BurgerBB Posted January 10, 2020 Posted January 10, 2020 I assume that the borer sprites remain largely unchanged from what we used to have and it's still that grotesque oversized worm that was designed for /tg/ servers with organic races. I recently saw an addition that excludes a good chunk of races from being infected with borer, and I think that's some pretty bad gameplay. I think it would be better to make it so that Borers are actually robotic spiders or something that latch onto your spine instead. They would send signals to the nerves for organics and just upload code directly for inorganics. I don't know if Aurora has this, but the only way to defeat a borer inside a body is pretty convoluted if you don't know already (sugar + morphine) while machines are more obvious (EMP). I think them being a machine is better, more realistic, and way more flexible than an organic when it comes to their powers and abilities.
Carver Posted January 10, 2020 Posted January 10, 2020 Nanomachines are cooler and make more sense so why not.
MattAtlas Posted January 10, 2020 Posted January 10, 2020 Generally not a fan of there being a catch-all way to instantly get rid of an antag. Like sugar/morphine's effects on borer were removed. Pretty open to a nanomachine spider kinda thing however. With some sprites I'd be behind it, just with the stipulation that they wouldn't be affected (or slightly affected) by EMPs.
Carver Posted January 10, 2020 Posted January 10, 2020 If EMPs were to have an effect, let it be forcing them 'back into the head' if they're currently in control of the body. It'd be an expensive use of EMPs but a viable one.
WickedCybs Posted January 10, 2020 Posted January 10, 2020 Echoing the above two. If it's a change that's made, they shouldn't be fried. Weakening the dynamic duo sounds pretty alright. I don't really hate the slugs though.
niennab Posted January 10, 2020 Posted January 10, 2020 Given that IPCs are to varying degrees left alone during vampire or ling rounds, I would love to see this or some variant of it implemented.
BoryaTheSlayer Posted January 10, 2020 Posted January 10, 2020 While I very much see the appeal in them being mechanical, I think borers being organic is a large part of their identity as it is right now, and I must say that I enjoy them in their current state immensely. I don't really see why would we need to change them so heavily just for the sprites.
Roostercat Posted January 10, 2020 Posted January 10, 2020 I love organic borers, but I also like this idea. My goofy ass would suggest having a 50/50 chance of either mech or organic borer but that would likely not work in the eyes of others. That being said, mech borers would allow IPCs to be got and would make it slightly more sensible. It also reminds me of swarmers, which i like.
Kaed Posted January 10, 2020 Posted January 10, 2020 (edited) I don't really like the idea. IPCs don't really have the emotional capacity to create a particularly interesting brain slug scenario imo. This is a scenario where there is an invader in your *brain*, one of the most intimate violations of self. Even in our canon they mostly emulate emotions rather than feel them, so how exactly are they supposed to respond to their simulated brainspace being modified? Start glitching? Lament that their primary purpose is being subverted? Not to mention the cringy nature of unexplained sentient machine parasites in a setting where AI and positronics simply aren't capable of that. I don't really believe in trying to hamfistedly make antags as inclusionary as possible. This probably isn't news to anyone that saw how hard I fought against cultist IPCs back when that was a thing. People playing races that are non-standard, like diona and synthetics, aren't going to have the same opportunities as the species who are sharing the same biological aspects, like being a bipedal organic creature with blood, DNA, and a central nervous system. They can still be included in antagonist activities, without being bloodsucked or brain slugged. There are a world of possibilities of both antag cooperation and robot/diona heroism to explore that have their own unique properties without making them have the same experience as all the other races in every borer or vampire round. If you want to play a borer round and get brain slugged, then play one of the majority of races that can support one instead of trying to get us to change the entire thematic to something awkward to support more inclusion. I wouldn't even be opposed to a round type that featured diona or IPC antag exclusivity, except for the problem where hardly anyone fucking plays them and therefore it would hardly ever work. Edited January 10, 2020 by Kaed
Carver Posted January 11, 2020 Posted January 11, 2020 I don't particularly want this for the IPC inclusion, I want it because I'm dead-tired of organic body horror antagonists.
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