kyres1 Posted August 2, 2018 Posted August 2, 2018 Was ALL the surgical equipment stolen? We were told to only take one OR's worth, and that's what I did (The northmost one). Fresh and Kyres were present in the OR with me, I believe. If we accidentally took both sets, then yeah, yikes, that was a bad miscomm. I thought I only saw one set in our makeshift base, though. only one room was stolen iirc. We didn't intend to take literally all the tools. We just needed enough to take to the forward operating base we had set up in maintenance.
Jarilovv Posted August 2, 2018 Posted August 2, 2018 If all the equipment wasn't taken, I don't understand why I would've been denied surgery for appendicitis.
DickFreedomJohnson Posted August 2, 2018 Posted August 2, 2018 "At this point I unfortunately contracted appendicitis and had to quickly check out what it was at the Medbay. They couldn't cure me because the mercs had stolen all the surgical equipment so I told them to give me painkillers and made my way back to the brig. I realise, as I walk through the front door of sec, four guys in red inside of the hallway above the waiting area, under the armoury. One of them yells at me to put my weapon down and surrender while the other one(Unfortunately I have forgotten who) decides to bum-rush me through the door without even giving me a second to respond. I open fire since the guy immediately opens the door so technically I fired first but I believe I was more than justified as I was literally a tile away from the door. Then began the first firefight of the round and my last since I got my legs shot off and then got hacked to death by someone with a sword. " I'm glad you brought this up as you are whom I had been describing as "Lobby guy" I did tell you to get on the ground but you opted to draw a laser rifle, I opened the door to attempt to to take it by force when you opened fire on me. Image as proof of my claims: https://gyazo.com/416339f6af05b474cd3144418917236c
SatinsPristOTD Posted August 2, 2018 Posted August 2, 2018 We don't really know, nor can we prove, if all the equipment was taken. It shouldn't have been if it had. I remember ICly being told that they couldn't do surgery due to the equipment being stolen. We've got conflicting reports and.... you can't really prove either side. So.... with that being said.... maybe we can just all take from this that removing every bit of surgical equipment is a bad idea and shouldn't be done. No one gets blamed, and the problem is still addressed.
Doxxmedearly Posted August 2, 2018 Posted August 2, 2018 Well, I'd like to know, still. I mean, yes, taking ALL the equipment would have been in poor taste, but I don't disagree with taking half of it (1 OR's worth). My only other thought is that medical didn't check both ORs for the equipment, and perhaps assumed they were both taken. This is a pretty fair assumption on their part, if so. That, or one of us on the team got confused and we managed to take both sets, but I'm like 90% sure this wasn't the case. I wish I was totally certain, but as you said, it can't really be totally proved one way or the other. The main point I want to get across is relating to this phrase: You took them to openly keep Medbay from fixing any fractures/bones/IB that may have been caused that round from the inevitable fight that happens on a merc round. We took the gear (planned to take ONE SET which was an explicit instruction mentioned) in order to use it for ourselves, NOT to screw anyone who got injured in the fighting. It was not some meta powergame move to dick over anyone who got injured. I want to clarify that, and the logs will also clarify our intent as we discussed it on AOOC and Merc comms. Either way, yes, it's good to make a note for anyone reading that stripping both ORs bare would be a pretty poor move.
Ornias Posted August 2, 2018 Posted August 2, 2018 So.... with that being said.... maybe we can just all take from this that removing every bit of surgical equipment is a bad idea and shouldn't be done. No one gets blamed, and the problem is still addressed. no. until you can say why it's a bad thing. yes, it's a "dick move". they're a bad guy. that's their modus operandi. they cause problems for the crew to react to. you need to show why it's a dick move OOCly. why it hurts RP. until you can prove that, there's no reason why it shouldn't be done. ((((((still not involved!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! whoooooops!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!))))))
Jarilovv Posted August 3, 2018 Posted August 3, 2018 "I did tell you to get on the ground but you opted to draw a laser rifle, I opened the door to attempt to to take it by force when you opened fire on me" You didn't give me a single second to respond. You immediately went in to take it by force despite the fact I very literally have to take the rifle into my own hands so I can drop it. Even if I wasn't going to do that, your reaction was immediately hostile which does nothing to promote RP let alone justify your actions.
Sytic Posted August 3, 2018 Posted August 3, 2018 So.... with that being said.... maybe we can just all take from this that removing every bit of surgical equipment is a bad idea and shouldn't be done. No one gets blamed, and the problem is still addressed. no. until you can say why it's a bad thing. yes, it's a "dick move". they're a bad guy. that's their modus operandi. they cause problems for the crew to react to. you need to show why it's a dick move OOCly. why it hurts RP. until you can prove that, there's no reason why it shouldn't be done. ((((((still not involved!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! whoooooops!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)))))) This is a moot point, as the antagonists didn't take all of the surgical equipment. But if they did, this would undoubtedly cause mass collateral damage for no real reason other than powergaming and a desire to win, bodies created be damned. That'd be deliberate collateral damage because "I WANNA WIN". EDIT: This thread is getting out of hand.
