else.

[HunterRS]

Two characters you hardly if ever play, to the point that I've never ever seen them on board.

I'm going to harken to the statement before this, make a brand new character and seriously main them for awhile. Get to know how to play someone else.

It's more along the lines of I have played this character for two years and haven't not had real fun with others, people either complain, make fun of me or make reports, so this is why I stay as edgar

[Faris]

Application denied. You've been requested to make an application without using Edgar Dawnguard as the basis of it. Feel free to try again with a different character.