[Accepted] Nanako's Head of Staff application

[GreenLightbulb]

In the past, I have seen Nanako do various questionable power-gamey things, mostly with the whole knowing-multiple-jobs thing. That is, however, in the past, at least from what I've seen. Nanako Magojiro has become one of those names on the manifest that make me happy when I see them. I know they know their stuff, and I enjoy working alongside them. Solid plus Juan from me.

[Lucychan42]

I'm delighted whenever I see Nanako Magojiro on the roster, as it's helpful to know there's someone who knows what they're doing alongside me. I've had to run a few rounds where I was teaching EMTs how to mix Tricordrazine in a beaker while performing surgery and goodness if that isn't scary then I don't know what is, cause that brute damage wasn't gonna go away.

Point being, it's nice to have someone who's there helping me out, and she's a wonderful help. She has my +1, even if it's overshadowed by other concerns so far. And I like a bit of stubbornness, too; there's a point of never backing down, but also one of being confident. I've done that IC more than enough, just having a head to where I'm adamant that I have to save someone, that I won't give up, and that's an attitude that has saved lives on my end. There are definitely situations where it becomes worse, but in a medical setting, it's a good idea to have that mindset of "this is going to work one way or another."

[Guest]

I can't say that I can support this at this time. The last part is important but I will detail that in a bit.

The major issues I've seen from both Nanako, but more importantly, from their characters, is the vicious and almost unwarranted amount of arguing I've seen from them as a subordinate as their boss, when they get told to do something differently in terms of preferred procedure. The roleplay expectation is that, when your boss tells you to do something, you damn well better do it or hand in your resignation. Says that in Failure to Execute an Order for corp regs, funny enough. Even Baystation agrees. It's on our wiki, so the lore agrees. Therefore, there's no excuse for a regular employee to refuse to follow through with a rather sensible order. The boss is assumed to hold better credentials than the employee does, and even if you think they don't, they pull rank and the employee does not. In particular, the issue was regarding medication either being condensed in pill form or bottle form. I made the case that forcing someone to ingest a chemical while they're unconscious is next to impossible especially when they're in shock, and administering careful chemical doses via syringe, hypo or dropper is far more convenient and less resource-wasting than using pills. I've had to do CPR on someone who seized up from shock before, their joints lock and their jaw is super difficult to pry open. They are clenching every muscle at once, as was described to me after 911 parameds arrived and did a better job than I could ever do. Back on topic, those pills were in 15u doses (and per pill that is a fucking massive waste of dosage and it's a risk that those chems can be easily wasted if the EMT holding them gets killed, spaced or list) Nanako ignored my (sternly worded) advice anyway despite the fact I gave much more fathomable roleplay reason as to why using liquid from the bottle was preferred over pills. Plus, pills are for prescriptions. Not for emergency medical treatment. One bottle in liquid form of dex plus will allow you to save much more people in the long run than if you were to stuff 2-3 pills each of the Holy Sevenfold Chemicals of Great Emergency Medical Restoration into a single pill bottle.

I should also mention that ingestion as opposed to injection is half as efficient as the latter. That means, if you have a 15u Dex+ pill, you've just wasted half of it once you administer it. Code simulates stomach acids breaking down half of the compounds in the pill and only applying the other half for metabolizing, if it's a medicine effect. Overdosing doesn't change, of course. My CMO mentioned all this... aaand was ignored. Left a fairly bad taste in my mouth. Subordinates should ignore the advisement of their bosses, because it's rarely phrased to say "You're allowed to defy me" and I don't believe I presented that as an option. Usually, when a manager gives you advice on how to do something, you should probably do it lest they get pissed off with you and cut your pay.

Now, why does this matter?

Because if you can't give respect to your bosses and follow orders to their intent, you have no place giving orders and there's no obligation for your employees to respect you.

I mentioned I would return to an earlier point. As of now, I've not seen any indicative behavior that you've changed, yet. There is always room for improvement, but that takes time. My advice: Listen. Ask questions, be professional about the way you go about asking them, ensure you know what your boss wants so you're always in the right place when the tough gets going. Keep your cool, refrain from bursting out loud when it's unnecessary. Stubbornness, contrary to popular belief, has more deficiencies than it has merits. You won't impress people by being bullheaded. You'll just piss people off if you just come up and decide you're in direct control and you don't wish to consider the capabilities of other staff and their methods of doing things. There is always a right way to do things. Make the right decision.

