Character Complaint - Nathan Corvo and Mia Frei

[CuthbertIsHere]

BYOND Key: Burning Soul345, Kingston Dean a.k.a. Cowboy Hat Officer
Game ID:  The Game ID of the round after
Player Byond Key/Character name: Nathan Corvo as Captain and Mia Frei as HoS
Staff involved: Yonnimer
Reason for complaint: So, my character got drunk and some Tajara entered the security Hallway. And my character have decided that it's pretty weird that he is surrounded by talking cats and giant cockroaches(which, let's be real, does sounds like a nice plot for a bad trip) and have decided to make a remark on it. Then the Detective Rashaan Mi'khail entered and started to ask MC(my character) if he really said this, to which MC answered yes, and upon recording it went to HoS, who in turn went to captain with this record. I shall remark, that, in my opinion my character behaves pretty nice with the rest of the crew, including the above mentioned Detective(anyone correct me if I'm wrong here, though).

When MC approached captain, the Captain have requested the ID, however, when asked on what basis the demotion is happening, he started going with some rumbling and took some time to actually find the only thing that is xenos-related in NT Corporate Regulation, which is i109, where insulting xenos is actually mentioned as an example of genuine offense, which might as well happen between two people upon calling one another fat and does not includes the demotion as a punishment). However, entirely ignoring MC remarks, he started saying that he is the boss captain here and he doesn't care. And also if captain can just go on and dissolve the contract with non-NT(EFMC) crew member upon his mere wish, as I believe those contracts are being negotiated with the respective HR department, which is placed above the Captain(might be wrong, though), which is literally what he said. 

Also, after this, HoS was forcing MC to wear gray suit while stealing MC uniform and ordered Za'Akaix'Crono Zo'ra and Ini Ugonma to take MC clothes off and arrest him for not wearing the clothes she provided, which was just stupidly hilarious in my ooc opinion but questionable in ic one.

Basically, its not as much of complaint(although, it is one, nevertheless) as it is the question to the forums if your character can voice their xenophobic attitude, while not actually hurting/threatening/disobeying and not genially being a dick about it, but rather questioning xenos' qualification to work on board of station along with humans and similar remarks along these lines. 
Did you attempt to adminhelp the issue at the time? If so, what was the known action taken by administration/moderation? Yes, I did, and Yonnimer tried to answer my questions eagerly regarding the situation, but had to leave, so offered me to place my complaint here. 
Approximate Date/Timeb] ~8:40 PM EST 10/9/2019

[Nantei]

Hey, I play Mia. I think there's some base confusion here on your part. Suspensions are not exclusively handed out based on regulation breaking. A suspension can technically be handed out for any decent reason, but if you don't believe me, let's see what the Wiki has to say about suspensions.

"Suspensions are used to temporarily suspend an employee from active duty, restricting them from holding any station rank. They are typically used in situations where an employee can no longer be trusted to continue their work."

This is relevant because you were being openly xenophobic. A large part of the crew was aware of this. For most roles this isn't a particularly big problem, but Security Officers are held to much higher standards for that, especially contractors who have less leash than regular employees. I consulted with the Captain beforehand about your suspension, and we both agreed to the suspension because it would be difficult for the crew to trust an officer that had very open, unapologetic biases. How can I trust you to fairly treat Tajaran and Vaurca suspects when you refer to them by slurs? I can't. If you want to be xenophobic as an officer, you need to be more subtle about it. Think about it this way: If you were at work, got drunk, and started yelling slurs, do you think you would keep your job? I can nearly guarantee you that you wouldn't.

Regarding your uniform, I explicitly told you several times you could keep it. Although it is worth noting it is more correct for me to confiscate it. I was trying to be nice here because Mia did not want to humiliate you. If you don't believe me, once again the Wiki states this:

"Demotion and dismissal also require the removal of equipment from the previous job. E.g: Uniforms, weapons, bombs, PDA cartridges, etc."

I told you that you could keep the uniform if you promised to change out of it once you left the brig, you refused. I told you that I would provide you with clothes so you could change here, you refused. Many HoS's would not have been as patient as I was with you. I also would like to note you were not wearing the correct uniform. As a contractor you are supposed to be wearing your contractors' uniform at all times. After I had asked and then told you upwards of five times, you insisted still on keeping the uniform. I even tried to tell you that we would let you use the bathroom to change, because again, Mia did not want to humiliate you. Frankly I do not understand how much more you could want. I almost never suspend people, I take no pleasure in it. If you had expressed remorse at any time we likely would have dropped it, but you didn't. I will also mention that most HoS players would also charge you for drinking on the job. Once you work with a few other HoS's I think you will start to realize I am likely one of the gentler ones.

