CampinKiller

Alright, having seen you play more and not having any LRP issues in that time, I'm willing to lift the ban.

Hi, I’m handling this since read is gone on an extended absence. While I can appreciate that you have owned the past and gotten more into HRP, you’ve only played 7 rounds since your ban. I’d like to see you play some and not have LRP incidents before unbanning you from antag. I’m not really going to set a timeframe but if you played without having LRP issues for a couple of weeks I’d be more open to lifting it. For now though, appeal denied.

I don’t believe it is unsubstantiated. There was either a grossly negligent level of miscommunication here with lain, or it was intentional. Neither of which are acceptable from a command whitelisted player. Your past history may not be precisely within this issue, so to speak, but it is a consideration when it comes to either just warning you or taking your whitelist. I also take issue with saying that myself and Matt have taken “intentionally negative” readings of your actions. I have absolutely no issues with you as a player, and I do not particularly enjoy being accused of essentially targeting you (for whatever reason?)

After discussing this with Owen, this is what we've decided: As Arrow said, the length of time this has been a thing is not an issue. We are not omniscient and can only handle issues as we notice them, or they are brought to our attention. This has been true for as long as the server's existed: I was once warned for taking a pistol out of the armory at round start and the argument that I had been doing so for months prior didn't hold any weight for the same reasoning. The SCC has no issue in promoting people who have the ability and record to command positions, just look at the number of Solarian heads of staff that are patriots or otherwise supportive of Sol. The issue here is not being a Solarian "patriot" or even having a previous affiliation with the SSMD. It is that you are openly displaying continued affiliation and support of a faction that quite literally raided and attacked Biesel ships and territory, in the name of being anti-corporate. The SCC would not permit a head of staff to do that, they have higher standards for their command staff. This is something we checked with lore team management (since they oversee megacorp lore), and was confirmed. Someone wearing a flagpatch of, say, Sol, Himeo, etc. is different because generally they are not in command staff, and those that do wear them are wearing a nation's or planet's flag as opposed to a group that is outright anti-corporate. The other example you cited, Grupo Amapola, is under the PMCG, so they have reason to be wearing their hats as an SCC member corporation. We're not asking you to give up your character's principles or anything of the sort, at the end of the day you were told that the SCC would not allow an anti-corporate patch to be worn by a head of staff on their flagship. The outward display of anti-corporate sentiment is the issue. Your character can be patriotic, proud of her service, even lean anti-corporate, and none of that has anything to do with a flagpatch. In summary, we don't see any issue with what matt decided here. As to your question about the reconstruction mandates, that's something I'll discuss with human lore and lore team management, but I would advise you to not wear one without having it clarified first, if they are added in the future. If there's nothing else, this will be locked in 24 hours.

I will be handling this with @Owen

I have unbanned you, because I do believe you realize you fucked up and it wasn't the worst offense. Just please keep in mind that things should be kept PG-13, even in (L)OOC

Since a couple people who are tangentially involved at best have been posting here, please only post if you are involved. Seeing someone once or twice anecdotally without round IDs is not being involved. If you still think you might be involved, message bear and ask for permission to post, but this is not a public thread for feedback and the peanut gallery

Sorry for the delay, I've been travelling. I'll unban you from those three jobs, you can apply for an unban for medical doctor at a later date if you so wish.

This is a misleading statement, as the antag clearly communicated to you that the radio was on and what you should say. You cannot claim to have not known it was going to go over the radio when they had quite obviously turned the microphone on. And again, even if we want to say it going out on the radio wasn't the intention, you were still faced with following a simple request or decapitation, and you chose decapitation, which I do not find to be a rational choice in that situation. You further provoked them after your radio message, calling them a terrorist, and stating that their instructions were "idiotic." None of that seems like something a rational person in this position should be doing to someone who has the means to (and threatened) to kill them. That was not taken out of context. Part of your justification in the ticket was that your character made a rational choice to have their head lopped off instead of someone else potentially getting hurt. I called attention to it because I do not find that to be a valid argument in this situation. The times where someone would rationally and willingly accept their own death like that are few and far between, and this is not one of them.

I watched the entire interaction and I don't recall if the antag said they would kill Janse if she failed to kill Huizhong or just that they would do it themselves if she failed. It doesn't really have much bearing on the issue in my view. Your statement was clearly intended to draw attention to what was going on (as you confirmed in dchat by expressing shock that nobody reacted to it) and also followed the antag explicitly saying that your head would be removed if you did anything other than call the commander to your office. As I said in the ticket, I did not expect you to follow through with their demands to kill Huizhong, but you were at the mercy of the antag and they clearly expressed the means and motive to kill you if you did not do a simple task in that moment. You chose to believe that they were bluffing, which I don't think any reasonable person would do in that moment. In fact, you explicity said this in the ticket: There is not any rational decision for someone that ends in their immediate decapitation. It really crosses the line of what a reasonable and believable person would do in that situation. You are a consular on a ship, not someone in a spy flick, so the idea that you would rationally decide to be decapitated is bizarre. Even setting that aside, command whitelisted players are expected to not immediately shut down an antagonist's gimmick in normal situations, and this essentially did so. There were a million different ways for that to end that didn't result in your immediate death and also completely ending the antag's gimmick less than 5 minutes after it started. At no point did I say your RP was poor. I'm not sure where this is coming from.

