Ove Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 (edited) BYOND Key: Ove Player Byond Key: Stephieee, PootisManiac Staff involved: Alberyk Reason for complaint: (See below) Approximate Date/Time: 8:30 - 12:30 AM GMT, 12/28/2015 Notice! Being the idiot that I am, I accidentally put this in the Whitelist Applications forum. Man, I'm stunned. Here it is, in the valid listing! And also man, it's been a while since I've written one of these, apologies for my forgetting to use the proper format! Let me set the scene for you: It's a ling round, and let me tell you, things have gotten bad. There was a mass-slime outbreak, the lings were attacking and killing, a certain Roboticist was creating a Durand mech with no authorization whatsoever (Who ended up firing their AC 2 and blew up a welding tank in their Durand), and Rin Fukuimoto and Stephanie Smith were--...wait, what. They've vaulted over the Kitchen counter together to start cooking a bunch of heinous shit, legitimately over six items in less than two minutes? Four giant gummy bears which were laced with Pun Pun's meat? Holy mackerel, okay. Let me just run you through everything I've experienced in the round that they've done. First of all, Rin (Played by PootisManiac), being her usual self, was in the Holodeck, boxing and attacking people, or whatever her typical bullshit entails, I'm not exactly sure. She's in the Holodeck for a good ten to fifteen minutes, and while I can't be certain if she was doing so during a Slime outbreak-- I do know however that she was helping a bit after it came out-- she had completely stripped the HoS and taken his dermal armor implant, for her own personal use. I frowned at this, considering that this character has a reputation of horrible treatment to antagonists, considering that people were telling me they witnessed her beat a changeling to death in a straight jacket, then walked out into space, without any form of space-proof suit on, to throw the ling's body into space. Like, I find it legitimately INSANE that no one has chosen to create a forum complaint against this player yet. Skip forward a bit into the round. A Bartender is holding his shotgun, either on his back or in his hand, I can't say for sure, but Stephanie, (Played by Stephieee), a Detective, drew her pistol and screamed "DROP IT!" and proceeded to vault the Bar's counter to take the Bartender's shotgun. The Bartender, having none of it, I assume gets disarmed or drops it, only to pull a knife on her. He hits her a few times but ultimately does next to no damage, but holy cow. Stephanie first fires both rounds point-blank at the Bartender of the shotgun, then withdraws her sidearm and literally empties the entire magazine into the man at point-blank range. Just five minutes later, buckled to a chair in front of Stephanie Smith herself, the Bartender dies in Processing from multiple gunshot wounds mid-interview. A few words are exchanged in PDA between Rin and Steph, including "Want to get something to eat together? I can cook you [x], it's been in my family for generations" which of course, they go do. I was paying attention to the Durand destroying the Robotics lab, but when I looked at the Kitchen, I felt the dank memes messing with my mind once again. Stephanie and Rin were tresspassing in the Kitchen, cooking giant gummy bears laced with alcohol and meat. Among what they were making, was also ice cream laced with alcohol. They were nonchalantly committing crimes and asking if the crew would like any of their wares. They soon ran out of meat, and that's when our good friend Pun Pun walked on top of the counter. Rin took one look and said, and I quote, "fresh meat" and walked over to him, and dragged him inside the Kitchen. A brief debate was found between the two on whether or not to kill him, but of course, violence always wins. They brought Pun Pun into the back, Stephanie armed with a rolling pin, and proceeded to bash him over the head. She was then joined by Rin, who whipped out her stun baton, turned it on, and the two of them beat the monkey to death. I believe someone said in LOOC, "It's more efficient to use the gibber." To which one of them replied, "Nah, this way is more fun." The results of this idiotic venture? A giant gummy bear laced with Pun Pun meat. The behaviour I've witnessed this round was downright atrocious from multiple parties, but this struck me as particularly abhorrant. This is not behavior viable for a HeavyRP server's community in the slightest. I'm fully willing to ask a staff member to post the logs here so that I may back my statements up with cold hard facts, and proof. Heh. Good luck, buddy. Cue the two of them stealing items from the deceased Internal Affairs agent to "send a fax" even though the Captain, HoS (Who was admittedly a ling), CE, and HoP were all available. Cue Rin beating the shit out of a ling because fuck the crime of excessive use of force. Even further proving my previous point. And lol, yeah, with a crowbar! Justice! *Slow clap* Edited December 29, 2015 by Guest Link to comment
Chaznoodles Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 (edited) I was the HoS-ling during this round. I can testify to Rin and Stephanie being absolutely terrible in every single aspect as Security. HoS (Who was admittedly a ling) Actually no proof at all of me being a changeling until I went ham on the Warden and Detective near the round end :^) Edited December 29, 2015 by Guest Link to comment
TishinaStalker Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 Please use the format. http://aurorastation.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=23 Link to comment
WitchKat Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 BYOND Key: Stephiee Couple things here: 1) That stuff in the kitchen with PunPun was totally illegal. I'll admit to that. 2) The bartender aimed his gun at me. That led to me confiscating it, where he then proceeded to stab me repeatedly as I tried to flee him. He kept stabbing me, so I shot him four times. He didn't stop after one, two, or three. I called for medics once Security Officer IAM took him to processing in cuffs. I treated his wounds and gave him inaprovaline. He was alive when the medic got to him. 3) I wanted to use the IAA's ID to send a fax to CentComm, as I believed at the time that the Captain might also be a ling. 4) As for the HoS-ling case evidence, two people, one an AI, saw him do it. He was the only one there when that IAA died from a "biological needle". The HoS gave a ridiculous statement that didn't match any of the evidence from the scene. ICly and OOCly, people can figure out -WHO- did it, even if they know nothing about what a ling is. I was shocked when I saw the Captain wasn't an antag. It was extremely clear what happened to the IAA. Link to comment