Edited September 11, 2019 by Nantei

[JKJudgeX]

Nantei's post sums it up well.

Being openly racist at work is far beyond realistic play.  Should the insulted parties report this kind of behavior to a news entity and it be reported that no punishment was given and that the attitude was tolerated, the press would have a field day with it and it would be very bad for the company.

Had it simply been a passing remark, or apologized for and not brought to my attention by multiple crew, the outcome may have been different.  I expected an incident report, so, I'll go ahead and post the logs I took.  It should also be noted that the character's attitude while being considered for suspension was poor, and continued to be very poor after the fact, as indication of the kind of character we're dealing with here.

I've served as Captain aboard the Aurora for three or more years, and have only suspended or demoted very few people, and never for a simple racist remark that was withdrawn upon confrontation.  Unapologetic, xenophobic disrespect of other crew from a security officer, along with a disrespectful attitude towards command when confronted will not and should never be tolerated as it results in command itself being seen as weak and inactive, willing to allow crew to suffer a hostile workplace environment.

Professionalism is important.  The officer was also drunk on duty.

I'll go ahead and attach the transcript I was given when the suspension was recommended:
 

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[00:00] Recording started.
[00:06] Rashaan Mi'khail says, "He is asking you a question contrrractorrrr."
[00:29] Rashaan Mi'khail says, "Anyways, he is asking you a question Contrrractorrrr."
[00:34] Ihuru Azka says, "Racisssst man."
[00:40] Rashaan Mi'khail says, "Did you call Muhawirr a cat, and state that vaurrrrca arrre cockrroaches."
[00:49] Ihuru Azka says, "Take Azka belt, pouchess, glassssssess."
[00:55] Ihuru Azka says, "Put in closset."
[01:06] Kingston Dean asks, "You're away for cryo?"
[01:08] Ihuru Azka grunts.
[01:13] Rashaan Mi'khail says, "Contrrrractorr Dean."
[01:13] Ihuru Azka says, "Yess."
[01:15] Ihuru Azka says, "Goodbye."
[01:17] Rashaan Mi'khail says, "You will answerrrr him."
[01:24] Kingston Dean asks, "Yeah, I did, so what?"
[01:28] Rashaan Mi'khail says, "He sees."
[01:37] Rashaan Mi'khail says, "He does not believe yourrr contrrract will be rrenewed then."
[01:39] Recording stopped.

In OOC terms, an employee of a station crewed by multicultural employees would have received plenty of education as to why this is unacceptable behavior, and a member of security or any police force in reality would easily lose their job for saying things that are known to be racially insensitive and potentially baiting towards members of said race or culture.

To summarize: This could have been handled more lightly had this officer not doubled down on his insult, or had not spoken this kind of language directly to a xeno crewmember, and I still agree with the decision that was put before me.

Edited September 11, 2019 by JKJudgeX

[CuthbertIsHere]

First of all, talking about my character being drunk in this post is irrelevant since you wouldn't know about it unless I wrote it here. 

Second, even in real life you are supposed to comprehend your client despite your liking or disliking of him. Whether you like him being of a different race, or being rude to you or smelling bad or whatever else. You gotta do your job. In fact, I, myself work in a foreign country and my native co-workers of this country always joke about my origin, but this doesn't make me scream and go complaining to my boss, who is also foreigner. We simply laugh it out and go on with it.

 My character never mistreated any of the personnel based on their race during the round, and only made his remarks in private conversation once, not even meaning it as an insult, but rather as a remark about his environment not even addressing it directly to the xenos, which can be seen in logs(the round ID is b3a-dw1H, by the way). However, once approached by other xenos and directly asked if "Did you call Muhawirr a cat, and state that vaurrrrca arrre cockrroaches.", he answered bluntly yes, because, you know, they really do look like them).

The tajara were discovered less then forty years before the current date and vaucra just 5 years ago. By merely calling them what they are, in a private conversation, without addressing it directly to them and meaning no offense(even if the insult was taken), you do not put them in danger, unless NSS Aurora is not a reseach vessel, but simply a safe space for xenos. It is kinda weird to so bluntly remove the ability to express your character. Some five years ago when I played SS13, my character was also referring to Tajara crew as "kitty" and they were not actually crying about it on comms, but times have certainly changed here, aye, shame it affected even this place.  

