ClearThoughts Posted September 4, 2017 Posted September 4, 2017 BYOND Key: ClearThoughts Game ID: bQi-cHDw https://gyazo.com/520ccbab2704afe11be724d98daf274e Player Byond Key: Biabri Staff involved: None at the time. Reason for complaint: This'll be a bit long. I started out the round as Joseph Ward, joining midway in as the job Journalist. Immediately I make an announcement "Goood morning Aurora, this is Ward, host of Ward's Law, and we'll be on shortly!" Some of the crew remembered Ward, so they responded generically with a greeting or a "Ward, don't use the common channel, please, if you're gonna talk. Use a channel feed or the entertainment channel." So I said "Alright. I'll go start a feed". Joe Ward is a xenophobic ATLAS spokesperson (self-proclaimed), and is very supportive of Sol's interactions with the Tau Ceti system. He started up a feed channel that did not sit well with the captain, played by UnknownMurder, character name Vincent LeChiffre, who called Ward in. At this time, Fiore ran to the library where Ward had been sitting, and stalked him closely to the bridge. I figure, "Eh. It's her job." By this point I'd made one post on the feed about the Warble Enquirer's article on the Jargon Federation uniting some republic on its outskirts back into the Fed, and how this was all the frogs' fault to begin with. I make the articles with enough vagueness to where anyone who wanted to spit back at Ward with facts could easily do so. The AI seemed a little hunty about it, but I ignored it for the most part. Fiore, however, created a public channel feed named "Joseph Ward for Injunction now!" and posted "Add your name to this list if you think Ward should get an injunction!" Possibly the least professional thing she could have done, without asking Ward to do Anything regarding his words, or contact him about what he posted on his feed. Nobody really took on to the "Injunction" feed. Ward arrives at the Captain's office (after a few crashes) and the Captain explains to him that he's to be "promoted" to Crisis Reporter, given security access and a headset, and ordered to report on ONLY station events, the crew, and NT-approved articles. But hey, a promotion's a promotion. Ward accepts, with glee, and goes out to do his new job. Fiore gets called in just after he leaves, and is ordered by the captain to hold her smugness or remarks about Ward to herself, and that they are not to be broadcasted over comms, public or otherwise. ( https://gyazo.com/30cc59e801f738aafc53ea466efe1884 From LeChiffre's player, UM, post round.). Ward went about his business from that point on, reporting on security, medical, general crew behavior, interviewing the HoS briefly, and collecting pictures. Ward eventually gets back to his library, and an assistant runs in, starts dismantling all his floors, and Ward reports him to security. The guy keeps doing it, laughing at Ward, so Ward hops up and disarms the crowbar from the guy's hand, taking it into his bag. The assistant assaults Ward with an electrical toolbox for this, and security arrives along with the captain. Fiore arrives shortly after this, laser rifle in hand as she was hunting spiders. She was told multiple times by the HoS to put the rifle away unless she was actively shooting, and she ignored the order. Whether she heard it or not, the order was stated multiple times. Following up with this, Ward was giving his statement in the brig, The Head of Security, played by SonicGotNuked, ordered the rifle back from Fiore, as the threat of spiders had passed and the carp were not an issue. Fiore seemed to refuse on the grounds of "I'm sniping carp", ignoring her superior once again. ( https://gyazo.com/200e899681f456a558e7b18b3ded638e ) ( https://gyazo.com/7a463fe19fd4185ce3d53a85758cf285 ) I spoke with Biabri after the round, and they stated the rifle was already turned in at this point. An Unathi officer then showers Ward and the assaulting assistant Green as the shuttle is called, the captain giving the officer orders to take Green onto the shuttle, as Green continued lying, despite the captain having witnessed the crime. Ward made a remark, laughing at how crazy Green must be to continue the front, trying to get Ward arrested for assault. Fiore chimed in with "Shower him harder" as they were cleaned of blood ( https://gyazo.com/8783a506cdcf2eb75657af1703374b0a ) And ( https://gyazo.com/acf22a730da1fbbcd714cfe0c409c54b ), and at this point, the captain (By UM's word,) ordered her to be arrested, sending the HoS to file a warrant for her arrest. I get to departures just in time for the shuttle, and see the HoS verbally stating that Fiores is under arrest. Fiores looks around to the crew and says "Who here objects to this arrest?" To which the captain properly replies "This isn't a democracy" ( https://gyazo.com/3129adff7e92b1d7849239bc8cb789af ) and he's right. The captain is the ultimate authority on the station. It's your boss' boss. After being warned multiple times to give in to the arrest, the HoS applies cuffs to her, she resists, and a fight ensues where she beats the HoS to the floor with her baton, is taken down by the surrounding security and the captain, in a crowded departures lounge. ( https://gyazo.com/c057d2b82a899fa6cbc01ce6feb72e44 ) ( https://gyazo.com/924adc651d1987a99bfe7d40e2b06d18 ) ( https://gyazo.com/b9e59ba5f115662e859fbb96d0e85981 ) After which she is cuffed and loaded into the shuttle, calling the HoS a "wuss" and attempting to break out of her cuffs while in the shuttle brig with three security personnel. ( https://gyazo.com/f2493594ba1ce6ceec1d1d6ccce167fa ) ( https://gyazo.com/5fc078ff8f240c3c3db3fdbf458042b9 ). It all seemed fishy at the time, like I was missing something. Some perspective to it, so I contacted the three people involved: SonicGotNuked (HoS Aele) , Biabri (Fiore), and UnknownMurder (Captain LeChiffre). Here are their conversations with me. Sonic: https://gyazo.com/1fd08b4482f3a3e8189f54e2402bb1d9 Biabri: https://gyazo.com/44824c85fcc9e0ac368e3e1b1c36bff0 https://gyazo.com/2de202c0df6e73dcd6ecae53d1299753 https://gyazo.com/9b04367b7dac935e00af40a365f03cfd https://gyazo.com/39150070ffa4658f3310403f2fdf0539 https://gyazo.com/a318658ada5f058bce54a8b0fbaf69d8 https://gyazo.com/ab57febc101b7562fd8edd9bf5d9525e UnknownMurder: https://gyazo.com/30cc59e801f738aafc53ea466efe1884 This doesn't seem very professional, and while this would have simply been a long-ass IR, this is continuous player behavior and slightly meta (With the whole "I think Ward is a dick, so Fiore thinks he's a dick. We've never met before this shift, but I'm going to treat him like i've known him for weeks"). I feel this complaint is true and justified, and if I've missed anything, please don't hesitate to let me know or correct me on something. This is a mixture of my perspective and the three other people involved. Did you attempt to adminhelp the issue at the time? If so, what was the known action taken by administration/moderation? It didn't seem like it needed to be ahelped until the end there, and I wanted to get the perspectives of everyone involved before proceeding with anything. Approximate Date/Time: 04SEPT2017 , 1400CST?
ClearThoughts Posted September 4, 2017 Author Posted September 4, 2017 Adding these three. https://gyazo.com/3c89082c7adfa6cb9d2a09a0b3f6beef https://gyazo.com/df55e8ccf300ea450e62a51e6dc10550 https://gyazo.com/a2ba8a99c1b28837af0756c0c2b462d0 To Biabri: I apologize if I seem "holier than thou", but this is my attempt to be diplomatic. I don't feel there's a need for ad hominem, so I apologize if I've been rude to you.
UnknownMurder Posted September 4, 2017 Posted September 4, 2017 This'll be pleasurable for the community to watch this complaint, undeniably. I'd like to enlighten the reported player that everything you voice will and can be held against you in this case. Fill out an incident report against me, I double dog dare you. I have read (terms and conditions) the complaint. I am Vincent LeChiffre, the Captain for the round. Everything I have to say about what I've perceived as already been involved in this player complaint with these durable evidence. I do not need to say anything else. I would like to accentuate that Biabri's approach to ClearThought's calm ambassadorial and has been insolent and brushed him off in a unsystematic manner. There are zero excuses for behaving this way for the entireness of the round, this is excruciating. This is close to the line of what we would call, a shitcurity. This conduct toward to Joseph Ward should not duplicate itself as it correspondingly did in aforementioned player complaint.
