StinkethStonketh - Head of Staff WL Application

[WaterPumpJohnny]

BYOND key: StinkethStonketh
Character names:

Spencer Robinson

Edit:

Avidan Kimble as well.

Kingsley Sallow (discarded my last service character)

Lastly, Gaston Du Boi

Added Lukas Weber

Added Ulric Jantzen, new captain char

Honorable mention to robot (A.L.F.R.E.D)

NEWLY ADDED:

(I have a problem.

Kalinik Andrysiak, Fisanduh enjoyer + First Responder

Sibabalwe Sibiya, Dreg QM

How long have you been playing on Aurora?: Not long, BUT, I've spent a lot of time on HRP servers and on similar codebases- including Bay, which I grew tired of. I've sunk time into pretty much every codebase that doesn't have erotic roleplay

Have you received any administrative actions? And how serious were they?
Yes, very, perma ban for a meme chaplain character- that was a year ago though, because I really didn't give Aurora a second thought.

Please provide well articulated answers to the following questions in a paragraph each.

What do you think the OOC purpose of a Head of Staff is, ingame?:
To direct a department, not only to be competent, but also to make the game fun for everybody else. Head of Security is the prime example here: Security should NOT be police brutality fetishists who actively shut down any immediate conflict with the intent to "win" rather than to create an engaging story. Also to serve as an example and guide new players. (I know I am technically a new player myself, but besides some small intricacies, I  know this code pretty well.)

 What do you think the OOC responsibilities of Whitelisted players are to other players, and how would you strive to uphold them?:
To make the round fun by giving everyone something to do, while indulging people (to a certain extent) who want to do their own thing. You should also not hold your OOC biases into the game, which, despite how I might act towards certain people on discord- is something I strive to achieve

Could you give us the gist of what is currently happening in Tau ceti and how it affected your character and their career?

More or less, a cold war between greedy mega-corporations vying for influence and Phoron, with governments puppeted under them. My character (Spencer Robinson) is a typical symptom of this environment: a sleazy brownnoser who has a poor opinions of "Dregs" or anyone else of low social standing. 

What roles do you plan on playing after the application is accepted?
HoS, Captain, Consular (After trial)

Have you familiarized yourself with the wiki pages for the command roles?
Yes.

Characters you intend to use for command or have created for command. Include the job they will be taking.:
Stojan Zohair, Head of Security.

Do you understand your whitelist is not permanent, and may be stripped following continuous administrative action?
Yes.

Extra notes:
My character I'm creating for HoS is a Kaelkahist of a noble line that has fallen out of favor due to the dishonorable actions a few generations back. Zohair has strived to be pious and dutiful in a desperate attempt to reestablish his house and holds the Codex of Honor to a level of worship comparable to his worship of the Goddess. Being physically strong with willpower and a mind for strategy, he managed to achieve the position and is now posted on the Aurora. He's been shunned by noble society for most of his life, to the point that he's so wrapped up in his own relatively tame struggles he drowns himself in brooding while being blind to the suffering of the lower classes. Just barely maintains his status with House Strelitz, suspicion being constantly on him due to his unfortunate lineage.

Edited January 9, 2022 by WaterPumpJohnny

[WaterPumpJohnny]

Is it foolish to pen a whitelist application merely days after being unbanned?
Yes,

Am I doing it anyway?

Yes,

Am I mentally stunted?

Yes

[Desven]

You just came back and from a ban, placed by LRP behavior no less. Stick around for longer and apply at a later date, it's too sudden to grant you this power, in my opinion.

[WaterPumpJohnny]

57 minutes ago, Desven said:

You just came back and from a ban, placed by LRP behavior no less. Stick around for longer and apply at a later date, it's too sudden to grant you this power, in my opinion.