UnknownMurder Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 Let's see which part I remember being involved in. Excuse my Spoilers, I dislike have to create huge blocks post, unless if you want it; click all the spoiler buttons. I remember this. I was beating the shit out of CE Isaak the Tajaran in thunderdome. First of all, Rin (Played by PootisManiac), being her usual self, was in the Holodeck, boxing and attacking people, or whatever her typical bullshit entails, I'm not exactly sure. She's in the Holodeck for a good ten to fifteen minutes, and while I can't be certain if she was doing so during a Slime outbreak-- I was assigned to track down whom had the Dermal. It was Rin. She willingly gave it to me. I had Head of Security's orders to retrieve the Dermal but then, the Captain blocked and turned down the order. I do know however that she was helping a bit after it came out-- she had completely stripped the HoS and taken his dermal armor implant, for her own personal use. I frowned at this, considering that this character has a reputation of horrible treatment to antagonists I saw this. I was there. Rin was encouraging me to beat the shit out of some changeling, then spaced it to North. I don't think any staff cared when I THINK I adminhelped about that. OH WELL. I do remember being assigned to search for Changeling's body. She said, North East. Might be helpful for you to track this log down. (CTRL-F in Notepad) considering that people were telling me they witnessed her beat a changeling to death in a straight jacket, then walked out into space, without any form of space-proof suit on, to throw the ling's body into space. Like, I find it legitimately INSANE that no one has chosen to create a forum complaint against this player yet. She says this over radio communication all the time. I just didn't arrest them or tell them to get out of Kitchen because... You know, it's one vs two and no one had an issue with it. A few words are exchanged in PDA between Rin and Steph, including "Want to get something to eat together? I can cook you [x], it's been in my family for generations" which of course, they go do. I was paying attention to the Durand destroying the Robotics lab, but when I looked at the Kitchen, I felt the dank memes messing with my mind once again. Stephanie and Rin were tresspassing in the Kitchen, cooking giant gummy bears laced with alcohol and meat. Among what they were making, was also ice cream laced with alcohol. They were nonchalantly committing crimes and asking if the crew would like any of their wares. I try my best to ignore their behaviors. To be honest, I didn't really want to get involved with their RP. I knew they were troublemakers. The behaviour I've witnessed this round was downright atrocious from multiple parties, but this struck me as particularly abhorrant. This is not behavior viable for a HeavyRP server's community in the slightest. I'm fully willing to ask a staff member to post the logs here so that I may back my statements up with cold hard facts, and proof. Also, to previous round as shown in the pictures regardin' Rin beating the shit out of Josen. I was there. I saw it. That was End of Round Grief. I was the one who cuffed Rin and dragged her out to the Holding Cell. There she lays, SSD (I assume Banned.) I know most of this story if staffs are still investigating on this matter. As for the HoS Case. I was the only Security supporting for the Head of Security. Every Security were just biased and metagaming. The Head of Security, Josen Keelin, was held for 1:40 hours, Chaznoodles says in LOOC. He didn't seem to enjoy it. I felt pity for him and decided to join Josen. There, I started adminhelping Alberyk. Detective and Rin were SO biased against Head of Security. AI decided to 'House Arrest' Head of Security. Rin decided to blitz into room while Head of Security sits in his chair staring, unarmed. The most ridiculous excuse I've heard? She was expecting HoS to be armed as Alberyk tells me. So, his Antag round was wasted. No one supported the HoS. The Captain tried to support HoS but then, Detective decides to pull Captain in and spout something at him then, Head of Security was somewhat free for a little duration of time to do his little goody antag things while I was exterminating Slimes with OneZero. They had no evidence for being arrested, just 'eye testimony' by Warden and AI. Security, even I, didn't care about Adrien clones. So, I am to be partially blamed for not caring about it when I should be, Destiny Fields was also an Adrien clone. But, I couldn't just leave Head of Security in the room being swarmed by bunch of Security Metagamers who actually knew HoS was OOCly a Changeling. I guess you can say I wasted my Secret Round protecting my Boss whom no one acknowledged. Link to comment
EvilBrage Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 I was the HoS-ling during this round. I can testify to Rin and Stephanie being absolutely terrible in every single aspect as Security. HoS (Who was admittedly a ling) Actually no proof at all of me being a changeling until I went ham on the Warden and Detective near the round end :^) Actually you stunned and killed the IAA in the first fifteen minutes of the round right where I could hear you and see you as the AI. :^) Honestly, how did you think that would go? I didn't see a lot of RP going on in that room; wonder how that IAA liked what happened. The only reason you weren't permabrigged for the entire round is the captain came along and inexplicably ignored the fact that you were directly witnessed murdering the IAA, you fought back against security vehemently when they arrived, and your story was downright terrible. I even had PDA logs of the attempt at luring Constantine to the same fate, but a few characters that round seemed to suffer from a severe lack of brain. I can execute some willful blindness for the sake of some good antag shenanigans, but really? Right in the conference room? Can't speak about the other nonsense about graverobbing and food-making, but I made it very clear that Keelin was a cold-blooded killer and that he should definitely not be released. Even had my laws checked mid-round when I had to replace some vowels with apostrophes. There was no "security bias" - there was security acknowledging the fact outlined in the identifying antagonists page, that AI units are not known to malfunction and their word can be taken as truth. Soon as I saw that several people weren't cooperating and Keelin was going to escape, again, I was tempted to lock down everything and write everyone in the brig off as a loss. Amidst the slimes that got into the bridge and medbay and all the other nonsense that was going on, though? It was a terrible round, and security wasn't able to keep order because of all the infighting. When that happens, people go nuts. Link to comment
Ove Posted December 29, 2015 Author Share Posted December 29, 2015 I'd like to remind everyone that the focus of this complaint is on PootisManiac and Stephieee. Please do not derail it by bringing up someone else's actions. Link to comment