Third and the last, my complaint is about basically boring suspension procedure. Nor captain, nor HoS were able to roleplay it properly, in my opinion and the only thing that have been extracted from this encounter, was basically cap screaming "gimme yar ID, kid, or imma calling da cops", without even trying to talk about it whatsoever in personal meeting. This is just boring and wrong behavior on cap' side, in my opinion. 

Well, basically, I simply want to hear out the Lore writers and admins opinions on this situation, since if they actually do acknowledge that NSS Aurora is a safe space for aliens and your character can't have their opinions on working along xenos, then I withdraw any of my remarks, because times have changed, aye, and I will play by the rules given.

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In OOC terms, an employee of a station crewed by multicultural employees would have received plenty of education as to why this is unacceptable behavior, and a member of security or any police force in reality would easily lose their job for saying things that are known to be racially insensitive and potentially baiting towards members of said race or culture.

This is not UK, no need to push your agenda here, please:3

Edited September 11, 2019 by CuthbertIsHere

[Dark1Star]

3 hours ago, CuthbertIsHere said:

This is not UK, no need to push your agenda here, please:3

Well that's just extremely rude. And what does that have to do with any agenda? Being rude and racist in a workplace would get you fired on the damn spot, what do you think's gonna happen?

[CuthbertIsHere]

50 minutes ago, Dark1Star said:

Well that's just extremely rude. And what does that have to do with any agenda? Being rude and racist in a workplace would get you fired on the damn spot, what do you think's gonna happen?

Once again, the world of Aurora is not modern-day one and as such current events shall not be projected on the game. The politics of Sol Alliance are dominated by the human-first parties of ATLAS and GAIA, to which my character belongs. While the politics of Republic of Biesel, where Tau Ceti is based, is also influenced by government that is composed of parties that can be seen as xenophobic. The position of NT is also quite speaking regarding the xenos with "The corporation is also suspected of instigating wars on Ahdomai and Moghes for the purpose of manipulating the species' into lucrative deals for profit." So NT don't seem like the kind of xenos loving guys to me. The top positions in NT are also taken by humans with some exceptions of skrells.

[Goret]

The title has been fixed. Next time, use a proper title or sanctions will be handed out.

[Roostercat]

To be fair, you also talked a fair amount of shit about various staff and neglected orders multiple times, on top of battery (I was Za’Akaix’Crono Zo’ra

[CuthbertIsHere]

13 minutes ago, Roostercat said:

To be fair, you also talked a fair amount of shit about various staff and neglected orders multiple times, on top of battery (I was Za’Akaix’Crono Zo’ra

I want to see a proof of it, as I don't believe that happened. There was no battery as my character willingly got cuffed by yours. And my character neglected order to wear jumpsuit when he was already suspended and your character personally stole MC uniform, which is basically a theft. 

[Roostercat]

1 hour ago, CuthbertIsHere said:

I want to see a proof of it, as I don't believe that happened. There was no battery as my character willingly got cuffed by yours. And my character neglected order to wear jumpsuit when he was already suspended and your character personally stole MC uniform, which is basically a theft. 

You were given the uniform and I distinctly remember you throwing the headset into my face instead of handing it over, you could have easily taken off the uniform and kept it with you but you refused and thus it was taken.

Edited September 11, 2019 by Roostercat

[Nantei]

1 hour ago, CuthbertIsHere said:

I want to see a proof of it, as I don't believe that happened. There was no battery as my character willingly got cuffed by yours. And my character neglected order to wear jumpsuit when he was already suspended and your character personally stole MC uniform, which is basically a theft. 

It isn't. I think you would benefit from reading the regulations page a bit more thoroughly. Confiscating equipment is standard. I was being nice and going to let you keep it even though regulations say you shouldn't. Confiscation does not always mean you don't get it back. Although you won't get it back that shift, flavor-wise what usually happens is it's returned to you when you board the Odin provided you can legally own it.

Regarding politics, I have no idea why you brought up modern day ones, but in-game NT has an image to uphold. An officer yelling out slurs and not being punished would look extremely bad from a PR standpoint.

[CuthbertIsHere]

24 minutes ago, Roostercat said:

 Youu throwing the headset into my face instead of handing it over

>Battery
Wow, just wow, not even talking about the fact that if headset would have hit you in the face, the game would show and appropriate message, however, the game indicated the headset falling on the floor. Still expect the proof for previous two claims. 