Biabri Posted September 4, 2017 Posted September 4, 2017 Lies and misinformation, shocker, right? I've learnt though, since you don't actually have a single thing on me, I just need to not talk about this in discord and this'll all come to nothing. The chat we had wore at my nerves gradually and I found myself less and less inclined to keep up with the polite facade, as you likely did. Your attitude is absolutely appalling, and the way you speak and the airs you put on makes it clear you have some ulterior motive and actually probably care very little about the report itself. Especially considering that none of this was about you. Not at all. You're absolutely toxic, and this reply is the very last courtesy I will extend towards you. You've done this before in rounds that Sabbia has been in and it was just as lame a gimmick as then. Security have hated you just as much each time. Every round you do this people complain. Injunctions are a viable method of dealing with those who abuse the comms they have or mis-use the newscasters. They are there to stop slanderous comments and inflammatory articles. Such as yours. The captain promoting you was a weird move, and I was actually going to include that in my IR against HIM, which I didn't make because I value my time and don't consider myself spiteful enough to do so. He decided that because you'd been generally annoying and really should have gotten some kind of punishment, he'd instead give you sec comms and sec access and let you get away. He then called in me and told me something along the lines of "Bla bla bla, Ward's my pet now, don't talk about him." Later on in the round, he himself, the captain, put out a warrant for "failing to follow orders" for this one exchange... [security] Joseph Ward says, "Dude this Green guy is more racist than I am. It's hilarious." [security] Joseph Ward says, "I mean, okay, it's not hilarious but it's funny because he's nuts." [security] Sabbia Fiore says, "This is how we all see you, Ward." Actually reading the gyazo for this, I'm laughing my ass off. There's no proof, this is a discord chat, not a snap of evidence. "I don't want to make a player complaint." Oh please, CT. You were chomping at the bit to do this, pretending otherwise is just silly, and everyone knows so. Code blue with weapons out, shocker. And no, Mr Captain, you didn't see me running about with my laser out even if it had been something that wasn't acceptable. I put it on my back after the HoS said, which is the exact opposite of what the warrant you as a captain made. You're lying again CT, do you do it by accident or... What? I didn't ignore the order, I questioned it and said that I would have to carry my bag, before swapping the rifle for the bag. When ordered to return the rifle? https://gyazo.com/16a5ae872294373037c02e9aabd5ec4a Yes, there were still carp. Yes, I was shooting them. I returned the rifle, I didn't say anything upon dropping it off, just did so in front of the HoS, who took it into the armoury. Your discord chats show nothing. They show you as disingenuous and they show that you clearly aren't someone that can be remotely trusted. The only one with an OOC grudge here is you, Honey. Fiore thinks Ward is a dick. I'm sure a lot of people think Ward is a dick. Fiore isn't ATLAS. She has no idea why you're insulting crew and abusing comms. She's security, it's her job to stop hooliganism and conflict stirred up by idiots. It's not her job to deal with regulation breaking captains and that HoS. When the HoS attempted to arrest her with a warrant that should never have been created, she decided that him placing handcuffs on her was battery on his part. She was going to arrest him for this crime and then her next steps would be working out what to do with the captain. The captain did not see me running around with the e-rifle. The captain slapped me with a not following orders for responding to Ward, ignoring his own response. Heck, ignore everything I've written if you want to, but actually look into this. Reading the captain's input to this, I can't help but laugh yet harder. Shitcurity? Please. Self awareness? This was not an ambassadorial approach. This approach was to make himself seem calm and collected when he eventually posted the chat, which he did not inform me would be posted at all! I knew, I just didn't particularly care for acting fake and friendly to the person who has now filed two player complaints against me, barely able to hold his malice in. I'm not fake and I try to be as honest as possible. I shouldn't expect the same from others. Goodnight.
