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[Retracted] IPC Species Maintainer - Scheveningen

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Notes are stored via congruent IP/CID hits, they are not merely assigned to a player's ckey. Even if I did delete other byond accounts, why would this even matter?

Furthermore, I did not delete my byond account anyway, it is just inactive from not logging onto it for a great amount of time (I lost the credentials to my old ckey anyway due to my old email attached to it also being lost). Due to how inactive accounts on byond work, they appear as though they don't exist and thus cannot be viewed through the byond profile viewer. It's simply shitcode on their end.

38 minutes ago, Bygonehero said:

Even admins would have difficulty if not impossibility in recovering notes from a deleted byond account or forum account. If repetative behavior is what overcomes the time in which it occurred why have you gone to such lengths to hide your past from everyone, including admins if not to hide it?

I quite literally have not made any attempt to hide anything. Characteristically, I have always been too lazy to even consider doing that, despite having learned how to do it over time and with some Google searches, it is far too much effort for absolutely 0 payoff as I am not a griefer or a ban evader.

 On-server, notes and bans are assigned to 3 separate factors, the ckey, the IP, and CID (ban database's way of uniquely identifying a computer). The first is the most easily changed, the second requires a small amount of effort to spoof or just to simply move away from your previous location or use a laptop. The CID requires much more effort to change for a single computer, or a new computer outright. Skull can come in and correct me if I'm technically wrong in any of these regards, but this was what I learned being a mod on CM and the information carried over to CM. I am by no means an expert but I can safely at least say I know the bare minimum of what I'm talking about. It is an extreme effort to truly evade the notes system, and if I truly wanted to escape accountability, I probably would've found a way to do it a very long time ago. But here we are, as it turns out, I'm a lot less clever and practical than you seem to think I am.

From my transition from the first account to the second, I was fully aware of this system being in place, and did not care because I did not leave due to being banned in the first place nor was I particularly intent on causing trouble when I came back. Therefore, due to the nature of the notes system, the 2 factors from previous appearances of my IP and my CID rounded up to automatically identify me and also port my old notes to my current byond account. So, whatever accusation or shade you're attempting to throw at me as some reason to claim that I've attempted to evade bans or delete my past, it does not stick. There have been no instances in recent history that I recall deleting anything I ever said whether it was for good or ill, so I do not understand what you're attempting to do here.

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I can't vouch for Schev's lore writing abilities. I've read it, and I think it's great, but it isn't up to me to decide if it fits and works.

What I can tell you is I'd feel COMFORTABLE with going to Schev about IPC issues, verses others that have applied. They give off that sort of personality that, to me, is pretty approachable. I like how Schev works.

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If we're giving our simple personal opinions on Schev as a person, then I have to regrettably state my opinion is the opposite of Satins's. I would feel very uncomfortable with Schev on the team. I do not feel Schev is an approachable, friendly, or even tolerant person. I find them often abrasive, and very hard to speak with. In fact I have had to have Schev blocked for literal months because he would try to bait me in public. I avoid Schev as much as possible. If Schev were on the IPC lore team, I would actively seek someone else to approach about my concerns and issues, because I am not comfortable talking to Schev in most situations.

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15 minutes ago, zyymurgy said:

In fact I have had to have Schev blocked for literal months because he would try to bait me in public.

It's morein been months since the two of us have actually directly spoken to one another over discord, considering we had one another blocked for quite awhile. If you want to discuss specifics over discord DMs then hmu, if not then I respect that and won't have an issue with it.

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Lets keep this on topic, if there is further tossing of insults/accusations then you are going to be warned, as this is your warning. Keep it relevant or dont post

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7 minutes ago, DRagO said:

Lets keep this on topic, if there is further tossing of insults/accusations then you are going to be warned, as this is your warning. Keep it relevant or dont post

This is on topic. I am discussing his behavior, and I am of the same mind of Zymurgy, I cannot see myself going to Schev for anything, since he goes out of his way to confront people in DMs over round actions as he did me. Over the course of my posts, I believe Schevs behavior has not changed, they have simply gotten better at hiding it.  This accusing me in DMs happened a month ago, not years ago. Players should not seek reprisal themselves, least of all should they harass someone on discord. Admins exist for that reason.