Owen Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 I noticed that my choices as the Captian are being brought up here quite a bit. I will not post my reasonings for what Valorallen did here. If you wish to know why I did what I did and how it can be justified PM me. But this should stay on topic with the people who the complaint is about. Link to comment
LordFowl Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 I don't typically get involved with these complaints, but what Rin stands out to me as an extremely biased person towards changelings. Her player character clearly, whenever there's even a hint of changelings involved in a round, goes to full validhunt mode. I purposefully didn't spectate this round when I saw that Rin was on the case with changelings, and did some other things. I will provide some clarification concerning the other incident, however. The changeling was held in communal, and the security team was deliberately feeding it monkeys that it turned into humans. (The behaviour of changelings turning monkeys into humans and then absorbing them is questionable, but neither here nor there.) When the changeling finally went hostile (Who could've known, when you'd fed it all those monkeys?) it had plenty of points, but didn't actually kill anyone. Alberyk's character managed to gun it down to critical, and it was forced to revive itself. While it did so, the security team put the changeling into a straitjacket and moved it to solitary. After everyone had left solitary, Rin convinced two of her buddies, for no discernible reason other than to kill the antag that was detained securely, to do the following; They threw a flashbang into the cell, then they tasered the changeling, then they ran up to it and flashed it, backed away, ran back up to it and stunned it, cuffed it, put it in a straitjacket, buckled it to the bed, ganged around it and harmbattoned it to death, and dragged it into maintenance despite clear indication from other involved security members that what they were doing was wrong. Rin then dragged it into the command access with nothing but an oxygen mask, and proceeded to vent the maintenance tunnel by opening both airlocks at the same time. She was pushed over by airflow, then stood back up, drag the changeling and threw them into space. By the time she had gotten back to safety her medic hud marked her in the orange-yellow state. As if that charade wasn't bad enough, when she was fired and imprisoned for that she tried her hardest to validhunt and convinced others to validhunt the remaining changeling, lobbying to no end for the head of security to murderkill them. Link to comment
Alberyk Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 Rin is a really aggressive and pretty much unbelievable character. Her shenanigans includes fighting to near death in the holodeck, with stools or even bats when not just using their bare fists, which just end with her being arrested and sent to surgery. Besides from just ignoring the pain or the bloody insanity that is punching people's ribs until they break, when arrested she just creates far more trouble, like trying to escape from her sentence, all of this as a security officer. I did believe it was an ic issue before, but at this point it seems a problem to be discussed in a player complaint. Link to comment
Ove Posted December 29, 2015 Author Share Posted December 29, 2015 I would appreciate the player of Rin, PootisManiac, being summoned for their defense on this topic. Link to comment
the_furry Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 I was originally gona make this a player complaint but then i was told by admins to submit a ir instead. But since we're complaining about how shitty rin is heres my experience. verview of the Incident: Safiya thought she submitted this report but it looks like it never got to the duty officers desk. It started with Safiya responding to a fight that broke out between the bartender Rin and another crew member at the holodeck. When she arrived Rin Fukuimoto and Anthony carver where both in critical condition. Both suffered broken bones, massive trauma, and Anthony had internal bleeding. Safiya first stabilized Rin Fukuimoto then moved to treat Anthony and stabilize Anthony. As she was working, Rin stood up and started pouring a full bottle of alcohol down Anthony’s throat while he was unconscious and in critical. This could have easily killed the already dying Anthony. Safiya pushed Rin back and rushed Anthony to medbay. She left Rin to be treated by other doctors. After Safiya saved Anthony she found out Rin had died due to complications and being uncooperative during treatment. Upon Rin’s cloneing she demanded her things back from Safiya. Safiya was turning the items over to security as evidence for the attempted murder. Rin’s response was to rush into medbay surgery take the scalpel and lung at Safiya trying to stab her. Being surrounded by security at the time Rin was quickly apprehended and Safiya was unharmed. This was the second attempted murder in one shift by Rin. Safiya isn’t sure what lead to Rin’s release but Safiya ran into Rin in medical hall approximately 20 mins later. Without a word Rin smashed Safiya’s head with a glass bottle and lit her on fire then began assaulting safi. Safiya managed to subdue Rin with a syringe of sleep toxin and the assistance of security staff. The sleep toxin seemed to induce a case of SSD but Safiya was fearful of her life and needed to defend herself. Safiya was treated for major head trauma, bleeding, and burns, by other medical staff. The next shift Safiya saw Rin come in as a security officer. She was not aware that Rin had the requirements of security officer but Safiya does not feel safe on board a station that employs someone who will attempt murder three times in one shift and is obviously psychotic Link to comment
Ove Posted December 29, 2015 Author Share Posted December 29, 2015 Aye, atrocious. Like I said, I would appreciate PootisManiac replying here with their defense as soon as possible. Link to comment