22 minutes ago, Nantei said:

It isn't. I think you would benefit from reading the regulations page a bit more thoroughly. Confiscating equipment is standard. I was being nice and going to let you keep it even though regulations say you shouldn't.

Who should read the regulation page is you, and I wish you to show me the exact wording of how my "crime" is connected with confiscation. I handed out the equipment that is the property of NT, however, kept the equipment that does not belongs to NT and belongs to EPMC and is the property of the respective department in EPMC that did not issue any order on dismissal. The whole order of stealing MC clothes is kinda dumb, cuz he always wears poncho anyways, that hides the uniform completely. I want you to prove the legality of this decision from regulations standpoint. 

22 minutes ago, Nantei said:

Regarding politics, I have no idea why you brought up modern day ones, but in-game NT has an image to uphold. An officer yelling out slurs and not being punished would look extremely bad from a PR standpoint.

I have proven my point, using the in-game lore, you, however, keep basing your opinion on personal agenda. 

By the way, my character never "yelled out slurs", but "only made his remarks in private conversation once, not even meaning it as an insult, but rather as a remark about his environment not even addressing it directly to the xenos". No need to exaggerate here, jeez. 

Edited September 11, 2019 by CuthbertIsHere

[KingOfThePing]

I am not directly involved in this, but your claim to know regulations and directives can easily be disproven. You should maybe read CCIA Notice #7: "Uniform Regulation":

 

"Personnel should be reminded that regulation requires uniform jumpsuits to be worn rolled up. Tajaran crew members are excepted from this requirement, but are required to wear a non-revealing undershirt or tank top that does not bare the chest.

Uniformed security employees are to wear only standard equipment provided by NanoTrasen. Security uniforms do not include personal clothing, or items that would significantly impact the crew's ability to immediately identify security personnel. Minor alterations to uniform equipment are permitted in order to accommodate non-human species.

Personnel failing to meet these requirements are in violation of regulations, and are subject to fines, detention, or other applicable penalties."

 

If you wear a poncho that hides the entire uniform - you are breaking a regulation. Some people could even argue about the cowboy hat. If you, as a contractor, are not wearing your contractor's uniform while on duty - you are breaking a regulation, as defined in CCIA Notice #30, "Regarding Contractors":

 

"Contracted employees on board Nanotrasen vessels are fully subject to the established Nanotrasen chain of command, station directives, notices and regulations. They are to clearly state the fact they are contracted as well as their parent company, in their security and employment records. Contractors are to wear their company uniforms in all fields in order to be distinguishable, and are not to hold any internship positions. They are also not to be promoted to Interim Head of Staff positions under any circumstances."

 

1 hour ago, CuthbertIsHere said:

I handed out the equipment that is the property of NT, however, kept the equipment that does not belongs to NT and belongs to EPMC and is the property of the respective department in EPMC that did not issue any order on dismissal.

All equipment you use or get from the station (thus, ingame) that does not come from your personal loadout - guns, tasers, ammunition and all other security equipment is all provided by NanoTrasen and issued equipment by the Corporation. Nothing besides the uniform "belongs" to the Eridani PMC and even that I couldn't tell for sure. It's not your uniform either, so you can't say it's theft.

 

Again, I am not directly involved, but as CCIA I feel the need to advise you that your understanding of Corporate Regulations, Directives and CCIA Notices seem to be lacking, as Nantei already pointed out. You should read it again.

Edited September 11, 2019 by KingOfThePing
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[CuthbertIsHere]

6 minutes ago, KingOfThePing said:

I am not directly involved in this, but your claim to know regulations and directives can easily be disproven. You should maybe read CCIA Notice #7: "Uniform Regulation":

Did I claimed somewhere that I know the regulations and directives back to back?) I merely asked Nantei to prove her point, which he, in turn has failed to do. I do take this regulation to note. 

During the round itself I was wearing the black security uniform issued by NT, and upon dismissal has turned it back with no problem.

11 minutes ago, KingOfThePing said:

All equipment you use or get from the station (thus, ingame) that does not come from your personal loadout - guns, tasers, ammunition and all other security equipment is all provided by NanoTrasen and issued equipment. Nothing besides the uniform "belongs" to the Eridani PMC.

So... What? That was my point the whole time. If you read my messages carefully you would see that I have returned all of the equipment with no arguing, except for the EPMC uniform I started with and put in my personal locker in security wardrobe, which was stolen by Vaurca officer.