The context doesn't really matter, there's no tolerance for comments of that nature, especially considering there are children who play this game. It is very uncomfortable regardless though. Our normal escalation of bans goes from 1 day>3 days>7 days>permanent. I had considered making this a week ban, but it was going to be your fourth ban in as many weeks; you also had two 3 day bans in a 3 week period, so given the severity of it, I decided to go with a permanent ban. I recognize that you're taking responsibility and realize it shouldn't have been said, but I'm going to deny this. You may make another in a month.

Sorry for the delay, your application is accepted

I will unban you, please ensure you are familiar with the rules before playing again.

Your old account was banned for violating the server's ERP rules and you are a serial ban evader. Appeal denied.

On trial thru 20FEB

I've considered this for a bit (and been delayed by the holiday). Ultimately it is hard for me to believe that you are genuine when your initial response was to go to the discord and say that being banned for this was stupid and "I was permabanned for slurs lol, lmao." Appeal denied

It is not. This would be like saying you have a dominian primary edict breaker who is on the ship, even though it's mechanically impossible to play that. You left out the order preceding this in which you were told to not be there, yet continued to remain until almost being shot, apparently. You were an off-duty, unarmed G2 that was ordered to not be there, remained until you were shot at and then told to not move. In my opinion saying that you were "ordered" to remain there after you were quite clearly told to not is bad faith, as you should not have been there. Yes, the crew armory was opened, but you were unarmed. The Captain told everyone to not be on deck 3 medical, yet you remained or otherwise went up there after the order. I will grant that perhaps you missed the message on Common, but the fact of the matter is that you had no legitimate reason to be there after being ordered not to, then inserted yourself into the situation. You are claiming that you were only there to defend the captain, yet had no method of doing so, and are simultaneously claiming that you did not know they were hostile as they stood there firing at crewmembers. Standing there and demanding the identification of armed, obviously hostile persons as an unarmed off-duty crewmember is questionable at best and a blatant disregard of self-preservation rules at worst. I will be upholding the ruling. Locking and archiving.

I have a few questions/comments for now, and ask that responses are kept brief - making incredibly long-winded posts just makes it more difficult for this to be resolved. @Owen I asked you this in the staff discord, but want you to reply here for full disclosure, the original ahelp mentioned that @Fluffy was trying to slip the antags on soap, and this doesn't appear to have been addressed in the ticket. To start off, this is not relevant, considering G2s are not allowed to be security officers. They are not an off-duty officer, because they cannot be an officer. The below information is also not relevant for the same reasoning. While your character may not be frail and unarmored, but they were certainly unarmed. Looking at the logs, I see no indication that CL was ordered to remain in the third deck of medical by the captain. In fact, they specifically said to remain out less than 3 minutes before the gunfire started again: [2023-12-26 03:49:31.101] crs-ad6Y SAY: *******/(Michiko Kirishima) : (Ceti Basic) <b>Stay out of third deck medical boarders!</b> Regarding the "order" to remain, I am not sure who the captain was speaking to at this point, but it was certainly not an order to stay in the dangerous area, but to not expose oneself. They then called an incoming assault. [2023-12-26 03:51:06.039] crs-ad6Y SAY: ********/(Michiko Kirishima) : (Ceti Basic) I took a shot for you fucking idiot, stay here dont move. [2023-12-26 03:52:14.494] crs-ad6Y SAY: ********/(Michiko Kirishima) : (Ceti Basic) Incoming assault third deck medical. Yet after these things is when CL begins to question the raiders as to their identification, multiple times, despite ongoing hostilities. While at that point you may have been outside medical, the question I have for you is why were you there in the first place? I am struggling to see a legitimate reason for an off-duty and unarmed G2 to have remained in the area despite orders to the contrary and the presence of hostiles. Additionally, I find it hard to believe you were not aware of the vaurca being hostile when you greeted the captain in medical, and not 2 minutes later they said this: [2023-12-26 03:45:29.942] crs-ad6Y SAY: *********/(Michiko Kirishima) : (Ceti Basic) <b>do not engage the vaurca</b> - and for the love of god dont approach them unarmed. While I understand the round was chaotic, as I was playing it, it seems to me there were multiple indications of who the hostiles were that were ignored.

I will handle this

I'm willing to unban you since you've taken the time to read the rules and understand that this is an hrp server. Please also do not treat staff PMs as a joke.