Eliot Clef Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 Right, so, I'm going to contribute what information I have here. Changeling round #1: This is the one where the "relatively" contained changeling, whose name I forget (Corvo, I think? Was the Warden early in the shift), was beaten to death and thrown into space. I, as IAM, was appointed Interim Head of Security when the Head of Personnel, Niklaus Nox, started having a breakdown about the shift being so crazy on his first shift back from jail. We caught the first ling, whose name I forget, in relatively short order. We tried a loyalty and tracking implant combo, and it acted compliant for a while, asking to be fed. Initially we were going to put it in xenobiology, but there were no xenobiologists to work with it so we just decided to stick it in communal and give it the food it asked for. So, this goes pretty smoothly for a while. I think... Alex Graves? Was watching the ling during this time. Eventually it ran out of monkeys/food, and started getting agitated and breaking things. So it got apprehended, we slapped a straightjacket on it, and I think somebody took it to isolation? Or maybe put it back in communal, I can't remember clearly. And I can't remember clearly because I was trying to handle the second ling. This guy started as Pablo, and later turned into Valorallen Vitellia, the Captain. When we caught up to him along with another member of security, having been told that somebody with his equipment had committed a murder by the Detective, he used that ling eye-spider thing to incapacitate the Officer with me and came after me. I detained him successfully, but by the time I got back an additional incident was ongoing with the first ling. I set Pablo/Vitellia in holding and tried to help handle that situation, and Rin pulled her airlock stunt. I mentally bookmarked her for demotion at this time, and eventually told somebody else (again, I think Alex Graves) to confiscate her equipment and ID. They neglected to take her security radio, and she spent the rest of the round heckling us about being right about the monsters we'd caught. (She sort of was, admittedly.) Note that at the time we knew changelings could regenerate, and for all practical purposes Rin threw it away, giving it the opportunity to escape. I spent a while faffing around trying to get command advice on the lings, who were proving impossible to contain. No DOs around to respond, so I waffled on killing Pablo/Vitellia but was talked out of it by uncertainty from Katana Silvers, who was assisting me at the time. (I had noted by this point that the lings never used their weird abilities on non-organics, and decided Katana could help transport Pablo safely.) Meanwhile Rin was sparking up a lynch mob in security, and all sorts of characters who shouldn't have been present in security were. I had her roaming around shouting on sec comms (long since stripped of all other equipment) trying to get at Pablo. I, and the other heads of staff, met in my office. Pablo deathstung the HoP while restrained, after the HoP decided killing Pablo was too legally risky. I shot Pablo to death and had him burned in the incinerator. Rin and her mob, which included Security Officer Destiny Fields, remained outside in the hall the entire time. Changeling round #2: I came into this round slightly late. The ling was the Head of Security, who had eaten an IAA in the conference room of the bridge. This was witnessed by the AI, as well as somebody else who was on cameras at the time. For some reason the Captain didn't really want to listen to the fact that the HoS was acting shady as shit. My first encounter with the HoS acting shady as shit was, after he was put under house arrest, when he tried to shoot out his office window and blame it on the Warden. Eventually he was (inexplicably) released by the Captain, brutally beat and/or murdered the Warden and Detective outside of robotics, and then later re-caught. The AI flipped its shit over this rampant incompetence and tried to quarantine the HoS in security with the Captain and a bunch of others (myself included), which resulted in a big ruckus. I can't actually say I disagree with the AI's decision, as the Captain's willingness to assume the AI and camera man were lying or wrong and buy into the HoS's story was actively killing people. The Captain ended up in cuffs until we got to the Odin, which is where the actual noteworthy events took place. HoS armbladed and tried to break out of the cell at Odin, Rin beat him to death with her stun baton and got banned, etc. I can, further, confirm that Rin makes a regular habit of very violent behavior. I don't mind normal holodeck duels but she insists on bare-knuckle/chair duels fairly regularly, in one round only pausing when other sec members came to watch. While she's usually cooperative during arrest and demotion, afterwards she has a tendency to cause problems and form little lynch mobs or gangs. As for Stephanie, I was only there for the back end of the incident at the bar. He did indeed come at her with a knife, she did indeed unload a revolver into him. We took him into custody with wounds, fixed him up a little, and he was in fact alive when medics arrived at processing. Since I didn't see the rest, I can't comment on it. Link to comment
Owen Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 Here is what happened from the Captain's point of view. I only went off of IC knowledge and what my character knew at that time and tried to make the best decisions out of it. It is just a quick overview of what happened. I really didn't go into specifics. So, I played the Captain for the second ling round and as soon as I spawned in I was berated by the AI saying that the Commander was in for murder and for the first 15 minutes or so I spent getting information out of all of the people involved and couldn’t get any solid evidence that the Commander did actually kill the IAA. At the time where I was starting to believe the AI, we found out it had a law change and started malfunctioning so the CE and I went to fix it which was done pretty easily. I never was able to find out what the malfunctioning law was and I didn’t know how long the law was there so I wasn’t sure how much I could trust the AI there. Eventually I was called down to the detective’s office where I was given a report on the evidence of the murder and when I read it all it contained was papers saying that there were fingerprints of the HoS on the Stun Baton. I ignored that as it is quite obvious why it would be on HIS baton. The other part was the autopsy which said that an organic needle killed the IAA. I was unsure what the organic needle was and around the time that I found out about it, the HoP arrived and we decided that it could have been poison from somewhere else as the Commander is loyalty implanted and would never murder the IAA for no reason. The reason I allowed the Commander to go to his office and stay there is because I could find no absolute solid evidence that he killed someone and I am pretty sure that no one told me that the AI heard a fight going on when the IAA died. All I was told was that the HoS claimed to be speaking with the IAA about a personal matter and then the IAA went pale and started gasping so the HoS attempted CPR and put cuffs on the IAA so he wouldn’t be a danger to the HoS or himself. That was when the AI locked down the room so he claimed. When I was making all of those decisions that was basically all I had to go off of as no one was telling me what the fuck was even going on. When the window broke in security I figured it was the Commander as the Warden had no laser weapons on him so I said we were going to take the Commander non-lethally if he is resisting. The only reason I said that is because the AI claimed he was suiting up in Riot gear I believe. Then the doors and the shutters to the HoS Office opened and Rin went running in shooting when the Commander was buckled to the chair with his weapons visible on the