Making Zhen-hu IPCs space worthy

[Fire and Glory]

Hello folks.

For the sake of democracy I am asking you, the people, which of these two choices you would prefer:

A:Zeng-hu IPCs can wear suit-coolers on their back to avoid overheating in space like industrial frames.

B:Zheng-hu IPCs can wear voidsuits and hardsuits which have inventory slots for wearing suit coolers.

Right now they can do neither, which is silly for a speedy medical frame seemingly made for rescue operations.

I can probably implement either options. Right now I am leaning towards A so you can show off your sexy robot body and don't have to think so much about fitting their weird legs in space suits. However I remember some mumblings about only industrials being able to do A because they are thicc and I am interested in not being yelled at, so you decide.

I am stating for the record that B is the power gamers choice so you can carry all the medical garbage you want in a satchel.

Regardless of your choice I will also endeavor to let xion frames wear space suits fucking finally.

Edited October 31, 2019 by Fire and Glory

[Kaed]

We don't need to make every single model of IPC spaceworthy.

The fact that they're for speedy operations has largely very little to do with their ability to go into a vacuum. It's only the specific setting that we have placed is server in that means about 70% of the terrain on the map is asteroid space.

Dionea can go out into space with absolutely no penalties or equipment needed, I don't see why we can't have a race that is the opposite, and can't go outside at all safely. They simply aren't designed for it. 

Encourage teamwork and diversity, instead of making everyone able to do everything.

[Brutishcrab51]

The fact that they're machines should have a lot to do with whether or not they should be able to enter space using a suit cooler. Are they a machine? If so, yes, they should. They don't need an atmosphere for shit. They're a machine.

[Fire and Glory]

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We don't need to make every single model of IPC spaceworthy.

I think we can safely leave the bishop frame as the one that can't do space. The station is rarely 100% full with 2 EMTs and I doubt I can change that, so I disagree in regards to prohibiting Zenhus. But we'll see what everyone else thinks.

[Kaed]

14 minutes ago, Brutishcrab51 said:

The fact that they're machines should have a lot to do with whether or not they should be able to enter space using a suit cooler. Are they a machine? If so, yes, they should. They don't need an atmosphere for shit. They're a machine.

On the contrary they need atmosphere to cool themselves down through convection. Their lack of need to breathe is not the problem here. Suit coolers are workaround for certain models, not an obligation owed to all machines.

[ben10083]

2 hours ago, Kaed said:

On the contrary they need atmosphere to cool themselves down through convection. Their lack of need to breathe is not the problem here. Suit coolers are workaround for certain models, not an obligation owed to all machines.

So in a space station the megacorporations did not think about what would happen if the atmosphere was gone? Why would they design a model that was so incompatable with space that it cannot even wear a eva suit for the suit cooler

[Nantei]

"We designed this one to be the ultimate rescue unit. It can sprint faster than any man, carry people three times it's weight."

"How does it handle in vacuum environments?"
"Do what now?"

The rescue RIG should come with a suit cooler. It's goofy as hell that it doesn't. Designing something for rescue that can't handle vacuums, then sending it to work on a place that will have common things that require EVA, is stupid at best.

Kung Pow comes to mind here...

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[Kaed]

The vast majority of human habitation takes place in planetary atmosphere with earth comparable gravity.  There is no reason to assume that a rescue optimized unit would necessarily be designed for use on a space station where they have to enter a vacuum regularly.  It's claiming a robot made for speed running should be able to go fast underwater just in case they go to a water dominated planet.

Humanity does not reside on asteroid research stations as a general rule.  Our setting is an exception, not a rule.

Edited October 31, 2019 by Kaed

[Nantei]

Common sense dictates you probably wouldn't send a robot that literally cannot go EVA to a place where EVA is going to be a common requirement for that robots job. Stationbounds and humans do it better, and cheaper. I'm not really buying that NT buys these things for a job that they can't even do half of. There's really no good reason they shouldn't have ANY option for going EVA, quite literally every other frame does, no matter how crappy they are.

[Fire and Glory]

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There's really no good reason they shouldn't have ANY option for going EVA, quite literally every other frame does, no matter how crappy they are.

While I was mucking around with seeing how to make the code work I found out that Zeng hues can wear soft suits, which include the orange things in the emergency lockers and the generic grey suit, of which there is one in EVA storage. So it's not quite as bad as all that. Bishop frames are also in the same boat as Zeng hu though I'm not planning on touching them.