I'm really sorry, but I fail to see the reason you posted it, since it does not have much to do with the current discussion, which is the question of why HoS has stolen my character uniform. The CCIA Notices are taken to notes, though, thanks) 

[KingOfThePing]

If you quote me, quote me in the entirety, please:

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All equipment you use or get from the station (thus, ingame) that does not come from your personal loadout - guns, tasers, ammunition and all other security equipment is all provided by NanoTrasen and issued equipment by the Corporation. Nothing besides the uniform "belongs" to the Eridani PMC and even that I couldn't tell for sure. It's not your uniform either, so you can't say it's theft.

You wearing the black uniform issued by NT (the one from the loadout I assume) breaks a regulation. The locker in the locker room is not yours, neither is the contents. It's property of the Corporation.

 

But I really should stop posting now, since I am not directly involved. I pointed out that you are not up-to-date with some regulations and that's that.

Edited September 11, 2019 by KingOfThePing

[JKJudgeX]

1 hour ago, CuthbertIsHere said:

No need to exaggerate here, jeez. 

That's a pretty cute thing to say by the guy who put this in his opener and also who had to be chastised for his topic title:

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However, entirely ignoring MC remarks, he started saying that he is the boss captain here and he doesn't care. 

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was basically cap screaming "gimme yar ID, kid, or imma calling da cops", without even trying to talk about it whatsoever in personal meeting. This is just boring and wrong behavior on cap' side, in my opinion. 

I didn't ignore anything you said.  I did suffer a disconnection when I tried to open the demotion form it somehow crashed my client, but beyond that 30-40 second disconnect, I paid full attention to the "RP" at hand, and, you're 100% lying as I never said that.  Corvo doesn't raise his voice unless you trigger him in a couple of certain ways, and being an ignorant racist dufus isn't one of them. 

In fact, I specifically remember explaining that you had undermined the crew's ability to trust you to protect them by demonstrating that you were a racist, and I also ICly explained to you that you can't run around saying that kind of stupid bullshit (my words, as Corvo was being more professional) while wearing a uniform and representing the company.

That will come out if and when the logs are looked into, and honestly the fact that you are choosing to lie about how you were dealt with is making me start to feel like I need to counter this with a player complaint.  Are you denying that I told you that you had undermined the crew's faith in your impartiality as an officer, or that I explained to you that you were being demoted for being racist while on duty and in-uniform?  I specifically remember taking the time to parse these points with you even though I actually just wanted to instantly delete you from the game and pretend like you hadn't existed.

I have no problem with you taking issue with something I may have done wrong and bringing it here to discuss it.  I'd love to correct any of my play that is done incorrectly, but firing an unapologetic and openly racist security officer is not something that I did incorrectly.  I asked you for your ID because you had already been interviewed about the insult, and it was pretty clear that you KNEW why you had been sent to the window, and also, my protocol when considering a demotion is that I have your ID in my hand WHILE we discuss it, if we are going to, because I have a long string of experiences where telling someone they are being fired results in them sprinting off and sparking a manhunt because they are a giant manbaby trying to pretend to be a professional employee of a corporation.  If I have your ID it kinda limits where you can run to and things can get resolved, and whether you are getting demoted or not also has a little to do with how you react when being told to surrender your ID.  

To come here and accuse me of having some kind of "agenda" and trying to make it out to be like the Aurora is some kind of "safe space" is pretty telling, in my opinion, YOU are the one bringing up modern political points, not us.

Let me just short-circuit this, though, since you brought up "real life":  Go do a quick google search for "Police Officer using racist terms" and you'll find a great number of results.  Super fun things like Philadelphia firing 13 officers for posting racist memes...  not even while on the job.   Officers cannot undermine the crew's faith in their impartiality and fair-mindedness.

You were suspended because your ability to do your job was analyzed and found wanting, since you had broken a regulation as an officer and the head of your department no longer wanted to work with you, simple as that, and it was explained to you in similar terms by both the HoS and the Captain.  YOU can stop exaggerating and lying about how you were dealt with, and retract your untrue statements.



 

 

Edited September 11, 2019 by JKJudgeX

[CuthbertIsHere]

3 minutes ago, KingOfThePing said:

If you quote me, quote me in the entirety, please:

You wearing the black uniform issued by NT (the one from the loadout I assume) breaks a regulation. The locker in the locker room is not yours, neither is the contents. It's property of the Corporation.