desk. It was a decision with the Heads of Staff to release the Commander as we decided that there wasn’t enough solid evidence and that the Commander was loyalty implanted and had no reason to kill the IAA even if he wanted to. That was when we as a Command staff decided to release the commander. I even said then that we were going to have him submit to a Duty Officer up arrival to the NMSS Odin to investigate the incident in a more secure and less stressful environment. I still am unsure why I was arrested as I said that everyone involved in the incident in the processing room who was involved in the murders were going to be detained until we arrived at Odin as the transfer was only a few minutes away. When I said that Rin turned on her Stun Baton and chased me down the hallway to the HoS Office saying she was going to arrest me. ((I can only assume that she was mad that I ordered her detainment)) When I asked her why I was being arrested she said “Fuck you” I asked her again after I was stunned multiple times by her and she said “Fuck you” again if I remember correctly. After that she claimed that I was arrested for “Being a condom” I was never actually given a legitimate reason except that the AI ordered my arrest. As a final note I will say that I am not mad about what happened during the round and I am only putting things that my character would know ICly. OOCly wise of course I knew that the Commander was a Changeling but the issue is I could not be brought enough IC evidence to back the claim that he murdered the IAA. If this was confused I apologize. I typed it fast and don’t remember the round as clearly as I would have hoped. Link to comment
Eliot Clef Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 -snip- Apprehending you just caused more problems, honestly. I don't necessarily think you did something OOCly unreasonable mind you, and it was clear to me in our communications that your character had some reason to trust the HoS. My character (IAM) implicitly trusts the AI unless given a reason to do otherwise, so he took it at face value and later had somebody (Kala) come running up to him begging for help because the Commander had just axe murdered the Warden and Detective in the middle of the hall. He wouldn't have chosen to arrest you, but didn't interfere with it until Odin to get the AI to cooperate. Simultaneously, since the AI knew for a fact that the HoS was a multiple murderer at that point and you kept interfering in safe handling of him, I do not think its actions were unreasonable even if they were hindering. Link to comment
Owen Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 -snip- Apprehending you just caused more problems, honestly. I don't necessarily think you did something OOCly unreasonable mind you, and it was clear to me in our communications that your character had some reason to trust the HoS. My character (IAM) implicitly trusts the AI unless given a reason to do otherwise, so he took it at face value and later had somebody (Kala) come running up to him begging for help because the Commander had just axe murdered the Warden and Detective in the middle of the hall. He wouldn't have chosen to arrest you, but didn't interfere with it until Odin to get the AI to cooperate. Simultaneously, since the AI knew for a fact that the HoS was a multiple murderer at that point and you kept interfering in safe handling of him, I do not think its actions were unreasonable even if they were hindering. Alright, with this... I really didn't even know what was happening during the end of this round and was just wanting it to be over. But I don't think I caught the part where he murdered two people with an axe. When I entered that room though I wanted both the HoS, Rin and anyone else involved with the incident in that room detained for questioning at Odin. ((At that time I finally figured it out that the HoS was the murderer)) But I was still unsure if he was the murderer as Rin said something about him vomiting spiders which logically I wouldn't believe so I ordered all of their arrests. When I said that the AI announced that no one was leaving until both I and the HoS were detained so I went to the HoS Office to unlock Security and Rin came in chasing me with an active stun baton saying "Fuck you" ((I am pretty sure IAM was there when that happened)) I will say that I have a bias against Rin as I frankly do not like her as a character one bit. I sort of understand why I am arrested as it looked bad with the lack of communication that I was providing between the Command staff and Security but I assure you that we agreed that letting the HoS out for now was the best course of action. Basically there was a huge miscommunication going on. I had no idea what was going on and I am sure many others didn't know what was happening either. Link to comment
Eliot Clef Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 Alright, with this... I really didn't even know what was happening during the end of this round and was just wanting it to be over. But I don't think I caught the part where he murdered two people with an axe. When I entered that room though I wanted both the HoS, Rin and anyone else involved with the incident in that room detained for questioning at Odin. ((At that time I finally figured it out that the HoS was the murderer)) But I was still unsure if he was the murderer as Rin said something about him vomiting spiders which logically I wouldn't believe so I ordered all of their arrests. When I said that the AI announced that no one was leaving until both I and the HoS were detained so I went to the HoS Office to unlock Security and Rin came in chasing me with an active stun baton saying "Fuck you" ((I am pretty sure IAM was there when that happened)) I will say that I have a bias against Rin as I frankly do not like her as a character one bit. I sort of understand why I am arrested as it looked bad with the lack of communication that I was providing between the Command staff and Security but I assure you that we agreed that letting the HoS out for now was the best course of action. Basically there was a huge miscommunication going on. I had no idea what was going on and I am sure many others didn't know what was happening either. Re: Axe murder: It wasn't literal axe murder, he used an arm blade out in a public hallway. Also yes, I was present when Rin chased you around with a stun baton. By then I'd kind of decided to keep my head down and sort it out at Odin, particularly with the AI going ballistic. Link to comment