I understand where you're coming from, but my counterargument is that that wasn't really me playing here seriously- it was more me a year ago joining with the intent to join with a joke character and get banned. It wasn't really reflective of how I actually play the game- besides, imo nothing will change over a long period of time- if I was a shitter, I'd just be a shitter as warden or sec officer or whatever rather than writing a serious application to be a shitter as a head of staff role. And if I am, in fact, a shitter (I don't really consider myself to be but that's a matter of personal opinion I guess) then the whitelist can be revoked just as quickly as it was granted. 

Edited December 15, 2021 by WaterPumpJohnny

[Butterrobber202]

5 hours ago, WaterPumpJohnny said:

I understand where you're coming from, but my counterargument is that that wasn't really me playing here seriously- it was more me a year ago joining with the intent to join with a joke character and get banned. It wasn't really reflective of how I actually play the game- besides, imo nothing will change over a long period of time- if I was a shitter, I'd just be a shitter as warden or sec officer or whatever rather than writing a serious application to be a shitter as a head of staff role. And if I am, in fact, a shitter (I don't really consider myself to be but that's a matter of personal opinion I guess) then the whitelist can be revoked just as quickly as it was granted. 

The admins have no proof of this besides your words, and that will likely not be enough. 

[WaterPumpJohnny]

13 minutes ago, Butterrobber202 said:

The admins have no proof of this besides your words, and that will likely not be enough. 

Not denying it.

[pictish20]

I can offer some player feedback so that the admins may make their decision with it. I've played two notable rounds with Stinketh:

 

In the first one, Stinketh was a merc along with myself. The round started with Stinketh buying an e-sword and other items before the gimmick was picked, and they largely ignored the narrative we created for the round. Stinketh's character more or less boiled down to "I have a sword, and I want to use it." I consider this pretty poor roleplay, but, the round was enjoyable regardless, including an ending where the station security and surviving mercenaries teaming up to take down "the armed psychopath."

 

On the other hand, a recent round saw Stinketh as a Dominian Chaplain, and I saw them drive several interesting moments and aspects of RP, including a conflict with their faith's dislike for synthetics when I, an IPC, saved their life. 

 

Between the two rounds, it seems to me that Stinketh is capable of good roleplay, interesting characters, and personal responsibility when they want to, but I cannot be sure that they will always exercise this skill. I'm sorry to say, but for now, I am compelled to say -1 on this app.

[WaterPumpJohnny]

1 hour ago, pictish20 said:

I can offer some player feedback so that the admins may make their decision with it. I've played two notable rounds with Stinketh:

 

In the first one, Stinketh was a merc along with myself. The round started with Stinketh buying an e-sword and other items before the gimmick was picked, and they largely ignored the narrative we created for the round. Stinketh's character more or less boiled down to "I have a sword, and I want to use it." I consider this pretty poor roleplay, but, the round was enjoyable regardless, including an ending where the station security and surviving mercenaries teaming up to take down "the armed psychopath."

 

On the other hand, a recent round saw Stinketh as a Dominian Chaplain, and I saw them drive several interesting moments and aspects of RP, including a conflict with their faith's dislike for synthetics when I, an IPC, saved their life. 

 

Between the two rounds, it seems to me that Stinketh is capable of good roleplay, interesting characters, and personal responsibility when they want to, but I cannot be sure that they will always exercise this skill. I'm sorry to say, but for now, I am compelled to say -1 on this app.

 

I will defend my behavior during the merc round: First, I wasn't 100% acquainted with merc, and I just turned on my antag prefs by force of  habit-  now, I do admit this was a blunder- but my character was also to counter (what I assume was) yours, the Specialist, who was deadset on negotiating peace even after it was clearly not an option. Mercenaries are meant to create conflict. We had stalled for over an hour trying to come up with a gimmick. The ending wouldn't have happened if I played a generic character. I was also not entirely a bloodthirsty maniac: I never made the first move, unless you count threatening statements in response to less threatening statements as attack. I interacted with many crew members, and even spared the investigator after he refused to surrender (he surrendered after I beat him up with my nerf sword/esword) taking him to medbay. I think that round NEEDED some action on that scale. 

 

However, I'll take your criticism- some of it's valid in my eyes, some of it's debatable. Thanks regardless.