DickFreedomJohnson Posted August 3, 2018 Posted August 3, 2018 "You didn't give me a single second to respond. You immediately went in to take it by force despite the fact I very literally have to take the rifle into my own hands so I can drop it. Even if I wasn't going to do that, your reaction was immediately hostile which does nothing to promote RP let alone justify your actions." I gave you as much time as it took you to draw your firearm, which you did not state at all your intention of dropping it thus I immediately assumed that you were going to open fire on me. (Which you did) If you really were going to drop the gun, why did you not do it as I stepped out of sec instead of shooting at me? I guarantee that if I had seen you drop it you would not have gotten shot down and the entire situation would have been entirely different. My reaction I believe is justified because in all honesty what would any smart person do if somebody wordlessly pulled a gun on them while they have a gun already on the person? They'd shoot the bastard for pulling on them.
Jarilovv Posted August 3, 2018 Posted August 3, 2018 "I gave you as much time as it took you to draw your firearm, which you did not state at all your intention of dropping it thus I immediately assumed that you were going to open fire on me." You rushed to the door the moment you saw me, I had assumed you were going to take it by force anyway. I had no context as to why you had invaded the brig, all of your guns were drawn and I had assumed you had already attacked other officers judging by how quickly you ran towards the door when I entered the hallway, not to mention, you had already opened it within a second of when I drew my gun. If you had at least made an attempt to explain what you were doing instead of screaming at me to surrender and freeze while running at me, then it could have turned out differently.
DickFreedomJohnson Posted August 3, 2018 Posted August 3, 2018 (edited) "You rushed to the door the moment you saw me, I had assumed you were going to take it by force anyway. I had no context as to why you had invaded the brig, all of your guns were drawn and I had assumed you had already attacked other officers judging by how quickly you ran towards the door when I entered the hallway, not to mention, you had already opened it within a second of when I drew my gun. If you had at least made an attempt to explain what you were doing instead of screaming at me to surrender and freeze while running at me, then it could have turned out differently." That makes sense now that you explain it, I admit I should have considered your lack of understanding what was going on in the brig into the situation into our short interaction. I will take this into consideration in the future, I am still VERY much new to antagging on an HRP server as the last HRP server I played on had zero antags enabled. Thank you for the clarification and I sincerely apologize for my part in making the situation less then desirable for you. Edited August 3, 2018 by Guest
Faris Posted August 3, 2018 Posted August 3, 2018 Keep this to people involved now. Those with opinions on the matter have shared it already.
Faris Posted August 5, 2018 Posted August 5, 2018 To clear up a few things, while we are still looking into a few things, we have made a decision on others. 1) If a person tries to be a hero, then they are subject to the punishment of failure, which is basically being at the mercy of the person they failed against. This includes being charged with a spear or have a Molotov thrown at you. Both can cause serious damage, so the gloves being removed to retaliate is something normal. A giant can still squash an ant if it's annoying. 2) I don't think stealing surgical equipment even from both rooms is really bad? Obstacles do drive roleplay, even if both rooms were taken, it is an obstacle that could be overcome. I think it would only be an issue for me if they removed healing methods to wipe out the station, which I don't think is really the case here. Basically it boils down to intentional massive collateral, which is in the rules, which again does not seem to be the case this round. 3) I can see that a genuine attempt was made by some of the antagonists here. Yes, they did go through a route to establish their superiority compared to station resources, but from what I see they still tried to involve people. 4) Flamingo and I did spot some unsavory behavior, which for the time being is remaining vague as we look into it further. Mainly on the aggressiveness front. We'll try to finish this up in the next 48 hours.
Faris Posted August 8, 2018 Posted August 8, 2018 So the main issue we found was with [mention]DickFreedomJohnson[/mention]. Mostly the sportsmanship with the trash talking in the ooc mediums as shown here. For that we are issuing a warning. Another issue, while somewhat minor is still an issue is that we also noticed that [mention]DickFreedomJohnson[/mention] seemed to not be entirely in tune with the team, and considering it's a team based antagonist mode. A bit too quick on the trigger, in the sense that shooting a person while asking people to surrender, when the rest of your team is showing restraint so they can actually capture those doesn't really give the best image. But I'm willing to assume this is a one off incident, so we'll be watching for future behavior. To further clarify, it looks like your team wanted to act one way and you sort of went against that. This really concludes the complaint for [mention]Flamingo[/mention] and I. If nothing is added in 24 hours, we'll lock and archive this as resolved.
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