Owen Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Alright, with this... I really didn't even know what was happening during the end of this round and was just wanting it to be over. But I don't think I caught the part where he murdered two people with an axe. When I entered that room though I wanted both the HoS, Rin and anyone else involved with the incident in that room detained for questioning at Odin. ((At that time I finally figured it out that the HoS was the murderer)) But I was still unsure if he was the murderer as Rin said something about him vomiting spiders which logically I wouldn't believe so I ordered all of their arrests. When I said that the AI announced that no one was leaving until both I and the HoS were detained so I went to the HoS Office to unlock Security and Rin came in chasing me with an active stun baton saying "Fuck you" ((I am pretty sure IAM was there when that happened)) I will say that I have a bias against Rin as I frankly do not like her as a character one bit. I sort of understand why I am arrested as it looked bad with the lack of communication that I was providing between the Command staff and Security but I assure you that we agreed that letting the HoS out for now was the best course of action. Basically there was a huge miscommunication going on. I had no idea what was going on and I am sure many others didn't know what was happening either. Re: Axe murder: It wasn't literal axe murder, he used an arm blade out in a public hallway. Also yes, I was present when Rin chased you around with a stun baton. By then I'd kind of decided to keep my head down and sort it out at Odin, particularly with the AI going ballistic. Alright, that probably was a good choice keeping your head down honestly. Thanks for clarifying that. Link to comment
Cognite Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Alright, forgive me if both my formating and spelling are atrocious, since i am not very used to BBCode style posting and it's late at night, but here it goes (if any of this is wrong, feel free to correct me, my memory is not very good and if you all don't mind, i will be editing this post and adding to it afterwards, since each spoiler will contain a big wall of text with my explanation to each individual complaint (ling 1/2 and the incident with Safiya)) 1) As for the first ling incident, from my point of view, it all started like this: i was in the QM's office ( Stephiee ) for some pizza, since she had invited me there to eat and i was just out from a somewhat shoody surgery which i lost considerable amounts of blood in, so the pizza would help me gain some of it back. We were chatting and eating when some naked unathi came near the window asking for help, saying he was poisoned or something along those lines (not 100% sure on that), so i called for medical assistence over to cargo to deal with him. shortly after an single medic arrived and started treating him, the Unathi sprouted an arm blade and proceeded to attack the medic with it, breaking the medic's leg on the process. Witnessing that, as an security officer, i immediatly rushed to him and tasered him down while calling for backup, which the ling transformed me into another person during the trip to the brig, after seeing this i saw that he was the culprit behind the several clone crews walking around, and he was buckled in the interrogation chair while i waited for someone else to arrive to help me handle this, no one did, so i asked the ling if it wanted to make a deal.. it would return me into my original form in trade of being "misplaced" in maint. The ling agreed with that and proceeded to turn me back to normal which i honored with pushing him still cuffed and naked inside the security maint. Very shortly after that, i hear a call for help from the detective asking for help in that very same maint, i rushed inside and found the ling going towards the detective, while transformed into me. i tase/cuff him once again and brought him over to interrogation, buckled him and with me and the detective calling over assistence over at interrogation, other officers finally arrived to help decided what to do with it, while i tried to explain that thing wasen't normal and could shape shift and sprout sharp appendanges out from it's limbs. while we decided what to do with it, the ling decided to go in the regenerative mode and died in front of us, just to shortly ressurect, the HOS at the moment decided to implant it and while he was out to get the implants (this may be out of sequence, so again, feel free to correct me if any of this is wrong), i pressed my lit cigar on the ling's eye while it was trying to resist out of it's cuffs, which the watching cadets said it was a bit too brutal, even if done to a murderous immortal shapeshifting alien. anyway, the ling went ssd for a small bit after it got implanted and despite me saying it was a mistake, they decided to put him in xenobio, but since there were no xenobiologists on board, they settled for the communal brig area, shoved the ling inside and started feeding it human monkeys. Not surprisingly after a while, an officer was attacked by it, and it was thankfully disabled before it could do real damage. They put the ling in the solitary straight jacketed, which i though was a mistake, since it was a hostile and dangerous alien that the only thing which prevented us from officially executing him was some law about not being able to execute sentient beings, which i am not sure about the finer details of it, but that's what was told to me. anyway i've had decided to rid the station from the ling once and for all, considering that bureucracy was going to get someone killed. After convincing two officers to be on my side during this, i toss a flashbang inside the solitary cage and stun the ling with my baton after cuffing him, he paralyses me with some sort of sting and i get dragged out while it wore off, then again i get up, stun the ling again and gang harm baton him with the other officers. one of them had suggested that i cut it's head off, but with the lack of sharp weapons nearby, breaking every bone in it's body after bashing it's skull into a thin red mist was close enough. i decided to drag the ling to the command maint, since there was an easily accessible airlock leading to space, which then i took my internals out from my box, turned them on and braced for a very short EVA without a suit. (My RP logic for this was that space is huge, the ling was unable to escape it's straight jacket and it was pretty much neutralized, since in IC it got tossed out to an infinite void away from the station and in OOC logic that it would be unable to escape it's jackets+cuffs without getting critted by space beforehand) Anyway, after that stunt, i returned back to the station with only minor wounds from the exposure to vaccum which then i was promptly demoted, which i did not resist, albeit i did say they were making another mistake. Soon afterwards there was talk of another ling that was captured, i told them to kill it already to prevent the mistakes made on the first one but the HOS was talked out of it by Katana Silvers. Meanwhile i could smell the bullshit from the bar, even if i was demoted, i still had my duty to protect this station from itself, gathered some officers that agreed with me and pressured the HOS to go with the execution, the HOS locked himself with the ling and the HOP inside his office and i was not exactly sure at the moment what happened afterwards, but the HOP and the ling were dead when the door was opened. The HOS had decided to finally execute the ling after the death of the HOP and i suggested incineration due to the rising from the dead whole thing. HOS agreed with me and we all went towards the chapel, which then the ling was cremated and the station was saved, no time to celebrate though since the shuttle had arrived and we proceeded to board it and finish the shift normally. 