[Nanako]

My CMO mentioned all this... aaand was ignored.

I remember this event. We spent like 20 minutes discussing things, you didn't order me to use liquids.

I assumed we were having a friendly professional discussion about medical methods, you weren't ordering me to do things your way. We both had arguments, we both made them, neither side convinced the other, and i didn't feel you were obligating me to do things your way, so i carried on doing mine.

I would have used liquids if you'd ordered it. It seemed like we were just discussing our personal opinions, perhaps there was a misunderstanding about the implications of that conversation.

Because if you can't give respect to your bosses and follow orders to their intent, you have no place giving orders and there's no obligation for your employees to respect you.

I was giving you plenty of respect, and holding a fairly intellectual, civil conversation with you, which has always been a mark of respect in my book

 

There is always a right way to do things.

I disagree. As i tried to explain in that conversation, a pill bottle allows me to hold fourteen dose (of varying medications) in a single inventory slot, Inventory management is a major issue for doctors, and i can't often spare three inventory slots for dexplus, bicard, and dermaline. there's no right answer here, pills vs liquids comes down to several factors

[Taintedglory]

Am going to through my hat in now. After getting a chance to RP with you a few times, Im going to have to say No. -1

I dont like the way you try to force yourself to be incharge of everyone, and do everyones jobs for them. I've experienced this atleast three times with you, where you try to tell me how to do my own job when you are in a completely different department. That alone bothers me. But then when you are in the same department you like to think yourself immediately in charge of it and try to order people around. That bothers me too. So...

-1

Change your attitude is all I have to say

[Guest]

I actually really enjoy Nanako's characters, for the pro's that Arrow shared, and as someone who has been in command for four years, including maining CMO for a few months, I +1 this application, I'd prefer Nanako's characters to many of the heads we have now.

[Butterrobber202]

I have had mixed experiences with Nanako, she can be pushy and hard-headed, even if she is 100% wrong, (which is a trait we share, woo Stubbornness!) But with the Interactions I have with you in Medical, you seem really dictator-ish. And, no offense or anything, the Nanako in Medical Mary-Sues... alot.

As for your RP Skills, I'd say that were avg. at best. Being in Command is a huge burden to bear, you have to think about how,when, and where your actions will affect others. Because, as a command staff Whitelistee myself, I always try to think how this will effect the Station, before deciding Yes/No.

Tbh, I'm on the Fence with you, I would recommend trashing the Nanako Family project, they are all to... Similar. Show me you can RP with diversity, and I'll throw a +1 your way.

[MagnificentMelkior]

When I came out of hiatus on aurora, I came into a medbay full of incompetent lesbians. Nanako Magojiro was a nurse at the time, and her colored hair and commanding nature (as a nurse, particularly) made me profile her as one of them. So my first impression was bad. But after seeing Mediko on in less chaotic times, I noticed that she was actually very robust, and was, ultimately, a force for good in medbay. Now that lesbay 2.0 has been, it seems, fully eradicated, I can say that I'm glad that Nanako was in medbay when she was, and I believe that the harsh nature was necessary in order to socially dominate the medbay staff. It takes a bitch to handle a bitch, or something. Back then I would not have approved her as a head of staff, but she's come a long way very quickly since then, and unfortunately most people judge based on their memories, not projections of the future. My whitelist was dogpiled for this reason, as well.

I give a +1, because I know that if you became a CMO today, you would very quickly adapt to the role and be a good one, regardless of what you may have done a month ago.

Also I like Seciko.

[Nikov]

I have never seen someone so dedicated to doing their job perfectly, and Nanako has come a long way from when she set these first impressions. I met a lot of initial resistance on my whitelist app as well, and much of it was considered ultimately invalid because it was directed at a character and not the player's ability to adjust. Can Nanako the player assume a positive leadership role? I believe she can.

+1

[pickled_tomato]

I've seen Nanako around quite a lot in all of her different iterations and I've even spent entire rounds with her on occasion. Those rounds have been some of the most memorable rounds I've played. Nanako's very good at being a leader in my opinion and I'd love to see her as a CMO. +1

[Owen]

Alright so, I have thought about this application a little bit, spoken with some other people about why they wanted you to have a Command whitelist.

I have seen Medical Nanako in-game a little more and had a chance to interact with them more. I am going to change this to a +1 because I think you do have potential as a Head of Staff but I still don't like having so many Nanako.

