DronzTheWolf Posted November 29, 2018 Posted November 29, 2018 I had a concept that I'd like to make. A mix of Research and Robotics. A backpack and weapon combo similar to the water sprayers or the minigun, except it allows a human mob to use some mech modules. Not all of them due to odd logistics, but most of them would fit. The mech weapons/modules would have to be wielded to use, and using it would lock the user in place for about a second so it can't be heavily abused. The backpack and frame itself would be printed by Science, who can have Robotics print the module and install it into the frame. My plan is for some of the guns and all drills to be applicable, and tools like the gravity catapult. This would make it somewhat applicable outside of combat, such as allowing Cargo to move crates and such. There are other modules that I'm not aware of that'd likely fit, but thinks like the mounted sleepers and grippers wouldn't really fit or make sense. Naturally some of the very heavy weapons would have a chance to knock you over after firing, and in order to replinish your ammo count, you'd have to use a command that would last about 15 seconds and require you to stand still. Little cost for having a tool usually restricted to mechs on you, right? This is all subject to change, and I'm up to suggestions on improvements/nerfs on this.
DaTimeSmog Posted November 29, 2018 Posted November 29, 2018 So your plan is to take the one thing that makes people somewhat consider printing a mech outside of having too many resources... and giving that outside of mechs as well? I mean, after this we might as well remove mechs and make robotics be renamed to "Can use a printer"
Pratepresidenten Posted November 29, 2018 Posted November 29, 2018 Broooo, yes. This is a great suggestion! Having a form of back(pack) mounted rigchassis you can put exosuit drills and weapons on? All my yes. I see both upsides and downsides to this. Upside is you dont need AN ENTIRE FUCKING MECH built, everyone knows thats a massive resource hog and everyone and their mothers will come shitting down your chimney if they see some warmech getting built. There's also (Slight) mobility and more free-fire to it. Downsides can be plentiful though. Its rigmounted, meaning its modules can break on damage. You would probably move slower than the usual movespeed, and you'd be unable to sprint. You're stil highly susceptible to ions still, and you know, you're not protected for shit. So bullets away! Restrictions would be pretty harsh to balance it. One mount per rig, 2 for emagged rigs? Again, great potential!
DronzTheWolf Posted November 29, 2018 Author Posted November 29, 2018 6 hours ago, Pratepresidenten said: Broooo, yes. This is a great suggestion! Having a form of back(pack) mounted rigchassis you can put exosuit drills and weapons on? All my yes. I see both upsides and downsides to this. Upside is you dont need AN ENTIRE FUCKING MECH built, everyone knows thats a massive resource hog and everyone and their mothers will come shitting down your chimney if they see some warmech getting built. There's also (Slight) mobility and more free-fire to it. Downsides can be plentiful though. Its rigmounted, meaning its modules can break on damage. You would probably move slower than the usual movespeed, and you'd be unable to sprint. You're stil highly susceptible to ions still, and you know, you're not protected for shit. So bullets away! Restrictions would be pretty harsh to balance it. One mount per rig, 2 for emagged rigs? Again, great potential! I didn't think of it to be RIG-Mounted, actually. I was more thinking like the water backpack the janitors/gardeners get, or the minigun that you can order on the uplink. More like the minigun, though, because that has to be wielded and it has to be worn on the back.
Pratepresidenten Posted November 29, 2018 Posted November 29, 2018 Hmmm.. I cant say Ive used any of them so thats on me! But yeah, it sounds like good shit to give a trial run!
ben10083 Posted November 29, 2018 Posted November 29, 2018 Mech guns have to be attached to the mech for a reason, they are extremely bulky and powerful . Here is some examples: Laser Gatling gun>can fire so fast the server lags it a bit, you will shoot them to a crisp Electric cannon (can't remember exact name) Will hit everything and everyone in that room with a powerful electric shock Grenade launcher> self-explanatory Incendiary carbine> fires bullets that set whoever gets hit on fire There are many other examples, but the gist is that they are balanced since you have to operate them in a bulky, expensive mech. I feel that if this was to be implemented it should be more expensive than mechs, since it gives you a extremely powerful weapon with seemingly no downsides.
