GreenBoi Posted February 13, 2019 Posted February 13, 2019 Right now, TCFL really sucks because it literally only has Civilian access mixed with Maintenance access. This is laughably bad considering the fact that they're a government authority and are meant to help out the station, but have no access anywhere. Fucking janitors are given more access than TCFL, and I find this horrendeous. I think that they should have at least as much access as janitors but not full access to the station like ERT to keep them different. Also, Basic Command access might be nice if it's possible to do without letting them into the SAT or the proper Bridge (with the computers and monitors)
Guest Marlon Phoenix Posted February 13, 2019 Posted February 13, 2019 They are a government militia on contract to help the station. One of their primary debuffs in comparison to the ERT is their lack of access - they need to cooperate with the crew to gain access to different departments. That department needs to allow them inside, they cannot just waltz inside. They are government militiamen, not NanoTrasen workers, and as such NanoTrasen does not offer them access into their specific departments.
Chada1 Posted February 14, 2019 Posted February 14, 2019 Giving them janitor access would be p. funny and I'd support it, but general department access is about as far as it should go IMO.
ben10083 Posted February 14, 2019 Posted February 14, 2019 I +1 this, while I understand the lack of access being a drawback, they should at least be able to enter each department.
The lancer Posted February 14, 2019 Posted February 14, 2019 give the leader a "station pass" kind of ID as a separate piece of equipment. Put some basic station access there
Carver Posted February 14, 2019 Posted February 14, 2019 The only annoying thing I've found is lack of medical access in those odd times they're called in for medical emergencies. Everything else being unavailable makes sense for the downside/lore.
DronzTheWolf Posted February 15, 2019 Posted February 15, 2019 On 14/02/2019 at 09:51, The lancer said: give the leader a "station pass" kind of ID as a separate piece of equipment. Put some basic station access there This is called asking the Captain for a guest pass with whatever access you need. As a TCFL member, you'll probably have your job done in less than half an hour, the max time for a guest pass.
Evandorf Posted February 16, 2019 Posted February 16, 2019 How about a tool like the jaws of life or a power spreader? As an emergency response team it's reasonable that they would have to get into places they may not have access to in a timely manner. A powered or ratcheting spreader to force unbolted doors open but not render them unusable after. It could then be removed and used on another door. It would be slower than simply giving then access to an area but still allow them to do what they're supposed to do ICly.
DronzTheWolf Posted February 17, 2019 Posted February 17, 2019 On 16/02/2019 at 10:18, Evandorf said: How about a tool like the jaws of life or a power spreader? As an emergency response team it's reasonable that they would have to get into places they may not have access to in a timely manner. A powered or ratcheting spreader to force unbolted doors open but not render them unusable after. It could then be removed and used on another door. It would be slower than simply giving then access to an area but still allow them to do what they're supposed to do ICly. I remember there was something like this for Security in Apollo code a while ago, and I support it. There used to be three in the vault, so you can have three doors forced open at a time, and then you'd have to take them off and move them, not so many that they can get through a whole department but enough that they can get around and maneuver well enough for a plan to work.
GreenBoi Posted February 17, 2019 Author Posted February 17, 2019 On 13/02/2019 at 14:15, Senpai Jackboot said: They are a government militia on contract to help the station. One of their primary debuffs in comparison to the ERT is their lack of access - they need to cooperate with the crew to gain access to different departments. That department needs to allow them inside, they cannot just waltz inside. They are government militiamen, not NanoTrasen workers, and as such NanoTrasen does not offer them access into their specific departments. See, on paper that works, but in execution, it's pretty awful. If the FL doesn't have an AI to help them, they have to yelp on COMMON for someone to come and help them which will either be Engineering or a Captain. If there's no Captain, the FL will have to drill through each door they don't have access to which is unnecessary destruction of corporate property that'll have to be replaced. While it seems cool and different TCFL have to ask for all that help, it would literally save NT valuable time if they just gave TCFL basic department access. It's also incredibly dumb that NT would refuse to give the Legion more than maintenance access just because they're not employees when the TCFL has to stop whatever threat onstation Security had too much trouble with. Would NT really, at that point still think it's a good idea to keep the Legion so hindered from getting to and dealing with the threat with that? If this happened irl, it'd literally be if Police officers were locked out of everywhere that isn't public access while the Janitor gets to go to the area the threat just left to clean the rubble. It's more detrimental than anything. TCFL doesn't need all access, but they definetly don't need so little to the point where the threat can be staring at them in the other room, across an unbolted glass airlock with no AI to open the door for them.
Guest Marlon Phoenix Posted February 18, 2019 Posted February 18, 2019 The TCL are a militia. They are the minutemen of Tau Ceti. They do not travel around the system with department access to the station; it suits their purpose. They respond to the call for help because they are nearby, but not because they have a special relationship with NT as the ERT does. However, to accomodate for deadhour, lack of command, etc, having a tool to pry open doors would be a good way to ensure their relationship with the station while at the same time giving them a method of travel that is slower than an access-ID card.
Evandorf Posted February 19, 2019 Posted February 19, 2019 On 17/02/2019 at 18:55, Senpai Jackboot said: However, to accomodate for deadhour, lack of command, etc, having a tool to pry open doors would be a good way to ensure their relationship with the station while at the same time giving them a method of travel that is slower than an access-ID card. For simplicity's sake, at least until someone wants to make a specialized tool for the TCFL, we could always just give their engineers a couple of door hacking tools from the uplink. They take time to hack, approximately what I imagine a power spreader would take, and store a handful of hacked doors in memory. Five, if I remember right.
GreenBoi Posted February 24, 2019 Author Posted February 24, 2019 On 19/02/2019 at 00:37, Evandorf said: For simplicity's sake, at least until someone wants to make a specialized tool for the TCFL, we could always just give their engineers a couple of door hacking tools from the uplink. They take time to hack, approximately what I imagine a power spreader would take, and store a handful of hacked doors in memory. Five, if I remember right. Actually, it's eight.
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