Zyrus

For what it is, this server is pretty good. Even with my issues with the way the AI was effectively ruined for me, the staff here do a good job of maintaining things generally. Nice to meet you.

So, was the lawset ever actually changed here? Doing my bi-yearly check in to see if the AI has been un-neutered to be playable.

If people don't want to learn the systems as an engineer, what makes you think they'll want to learn the systems as a drone? This is just deflecting the issue with a thinly veiled 'git gud scrub' feel to it. People will roleplay what they want to RP. Trying to force them to RP your way is what drives people off server, and hearing that staff seem to have written off lowpop is just another reason for me to continue to stay away.

Ah, I thought I hit multiqoute. I agree with the sentiment and stand by what I said though.

Someone called you out on minimizing me, so now you're backpedaling? Yeah, I don't miss this bullshit. I might not like the way the 'main' servers are a joke in general, but this servers general ridiculous aversion to a bit of blood is just as bad. At least you can have fun with the mechanics on those 'joke' servers. Meanwhile, if you send a murder golem out into the main hallways to grab people for cult conversion, more than likely you're getting ahelped here.

What's your point? It's still a relevant topic, and I had something to say. Maybe this will help change things for the better and get me to try the server again.

I have a variety of reasons I stopped playing here regularly, but this was chief among them. After trying my hand at antag a few times, I eventually realized that staff were trying to force me to Edgar Allan Poe at people before I did any violence or did actions, and then when I came back to check on changes months later, I found out that yet more tools for antag were removed and the AI was being shoehorned with lawsets to protect everything on the station. People who want to play just another day on a space station can vote for extended, and I had no problem with that. I drew the line at making me dialogue at people in secret when you never know of security is gonna validhunt you. RP should come naturally for your gimmick, not at the whims of another (staff, in this case). There is nothing wrong with a round turning into a chaotic bloodbath if that's what happens, but there was way too much pushback from staff and players, and treading on eggshells is not my idea of a fun roleplay experience, especially when a couple of the mode mechanics literally need you to grind towards your big guns, as it were.

I can be standoffish when it comes to opinions OOC, but that doesn't affect me IC. Everyone here can be accused of being guilty of being opinionated at one point. Lack of feedback for the last few days is due to RL getting my time. I've been playing again.

I've been around a couple rounds each day, but given no one is willing to vouch for me yet again (I can't say I blame anyone, this community seems to be fairly established and few willing to talk outside their cliches), you're going to be waiting a while for that.

So, to be clear. Is this removing the round start exosuit, or the ability for an AI player to pilot an exosuit in general? Can we still ask robotics to create one for us?

It isn't going to work. The spare is low risk high reward, and there's very little reason not to go for it ASAP. Put obstacles in front of it, and the antag player will just work around them.

You're laser focused on one potentially abusable aspect so much you're ignoring all the rest, and using that as an excuse to neuter the AI even more. Do we remove the Captain next for having the authority to borg criminals?

Completely disagree, and have no idea where this mindset comes from. Just because you like to shoehorn the role into such, doesn't make it the correct approach. Making the AI a glorified observer is the height of hilarity, especially since you just gave a potent argument for keeping the round start exosuit; support. Keeping it allows the AI player to directly support a round.

This mindset is bullshit and wrong. Cult members are protected by Laws, as they are crew members. If you are attacking crew with mechs, you are violating your Laws.

As an AI player, I'm getting completely sick of the mechanical nerfs just because some AI players are ignorant or validhunting. If you want to punish a mindset, do it to the offenders. I use the mech for support as it was intended. If you want to make the mech combat incapable, then strip it down to the frame or something, but don't remove it. We are already a joke in a round in most respects after the bolting removal. This is just making it worse.

What's the word on making this official?