[Wildkins]

while we're at it can we make them not explode into flames while considering the concept of a light jog

[Nantei]

14 minutes ago, Wildkins said:

while we're at it can we make them not explode into flames while considering the concept of a light jog

Ironically ZH probably has the least issues with that. Shells may as well not be able to sprint. 

Also let's be honest, Fire. We're talking about played frames. Bishops don't exist.

[Carver]

IPCs don't need more buffs. Expect to lose the speed bonus if you become spaceworthy.

Edited November 1, 2019 by Carver
To clarify, I'm not against being able to wear softsuits and voidsuits. But being spaceworthy without a suit shouldn't be available to that brand.

[Itanimulli]

3 minutes ago, Carver said:

IPCs don't need more buffs. Expect to lose the speed bonus if you become spaceworthy.

They already used to be able to wear suits, kyres made them unable to when he game baselines the only cycled version of a voidsuit + the only ones able to wear the robot species version of a hardsuit, despite the pending spritage of other IPC suits. I find it to be overwhelmingly annoying that this change happened, and was supposed to be remedied with the fabled IPC rework...wich never happened, and probably never will.

[Carver]

Let 'em wear voidsuits and softsuits, that's not an issue. Hardsuits are a hard disagree though.

[Fire and Glory]

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To clarify, I'm not against being able to wear softsuits and voidsuits. But being spaceworthy without a suit shouldn't be available to that brand.

19 minutes ago, Carver said:

Let 'em wear voidsuits and softsuits, that's not an issue. Hardsuits are a hard disagree though.

I think I can get on board with that.

Thinking about roller beds, ladders, hoists, and medical kits, it'd probably be for the best anyhow rather than going naked.

Edited November 1, 2019 by Fire and Glory

[Itanimulli]

Again, they were already able to do these things until suddenly they weren't.

[niennab]

Sorry for the delay in weighing in on this, I've had family visiting (sadly I still do too!).

I confirmed that this change was unintentional. I am a bit preoccupied until the 9th but I can see about reaching out to a coder or writing a bug report at some point!

[Fire and Glory]

14 hours ago, niennab said:

Sorry for the delay in weighing in on this, I've had family visiting (sadly I still do too!).

I confirmed that this change was unintentional. I am a bit preoccupied until the 9th but I can see about reaching out to a coder or writing a bug report at some point!

Can you tell me how much Xions and zong hoos should be able to wear? Voidsuits or voidsuits+hardsuits?

[Nantei]

7 minutes ago, Fire and Glory said:

Can you tell me how much Xions and zong hoos should be able to wear? Voidsuits or voidsuits+hardsuits?

They are industrial so they should be able to go out with just a suit cooler.

[Fire and Glory]

13 minutes ago, Nantei said:

They are industrial so they should be able to go out with just a suit cooler.

Xions are supposed to be less heavy-weight than the others, but still robust (making them industrials). So they both ought to need space suits.

Edited November 5, 2019 by Fire and Glory

[Carver]

1 hour ago, Nantei said:

They are industrial so they should be able to go out with just a suit cooler.

Industrial does not imply being built to be spaceworthy. A lighter industrial model is likely designed for planetside/atmospheric work, whereas the bulkier and slower G-models are such a way because they were designed to work in the conditions of a vacuum.

Or in more IC-appropriate terms: G-models focus on internal/enclosed cooling, Xion is an open-cooling model. The nature of a voidsuit is built-in to the G-model.

[Nantei]

4 hours ago, Carver said:

Industrial does not imply being built to be spaceworthy. A lighter industrial model is likely designed for planetside/atmospheric work, whereas the bulkier and slower G-models are such a way because they were designed to work in the conditions of a vacuum.

Or in more IC-appropriate terms: G-models focus on internal/enclosed cooling, Xion is an open-cooling model. The nature of a voidsuit is built-in to the G-model.

I'm not really arguing they should stay that way. I am just saying how they should be currently.

[niennab]

On 05/11/2019 at 10:47, Fire and Glory said:

Can you tell me how much Xions and zong hoos should be able to wear? Voidsuits or voidsuits+hardsuits?

Sorry, more running around and travel.

Heph 1 and 2 are the only units that can go with the suit cooler only.

All others units are meant to use a suit + cooler (whether integrated or portable).

((I feel a bit silly in that because I've never used a softsuit as an IPC, I do hope I'm not using any terms wrong or presenting the wrong information however))