[Shadow7889]

I've only had positive interactions with the player icly and oocly. I think they're capable in a command setting! +1!

[WaterPumpJohnny]

Bump

[ShesTrying]

Hey- I’m going to be handling this. I’d like to see a little more feedback from the community before a decision is made. Please reach out to me on Discord at ProbablyTrying#4393 aswell so I can have a chat with you. 
 

thanks! 

[Cold_Monkeys]

I've only had good interactions, and they definitely know how to drive a round. Definite +1 from me.

[WaterPumpJohnny]

For the record: I won't be at my pc or playing aurora for like, the next week. I can still respond to the forums and discord tho.

[WaterPumpJohnny]

Update: Back on PC

[ryder]

I personally haven't had very positive experiences with how you lead rounds, especially as an antag, that would lead me to want to see you lead departments from the other side. While you had a decent vampire round recently, I more often see you neglecting roleplay and opting more for freefire situations, and your OOC perspective seems to prioritize that as well. I feel my RP in rounds has come to a grinding halt, with over the top and memey villainy/ultraviolence that's difficult to stomach for those like myself who are especially involved in, you know, an HRP community. That's all. Ultimately, it gives me the impression that you may want to take a bit more time to accustom yourself to HRP before throwing yourself into a role like this.

-1

[WaterPumpJohnny]

7 minutes ago, ryder said:

I personally haven't had very positive experiences with how you lead rounds, especially as an antag, that would lead me to want to see you lead departments from the other side. While you had a decent vampire round recently, I more often see you neglecting roleplay and opting more for freefire situations, and your OOC perspective seems to prioritize that as well. I feel my RP in rounds has come to a grinding halt, with over the top and memey villainy/ultraviolence that's difficult to stomach for those like myself who are especially involved in, you know, an HRP community. That's all. Ultimately, it gives me the impression that you may want to take a bit more time to accustom yourself to HRP before throwing yourself into a role like this.

-1

Uh hey that's a really brazen statement with a lot of venom mixed in there.  Can I have a few examples? And I don't need to be "accustomed to HRP", I've played it for years. And I don't remember "memey villainy" either.  Antagonists are meant to antagonize.

Edited January 2, 2022 by WaterPumpJohnny

[Roaper]

11 minutes ago, WaterPumpJohnny said:

Uh hey that's a really brazen statement with a lot of venom mixed in there.  Can I have a few examples? And I don't need to be "accustomed to HRP", I've played it for years. And I don't remember "memey villainy" either.  Antagonists are meant to antagonize.

Not entirely. Antagonists are meant to add a changing variable and help push role play by adding conflict. Conflict does not necessarily need to mean shooting up people, bombing stuff, or making things miserable. This is a pretty well known fact on most HRP servers and holds true here as well. Gonna be a -1 from me. I'd say just take things slow and try and get a grasp on the basics rather than rushing into roles with more responsibility

[WaterPumpJohnny]

4 minutes ago, Roaper said:

Not entirely. Antagonists are meant to add a changing variable and help push role play by adding conflict. Conflict does not necessarily need to mean shooting up people, bombing stuff, or making things miserable. This is a pretty well known fact on most HRP servers and holds true here as well. Gonna be a -1 from me. I'd say just take things slow and try and get a grasp on the basics rather than rushing into roles with more responsibility

Again: Where is ANY example? It's just a bandwagon

[Roaper]

2 minutes ago, WaterPumpJohnny said:

Again: Where is ANY example? It's just a bandwagon

I wasn't bringing up any single antagonist round, just pointing out that antagonist is a misnomer on HRP. They aren't meant to antagonize, they're meant to be a special role that promotes the round. I've seen good antags that were both working with the station and against it. Antag doesn't start and end at 'person who is attacking crew and station'.

If you want a particular incident though, I believe I was involved with the one noted earlier in the thread.

 

[ryder]

31 minutes ago, WaterPumpJohnny said:

Can I have a few examples?