Sorry, I have replied to the first version of your post, before you edited it. Don't actually see how this change my point, tough. Also, can't seem to find the CCIA

 Notice 30, so I guess there's that, sorry, would like to explore the other ones beyond the 14 I can find in wiki, though)

8 minutes ago, JKJudgeX said:

That will come out if and when the logs are looked into, and honestly the fact that you are choosing to lie about how you were dealt with is making me start to feel like I need to counter this with a player complaint.  Are you denying that I told you that you had undermined the crew's faith in your impartiality as an officer, or that I explained to you that you were being demoted for being racist while on duty and in-uniform?  I specifically remember taking the time to parse these points with you even though I actually just wanted to instantly delete you from the game and pretend like you hadn't existed.

 I asked you for your ID because you had already been interviewed about the insult, and it was pretty clear that you KNEW why you had been sent to the window, and also, my protocol when considering a demotion is that I have your ID in my hand WHILE we discuss it, if we are going to

Okay, wanna remember how it was? When Detective brought the recorder to HoS, she went to you, all of this time, MC was staying in the hallway on post. Right after that I was immediately summoned to HoP line. There was no interview, so you are already lying, bahoo, bad you(see, this does not lead discussion anywhere, don't do this, please:3).

Second, your protocol? What am I supposed to do with it, lol? When I was summoned, the first thing you said to me was "Give me your ID". No "Hello, officer", "there is something we need to talk", even simply "for your violation against the regulations", no, nothing, give me your ID, and for a long time this was the only thing you were saying. You know this is true, so no need to deny it. While I was asking you the basis, beside your personal agenda, which I never said you didn't said, but the point of the discussion the whole time was clearly the basis for you reasoning with some in-game regulation back-up on which you are issuing your decision.

You were simply ignoring all of these question and has repeated your request at least 4-5 times, before you disconnected, which I understand, but after this you said something, that I am sorry, I unable to quote fully, however, it was basically that you don't need no basis from Regulations do carry out this decision. So, understanding that you are unable to base your point right now, I understood that arguing here will bring me nothing and gave you my ID. 

So, all I ask, once again, as simple as that. Back up your decision with some in-game lore piece. Can you just to that? Or simply aknowledge that you think your captain can exercise hiso own agenda onboard with no need for any rules from NT? 

P.S.

>Asking not to bring the modern politics to the discussion

>Literally does that in next post
hehe, that's a good one

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you can't run around saying that kind of stupid bullshit

>Literally reads the previous post where I counter the exact same argument

>Posts it in the next post almost unchanged

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 I specifically remember taking the time to parse these points with you even though I actually just wanted to instantly delete you from the game and pretend like you hadn't existed.

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To come here and accuse me of having some kind of "agenda" and trying to make it out to be like the Aurora is some kind of "safe space" is pretty telling

Cute

[JKJudgeX]

12 minutes ago, CuthbertIsHere said:

There was no interview, so you are already lying, bahoo, bad you(see, this does not lead discussion anywhere, don't do this, please:3).

So, the detective questioned you about racist remarks that you made, took the recording to the HoS, and then you got summoned to the line and your character didn't think "Uh oh, I might be in trouble for being a racist?"  ...  well, my captain can't detect if you're critically stupid, but not being able to put two and two together in this case is either 1) You are RPing someone entirely too dull to be a security officer, let alone be trusted with a fork, or 2) You are being disingenuous regarding having been spoken to regarding this issue before being asked to come to the HoP line.

So, you were in fact interviewed, recorded, and that interview posted in my first response above, and now telling us it didn't happen?  

You said that the captain was yelling, which was untrue.  Strike one.
You said that the captain claimed he was the boss here and that he didn't care (He is the boss here, that's factual, whether you were reminded or not), but he did not say that he "didn't care". Strike two.

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Nor captain, nor HoS were able to roleplay it properly, in my opinion and the only thing that have been extracted from this encounter, was basically cap screaming "gimme yar ID, kid, or imma calling da cops", without even trying to talk about it whatsoever in personal meeting. 

You don't remember us explaining to you that you couldn't be trusted to enforce the regulations after you demonstrated that you were racist while wearing the uniform?  Because "without even trying to talk about it whatsoever" is an outright lie, as the regulation you broke was told to you, and the reasoning for dismissing you was also relayed in this conversation (which was in no way a requirement that the captain spend his time doing this for you).  Strike three.