DatBerry Posted September 4, 2017 Posted September 4, 2017 Ok before this goes any deeper i would like to point out two things: Code blue allows you to keep weapons visible not unholstered. As in on your armor or back, not in hand ready to fire unless there is a direct and present threat to shoot at. The captain telling you to cease verbal abuse against someone is very well within their rights, they are your boss's boss and the ultimate authority on station. You need to make a distinction between IC and OOC lines, it is fine to ICly think you were in the right, provided you deal with the consquences, OOCly if you think you were in the right to beat the HoS up and attempt to arrest the captain over him filing a valid charge then there's a real issue here.
whiterabit Posted September 4, 2017 Posted September 4, 2017 An Incident Report was also filed on this situation, and the link to it will be provided below. We don't typically like to double down on both IC and OOC action against a player/character, so one will most likely end up dropped. I'll speak with the administration and see which they'd like to have pursued. Although given the history, the player complaint may be the most appropriate. IR here: https://forums.aurorastation.org/viewtopic.php?f=81&p=83539
UnknownMurder Posted September 4, 2017 Posted September 4, 2017 Lies and misinformation, shocker, right? Coming from you, right!? That's right, I'm accusing you of lying in your response. Â since you don't actually have a single thing on me, What about those screenshots we have of you? Not a single thing. What are you hoping to see what you've done wrong? You're already guilty enough, you can just plea the fifth. Â He decided that because you'd been generally annoying and really should have gotten some kind of punishment, he'd instead give you sec comms and sec access and let you get away. Untrue. Character wasn't really annoying, however character was scolded about his actions on newscaster. We had a conversation about that. Head of Personnel was present in the conversation. Admins can review the conversation we had. (Admins, just search "2017" in your log detector, you'll find the appropriate conversation.) Â Later on in the round, he himself, the captain, put out a warrant for "failing to follow orders" for this one exchange... Let's not also forget that you also received a punishment by given a hard talking to. You were told to cease and desist with acting smugness over crisis reporter. You were given a yes or a no question that you understand to cease and desist, you said as I quote, "Sure". This implies strongly that you do not care about the conversation we just had. I kicked you out of the room and hoped to have never deal with you again. Â The captain did not see me running around with the e-rifle. The captain slapped me with a not following orders for responding to Ward, ignoring his own response. Â I saw you carry around the laser gun in your hand, you brought it to the Library and ran around the public hallway in which I slapped you with one "Failure to execute an order" on both basis. Don't lie to me. I know you were there clearly while we were dealing with an assistant crowbaring up the wooden floors and attacking crisis reporter. I've witnessed you putting the wooden floors back to the library floor. Â Actually reading the gyazo for this, I'm laughing my ass off. There's no proof, this is a discord chat, not a snap of evidence. "I don't want to make a player complaint." Oh please, CT. You were chomping at the bit to do this, pretending otherwise is just silly, and everyone knows so. It's actually evidence, it shows how your reactive behavior is toward to this issue. Testimony counts as an evidence. Again, anything you say can be and will be held against you. Â Your discord chats show nothing. They show you as disingenuous and they show that you clearly aren't someone that can be remotely trusted. My testimony to ClearThoughts. Sonic's testimony to ClearThoughts. They are evidence. Â This was not an ambassadorial approach. This approach was to make himself seem calm and collected when he eventually posted the chat, which he did not inform me would be posted at all! I knew, I just didn't particularly care for acting fake and friendly to the person who has now filed two player complaints against me, barely able to hold his malice in. What are you implying? He was pretending to be extremely malicious? He has two player complaints against you now because you did something to him that you could have just let it go. But no... No... You just had to create more troubles and we're here because of your troubles. The reporting party will see it to that player complaint be done with accordingly. Â I'm not fake and I try to be as honest as possible. I shouldn't expect the same from others. This is funny to all of us, I intentionally saved the best for the last. Why? This shows us what you are thinking right now, "Hey! He's probably lying... Hm. I better fight fire with fire. That's right, I'll just lie in my response and see what happens. OH YEAH! That's a wonderful plan! I can't see anything wrong with it! I better tell him that all of ClearThought's gyazos are fake and none of them are from in-game. None of them." And you tell me that without screenshot or anything to back your claims that we're lying while ClearThoughts have already provided screenshots to support my claim to prove that you are the only whom are lying in your rebuttal. We have screenshots, you don't. [mention]DatBerry[/mention], security officer as in running around with laser gun in hand. Not on the armor or on the hand. In hand. Like this detailed example picture but with a laser gun in hand. I have no comments for your second point as it stands well against the reported player. There is a real issue here. I applaud you for participating in this complaint.
