Staff Complaint - Alberyk

[Alberyk]

6 hours ago, Garnascus said:

Can you for transparency's sake walk us through the investigation you did here once geeves posted his request?

I asked geeves about who it was that contacted him and looked more into the situation. As far I got, the person that bauser contacted did not really want to come foward and relayed this stuff to geeves that made the ban request. As you can see, it is pretty much him going on them for something that happened in game, and then after they stopped talking, coming back later to prod them over it.

[Bauser]

8 hours ago, Garnascus said:

I am afraid i just do not agree that the pattern we see here is a mis-characterization. In this thread even you seem to have a fantastic ability to whitewash the interactions you had. The screenshots posted by snake show it to be FAR far more than " i just said he could not mathematically prove god exists". So while i admit that the ban request was handled quickly and i am more than a little uncomfortable at the lack of specific evidence in that appeal i cannot in good faith say you should remain here as a member of this community. I am sorry dude. 

It's a mischaracterization because they paint the issue as broadly ongoing, instead of visibly better and getting better. They have outwardly stated that they look for ways to get me punished, and when they confront me, they keep pointing to things that happened in 2018. If I'm whitewashing events, it's because I haven't had the luxury of actually being able to look back and see them. As before, it happened in 2018 and I was already punished for it and toned down. Is it not unfair that they can continually re-punish me for it?

Additionally, the forum ban I received while soft-banned was my misunderstanding about the criteria of "being involved" with the thread, completely unrelated to any malice. I thought I was doing a good thing, trying to help out someone who had been wrongly accused (as determined by the resolution of that topic). And obviously I know better, since then.

Are these things more "toxic" than singling me out for over a year and hunting me down because they want to hate me forever? It is very relevant that the stated purpose of the ban request was a crusade against someone's idea of toxicity, when that person has shown to exercise significantly more ill will against me (going outside of the rules to punish me).

You can see for yourself, the level of adversity I have faced and continue to face in terms of putting my best foot forward when people have each individually gone out of their way to make me suffer. They want you to believe that I can't be a constructive member of the community because the reality is they have fought to stop me from proving I can.

How much this place means to me, and how much effort I put into it, cannot be overstated.

Alberyk is not correct in saying the event reference in the ban request is "pretty much [me] going on them for something that happened in game." You can see in the larger messages I shared with Sharkatk (posted earlier in the thread: https://i.imgur.com/xy12VSI.png , https://i.imgur.com/xYxdNkg.png) that I was exceedingly kind and gentle when explaining how their rule-breaking behavior in-game (constantly choosing to pursue deadly threats and entering into danger) was negatively affecting me. The thing I "prodded" them about was how they compared me to an abuser for that comment ("are you incapable of not dying"), and said they were cutting contact with me even though I thought they were a very good friend (since we talked every day and shared a lot of interests and he got me something for Christmas). The fact that Alberyk's interpretation of events was entirely filtered through Geeves (since Sharkatk did not come forward) is relevant.

I know I've done things wrong. But I've been visibly been doing better, while people who hate me have been doing worse and worse. Is "toxicity" really what you're fighting here? Because I promise, getting rid of me is not going to solve anything. If Schev and Geeves and Goret will all openly admit that they still hate me with the same passion and bloodlust as the first day I did something wrong, is that really my fault? If you look for reasons to hate and subjugate people, you will always find them.

[Bauser]

@Garnascus: Based on your two most recent posts, you decided that I should not remain as a member of the community, and then you began investigating the legitimacy of the ban that this topic was created to address. Isn't that completely inappropriate?

I would like to comment on some of your observations.

Point 3: I was banned from the server by Alberyk at the start of 2019. I want to note that the cause of this ban was not an event which happened on the server. It's not mentioned in the note, but just like this time, Alberyk applied a server-ban for activity which was not on on the server.

Point 4: In March, I tried to appeal my forum ban and was denied. This is not an offense.

Point 5: In May of 2019, I was given the soft-ban role on the server so that I could appeal. This is not an offense.

Point 6: Since that role also showed me other threads, and I wasn't told that I wasn't allowed to use all the access given to me, I mistakenly responded in an unrelated complaint thread because I was helping someone out with relevant feedback. This is not related to attitude or toxicity.