Anyway, +1 on this. I hope you will cut down on all of the extra Nanako.

[DatBerry]

I dont know if i replied yet but im too lazy to check

Nanako handles things well and doesn't hold any grudges.

She's got the knowledge to be a CMO, and it would fit mediko's bossy nature more.

Though i wish nanako axeojiro used the fireaxe less, the thing went from a display only item to a more frequent solution than medibots, maybe limit it to code red/very dire situations.

While id like less nanakos, i do notice the difference between them, i dont really like engiko and seciko, but mediko and serviko are nice to have around

+1 from me

[UnknownMurder]

I finally mustered the courage to speak out against the players who has downvoted this application.

Let me ask myself the questions to answer the criteria of the application with my opinion.

• Is Nanako a Good Roleplayer? YES.
  
  
• Does Nanako display teamwork skills in her job? SOMEWHAT LEANING TO YES.
  
• Does Nanako displays leadership skills in her job? YES.
  
• Can Nanako become the Chief Medical Officer and show that she can do the job? YES.
  
• Why is Nanako trying to become the Chief Medical Officer? IN ORDER TO PROVIDE THE MEDICAL DEPARTMENT AN ASSISTANCE AND GUIDANCE.

 

Can we do it? Can we trust Nanako to perform a splendid job as the CMO? YES, WE CAN.

 

(I'll be honest as a trial staff from what I have seen, I'd just prefer you to make unique names other than Nanako [LAST NAME], then we're cool. It's hard to keep up with Nanakos. I mean, I like you as a friend/player but this is just one thing everyone wants you drop it. )

+1 RETRACTED.

NEUTRAL.

Edited May 25, 2016 by Guest

[LordRaven001]

-1 From me

Every experience I have had from the many Nanako's has left me with a sour taste in my mouth, They are literally all the exact same and are always rude to my specific characters and others I have seen, When I saw them as the Interim CMO They refused to listen to anything I suggested and was very stubborn on their set ways, On their Janitor Character every single round they always implant themselves with a death alarm implant which makes no logical sense why a Janitor would steal from medical to implant themselves, On their medical character they are of many traits and roles (EMT,Chemist,Doctor,Surgeon) all which each require high age that their character doesn't have, They would have had to start at the age of 16 to get all of those degrees and employed as those positions. and have done a lot of questionable things, I don't think their ready for this in the slightest, They need to learn to adapt to other peoples scenarios and situations, as-well as take suggestions from others. They also force themselves on others trying to do their job and acting in a rude manor that is really unbecoming of an inspiring head of staff whitelistee. I don't want to see all of the nineteen thousand Nanako's in heads of staff positions, Nor do I want to see a CMO That will take over my job for me instead of providing guidance.

Since I am in the business of receiving feedback, I will give you some Nanako.

You need to learn to accept others ideas,situations and scenarios better, You need to drift away from all the millions of Nanako's there are as its really immersive breaking for myself and I would presume others.

I fully think you need to spend a few weeks reflecting on your attitude towards others who disagree with you, And on how your characters know a little too much for immersion

Sorry, Work on it and ill change my vote in a heartbeat, Yea?

[Nanako]

-1 From me

The timing of this post totally isn't coincidental. Taking this personally?

 

When I saw them as the Interim CMO They refused to listen to anything I suggested and was very stubborn on their set ways,

In that round as interim CMO, in the short time i held the position, i was busy dealing with categorising the three mysterious corpses in medical, attempting to clone them, and setting records. I largely only interacted with a couple of people, the chemist Micka, and that sex-offender paramedic who turned out to be a changeling and murdered me when i went to medical storage. Not sure if you were either of them, if you were someone else i don't recall at all. After that round, the captain who appointed me (Xander) felt i'd done well enough to come here and post positive feedback

 

On their Janitor Character every single round they always implant themselves with a death alarm implant which makes no logical sense why a Janitor would steal from medical to implant themselves,

think i did this about 3x when i started playing her, i don't do it anymore and haven't for a week or two

On their medical character they are of many traits and roles (EMT,Chemist,Doctor,Surgeon) all which each require high age that their character doesn't have,

I don't do chemistry. Surgery is done by specific admin approval (Garnascus). Nanako Magojiro has been through several rounds of revision with regards to skills, admins have clarified exactly what she is and isn't allowed to do

 

They also force themselves on others trying to do their job and acting in a rude manor that is really unbecoming of an inspiring head of staff whitelistee.