A longstanding Tajaran crewmember PDA'd the captain, probably around the same time you were being interviewed by the detective, and told him that you had made those racist remarks.  He didn't have your name, so he gave a description and the captain said he'd keep an eye out to talk with you.  Then the HoS brought it up and we agreed that you should be dismissed from duty.

Here's something from the Aurora wiki's Security Officer article:
 

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Remember to follow Standard Security Procedure, because you can't call yourself an enforcer of Corporate Regulations if you can't respect the same rules you're supposed to uphold.

Please re-read that bold part slowly, 7 or 8 times.

Also, by the regulations, not surrendering your ID when ordered by the captain and instead trying to have a conversation is itself breaking the regulations and not respecting the chain of command.  Had we wanted to be super assholes and throw the book at you, we could have brigged you, but instead we just asked you to go put on civilian clothes and ride out the rest of the round thinking about your actions far away from any security post, where your behavior made us sure you did not belong.

Also, leaning on an EFMC contract as some kind of excuse or protection for WORSE behavior than is expected of regular ISD is exactly the opposite of how contractors work in real life.  You're not even really a part of NT, so you think the EFMC is going to have your back when you are embarrassing in uniform, or that NT is going to tolerate contracted employees being unprofessional more often than their own guys who have shown loyalty and investment in the corporation?  You're expecting both warmth and pay without commitment, and that's not how these kinds of professions work, from prostitution to mercenary work, if you aren't wearing my logo and carrying my flag but you're taking my cash, I'm the customer and I'm always right and expect consummate professionalism and obedience.  If we have a history as coworkers and share the same boss and coworkers and you slip up here and there, of course I'm gonna let some things slide...  but you're sure as hell not gonna lean on being a contractor as an excuse to shirk professionalism - it's the opposite, you're playing hard mode.


 

[Guest Menown]

And here I was not going to make an IR because this got handled on station and didn't seem to require any further action.

Here's how the events played out from my point:

>Show up at the brig and ask the only person there, an officer standing in the lobby if any assistance is needed

>I'm told "No, unless you can say if it's normal for there to be talking cats and cockroaches"

>Assume that I've missed some bluespace anomaly or something and that there are giant spiders again or Bones has become sentient so I explain I've never heard of a talking cat nor do I know what a cockroach is.

>After a moment the officer starts explaining the features of a talking cat, features my character has such as "cute, fluffy ears" and a tendency to roll the R when he talks.

>My character realizes the character is a racist and thus, probably doesn't require assistance from me, so I leave the lobby and make my way to another department to do my job, see if they need assistance.

>I inform the crew that the white ATLAS supporting Eridanian contractor that dresses like a cowboy is a racist over the radio and find myself at my next department. Soon after, I'm contacted by the Captain, who asks for the name and description of the officer. I told the captain I thought it was an Eridanian, but I wasn't sure since the uniform was different, and the clothing didn't fit the typical appearance of an Eridanian PMC contractor, so all I had to work off was the visible prefix of the identification card, since I didn't care enough to get a name, my character deals with racists constantly and they're not worth caring about more than on-shift jabs.

>The captain apologizes for the behavior and goes about his day, that's all I know about it. I interact with the man at no point following that.

[Garnascus]

Give me a few days and i will check logs.

[Garnascus]

Alright so as i understand it your character kingston dean was suspended for the following reasons. 

1. Making derogatory remarks to species working aboard the aurora. Said remarks are logged here. 

2. Admitting to the remarks in a recording

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Burning Soul345/(Kingston Dean) : (Freespeak) Not that I was drinking on duty, but I think I saw a giant cockroach... Twice.
Burning Soul345/(Kingston Dean) : (Freespeak) And he was wearing a security uniform... Talking cats I can accept, but this...
Burning Soul345/(Kingston Dean) : (Ceti Basic) Yeah, do you think it is normal to see talking cats and giant cockroaches?
Burning Soul345/(Kingston Dean) : (Ceti Basic) I mean, you know, fluffy, cute, have ears, always prolongate rrrr when they speak.

You are contending the following things. 

1. You should be allowed to voice your opinions of xeno crew as long as you are not literally discriminating. 

2. That you should have been allowed to keep your contractor uniform

3. The situation should have been RPed more

4. You did not commit battery on The vaurca when you threw your headset.

I will just go through these point by point as i see them. So our corporate regulation's page on our wiki does state the following 

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Suspensions are used to temporarily suspend an employee from active duty, restricting them from holding any station rank. They are typically used in situations where an employee can no longer be trusted to continue their work.