Point 8: Geeves makes a ban request against me and Alberyk permanently bans me. Alberyk says he looked into it, but he did so without speaking to either of the people involved (myself, or the person I allegedly harassed). Instead, he only spoke with a person who requested my ban and (as I have proven) who conspired to punish me outside of the rules in August of this year. Note that the event in question did not happen on the server, and was not in response to anything happening on the server.

[Alberyk]

23 minutes ago, Bauser said:

Point 3: I was banned from the server by Alberyk at the start of 2019. I want to note that the cause of this ban was not an event which happened on the server. It's not mentioned in the note, but just like this time, Alberyk applied a server-ban for activity which was not on on the server.

If you keep causing trouble in the community as whole, we do have the right to fully remove you from it. Not an excuse at all.

[Garnascus]

6 hours ago, Bauser said:

@Garnascus: Based on your two most recent posts, you decided that I should not remain as a member of the community, and then you began investigating the legitimacy of the ban that this topic was created to address. Isn't that completely inappropriate?

Im saying its an act of God that you where not permabanned forever up until now. Your history is so bad that i do not really want you playing here. 

6 hours ago, Bauser said:

Note that the event in question did not happen on the server, and was not in response to anything happening on the server.

Doesnt matter. We have the right to ban you from our community if you continue to exhibit problematic behavior related to it. I do not really know what else to say here other than i cannot lift this ban. 

[Arrow768]

10 hours ago, Bauser said:

Point 6: Since that role also showed me other threads, and I wasn't told that I wasn't allowed to use all the access given to me, I mistakenly responded in an unrelated complaint thread because I was helping someone out with relevant feedback. This is not related to attitude or toxicity.

I would like to note, that our forum rules include these two points:

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You may also request to be assigned to the "soft-banned"-role. This role allows you to file a unban request or staff complaint regarding your ban, however you may not use the "soft-banned" role to access any other part of the forum system.

Violating the forum rules while using a proxy or the soft-banned role will result in a punishment being escalated to our other platforms, such as the server and discord.

 

[Bauser]

9 hours ago, Garnascus said:

I do not really know what else to say here other than i cannot lift this ban. 

You can if you have any respect for the rules or the principles they're meant to embody. So far, you allowed a cabal of random people to make this complaint a nebulously defined exploration of their undying hatred of me, and then you decided the outcome of the complaint based on that grudge, before asking Alberyk a single question about it. In this way, you clearly fell into the same pitfall Alb did.

The fact that you made your decision before asking Alberyk to explain his action (which you admitted made you very uncomfortable) proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that this process is nothing but a show - it's a performance being put on to convince people (and convince yourself) that there are checks and balances in place to protect them, when in reality (based on these "judgments" so far), the rules can be wielded like personal weapons to abuse people that certain individuals don't like, without regard for the community at large.

You say my history is so bad that you really don't want me here, when my history is cursing at a couple people over a year ago (which I acknowledge was wrong and have not repeated), and accidentally posting constructive feedback in a thread where I wasn't allowed to. Over a two-year period. During which I have been in the server pretty much every single day, widely getting along with people and working to have fun and help others have fun. You said it's an "act of God" that I wasn't already permanently banned, so you decided that punishing me more was the correct outcome, no matter what actually happened.

It proves that there has yet been no substance to these "investigations," because you and Alberyk and a handful of people who I don't even interact with, all decided that I need to be gotten rid of, no matter what.

@Skull132 should see this whole thread and timeline of events- if not for me, then for the next poor sod who falls in the crosshairs. It's not right to do things this way. The evidence clearly shows: I had a bad attitude a while ago, I realized I needed to be more cautious, and I got better while some people I initially offended conspired to axe me. And eventually, someone holding a brutal grudge found an excuse to consummate his hatred with this ban, and Alberyk accepted it uncritically.

And now, Garn, you accepted those things uncritically. Your portrait of me as a toxic person is founded just on the colorful pictures painted for you by this circle of people who admit they could never, ever be happy with the fact that I improved and contribute positively, because they view this as me "getting away with it."