Do any particular incidents come to mind?

 

I don't want to see all of the nineteen thousand Nanako's in heads of staff positions, Nor do I want to see a CMO That will take over my job for me instead of providing guidance.

In that round as interim CMO, i did the CMO's job. Sorting medical records, filling out forms, organising my team and issuing guidanceI was only doing cloning because of a dire shortage of doctors (we had a paramedic and a chemist, no doctors), i didn't feel like i did anyone's job for them

[Redfield5]

Don't tell me how to do my job. I know that someone might have bruises or injuries, but I don't need you always running into the Brig in an exosuit, trespassing under the guise of "medical emergencies." Hell, you once let a prisoner jack the exosuit when you had no reason to be in Communal in the first place.

-1, until you learn to stop shoving me halfway across the station while you're in an exosuit. I can't do shit

[Brightdawn]

I sat here for a long time struggling with myself whether to make another post but I feel I have some stuff that really does need to be said I’m sorry in advance for any Drama this causes.

My suggestion is still a -1 but I feel I should talk about some of the points why:

Nanako is manipulative:

I tried to be friends with Nanako I really did but the only time Nanako treated me like a human being and not a machine to pump out work was when she wanted something.

Often our conversations would start with her trying to make me do something and only if I refused or said I was busy she’s start being nice, someone who’s whitelist should be a representation of the best of a server and if this is our best then we’re fricked.

A huuuuge example of something that I personally find /really/ not cool is how she PM'd me trying to change my -1 to a +1 while pretending to be my friend, I'm really not okay with that sort of thing and it seems incredibly manipulative that she was only nice to me when she wanted me to post nice stuff on this app in particular.

Nanako is too stubborn:

I don’t think there are too many people who’d argue this with me, but it bares repeating, trying to get Nanako to concede anything IC or OOC is a herculean task, Heads should improve RP make it fun for everyone, having to spend the entire shift arguing about whether to call then Bandages or Gauze or some asinine thing like that really would kill a lot of fun.

In my own experience I ended up having to argue really silly things almost everyday with her, Passion is fine but making people genuinely feel terrible over the width of Jam Jars isn’t.

Nanako is Lazy:

This one is maybe the weakest point but its one I think I’ve had the single most experience with, Nanako is outright unwilling to do anything herself, if you need evidence of this look at the suggestions forums.

They’re willing to throw out ideas and even how to do them but refuses to do them herself leaving it up to the dev team to pick up the slack.

Nanako is a Weak Roleplayer:

This is the one I’ve had the least experience with it but the bits I have really do paint a poor picture of Nanako’s RP ability.

I know this is a term thrown around a lot but the Nanako’s really do exemplify the term “Snowflake”, all of them might be unique and special but the differences are so small you’ll need a microscope to see them so they all end up looking the same.

I’d also argue that there is very little realistic about a group of psychic clone who all seem to share skills and relationships, it’d be really worrying if this is the standard of RP we set for the server by giving Nanako a whitelist.

Again I’m sorry for any drama this causes but I really think giving Nanako a whitelist would be a /terrible/ thing for the server as it stands

Edited May 16, 2016 by Guest

[Mofo1995]

Originally, I was going to remain out of this interestingly controversial thread, but I now feel that I should properly weigh in. I am going to cast my vote to a -1. While Nanako (ICly and OOCly, mind you, just so that there is no confusion which I'm referring to) clearly understands seemingly every branch of medical besides possibly the defunct genetics, I don't think they're (ICly) proper for a head of staff. Primarily for IC reasons surrounding Nanako Magojiro. Yesterday I was privy to a display that was, quite frankly, one of the most childish and immature spectacles I've seen on the server since a chaplain had a book called Guy's Gone Wild that he was flashing to everyone.

Richter was teaching my medical intern how to do surgery, but when Essel came aboard, she took over since she was a surgeon and Yefemiy wanted to be a surgeon one day. After she took over stewardship, Richter and Nanako took the observation room. At this point, everything is fair enough, and Dr. Essel decides that the privacy shutters should be closed so that we don't feel the pressure of nearly all of medbay observing everything. Okay, fair enough, but Nanako decides her and Ricther absolutely must observe the surgery, and gets the shutters opened. I'm sure she had her raisins, so still, no complaints at this point but then Essel stands firm and closes the shutters again. I think you can see where this is going. Back and forth they went, and meanwhile Yefemiy is sitting there just trying to tune it out and learn surgery while they went back and forth over this seemingly minute issue. Finally, Magojiro came in and hopped up onto my sterile table where I needed to put my surgical tools down and wanted to watch from there. After some brief argument, she gets down and steps over the anesthetic closet where she is then locked in by Essel. As Yefemiy was sitting there trying to operate on a monkey surgery subject, she began shaking and battering the locker trying to break it, making a massive clatter and saying it'd be a shame of the anesthetic locker was broken. All of this ultimately led to both of them being called away to the CMO's office and me sitting there with a borg for thirty minutes while they sorted it out. Regardless of who was right or wrong, the entire display was absolutely poor showing by the primary involved parties.