2) This will be about the incident with Safiya and i will start by admitting that i was in the wrong about this one and i apologise to the_furry, but here it goes: I had started a wrestling club at the holodeck with a bunch of cadets while i was a bartender, since no one was really getting drunk at the bar and i had nothing better to do. Me and the cadets got drunk on some booze i had brought on the holodeck and all decided that it would be a great fucking idea to do like they do on TV and fight each other with stools, which we did, the pain being dulled by the strong alcohol till after severely wounding each other we all collapsed from our injuries, but i maneged to call for help before passing out. Medical team arrived and i was the first to be treated, got up and a still a bit tipsy, gave a swig to the closest cadet to help with the pain, since i didn't assume he was at death's door instead of just passed out from the pain of having several broken bones, before getting disarmed by Safiya and passing out soon after. Some time passes, and i die in medbay under circunstances that i don't exactly remember, but it was mostly the doctors just leaving me inside the sleeper without really doing anything about it. Got cloned and then i get put into cryo by some doctor soon after, and was forgotten about inside cryo, finally when i get out, i put on my jumpsuit and went check out the cloning room, since before i went dark after getting put in cryo, i had saw my personal belongings, including ID on the ground there, and asked Safiya if she could get me inside so i could recover them. She didn't let me inside and asked what stuff, which then i replied by pointing at the pile of clothing, armour and other misc objects in a pile next to the cloning scanner. Sayifa then said something along the lines of ''oh, that stuff?" then went inside the main genetics lab to grab a body bag. Assuming she was going to give them to me i just patiently waited outside till i just saw her put everything inside that bag, open the door to her lab and with a smirk, leave everything inside away from my reach. I asked what the hell is she doing with my things and she said "What things?" before heading on back inside, i asked for them back politely, which she ignored, then started asking her with considerably less politeness with each request, which she had ignored all so far. i went to some nearby security officers and said that Safiya was holding my personal belongings hostage and refusing to give them back, which the officers just ignored despite it happening 7 meters away from them. Angry at this lack of action from the officers and Safiya holding things including my ID hostage with no visible way she was going to return them to me, i went inside the surgery room and grabbed an scapel before getting subdued and arrested by those 2 same officers that i had asked for help. after that, i don't really recall exactly what happened in the brig, but they let me go soon after without removing the scapel from my pockets and still ignoring me saying why i did that, went to my bar and guzzled down a bottle of whiskey before just deciding to do justice by myself, got outside and walked towards the library, which then i found Safiya walking down the hallway, with 2 officers and a medic robot nearby. I then took the bottle of whisky that i had on my pocket and smashed it over her head in full view of the security officers, and i lit her on fire with a lighter, since the high alcohol content on the whisky made an already flammable fur even more so. Got a few stabs in with the bottle before getting subdued by the nearby officers and Sayifa herself that had an syringe gun filled with sleep toxin. (not that i am defending what i did here, becouse i am not, just explaining what happened from my point of view, but my intent was to maim rather than kill, considering she was nearby 2 security officers and a medical bot). Got brought in the brig again and detained till the shuttle arrived, which was very shortly after, they put me in the shuttle brig and i stayed there till the shuttle docked in the Odin(or that's atleast what i remember). Apologies to Safiya. Link to comment
Eliot Clef Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 -snip- 1) As for the first ling incident, from my point of view, it all started like this: i was in the QM's office ( Stephiee ) for some pizza, since she had invited me there to eat and i was just out from a somewhat shoody surgery which i lost considerable amounts of blood in, so the pizza would help me gain some of it back. We were chatting and eating when some naked unathi came near the window asking for help, saying he was poisoned or something along those lines (not 100% sure on that), so i called for medical assistence over to cargo to deal with him. shortly after an single medic arrived and started treating him, the Unathi sprouted an arm blade and proceeded to attack the medic with it, breaking the medic's leg on the process. Witnessing that, as an security officer, i immediatly rushed to him and tasered him down while calling for backup, which the ling transformed me into another person during the trip to the brig, after seeing this i saw that he was the culprit behind the several clone crews walking around, and he was buckled in the interrogation chair while i waited for someone else to arrive to help me handle this, no one did, so i asked the ling if it wanted to make a deal.. it would return me into my original form in trade of being "misplaced" in maint. The ling agreed with that and proceeded to turn me back to normal which i honored with pushing him still cuffed and naked inside the security maint. The start of this story isn't great. Crooked cops aren't unheard of, but combined with the rest of your actions this is kind of inconsistent. You're willing to make deals with murderous monsters to let them loose in exchange for your appearance, but also are so duty-bound you're willing to go against orders to beat a contained creature to death, drag it out into space with no suit on, and throw it? Very shortly after that, i hear a call for help from the detective asking for help in that very same maint, i rushed inside and found the ling going towards the detective, while transformed into me. i tase/cuff him once again and brought him over to interrogation, buckled him and with me and the detective calling over assistence over at interrogation, other officers finally arrived to help decided what to do with it, while i tried to explain