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Bring back head of staff alt titles


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Maybe this isn't bringing back so much as adding, but I've been on servers before where you had options, such as...


Captain/Station Administrator

Head of Security/Security Commander

Head of Personnel/Human Resources Director


It would be nice if you had that option, because right now the only way to accomplish it is to give yourself a custom title, which relegates you automatically to the 'Misc" category on the employee manifest.

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I'll make the pull request into development branch for it, it's up to Skull if he wants to merge it from there. You all have to also note that this is just an "alternative" title so it doesn't mean heads of staff are forced to use it. If it is confusing newer players they should check the crew manifest more often to see who is in the command positions. On another note, I have finished this and am making the pull request now.

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For CMO, i've always liked


Chief of Staff

Chief of Medicine

Dean of Medicine

The first doesn't describe the CMO whatsoever and sounds like a really generic title for the HoP or Captain.

Second is.. What's the difference?

Third doesn't really work at all because this isn't a university, even if you go by the "Leader/senior member" definition it is still most readily associated with universities.


Alt titles work best when they complement the themes of the other ones, ex:

Medical Director

Chief Science Officer

Chief Security Officer

etc. etc.

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Guest Marlon Phoenix

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I already made a chart! Look how nice and standardized it is! Including alternate titles would mean I have to make the chart different! :(

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I already made a chart! Look how nice and standardized it is! Including alternate titles would mean I have to make the chart different! :(

 

Wow that's the dumbest reason I've heard yet not to do it. The chart can be changed, or you can write off the alt titles as just the same thing with a different name. Personally I prefer Security Commander to Head of Security.

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Guest Marlon Phoenix

well if you want me to fully articulate my reasononings


Command is good when it is standardized, this change brings extremely little "roleplay value" we're throwing around as a term. It's a very vague term, what does it mean? It's better to have these roles standardized because you should see them or hear them and immediately understand who they are, what their role is, etc. It's a simple, standardized system. You know who the Captain is at a glance, and his authority. Same for HoP, CMO. You even immedaitely know the shorthand for them.


CoS, SA, DoM, these are new titles that we have to adjust to, and the reasoning doesn't ... seem very... substantial. you are my captain, and i immediately know what that means. you are my administrator... ????? so you're the HoP?

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well if you want me to fully articulate my reasononings


Command is good when it is standardized, this change brings extremely little "roleplay value" we're throwing around as a term. It's a very vague term, what does it mean? It's better to have these roles standardized because you should see them or hear them and immediately understand who they are, what their role is, etc. It's a simple, standardized system. You know who the Captain is at a glance, and his authority. Same for HoP, CMO. You even immedaitely know the shorthand for them.


CoS, SA, DoM, these are new titles that we have to adjust to, and the reasoning doesn't ... seem very... substantial. you are my captain, and i immediately know what that means. you are my administrator... ????? so you're the HoP?

 


Personally, I see the whole HoS/HoP thing people do in game as an unavoidable evil, and I think that if you introduce the alternate titles people will quickly catch onto it. I prefer to call people by their last name, or a fully spelled out "Personnel Head" or "Security Commander". I always imagine people saying HOSS and HAWP when they abbreviate that, and it looks stupid to me. It's the "of" in their title's that is awful and clunky. It's like saying someone is the MANAGER OF DISTRICT (MOD) or CHIEF OFFICER OF EXECUTIVES (COOE). And the difference between a Captain and a Station Administrator is that Captain has a more military tone to it than the alternative. This isn't an exploration vessel or a battleship, it's a research station. There should be room for non-military top ranks.

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Guest Complete Garbage
"Security Commander"


Thats still the silliest name you could come up with for the HoS it makes it seem like he outranks the captain.

 

US Navy:

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Captain>Commander

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"Security Commander"


Thats still the silliest name you could come up with for the HoS it makes it seem like he outranks the captain.

 

It only seems like that if you think of it that way. otherwise nothing changes and the people who want to use the alt title may.