I struggle to find many more words. A brief summary should suffice: Geeves, who has conspired to punish me outside the rules in the past, posted a ban request on extremely tenuous grounds because he personally doesn't like me even though I don't interact with him. Alberyk put the ban in place less than an hour later, without speaking to me or the supposed victim. I made a complaint about it, then some other people I don't interact with showed up to talk about how much they've hated me for a long time too, and Garnascus appears to have decided his ruling on the complaint before he even asked the banning admin to come up with a justification for it. All of these things are undeniable facts with proofs exhibited in this topic.

[Alberyk]

I believe that you should consider the fact that you got banned from the forums, discord and once from the game because we had nowhere else to ban you from, might be a small hint that you might have a problem with your behavior, not that people are conspiring to get you.

[Faris]

1 minute ago, Alberyk said:

I believe that you should consider the fact that you got banned from the forums, discord and once from the game because we had nowhere else to ban you from, might be a small hint that you might have a problem with your behavior, not that people are conspiring to get you.

Seconded.

[Bauser]

55 minutes ago, Alberyk said:

I believe that you should consider the fact that you got banned from the forums, discord and once from the game because we had nowhere else to ban you from, might be a small hint that you might have a problem with your behavior, not that people are conspiring to get you.

You have to keep re-litigating things that happened a long time ago in order to cover up the fact that this ban was a whim based on people holding an impossible grudge against me and can't accept the fact that I've improved greatly. You have to keep re-litigating things that happened a long time ago to cover up the fact that you skipped over the rules and jumped straight to assuming my guilt in order to punish me. Who's really breaking the "Don't be a dick" rule here?

You have to keep saying "the fact that I banned you is evidence that you should be banned" because when you actually put all the evidence on the table, it's not a laundry list of evil like you pretend it is. The evidence outwardly shows I have been unfairly targeted after I made those mistakes. If you want to talk about "toxicity" and "making people feel unwelcome," you should probably start with the people who went out of their way to abuse their authority and punish me on other platforms because they were unsatisfied with how severely the actual server staff punished me. I'm just a scapegoat: an easy, uncontroversial thing to blame so that you don't have to actually confront any challenging responsibilities - the responsibilities that are entrusted to you.

[Sytic]

5 hours ago, Bauser said:

Who's really breaking the "Don't be a dick" rule here?

You have to keep saying "the fact that I banned you is evidence that you should be banned" because when you actually put all the evidence on the table, it's not a laundry list of evil like you pretend it is. The evidence outwardly shows I have been unfairly targeted after I made those mistakes. If you want to talk about "toxicity" and "making people feel unwelcome," you should probably start with the people who went out of their way to abuse their authority and punish me on other platforms because they were unsatisfied with how severely the actual server staff punished me. I'm just a scapegoat: an easy, uncontroversial thing to blame so that you don't have to actually confront any challenging responsibilities - the responsibilities that are entrusted to you.

Your entire argument for almost the entire thread is "no u".

This is really hardcore deflection, Bauser. You have the opportunity to be a better person if you just try to accept your mistakes rather than deflect more of them. You say you've improved, but the proof says otherwise. Then you say you're being targeted by several individuals, but this still isn't accurate- I could hardly care about you. I'm not some guy who schemes all day with their nice conspiracy board going "Nyeh heh heh, How can I screw over Bauser today?" I'm some guy who had an issue with you, a prominent one, and had a bunch of evidence against you, which I brought to the table.

If you honestly think anybody had a grudge against you to this degree, why would you think you got so many second chances that tried to hold faith you'd grow up and be a better individual, which you repeatedly proved you just could not do?

Also, the "people who went out of their way to abuse their authority and punish me on other platforms because they were unsatisfied with how severely the actual server staff punished me. I'm just a scapegoat: An easy, uncontroversial thing to blame so that you don't have to actually confront any challenging responsibilities - the responsibilities that are entrusted to you."

Is it that easy to believe, that everybody is acting in a shadow cabal against you, rather than accept all the evidence against you that is genuinely relevant to each "other platform" that people banned you from? I am genuinely serious when I make this statement. I am incredulous. 

[Garnascus]

Locking and archiving. I consider this resolved. I will be re-applying the forum ban.