that thing wasen't normal and could shape shift and sprout sharp appendanges out from it's limbs. while we decided what to do with it, the ling decided to go in the regenerative mode and died in front of us, just to shortly ressurect, the HOS at the moment decided to implant it and while he was out to get the implants (this may be out of sequence, so again, feel free to correct me if any of this is wrong), i pressed my lit cigar on the ling's eye while it was trying to resist out of it's cuffs, which the watching cadets said it was a bit too brutal, even if done to a murderous immortal shapeshifting alien. anyway, the ling went ssd for a small bit after it got implanted and despite me saying it was a mistake, they decided to put him in xenobio, but since there were no xenobiologists on board, they settled for the communal brig area, shoved the ling inside and started feeding it human monkeys. Not surprisingly after a while, an officer was attacked by it, and it was thankfully disabled before it could do real damage. They put the ling in the solitary straight jacketed, which i though was a mistake, since it was a hostile and dangerous alien that the only thing which prevented us from officially executing him was some law about not being able to execute sentient beings, which i am not sure about the finer details of it, but that's what was told to me. anyway i've had decided to rid the station from the ling once and for all, considering that bureucracy was going to get someone killed. From an IC perspective, this is actually fairly surprising. We had no basis on which to expect the loyalty implant to fail, and it was cooperative for a time after being implanted. To answer your confusion: The station is bound to Biesel Law, which does not permit execution as a punishment under ordinary circumstances. This changeling was eventually sufficiently problematic that killing it was justified, and your later demotion wasn't a result of killing it but because you were willing to take actions that were a danger to yourself and others. If you (or the others) merely killed it, then there would have been no problem. (Actually, I intended to demote you anyway for burning its eyes with a cigarette, but I kind of forgot about that in the chaos.) After convincing two officers to be on my side during this, i toss a flashbang inside the solitary cage and stun the ling with my baton after cuffing him, he paralyses me with some sort of sting and i get dragged out while it wore off, then again i get up, stun the ling again and gang harm baton him with the other officers. one of them had suggested that i cut it's head off, but with the lack of sharp weapons nearby, breaking every bone in it's body after bashing it's skull into a thin red mist was close enough. i decided to drag the ling to the command maint, since there was an easily accessible airlock leading to space, which then i took my internals out from my box, turned them on and braced for a very short EVA without a suit. (My RP logic for this was that space is huge, the ling was unable to escape it's straight jacket and it was pretty much neutralized, since in IC it got tossed out to an infinite void away from the station and in OOC logic that it would be unable to escape it's jackets+cuffs without getting critted by space beforehand) Yeah. This is why you got demoted. A quick addendum: I'm also aware that you were harassing Engineering for a fire axe at some point during all of this, because Katana Silvers was filling me in on it as we went. Anyway, after that stunt, i returned back to the station with only minor wounds from the exposure to vaccum which then i was promptly demoted, which i did not resist, albeit i did say they were making another mistake. Soon afterwards there was talk of another ling that was captured, i told them to kill it already to prevent the mistakes made on the first one but the HOS was talked out of it by Katana Silvers. Meanwhile i could smell the bullshit from the bar, even if i was demoted, i still had my duty to protect this station from itself, gathered some officers that agreed with me and pressured the HOS to go with the execution, the HOS locked himself with the ling and the HOP inside his office and i was not exactly sure at the moment what happened afterwards, but the HOP and the ling were dead when the door was opened. The HOS had decided to finally execute the ling after the death of the HOP and i suggested incineration due to the rising from the dead whole thing. HOS agreed with me and we all went towards the chapel, which then the ling was cremated and the station was saved, no time to celebrate though since the shuttle had arrived and we proceeded to board it and finish the shift normally. As previously mentioned, executions are not actually legal in Aurora's space. The second ling was killed because it became clear throughout the shift that: 1) Loyalty Implants do not work, so they cannot be made to cooperate. 2) They only require proximity to inflict damage, temporarily incapacitate, silence, or outright kill non-synthetics. 3) The second one we had apprehended killed someone while fully secured simply because they were standing too close while we discussed how to deal with it. Additionally, I think it bears mentioning that your equipment after being demoted was a stool, against a creature you knew to be capable of incapacitating you while restrained, turning limbs into bladed weapons, etc. Previously you were sufficiently self-interested to trade the creature freedom for your appearance. I'm not going to comment on the rest of your post, as you've already admitted you pretty much acted wrongly there. Link to comment
UnknownMurder Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Alright. Rin (PootisManiac) Just had gotten off of her ban. She becomes a Security Officer. Seems like she didn't learn anything while her ban were in effect and the troubles everyone went. Link to comment
Killerhurtz Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Just dropping in to say something: During an OFFICIAL, CANON event, PootisManiac was ALSO found making heinous food and poisoning VIPs. Link to comment
Owen Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Just dropping in to say something: During an OFFICIAL, CANON event, PootisManiac was ALSO found making heinous food and poisoning VIPs. Ahh yes, I was the CCIA during that round and she did indeed make burned food and poison food as a Security Officer who hopped the counter. She was slightly dealt with in IC. (Basically me throwing her out and having her demoted) One of the VIPs were sent to Medbay because they became sick. Link to comment
Shadow Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 PootisManiac received a permanent security ban, we'll watch them, if they don't change their attitude, there will be a severe punishment, like a server ban. Stephieee received a 3 day server ban. Locking and archiving, Link to comment
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