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'Commander' is also a job title you'll never find in a corporate setting, so unless we're moving to a Navy it'll fit even less in than Captain. Especially since, if there was a 'Commander', you'd require a strict hierarchy among the command structure where the Commander will always take over in the Captain's absence.


In short, HoS pls stop trying to be Star Trek/Mass Effect this is a fucking corporate laboratory not a warship.

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'Commander' is also a job title you'll never find in a corporate setting, so unless we're moving to a Navy it'll fit even less in than Captain. Especially since, if there was a 'Commander', you'd require a strict hierarchy among the command structure where the Commander will always take over in the Captain's absence.


In short, HoS pls stop trying to be Star Trek/Mass Effect this is a fucking corporate laboratory not a warship.

 

... They already do pretty much have precedence during emergencies, sooo. I don't see the argument.

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'Commander' is also a job title you'll never find in a corporate setting, so unless we're moving to a Navy it'll fit even less in than Captain. Especially since, if there was a 'Commander', you'd require a strict hierarchy among the command structure where the Commander will always take over in the Captain's absence.


In short, HoS pls stop trying to be Star Trek/Mass Effect this is a fucking corporate laboratory not a warship.

 

... They already do pretty much have precedence during emergencies, sooo. I don't see the argument.

Okay, let me use simple terms.


A Commander works in a Navy, on a Ship, for a Government.

The Head of Security works in a Private Security Department, on a Station, for a Corporation.

The Head of Security is not a naval officer.


This is a Head of Security.

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This is a Commander.

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@Carver

I don't know what is the purpose of the pictures. Take it away. You make Commander too good than Head of Security with the pictures. You contradict yourself.

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TURN 'EM OFF!

 

Personally, I have no care for the ALT-Titles as long as they do not (and will not) affect the change or influence the roleplay and Chain of Command.

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Commander: Military

Head of Security: Corporate

Commander: Military

Head of Security: Corporate

Commander: Military

Head of Security: Corporate

Commander: Military

Head of Security: Corporate


Do we understand this now? "Security Commander" is not something that will stick easily. It's a nickname given to most heads of security with history dating back to D2K5 and Baystation. It's generally inaccurate, it's basically along the same lines of calling a Native American an Indian, it's just incorrect vernacular that people in the past made a habit out of using.


The only people that would be called "Commander" in the NT ranks would be those in the Fleet Security Force. FSF is a far cry away from Internal Station Security. Even then it doesn't matter as it has no bearing on the focus of our setting, which is the station-level.

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I already made a chart! Look how nice and standardized it is! Including alternate titles would mean I have to make the chart different! :(

 

I don't think there should be alt titles to preserve the sanctity of this excellent chart.


But seriously, I don't see the point in an alt title for the exact same job position. When a Station Engineer/Scientist/Doctor uses a different job title, it's because it describes a completely different role or job description. It's going to cause a lot of confusion for players that are familiar with the current descriptions.


There's no reason why you can't add a "Job title change" form to the request console if people care about it enough, otherwise it's a pointless and slightly damaging change IMHO.

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Commander: Military

Head of Security: Corporate

 

You say this, but Commander sticks


Calling someone Head just sounds stupid.

Writing acronyms in what's supposed to be a representation of spoken words, seems even moreso.

And nobody types out the full title most of the time.


'Head of Security' just plain does not work. If you don't want people to use commander, suggest a third option

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I see no reason to change the head of staff names.


They're corporate bosses, not naval commanders. The only change I think we should do is to change Captain to something more appropriate, like Overseer or Station Administrator.

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Frankly, I suppose Security Commander, Station Administrator, and Human Resources Director, more than Head of Security, Captain, and Head of Personnel. The security team is essentially a small private army thinly disguised as a 'security force', given their access to military class gear like tactical armor and laser carbines, tendency towards being ex military, and penchant for suicidically heroically leaping to the defense of the station at the expense of the lives of themselves and nearby civilians.

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