There was another issue a long time ago where someone needed prosthesis. Shkor, figuring he knew robotics and prosthesis, attempted to perform the procedure, but Magojiro insisted on a tug of war to decide who should do it, while the patient was standing there without a limb, and Shkor had the prosthetic and could just do it. After awhile of tug-of-warring, we finally put the patient under, sawed off their stump, and added the prosthetic. Sure, she could've done it or Shkor could'v done it, but the issue is that I was right there about to do it and was held up for a long time because they asserted I was unqualified and that it was their job. I was willing to believe this was water under the bridge until the above previous incident.

I think there's a difference between being competent, taking charge and showing leadership, and being woefully bull-headed, overly assertive, and immaturely bossy. While she may know everything there is to know about medbay, I think these qualities of making mountains out of every mole hill are a severe issue which I can already foresee are going to make a significantly less-than-synergistic command team. I can already see the power trips and arguments over authority and jurisdiction breaking out over command comms, and shudder to think of the IRs that could come of it. Do I think it's bad roleplay? Absolutely not, I think Nanako is an interesting and career driven character who tries very hard to be the best at their job. But, I don't think Magojiro should be a head of staff for the listed concerns, at least yet. They've come a really far way from how they used to be, and now that I'm done tearing into their character, I can confidently slip in a condolence that I think it is within NanakoAC's capabilities to be a good head of staff after these edges are not necessarily smoothed out completely, but just toned down.

[Nanako]

Nanako is manipulative:

I tried to be friends with Nanako I really did but the only time Nanako treated me like a human being and not a machine to pump out work was when she wanted something.

Often our conversations would start with her trying to make me do something and only if I refused or said I was busy she’s start being nice, someone who’s whitelist should be a representation of the best of a server and if this is our best then we’re fricked.

 

FWIW, i don't want anything from you, i never have. I was trying to direct you towards productive things because you kept asking me for advice. I have plenty of discord logs showing you repeatedly coming back and asking me for input on things, or what you should focus on. I don't ask you to do things for me, you asked me for direction and i tried to point you in a productive one

 

A huuuuge example of something that I personally find /really/ not cool is how she PM'd me trying to change my -1 to a +1 while pretending to be my friend, I'm really not okay with that sort of thing and it seems incredibly manipulative that she was only nice to me when she wanted me to post nice stuff on this app in particular.

 

pretending? i figured we were friends, you said lots of nice things in our private conversations, and thanked me for being there to provide advice and help you with stuff. You even put in a personal recommendation on my behalf, that lordraven put on my record. In the short week or so that we've known each other, our discord log goes on for tens of pages at least, we spent a lot of time talking about a myriad of things and shared a couple of personal details. Forgive me for the apparent misconception that we were friends.

I made that request in a discord conversation which YOU started. As you often did, if we werent friends why did you keep coming back to me?

I was asking you because i thought we'd cleared up the misunderstandings that you mentioned in that post in the first place, it was entirely about a conversation that happened in ooc one afternoon.

If you want to drag personal issues into my application, ill happily post our entire history of discord logs for all the time we've known each other, and let people judge how they will. I've nothing to hide.

 

In my own experience I ended up having to argue really silly things almost everyday with her, Passion is fine but making people genuinely feel terrible over the width of Jam Jars isn’t.

feeling 'genuinely terrible' about anything is on your end, i didn't call you names, insult you, or belittle your work. I conceded that you were going to do things your own way and stopped trying to advise. That was definitely a bit passive aggressive, but if being deprived of my attention made you feel genuinely terrible, it's because you attached yourself to me like a lost child. I've no idea where that came from, and it seems to have vanished as quickly as it came

 

Nanako is Lazy:

This one is maybe the weakest point but its one I think I’ve had the single most experience with, Nanako is outright unwilling to do anything herself, if you need evidence of this look at the suggestions forums.

now this one is just plain wrong.