BYOND key: Zyrus0 Character names: Adrian Holmes: Paramedic. Cypher Paiyo: Atmos Tech Ezekiel Nasir: Security Officer. Tyler Sirek, Roboticist. Desmond Methews: Shaft Miner. Javier MacLean: Rhetoric/VOID Jack Carlson: Captain-potential. Jeffrey Koren: HoP-potential, eventually Scott Radu: Cargo Tech/Quartermaster Paxton Riker: CSI Christopher Barboza: Chemist Kale Weeter: Surgeon-to-be How long have you been playing on Aurora?: On and off for almost a year. Why do you wish to be on the whitelist?: Because I think I can do well with coordinating players and making rounds fun for the other players. I have a leadership oriented personality and try to maintain HRP. Why did you come to Aurora?: I server hopped a lot during my first week, but most of them I came across had no concept of immersion or context. I'm not against killing as an antag, but I am against pure murder from the start of the round without even an attempt at a story, and Aurora seems to fit that mentality. Have you read the Aurora wiki on the head roles and qualifications you plan on playing?: I read the wiki a LOT, and still reference it for a lot of things. Have you received any administrative actions? And how serious were they? A couple warnings about changeling and vampire play. I tend to react without talking if I see an opportunity to advance an antag agenda, and I'm working on that. Please provide well articulated answers to the following questions in a paragraph each. Give a definition of what you think roleplay is, and should be about: Roleplaying is a collaborative narrative experience designed for escape out of ourselves to step into the shoes of other characters for a while. This can mean many things to many people, but at it's core is fulfilling an escapist desire. The point of any of this is to have fun not being ourselves, and I think Aurora accomplishes that well enough that I want to stick around. Sometimes, we just want to play a shaft miner and keep out of the troubles of the station. Sometimes, you want to play an engineer and find solutions to problems in creative ways. What do you think the OOC purpose of a Head of Staff is, ingame?: Coordination of IC actions and consequences, and making sure things run smoothly and in a fun manner. If there are new players, make sure they get instruction (if possible) so they can integrate into the community, . It's your job to make sure your department is having fun, and that players aren't left out of the loop if at all possible. What do you think the OOC responsibilities of Whitelisted players are to other players, and how would you strive to uphold them?: Ensure a round runs smoothly for your department if at all possible. Mentor new players to the best of my abilities. Give the narrative a chance to unfold without trying to shut things down with OOC knowledge. Killing has a place in stories, but mass murder because you can? Those sorts of stories tend to just devolve. That being said, it's our job to maintain crew cohesion, and deal with rogue elements who refuse to follow IC legal commands. Could you give us the gist of what is currently happening in Tau ceti and how it affected your character and their career? I've been reading the lore on the wiki slowly but steadily, and have recently participated in a couple events. I am not aware of recent history though, as there no sections for that on the wiki. Point me to a source for it, and I will be happy to read it. What roles do you plan on playing after the application is accepted? Head of Security and Captain. Characters you intend to use for command or have created for command. Include the job they will be taking.: Ezekiel Nasir for Head of Security. Jack Carlson for Captain. How would you rate your own roleplaying?: I've been roleplaying on and off in various mediums, games, and tabletops for about fifteen years now. I've run tabletops, played as a character on tabletops, and played on persistent roleplay servers in the past for years without serious issues (excepting the trolls that just try to burn everything around them). So far this server seems fairly stable, and I am happy to bring my own experiences and time to making a fun collaborative experience for both myself and others. In short, I think my roleplaying is fairly good, once I've settled to a new place. Do you understand your whitelist is not permanent, and may be stripped following continuous administrative action? I am very aware, and would expect such if I screw up badly. I am not perfect. I'm a fast learner, but I am not perfect. Have you familiarize yourself with the wiki pages for the command roles? I've read them. I'm fairly good about communication, so I think I'd do well with it. Extra notes: I'm just about a year old to Byond and SS13 in general now, and returning to Aurora after a couple months hiatus, but I bring a wealth of experience from other mediums and I'm a quick learner.

This is a HRP, not a LRP powergaming server. There are players (like me) that enjoy playing humanlike AIs, and would be very angry if it was removed just because powergamey whiners don't like that their gimmick was found out early.

I love everything about this. It never, ever makes sense that someone can't leave the station. Even malf AIs can get carded and disappear somewhere.

I'd actually love something like this put in for sure. Please finish it.

That sounds more like a player problem than a Law problem. Make it clear on the wiki this is expected. Problem solved.

Yeah, you're basing this solely off your own opinion that the laws are somehow taken as OOC. They're not. This just makes it weird.

What is this, nerf everything month? Just because someone is playing a thing terribly, does not make the race itself terrible. We have whitelists for a reason. If someone is being stupid, review it.

You didn't, but there was an implication. I apologize for the mistake. Anyway, my point stands.

You can accomplish the same thing in a less efficient manner by having security man camera consoles and sweeping the station. Don't pretend this behavior is exclusive to AIs.