It is reasonable to me that a captain or a HoS might call your ability to do your job as a security member into question if you voice certain derogatory statements about xeno crew. Under the letter of the law here they do have the right to suspend you for it. Under suspension protocol items pertaining to your job are confiscated. It appears that nantei was going to let you keep your uniform if you changed out of it when you left the brig. While its still probably the property of your contractor you're no longer able to work as security so you cannot be wearing it. The situation seems to have been RPed exactly as i figured it would. The captain showed up and told you whats what. That is their prerogative as captain and im afraid they did have proof you said the things. 

Finally, on the note of battery i found this log 

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b3a-dw1H ATTACK: Za'Akaix'Crono Zo'ra (CKEY EXPUNGED) was hit by a the security radio headset, thrown by Kingston Dean (burningsoul345) (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=123;Y=153;Z=4'>JMP</a>)

So it would appear you did do this.

All in all i do not really see a problem with how anyone played this situation. Its entirely acceptable for you to play a character like this but it will of course meet consequences. Which manifested in this round.

[CuthbertIsHere]

So, basically you can't call giant talking cats giant talking cats in a world, where human politics is dominated by human-fist parties and first contact was made just fifty years ago, right? 

[Garnascus]

3 hours ago, CuthbertIsHere said:

So, basically you can't call giant talking cats giant talking cats in a world, where human politics is dominated by human-fist parties and first contact was made just fifty years ago, right? 

You certainly can but that will likely gain you the ire of your fellow crew and your direct superiors. Which is what happened here. 

[Azande]

4 hours ago, CuthbertIsHere said:

So, basically you can't call giant talking cats giant talking cats in a world, where human politics is dominated by human-fist parties and first contact was made just fifty years ago, right? 

Small lore note, Tau Ceti - where the station is located, is a super liberal xeno-loving nation. We literally almost had a Tajaran as President and an IPC as Vice President. Vaurca literally saved New Gibson during the Lii'dra assault. So like, yes - there's lots of racists, but most racists are subtle and don't act overtly racist at work, because that is not acceptable

[CuthbertIsHere]

1 hour ago, Azande said:

Small lore note, Tau Ceti - where the station is located, is a super liberal xeno-loving nation. We literally almost had a Tajaran as President and an IPC as Vice President. Vaurca literally saved New Gibson during the Lii'dra assault. So like, yes - there's lots of racists, but most racists are subtle and don't act overtly racist at work, because that is not acceptable

This is not true, as the current president is supporting the situation where xenos laborers have no right even for the minimum wage. While the rest two parties vow for the suspension of the work visas for them and one of them vows for outright expulsion of some xenos. There is only one party that is pro-xenos in the parliament. And the parliament is rather 50/50, not "super libeal xeno-loving" at all. 

The next is I find it hard to believe that in a world, where the first contact happened in the current generation, everyone is going to be very xenos-friendly. The NanoTrasen, in turn give no damn about the Tajras, as they intentionally instigate the conflict in their homeworld for profits, same as the case with the discovery of Untahi, both of whom are a cheap labor in comparison with Humans and Skrells. The Tajaran population is also not very integrative, as it is the source of a high crime rates in the places where they live and gained them a poor reputation among Humans, not to mention giant problem with Vaucra refugees. Also, if you simply imagine a giant cockroach, you can pretty much see the reason why humans wouldn't take much pleasure working with them.

2 hours ago, Garnascus said:

You certainly can but that will likely gain you the ire of your fellow crew and your direct superiors. Which is what happened here. 

So, there is basically no NT rule for it, which would mention this in a contract, which my character is meant to sign before being sent to work on the station, it's just if the captain is a xenos-loving guy, he can do whatever he wants and suspend you for it with no requirement from the NT to do so, just because he doesn't like xenophobes? 

My character treats xenos same as the NT does, the asset and a cheap labor. He will protect them and will arrest them, if the need arises all the same as the human crew, but that doesn't mean he has to like them or hide his dislike towards them. I see it as an arbitrariness and subjectivity from the captain to suspend him for merely calling them what they are, while not making any unjust activities towards the xenos crew members in my character turn. 

Also, I feel like this "xenos loving" environment is just taking a pretty much interesting Role play element of a society that have just recently discovered a new alien species and is yet to learn to work alongside them, by taking another element from the difference of xenos from the usual crew, making them even more of a human characters with tails from perspective of the rest of the crew, in my opinion. 

Edited September 13, 2019 by CuthbertIsHere