In the ~2 weeks since i joined staff working on the wiki, i've made 150 contributions to this page alone https://aurorastation.org/wiki/index.php?title=Guide_to_Chemistry&offset=&limit=250&action=history

That page is all me, i built it from the ground up.

and i've tested, cleared up, corrected and added more info to everything on this page: https://aurorastation.org/wiki/index.php?title=Guide_to_Food_and_Drinks

In these past two weeks i've worked my ass off, literally putting in 8-hour shifts of spending all day testing, recording, collating and formatting my results for wiki updates

The entire history of my wiki contributions can be found here: https://aurorastation.org/wiki/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Nanako

 

They’re willing to throw out ideas and even how to do them but refuses to do them herself leaving it up to the dev team to pick up the slack.

Wrong, I've been unable to get the code to compile at this point because the current aurora codebase is not compatible with byond version 510, I can't test anything i do, so i've yet to submit any pull requests. Instead i've spent the past few weeks learning about how everything works indepth. I've reported a significant number of bugs here: https://github.com/Aurorastation/Aurora.3/issues

And for many of them, i've pointed out how to fix it, including the lines of code that need to be changed. As you should know from being a coder yourself, the hardest part of debugging is figuring out what and where the problem is. Then the second part is thinking of a solution. Actually typing the code to implement it is the easiest part, and that's all i've left undone in most cases

Many of my suggestion threads are a form of to-do list, as well as a means of gathering feedback on ideas, because i believe strongly in giving everyone a voice. The ones that are popular and not controversial, are ones i plan to work on myself, once skull finishes the current dev cycle and makes the aurora code compatible with byond 510

You got upset and blocked me on discord yesterday, because of this thread: http://forums.aurorastation.org/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=6040

You tried to put down my idea as being technically impossible, and denounced defending it as stubborn. I've linked the documentation there which shows how to implement it quite easily by adding an extra variable to each sound call,

It might be a good idea to reopen communication channels if you have concerns about me, i feel like a lot of your concerns aren't applicable to this application

[Nanako]

Richter was teaching my medical intern how to do surgery, but when Essel came aboard, she took over since she was a surgeon and Yefemiy wanted to be a surgeon one day.

Fwiw, she had no right to interrupt our lesson or take over. She had no authority, and just bullied us out of the room

 

Okay, fair enough, but Nanako decides her and Ricther absolutely must observe the surgery, and gets the shutters opened.

At this point, i had suspicions that it was a cult round and that someone in medical would get murdered, i didn't want to let people out of my sight, but especially Claire Glimmer. She's my student, i teach her whenever i'm in medical. To have our lessons interrupted to take her off to learn surgery was odd. But to have THAT lesson interrupted and both interns just taken by another surgeon was silly. She was being passed around like an object, and i wanted to keep an eye on her. She's emotionally fragile, and i did in fact find her crying in the bathroom later.

I also suspected that Dr Richter was a cultist, and i didn't want to be trapped in a little room with him, without someone watching.

 

Finally, Magojiro came in and hopped up onto my sterile table where I needed to put my surgical tools down and wanted to watch from there.

I stood on a table to not take up floorspace, so as to be out of your way. The section of table i chose to stand on, is the one where the drill and fix-o-vein go. Two tools that are very rarely used, and that i was 99% sure you wouldn't be needing for your monkey.

 

After some brief argument, she gets down and steps over the anesthetic closet

Which is another out of the way spot that poses no threat to anyone.

where she is then locked in by Essel.

Which was both a childish and illegal thing to do. Why wouldn't i try to escape from that? It's kidnapping.

Regardless of who was right or wrong, the entire display was absolutely poor showing by the primary involved parties.

I wasn't sure what else i could do, honestly. Essel is pigheaded and impossible to argue with, which i know from working with her. Throwing her out wasn't going to work (I'm talking about the character here, not nursie as a player)

It was also necessary for me to observe the surgery because Essel is a lazy and unothordox surgeon, bordering on incompetence. She didn't even anaesthetize the patient, despite my poiting out that it was important for the interns to learn anaesthetic procedure. I didn't want her teaching bad ways to do things as the only authority in the room.

She was clearly upset with this oversight because she has things to hide. she's not thorough and her work has a lot of flaws that can be pointed out. She wanted to look good infront of the newbies and establish some kind of social dominance. I didn't want to let that impact on claire's education.