There was a round where mercenaries came aboard, opened automatic fire on an unarmed crew, and lynched characters. Last I recall you were a part of the group of antags that round. While ultimately things were belayed to a "massive misunderstanding", without discussing a closed ticket overmuch, you still take the initiative as an antagonist to drive roleplay forward for all players in the round. The same can be said when responding to antags as a head of staff.

[WaterPumpJohnny]

1 minute ago, ryder said:

There was a round where mercenaries came aboard, opened automatic fire on an unarmed crew, and lynched characters. Last I recall you were a part of the group of antags that round. While ultimately things were belayed to a "massive misunderstanding", without discussing a closed ticket overmuch, you still take the initiative as an antagonist to drive roleplay forward for all players in the round. The same can be said when responding to antags as a head of staff.

That WAS NOT me, you've clearly mistaken me for someone else- I've only had two merc rounds, bughunt mercs and zavodski mercs, and  I don't think either fit in here

Edited January 2, 2022 by WaterPumpJohnny

[WaterPumpJohnny]

10 minutes ago, Roaper said:

I wasn't bringing up any single antagonist round, just pointing out that antagonist is a misnomer on HRP. They aren't meant to antagonize, they're meant to be a special role that promotes the round. I've seen good antags that were both working with the station and against it. Antag doesn't start and end at 'person who is attacking crew and station'.

If you want a particular incident though, I believe I was involved with the one noted earlier in the thread.

 

I think I've misspoken- well, mistyped, whatever. I DO NOT believe that antagonizing is limited to fire and brimstone nor is it good antagonizing. I try not to kill people and instead engage them in roleplay, and if I do I make it a spectacle. I feel like I often get villainized for this stuff. I don't mind if people kill me myself and maybe I impose that onto others, I understand that. An example of the  >  I've seen good antags that were both working with the station and against it.> was during the bug hunt round like, 2 weeks ago, I came up with a gimmick of religious inquisitors (basically) who used slightly foolish methods but still knew what they are, but did ridiculous stuff like forcing crew to jump to test if they had their motor functions, and we gave the borers a better chance by saying bodyscans were ineffective- it even escalated to conflict with security and my suicide as the leader because we attempted to kill a borer'd crew member near end of round. I heard no complaints about that gimmick or round except from one person who was hesitant at first but I think warmed up to it, and another who didn't like the human only nature (we were solarians, kind of an independent agency if that makes sense) but he gave up merc and there was no problems there. Anyway I should really sleep now I'm a dipshit

[Roaper]

10 minutes ago, WaterPumpJohnny said:

That WAS NOT me, you've clearly mistaken me for someone else- I've only had two merc rounds, bughunt mercs and zavodski mercs, and  I don't think either fit in here

Ah my bad, I thought I read above that you were a Dominian merc during a specific round. I'll go ahead and rescind the comments pertaining to that. I'll just leave on the note that generally you're gonna have a lot more eyes on behavior as a Head of staff that might add undue stress. I know it did for me. I'd still say get more time under your belt but I'll let those involved with the other rounds weigh in. 

[CampinKiller]

5 hours ago, ryder said:

There was a round where mercenaries came aboard, opened automatic fire on an unarmed crew, and lynched characters. Last I recall you were a part of the group of antags that round. While ultimately things were belayed to a "massive misunderstanding", without discussing a closed ticket overmuch, you still take the initiative as an antagonist to drive roleplay forward for all players in the round. The same can be said when responding to antags as a head of staff.

I’m assuming you’re talking about the Dominian merc team. If so, he was not on the team

[WaterPumpJohnny]

8 hours ago, Roaper said:

Ah my bad, I thought I read above that you were a Dominian merc during a specific round. I'll go ahead and rescind the comments pertaining to that. I'll just leave on the note that generally you're gonna have a lot more eyes on behavior as a Head of staff that might add undue stress. I know it did for me. I'd still say get more time under your belt but I'll let those involved with the other rounds weigh in. 

On this note, I very much understand that:  I've played bay head of staff which was infinitely more annoying, and I like leadership roles in ss13