sonicgotnuked Posted September 5, 2017 Posted September 5, 2017 HI! I was the Head of Security that round, let us delve into the depths of this player complaint. And yes, I would like the IR I made dropped in favor of the complaint after reading on this OOC complaint. Â Especially considering that none of this was about you. Not at all. You're absolutely toxic, and this reply is the very last courtesy I will extend towards you. Really nice thing to read, shows your passive aggressive behavior towards criticism that we all see when you got your medical ban that is outlined inside this complaint! https://forums.aurorastation.org/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=8868&start=10 Â Lies and misinformation, shocker, right? It is sadly not the case, surprising you will say this when there is plenty of evidence and record of your behavior. Â He then called in me and told me something along the lines of "Bla bla bla, Ward's my pet now, don't talk about him." Later on in the round, he himself, the captain, put out a warrant for "failing to follow orders" for this one exchange... No no, that wasn't want the warrant was about. The warrant was about your argumentative nature that the captain told me to arrest you for and stating that you where told to stop. Keep in mind: This is a reminder that the station's assigned Captain has full authority over the operation of the station. He or she is authorized to shut down departments at their discretion, reassign crew members, issue direct orders to all crew members on the station, and take actions within reason that may violate regulations in non-standard situations. The Captain is loyalty implanted, and is therefore trusted to act in the best interests of the company, crew, and station he or she is assigned to. Any complaints or concerns over the Captain's decisions should be addressed after their orders have been carried out, and after the situation that prompted those orders has been resolved. Â Fiore thinks Ward is a dick. I'm sure a lot of people think Ward is a dick. Fiore isn't ATLAS. She has no idea why you're insulting crew and abusing comms. She's security, it's her job to stop hooliganism and conflict stirred up by idiots. It's not her job to deal with regulation breaking captains and that HoS. Â I was just going to say, I find this really hilarious when the warrant came up and you told me that if I tried to cuff you, you would arrest me for battery. Your boss mind you, why would NT hire a character who threatens to arrest their boss for doing their job? I tried to cuff you and I told you to stand down, you pulled out your stun stick and people rushed in. You then proceeded to take the problem into LOOC. I am questioning your ability to keep LOOC and OOC out of each other. Â The captain did not see me running around with the e-rifle. The captain slapped me with a not following orders for responding to Ward, ignoring his own response. Â He did, he really did and he was the one who told me. The player in questioning does not seem to be able to handle criticism for their actions well. Yes, I was going to keep this IC but then I learned this is repetitive.
Scheveningen Posted September 5, 2017 Posted September 5, 2017 I will take the reigns again, considering I know what I'm getting into what with the last one. Â Lies and misinformation, shocker, right? Â If you choose to go this route again without remotely considering what the other side has to say and engaging in non-hostile discourse again, I will not hesitate to clap you with a permanent server ban for this, because we are tired of having to waste our time trying to talk to a brick wall. That is not a threat, that is a guarantee for what will happen. You are required to look introspectively at your own actions on server and in-character and question yourself if those decisions were the right ones and if you could've done better, if you want to continue playing on this server. I am not telling you that they are 100% right (yet nothing the OP has said was incorrect, as I am checking over the logs to confirm this), but if you're going to approach this situation where you call out everyone against you as "lying" and refusing to add anything useful in your own player complaint, I'll save everyone plus the admin team the trouble and just remove you and get everything after that squared away. I wouldn't feel bad about it because if there is one thing you struggle with, it is hearing any other voice over your own and taking it to heart. I'll wait another day or so (three at most) to let discussion continue. If, in that timeframe, Biabri screws up on-server again and does something that is worthy of another department job-ban, then staff will be informed ahead of time to skip the pleasantries, as we're not going to waste our time job-banning you from every job as this keeps up.