As far as i was aware, you were richter's student, i wasn't going to interfere with you, but as long as claire was there, so were my interests.

 

There was another issue a long time ago where someone needed prosthesis. Shkor, figuring he knew robotics and prosthesis, attempted to perform the procedure, but Magojiro insisted on a tug of war to decide who should do it, while the patient was standing there without a limb, and Shkor had the prosthetic and could just do it. After awhile of tug-of-warring, we finally put the patient under, sawed off their stump, and added the prosthetic. Sure, she could've done it or Shkor could'v done it, but the issue is that I was right there about to do it and was held up for a long time because they asserted I was unqualified and that it was their job. I was willing to believe this was water under the bridge until the above previous incident.

That was a long time ago, and it's not something i'd do again.

IIRC, i wasn't the only driving force behind that incident, there was another surgeon who wanted to do it, and i was simply supporting my department. I think we also compromised on letting you come in and observe the surgery

[Zundy]

This thread is diamonds.

Perhaps some staff might want to step in? Perhaps approve/deny?

[Mofo1995]

Fwiw, she had no right to interrupt our lesson or take over. She had no authority, and just bullied us out of the room

I made no authoritative stance on who I thought was in the right here. Who was over Yefemiy while he was trying to learn mattered much less than the amount of racket the dispute over who was presiding over him created. No where did I say Essel was A-okay in this situation, I believe their reciprocity was unprofessional.

 

At this point, i had suspicions that it was a cult round and that someone in medical would get murdered, i didn't want to let people out of my sight, but especially Claire Glimmer. She's my student, i teach her whenever i'm in medical. To have our lessons interrupted to take her off to learn surgery was odd. But to have THAT lesson interrupted and both interns just taken by another surgeon was silly. She was being passed around like an object, and i wanted to keep an eye on her. She's emotionally fragile, and i did in fact find her crying in the bathroom later.

 

ICly there was absolutely no reason whatsoever to believe that there was a murderous death cult on the research station. No one in medical had been attacked by robed men with swords, no magical powers were reported, no ghosts teleporting around, no bloody runes, or golems, or even talk of a new religion or Nar'Sie. Even if you had every OOC reason to believe it was a cult round, ICly you had none. There was a incompletely hacked nanomed+ in medical... that was it. The entire round, despite little to nothing in the way of violence happening, you were extremely paranoid constantly saying you had a bad feeling, and thought something was off. You later went to the chapel and reported strange runes on the floor, that was the first public indicator that there was a cult, and even then chaplains are always drawing runes on their floors. Protectionism of Claire Glimmer is another matter, perfectly justified. By all means, you had every right to be protective of her, especially if she's your student. But the suspicion that there was an evil religiously fanatical cult on the station that might murder your crew members with no in-round precedent of cult murders at all screams metagaming to me at the top of its lungs.

 

I stood on a table to not take up floorspace, so as to be out of your way. The section of table i chose to stand on, is the one where the drill and fix-o-vein go. Two tools that are very rarely used, and that i was 99% sure you wouldn't be needing for your monkey.

 

At the time we had moved the fix-o-vein to the bone setter spot and the drill to the bottom left corner of the port operating room. The spot you were standing on was where I was using to keep my hemostat and retractor. Technicalities aside, it's understandable you may not have gotten a proper observation of this with the shutter battle that was shaking down, can't blame you too hard for this.

On the subject of being locked in a locker by Essel: Again, I would not side with her on this. I felt you were both being extremely childish, not just you. I can't really respond to criticisms against Essel as I'm not them and I did not come here with any intent on shining a positive light on them in this situation, your attacks on their professional being could very well be true for all I know, I've only been operated by from them once or twice a long time ago, I can't characterize their medical prowess. My most extensive interactions with them are in science, so I can stand up to how they hold up in xenoanatomical studies and research, but that has no credence here.

On the subject of the prosthesis: I've got little to add, mistakes happened I suppose, I only outlined it because I felt it showed consistent behavior over time. And again, this incident was not bad RP, it was good conflict RP if anything, but it was at the expense of the patient.

[Nanako]

ICly you had none...despite little to nothing in the way of violence happening, you were extremely paranoid constantly saying you had a bad feeling, and thought something was off.

No, but Dr Magojiro suspected something was up.