SampleTex Posted November 29, 2018 Posted November 29, 2018 While I'm all for more things for robotics to do and reasons for people to visit robotics, this would remove the few times and reasons to use a mech. Why wait for a gygax to be built when you can send in a G2 officer with an X-ray Gatling gun stuck onto their back. If we had Exoskeletons (basically rig suits but not meant for EVA, and would conflict with Eva suits most of the time) I could see how it would make some sense. They'd probably need to recharge very frequently, move pretty slowly depending on what's attached, and the weapons probably much weaker than the mech counterparts because of available power/safety of user.
Butterrobber202 Posted November 29, 2018 Posted November 29, 2018 A unique restriction would be race locking it behind the more buff races.
Arrow768 Posted November 29, 2018 Posted November 29, 2018 I have to concur with the balance concerns that have been raised in this topic. Some mech weapons are extremely op to be operated without a mech and the increased mobility. An option would be to apply some of the suggested nerfs and only make it rechargeable on those mech chargers. 35 minutes ago, Butterrobber202 said: A unique restriction would be race locking it behind the more buff races. Would definitely be fun to restrict that to humans skrell and maybe unathi.
ben10083 Posted November 29, 2018 Posted November 29, 2018 @Arrow768 perhaps the industrial IPCs as well
Butterrobber202 Posted November 29, 2018 Posted November 29, 2018 (edited) @Arrow768 by restrict it to the more buff races, I was meaning pure strength. Skrell would definitely not be on that list. the idea was that this harness would be pretty heavy, not including whatever attachment we put on it. So only races with a natural inclination towards developing muscle mass would be able to effectively use them. Such as Unathi, Vaurca Workers and Warriors, Zhan Tajara, Industrial IPCs and maybe tree folk Edited November 29, 2018 by Butterrobber202
DaTimeSmog Posted November 30, 2018 Posted November 30, 2018 You guys know that hardsuits exist? Even if this just blocked the backpack slot you can still give yourself a somewhat decent level of space proof protection, and even outside of that you still have plenty of armor.
DronzTheWolf Posted November 30, 2018 Author Posted November 30, 2018 1 hour ago, DaTimeSmog said: You guys know that hardsuits exist? Even if this just blocked the backpack slot you can still give yourself a somewhat decent level of space proof protection, and even outside of that you still have plenty of armor. Hardsuits/RIGs take up the back slot.
Fire and Glory Posted November 30, 2018 Posted November 30, 2018 (edited) Just throwing it out there but I think being able to construct a stationary mount which you can then attach a mech gun to might be a better idea compared to letting you walk around with one. It'd still give you access to the firepower without edging in on what mechs or RIGs do. Edited November 30, 2018 by Fire and Glory
DronzTheWolf Posted November 30, 2018 Author Posted November 30, 2018 2 hours ago, Fire and Glory said: Just throwing it out there but I think being able to construct a stationary mount which you can then attach a mech gun to might be a better idea compared to letting you walk around with one. It'd still give you access to the firepower without edging in on what mechs or RIGs do. I agree that stationary guns would be better, really. The issue with that is that it'd probably be a lot harder to code than a minigun pack with a lot more slowdown.
DaTimeSmog Posted November 30, 2018 Posted November 30, 2018 8 hours ago, DronzTheWolf said: I agree that stationary guns would be better, really. The issue with that is that it'd probably be a lot harder to code than a minigun pack with a lot more slowdown. Hardsuits are not RIGs... RIGs are deployable space worthy suits that take up the backslot, hardsuits are just worn as clothing with the backpack slot not being covered by it.
Pratepresidenten Posted November 30, 2018 Posted November 30, 2018 1 hour ago, DaTimeSmog said: Hardsuits are not RIGs... RIGs are deployable space worthy suits that take up the backslot, hardsuits are just worn as clothing with the backpack slot not being covered by it. Hardsuits ARE rigs my dude. Sits on your back, needs to initialize, desploys in one big swoosh.
Itanimulli Posted December 1, 2018 Posted December 1, 2018 1 hour ago, DaTimeSmog said: Hardsuits are not RIGs... RIGs are deployable space worthy suits that take up the backslot, hardsuits are just worn as clothing with the backpack slot not being covered by it. I think you missed the giant f-ing pannel that says "deploy hardsuit" that is right by the other pannel that says "hardsuit modules." Are you thinking of Voidsuits?
DaTimeSmog Posted December 1, 2018 Posted December 1, 2018 16 hours ago, Itanimulli said: Content I am thinking voidsuit, but I dont call them voidsuits because Im used to calling them hardsuits.
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