Biabri Posted September 5, 2017 Posted September 5, 2017 Schev, if you are threatening to go and do as you wish, then go ahead, because I don't have the time to waste talking to a brick wall either. Are you actually assigned to these or do you just grab them up before anyone else can? Why DO you defend Clearthoughts so vehemently without considering the only one here that shouldn't need to prove themselves to you? I haven't lied in any of these player complaints. I don't need to lie. There literally is no evidence. There are your incorrect accounts and the captain's testimony, which is funny considering there's no way he saw me running around with an e-rifle out, namely because he wasn't there and mostly because it didn't happen at all post-library, in which I literally walked from spying out carp to downstairs, responding to a call to come to the library. All in all, you're being untruthful, as untruthful and false as the rest of this is. If you refuse to see that, Schev, then I honestly don't see the point in dealing with you at all. If you take this to be hard evidence then go ahead. I'm under zero obligations to waste my time doing your job, am I? I'm not dealing with this every few days. I don't have to. I will move on and be happier for it. Bear in mind, the captain is allowed to 'break' regulations in emergencies and/or as long as he has a valid reason. That doesn't mean he can do whatever he wants without consequence, he'd get the same punishment as a warden for setting false warrants, by the very words I'm reading here. For you to include the clause on the statement is interesting, I thought you'd cover it up, leaves less work for me. There are no logs that show me putting down weapons or putting them in my back slot, as far as I'm aware, if there were, this would be far easier on me. There is not 'plenty of evidence and record of my behaviour' and you should know that I wasn't banned because of that complaint, I was banned because I told everyone in discord that Schev was calling me out on things I hadn't even done. Mostly because there was nothing else to get me on. Instead of dealing with the complaint full of lies and the player that broke every single rule that he pointed out and claimed I had, he instead found more reasons to pursue the complaint and in the end I was banned for one statement OOCly and the defence of myself on the thread itself. He called me a dick but I wasn't the one filing false complaints and doing so with a smile. My points are valid and they stick, disregard them as you will but at this point I no longer care. I've said my piece and I've made it clear that I do not want Schev to be dealing with this complaint, as they failed to do so impartially and fairly the last time, furthermore, I want some real evidence before you consider this complaint, and the second that someone starts drawing false conclusions and questioning me on lies, again, I want this dropped or I'll know that you really do not want me here. If you cannot investigate a situation properly, then why have you chosen to do so, unless your intent is to muddy the facts and bury the truth...? I'll raise once more the fact that Schev was told by 'someone' and acted upon the advice: "Do not trust anything Biabri says." If you need any more proof that Schev is not unbiased... Yes, I enjoyed formatting this, any more questions?
Scheveningen Posted September 5, 2017 Posted September 5, 2017 There is not 'plenty of evidence and record of my behaviour' and you should know that I wasn't banned because of that complaint, I was banned because I told everyone in discord that Schev was calling me out on things I hadn't even done. Mostly because there was nothing else to get me on. Instead of dealing with the complaint full of lies and the player that broke every single rule that he pointed out and claimed I had, he instead found more reasons to pursue the complaint and in the end I was banned for one statement OOCly and the defence of myself on the thread itself. He called me a dick but I wasn't the one filing false complaints and doing so with a smile. Â On top of the attitude you gave me when I informed you of the resolution, the extremely crap tone you took with me, in particular, were also what led to the 3-day server ban for you to cool off. Which is ultimately disappointing and goes to show you haven't learned anything. Or rather, you don't care to, and in turn you don't care to change how you do things on-server. So all of the effort we've put into trying to make you understand these issues we've brought up and help you come out a better player for it, in addition to me lifting your permaban in the first place, seems to have been a wasted effort. Right?