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I didn't accuse you. In fact, the situation you're talking about is something you got permanently banned from the server for (you know, harassing my friend and abusing your role as AI, and then giving ahelps a major blasting?), because I gave structured pieces of evidence that the administrators decided to compile with additional log-diving, and they believed it was in the best interest of the community to permanently ban you with a four-week appeal limit.

https://forums.aurorastation.org/topic/12715-player-complaint-contextualpennant

There's a particular conflict of interest that I've identified at this point because you're attempting to stick this fear that I'll lash out with retribution against anyone I don't happen to like. Not only do I not care enough about grudges to even do that, but you're assuming what I will do based on what you got permanently banned for. The worst part is that you claimed to have apologized to me for that situation and that it was all supposed to be water under the bridge on both sides, but now that I know you still harbor issues about that, it isn't just water under the bridge.

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2 hours ago, Scheveningen said:

I didn't accuse you. In fact, the situation you're talking about is something you got permanently banned from the server for (you know, harassing my friend and abusing your role as AI, and then giving ahelps a major blasting?), because I gave structured pieces of evidence that the administrators decided to compile with additional log-diving, and they believed it was in the best interest of the community to permanently ban you with a four-week appeal limit.

https://forums.aurorastation.org/topic/12715-player-complaint-contextualpennant

There's a particular conflict of interest that I've identified at this point because you're attempting to stick this fear that I'll lash out with retribution against anyone I don't happen to like. Not only do I not care enough about grudges to even do that, but you're assuming what I will do based on what you got permanently banned for. The worst part is that you claimed to have apologized to me for that situation and that it was all supposed to be water under the bridge on both sides, but now that I know you still harbor issues about that, it isn't just water under the bridge.

You entered DMs with me telling me I was wrong for doing things that round. Imagine if every admin or lore dev did that because they don't like what someone did to them in round. It is very much accusing, and giving you more power to act on it is something that I can't see doing. As for the apology on my end, it was a truthful one, but I just don't see you being acceptable lore staff When there are rules about reprisals and behavior more stricter than normal. There is a difference between accepting you and yours as a person and accepting you and yours as a lore staff. The former I have done so, the latter I have not. 

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7 minutes ago, Bygonehero said:

You entered DMs with me telling me I was wrong for doing things that round.

To which not only did Contextual and I (who quite literally were doing nothing wrong and there was no reason for you to force yourself between our characters interacting) disagreed, but after review of the administrators they believed you did wrong for things you did that round. I mostly find it ridiculous that your only point you're trying to drive here is to complain about the tone I held with you after you essentially metagrudged me and Contextual because you saw something that happened that you didn't like. If that were to happen to anyone else in this community I wouldn't be demanding they be all sugary, spice and nice either.

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4 minutes ago, Scheveningen said:

To which not only did Contextual and I (who quite literally were doing nothing wrong and there was no reason for you to force yourself between our characters interacting) disagreed, but after review of the administrators they believed you did wrong for things you did that round. I mostly find it ridiculous that your only point you're trying to drive here is to complain about the tone I held with you after you essentially metagrudged me and Contextual because you saw something that happened that you didn't like. If that were to happen to anyone else in this community I wouldn't be demanding they be all sugary, spice and nice either.

I was not banned for metagrudging. Were you an admin with the facts, you would know this but instead, and this is the biggest problem with you schev, you assume you know things, despite not having evidence towards it. I believe at this point nothing good can come from continued discussion about this. I have said my peace. 

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Was going to give a +1, but I'm changing it to neutral after being baited by Bygone, ignoring the moderator asking not to derail it, and then continuing the issue into a different thread. Sometimes, Schev, you gotta let it roll off your back. I can't know that your behavior will be sound as a Lore Dev, but I don't know how much of an effect Bygone has specifically, so I'm unsure.

Good luck regardless.

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The usual response to this kind of synth play would be a straight up ban from that role. Given the fact that you clearly used IC means to take out your own OOC issues on them baffles me. You where caught doing shit, you where asked about why you are doing shit and your solution was to blame it all on another player. First ICly, followed OOCly in the ahelp and now on the forums.
In addition your notes paint a really clear picture about you not keeping IC issues out of OOC and raging / salting frequently makes me question why you are not banned from OOC chat by now. Doing it the other way as you did in this round shows me that you have trouble dividing the two. You managed to ruin the round for someone who mainly plays as stationbound up to a point where they outright asked in the ahelp if your AI behavior was acceptable for this server and that they wouldn't bother to play as a stationbound anymore if it was.

Statement made by Cnaym. Just because the ban message isn't specific doesn't mean you were not banned for it. This is the last message I'm replying to you specifically, Bygone, but please stop attempting to bait.

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