There was the fact that someone died in engineering at the start of the shift, and the entire engineering department seemed to be covering it up, telling people to shutup over the radio when they commented. The AI reported seeing only a pile of bones as what was left of the victim. All of engineering was also called into a bathroom later on, which is definitely unorthodox.

And Dr Richter stumbled into medical with mysterious burns, and an escuse that sounded like it was made up on the spot about fiddling with electrics. Despite the fact that most electrical injuries Dr Magojiro treats are burns to the hands, these were on his chest. He was also carrying a toolbelt around which isn't normal for doctors, and he seemed awfully keen on getting the interns into a secluded surgery room. And i heard a few odd sounds coming from maintenance now and then which seemed out of place

I just didn't like the feel of the whole thing.

[LemonTheFruit]

Originally, I was going to remain out of this interestingly controversial thread, but I now feel that I should properly weigh in. I am going to cast my vote to a -1. While Nanako (ICly and OOCly, mind you, just so that there is no confusion which I'm referring to) clearly understands seemingly every branch of medical besides possibly the defunct genetics, I don't think they're (ICly) proper for a head of staff. Primarily for IC reasons surrounding Nanako Magojiro. Yesterday I was privy to a display that was, quite frankly, one of the most childish and immature spectacles I've seen on the server since a chaplain had a book called Guy's Gone Wild that he was flashing to everyone.

Richter was teaching my medical intern how to do surgery, but when Essel came aboard, she took over since she was a surgeon and Yefemiy wanted to be a surgeon one day. After she took over stewardship, Richter and Nanako took the observation room. At this point, everything is fair enough, and Dr. Essel decides that the privacy shutters should be closed so that we don't feel the pressure of nearly all of medbay observing everything. Okay, fair enough, but Nanako decides her and Ricther absolutely must observe the surgery, and gets the shutters opened. I'm sure she had her raisins, so still, no complaints at this point but then Essel stands firm and closes the shutters again. I think you can see where this is going. Back and forth they went, and meanwhile Yefemiy is sitting there just trying to tune it out and learn surgery while they went back and forth over this seemingly minute issue. Finally, Magojiro came in and hopped up onto my sterile table where I needed to put my surgical tools down and wanted to watch from there. After some brief argument, she gets down and steps over the anesthetic closet where she is then locked in by Essel. As Yefemiy was sitting there trying to operate on a monkey surgery subject, she began shaking and battering the locker trying to break it, making a massive clatter and saying it'd be a shame of the anesthetic locker was broken. All of this ultimately led to both of them being called away to the CMO's office and me sitting there with a borg for thirty minutes while they sorted it out. Regardless of who was right or wrong, the entire display was absolutely poor showing by the primary involved parties.

There was another issue a long time ago where someone needed prosthesis. Shkor, figuring he knew robotics and prosthesis, attempted to perform the procedure, but Magojiro insisted on a tug of war to decide who should do it, while the patient was standing there without a limb, and Shkor had the prosthetic and could just do it. After awhile of tug-of-warring, we finally put the patient under, sawed off their stump, and added the prosthetic. Sure, she could've done it or Shkor could'v done it, but the issue is that I was right there about to do it and was held up for a long time because they asserted I was unqualified and that it was their job. I was willing to believe this was water under the bridge until the above previous incident.

I think there's a difference between being competent, taking charge and showing leadership, and being woefully bull-headed, overly assertive, and immaturely bossy. While she may know everything there is to know about medbay, I think these qualities of making mountains out of every mole hill are a severe issue which I can already foresee are going to make a significantly less-than-synergistic command team. I can already see the power trips and arguments over authority and jurisdiction breaking out over command comms, and shudder to think of the IRs that could come of it. Do I think it's bad roleplay? Absolutely not, I think Nanako is an interesting and career driven character who tries very hard to be the best at their job. But, I don't think Magojiro should be a head of staff for the listed concerns, at least yet. They've come a really far way from how they used to be, and now that I'm done tearing into their character, I can confidently slip in a condolence that I think it is within NanakoAC's capabilities to be a good head of staff after these edges are not necessarily smoothed out completely, but just toned down.

 

I actually opened those shutters as the AI. Essel was being very childish, and I figured it'd be productive to the crew if others were able to observe. I wasn't told to stop, so I just kept at it.

[Guest Complete Garbage]

Just want to point something out:

 

If you want to drag personal issues into my application, ill happily post our entire history of discord logs for all the time we've known each other, and let people judge how they will. I've nothing to hide.

 

I'd say that's at least a little manipulative :/