Biabri Posted September 5, 2017 Posted September 5, 2017 You've treated me like shit. You've ignored me completely. You've refused to see my side of things. You have invested absolutely no effort in me at all! I made a whole new character because you didn't like the last one. I did not take a crap tone with you. You started asking me about stuff I hadn't done at all! You brought up me hacking the airlock (something which didn't happen, to clarify) and then said out of context 'doctors shouldn't be hacking airlocks' and then later you said you were referring to the rules and said "You obviously haven't read them." Of course I was annoyed. What do you expect? Someone posted a report full of lies and then you came and started asking me about things that weren't even in the report! One more time, who told you to not listen to what I said? Why did they say it? And why did you listen? I do not believe that you're the right person to handle this complaint, I've made my position known.
UnknownMurder Posted September 5, 2017 Posted September 5, 2017 First of all, if you believe that our story is incorrect, care to provide a story of your own of what really happened? Second, I have no objections to handing this issue to an administrator if this is alright with @[mention]Scheveningen[/mention], with an administrator, I believe we can get closer to the truth. Usually in the past, administrators handles reports involving both parties accusing each other of lying. Again, up to Scheveningen.
Biabri Posted September 5, 2017 Posted September 5, 2017 The story is incorrect, mainly because your orders were followed. This isn't up for discussion, that's the truth, that part of the story is set in stone, but that's not really the issue. Disregarding the fact that Clearthougts filled this complaint with a load of fluff, he is accusing me of metagrudging really. Prove that.
Scheveningen Posted September 5, 2017 Posted September 5, 2017 Yet in the same respect it's difficult to accuse someone who is providing logs and screenshotted proof of their own behavior, that they are lying, when the person calling the OP out themselves has absolutely zero intention of providing proof on their own to show the other side is lying. To lie is to deliberately be deceptive by way of fabricating evidence of some sort for any kind of agenda at all, typically a selfish and malicious one. I cannot exactly get it into my head how, from a rational perspective, that the only party that has provided proof so far is the one that opened this complaint. As part of the burden of proof, the person accusing others of lying must put forward a solid case backed with their own evidence as to whether their argumentative adversary is lying. [ cannot accuse someone of lying and just expect people to believe you.[/url] That's not how this works. Especially considering that none of this was about you. Not at all. You're absolutely toxic, and this reply is the very last courtesy I will extend towards you.  Actually reading the gyazo for this, I'm laughing my ass off. There's no proof, this is a discord chat, not a snap of evidence. "I don't want to make a player complaint." Oh please, CT. You were chomping at the bit to do this, pretending otherwise is just silly, and everyone knows so.  Your discord chats show nothing. They show you as disingenuous and they show that you clearly aren't someone that can be remotely trusted. The only one with an OOC grudge here is you, Honey.  Heck, ignore everything I've written if you want to, but actually look into this.  Reading the captain's input to this, I can't help but laugh yet harder. Shitcurity? Please. Self awareness?  This was not an ambassadorial approach. This approach was to make himself seem calm and collected when he eventually posted the chat, which he did not inform me would be posted at all! I knew, I just didn't particularly care for acting fake and friendly to the person who has now filed two player complaints against me, barely able to hold his malice in. I'm not fake and I try to be as honest as possible. I shouldn't expect the same from others.  If any of these particular quotes as part of their initial rebuttal are of any indication, it is clear they have absolutely zero respect for critique that involves them, or the community members themselves who are attempting to call this behavior into question in order to resolve it. Biabri has shown they have zero intention of responding to such attempts at a conversation in a polite and acceptable fashion, resorting instead to ad hominem attacks and accusations of lying flung wantonly. In combination with assaulting their own head of staff as a non-antagonist officer with more to lose, such as their own job, I have made up my mind at this point. Biabri already had this same discussion that initially led to their medical department ban for turning medbay into a chopshop, effectively doing what you're not supposed to do in your job like the SS13 wiki pages traditionally make fun of. These nuances we have on-server are what occur to most players here as "common sense", and you'd have to be pretty dang thick whether it's natural or you're being thick on purpose just to be difficult. I do not know which it is at this point, I don't care to dwell on it anymore. You're not actually supposed to fulfill the negative stereotypes the wikis make fun of, because doing that makes you extremely bad and unqualified for that job, and since this is an RP server, such deliberately stupid actions being carried out for deliberately stupid reasons shatters the whole of immersion that most people here happen to enjoy. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. It's also important to not be stupidly antagonistic and shit-talk in an open field where people can see it: . Whether deliberate or not, Biabri has not shown an attempt at improvement to their own behavior despite multiple staff outreach attempts and is seemingly repeating the same behavior despite being told they are to correct their path or future consequences will result from refusing to improve. That much is not justifiable. I will be resolving to apply an indefinite server ban, which may be appealed in one month's time at minimum. Any final comments can be made within a 24hr period where I'll lock this up and process it.