Hi, sorry for the delay. We took a look at everything and have come to a decision. The AI did declare it to be sabotage immediately, so it is hard to blame @SatinsPristOTD for then calling it sabotage. The main issue that we saw in the logs, though, was that the XO then used their prior (non-canon and therefore OOC) knowledge of INDRA explosions to "back up" that the explosion was sabotage simply from looking on cameras. That said, we will leave the warning in place but adjust the verbiage, as we do not believe there was harm in the initial claim of sabotage, given the AI had stated it prior, but rather the continuation of the claim via metagaming knowledge of the INDRA and how it explodes from previous non-canon incidents. To clear up a few things as well: Something that would cause massive damage and disable/destroy a large portion of the ship, like the SM delaminating or ammunition storage exploding, is not canon. Common sense could be applied here - if the incident in question could've potentially caused great loss of life/limb/property, it's probably not canon. Additionally, you cannot use degrees that are not related to your job to claim knowledge of something that would be way outside of your job description, such as reactor sabotage as an XO. Otherwise we would have security officers who tried to claim they knew surgery to treat other officers, or electrical engineering to hack into places. If there's nothing else, this will be locked and archived in 24 hours.

People sitting on surgery and then ganking people through the walls is an admin issue and should be ahelped. The ability was nerfed awhile back to where it required you to be within a certain range (normal viewing range), though it does still work through walls

Hi, me and @Lmwevil will be handling this complaint. @Roostercat please post your side when you have a chance

Not a fan of this suggestion. I think the event captain thing is overblown, and locking the most important position in the round behind some arbitrary decision, or whoever messages admins first.

I think that my breadth of skills and ideas is what I'd bring to the table as deputy. I work very well within a team, as I think can be seen in my tenure as moderation staff so far, and am very open to compromise, feedback, etc. While I do not have experience in lore writing, I still have a strong writing foundation with which to build off of and learn. Additionally, I have experience coding and mapping for the server, and would be able to assist in preparing maps for events or even just adding more human lore representation in game, such as flags, cultural items, etc. I've got several ideas that do not involve Sol. For starters, I would like to expand the lore regarding off-worlders, giving a better idea of what their biology is like, more unique medical challenges they have, etc. from living in space for generations. Additionally, adding more notable off-worlder communities, or expanding on current ones is something that I'd be interested in doing. I think the Scarab Fleet could use a smaller arc as well, as I don't believe they've ever been involved in an arc. I think there's some expansion that can be done in several other areas of human lore as well. The three planets I listed in response to Danse - Gadpathur, Novi Jadran, and Bursa - all could use a rework (in the case of Gadpathur) or expansion in the cases of Novi Jadran and Bursa, since neither have pages despite being significant planets. Regarding the latter two, my ideas would mainly be focused on expanding the short blurbs on them that exist currently, adding more about culture, life on those planets, notable settlements, etc. Gadpathur is something that I'd like to see become less monolithic. I don't want to completely rewrite the planet or anything, but I think it is a bit odd that there's essentially no minority that's like, "hey, why are we still being ruled with an iron fist 150 years later?" On the geopolitical side of things, I'd like to see some of the differences and conflicts between other nations shown. Elyra and Dominia, for example, haven't had diplomatic relations since the Dreary Futures arc. I'd like to see these two nations get an arc that eventually results in their restoration of relations, albeit potentially after a standoff or tensions of some variety. I'd also like to see the lack of cohesion in the CoC showcased, with planets on different sides of issues having some minor spats, which I think could be a possibility with the recent expansion of Biesel. Speaking of the Coalition, I know I mentioned it in my application, but it bears mentioning again that I would like to see some concrete lore on the function of the Coalition military as a whole when it's called upon. I would think it would probably work similar to how NATO works, and it's a relatively minor thing, but something that would be nice to add. Finally, (though this would include Sol I suppose), I'd like to add human sports lore, with national/interstellar events, leagues, etc., as part of worldbuilding in human lore. Perhaps a continuation of the Olympics, or just something more futuristic as well, but I think it'd be an interesting thing to add. While I don't have much experience with creative writing, I have done a lot of writing over the years, and I feel that would help as I become more experienced with the creative writing process. I have done some creative writing in the past, and while not at the scale or depth of writing lore, I think this past experience would be beneficial in getting me up to speed quickly. Another strength of mine is that I have good grammar, so I will be improving my creative writing skills from a solid foundation. I also put a lot of consideration into what I am going to write before I actually start writing it, which gives me an opportunity to explore different directions that I could go in writing something before actually doing so, which helps me avoid needing to do massive re-writes. I'm also very good about proofreading my own writing, which also helps to keep me from having to spend a lot of time fixing mistakes. I can understand the concern, and it is a valid concern to have. That said, while I am an admin, it is completely separate from lore. In fact, as an administrator I can see all the lore channels and participate in them, so the only difference would be that I would be able to write lore officially. Alb and Matt have both been in this position and I do not recall there being any issues with Matt's former tenure in all 3 staff areas (maintainer/lore/admin) or Alb's ongoing tenure in the same areas.