Biabri Posted September 5, 2017 Posted September 5, 2017 There's no proof of any of this and once again you are reinforcing the lies of others Scheveningen. If this is the community I can expect then I don't want to be a part of it, I could care less. You've handled yet another complaint despite my wishes against, despite me providing actual evidence that you are not able to look at a situation and remain unbiased. I've reviewed other complaints against you and can do nothing but nod my head in sympathy and understanding. I think you're sucking up to Clearthoughts, really hard and it's quite obvious. Disgustingly so. You take his word for gospel and excuse his wrongdoings in the same breath as you shout accusations of a similar nature at me. The response from senior staff wasn't particularly helpful, I seriously doubt that anyone but you had any part in this decision. You'll be waiting for longer than a month before I grace you with my presence again, if I think you deserve it even then. You're a hypocrite. You're a liar. You're lazy. I can't help but smile even now, reading over your words and wondering why I ever thought you'd be someone that maybe I'd enjoy talking with. Of course not. There is proof that Clearthoughts has lied in the first player report he made. I pointed it out to you and you completely ignored it. Once again, you've banned me for reasons unrelated to the complaint, the ban reason is misleading. You're just throwing a hissy fit and using the non-existent power you have to deny me access to something I don't particularly want to be a part of anymore. You're nothing but petty and pettifog and you fail at even that. Enjoy yourself, Schev. I hope you get good scores in whatever elementary school you're attending, though I doubt you will. Steer clear of places and topics in which you don't have authority. Fuck you, Clearthoughts. Fuck you. You're a little bitch and honestly, any respect you demanded has been lost threefold in my eyes. I imagine you'll be making a moderator application soon. I know this was a warm-up of kinds for you. There was no reason for you to pursue me so zealously and Schev's attitude would suggest that you've told him this. I imagine that Scheveningen will be one of the main people vouching for you. I imagine he'll bring up your 'ambassadorial approach' and your detailed 'evidence' when doing so. I could care less, to be honest. Â Goodbye, kidderinos, and don't gulp so loudly, it's distracting.
sonicgotnuked Posted September 5, 2017 Posted September 5, 2017 I am sorry, I got the massive urge to post this video right here after I saw what Biabri posted. Joking aside, cussing people out is extremely inmuture thing to handle situations. If you did this when you screwed up on a job, you would be fired in a heartbeat.
Scheveningen Posted September 5, 2017 Posted September 5, 2017 Enjoy yourself, Schev. I hope you get good scores in whatever elementary school you're attending, though I doubt you will. Steer clear of places and topics in which you don't have authority. Fuck you, Clearthoughts. Fuck you. You're a little bitch and honestly, any respect you demanded has been lost threefold in my eyes. I imagine you'll be making a moderator application soon. I know this was a warm-up of kinds for you. There was no reason for you to pursue me so zealously and Schev's attitude would suggest that you've told him this. Â Jesus Christ. You have serious issues. Forget what I mentioned. Leaving this open any longer would be a mistake. Locked and marked as resolved.
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