[INACTIVE]Complaint on Nia Synder (Abendorth)

[sonicgotnuked]

BYOND Key: SonicGotNuked

Game ID: bSebWf

Player Byond Key: Abendorth

Staff involved: It was but alb gave me the ckey of them

Reason for complaint: I started the round and I was surprised for my first ninja round. So I decided to act peaceful at the beginning and escalate the force. I powerjacked an APC to test my stuff and I agreed to come with security to the brig. I started telling my backstory that I made up and discussing about plans to make good RP with the mods in AOOC. I Eventually needed a charge and security gave me a crowbar and followed me down to tool storage for a screw driver, Nia Synder was one of the three people. I started wondering the station and allowing sec to follow me so I can explore. After a while, beepsky started sicking me down and I did not have time to type. Exept for Nia not turning off the damn robot she told me to lay down and pulled out a taser to "Keep me from running." She failed to understand the reason I was running was because of beepsky. Yes I could of pulled a sword and distroyed it but I knew that would piss off security. I run away from beepsky and this happens

So I run further and stop to type to try and explain to Nia on why I was running from the obviouse sorce and she starts to hand cuff me. It worked due to my gauntlents being off due to earlyer RP.

I get dragged to sec and I start ahelping, no response and I complain to alb in AOOC. Then I end up getting dragged from the brig (I was thinking to medical to for them to take off my suit) They drag me to robotics and I start resisting the cuffs and snoop decided to be a good sport and let me do it. So I teleport out and ran into maintenance, then started draining APCs to recharge doing a wild goose chase. Due to security I teleport behind the HoP and yell at them to call off security. I was planning on cutting their leg off and I had them in a strong grip with the leg targeted. It ends up slitting their throat. I run to departures and teleport into space floating off to get a breather and talk in AOOC about what happened. I eventually hit the construction sight and get inside the teleporter room to recharge my low power and knowing security was on full lethal. I teleport to teleporter room and grab a hand tele while. AI calls two borgs and ash and all three aim at me so I use the hand tele and end up at the bridge. They all follow it and Nia is their firing lethal at me. I yell to stop but they kept firing at me. So I dead man switched and blew them all up because I refuse to RP with them if I do survive. Dead chat faced on how shit that was for security and it shows the power gaming behavior with Nia for arresting me for running from beepsky and hand cuffing me while I was typing ending the antag round and ruining my first ninja round that I attempted to make good RP with.

Approximate Date/Time: Oct 5 4-6 PM -7 UST

[Garnascus]

yeah this is pretty suspect...I will wait for abe to post there side though before i make a judgement.

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

I was playing the round in question as the CMO Fereydoun Nioathi. I did not see the behavior of Nia Snyder specifically at the incident but the same behavior was coming from the Captain, who's name was Sam, I believe. The decision was made by the Captain to take them to robotics to surgically cut off the suit. The Captain also claimed he was justified in murdering and cremating the ninja if he wanted.

The Captain may have told Nia Snyder to take the behavior she did, or encouraged it.

[AttyZ]

I was watching this as a ghost, I can confirm that during the situation there were -minimal- attempts to stop beepsky from actually assaulting what, up to that point, was a peaceful but slightly uncooperative antag, who was just trying to meet the needs of her character. She wanted to do more RP but beepsky chased her around the inner ring, while the security had lethals out in code blue. Once she was away from beepsky she was stopping to try to type and the only person who followed, approached her with a lit stunstick, began to push her, and started bashing her with the stick while she was typing, 'capturing' her with total powergaming. After that i kinda had to do something irl, but came back to her getting chased to some sort of unfinished facility by the security team. They literally ran her all along the maintenance tunnels till she had no other choice but to space herself, the entire time begging them to stop and listen and they did nothing but fire on her repeatedly.

[Taintedglory]

I was playing the round in question as the CMO Fereydoun Nioathi. I did not see the behavior of Nia Snyder specifically at the incident but the same behavior was coming from the Captain, who's name was Sam, I believe. The decision was made by the Captain to take them to robotics to surgically cut off the suit. The Captain also claimed he was justified in murdering and cremating the ninja if he wanted.

The Captain may have told Nia Snyder to take the behavior she did, or encouraged it.

 

I ordered them to take the Ninja to get the suit cut off after it escaped. At first, I was fine with it going around the station doing its Antag stuff, until it started teleporting around to elude Security.

I never want to purposely remove anyone, including antags from the round. Just moments after the time Raymond, Me, The IAA, and the CE were holding a meeting to discuss what do fully do with the intruder, The intruder apparently cut Haniras throat and went hostile. Once Hanira was confirmed not dead, I went back to detainment over killing, with a strong emphasis on removing the suit.

As for murdering it. Yes, Sam doesn't hide behind special words or coy sentences. If someone comes onboard the station and does bad things to our station, our crew, or our money, we have full rights to murder them if detainment fails, yes? Sam doesn't try to cloak the words. He was being direct and to the point about what will happen if the Ninja did things such as slitting the HoPs throat, as it did.

I gave not a single order to Nia. Raymond was trying to control his team and wasn't getting and response from a portion of them, and was getting alot of backtalk from them. So alot of them were acting on their own actions.

[Snoopy11]

I played Legatus this round, I brought the Ninja in peacefully, and even accidentally let the ninja escape after being baton'd down while apparently typing.

I wasn't fan of what happened, myself. But I will post to back up a couple of members of sec that round. When the detainment happened with Nia, Legatus, Lukas Chapman, a Unathi officer, and the HoS were meeting in the briefing room to discuss how we can detain them, get the suit off of them, while doing so with reasonable escalation of force. However they were brought into security just as we agreed to an action plan.

We were ordered to take the ninja to robotics, to have the suit removed. This is where the, quote unquote, accidental releasing happened. This is where the escalation went to lethal, as they went to the HoP's office and had slit the HoP's throat. Though later, we offered the Ninja many times and gave them many opportunities to submit to security, as they had been wounded. We got no reply, as such they were assumed critically wounded or refusing.

The AI reported they had gone through the teleporter. I, and Nuk3 the other borg, met up there to go through, where upon I told the crewmen to not go through as it may go to space. I go in, cue Nuke appearing, then another officer, before a fourth. Nia Syder, and Ashley Dawnguard- there was a little OOC pause here, while the ninja got to grips with the hand tele. They ran, using the hand-tele, which went to the bridge. People shot, and stunned the ninja down. Deadman's switch, the bridge goes up in flames.

This was my side of things, I felt there was reasonable escalation from my side, the HoS', and the Captain's. I don't believe all of security was the issue here, but a select few- admittedly this report is about a singular person, but I felt I should add myside of things for anyone who needs the short-story.

[DatBerry]

I was the one who gave you the ckeys, but correct if im wrong, wasnt most if not all of your complaining about ashley dawngaurd for stunbatoning you while you were typing? Now they aren't even mentioned in the report.

Nor has the name been brought up in the thread.

[sonicgotnuked]

We got no reply, as such they were assumed critically wounded or refusing.

Was floating in space and I was out of comms range

I was the one who gave you the ckeys, but correct if im wrong, wasnt most if not all of your complaining about ashley dawngaurd for stunbatoning you while you were typing? Now they aren't even mentioned in the report.

Nor has the name been brought up in the thread.

I looked back up the logs and nia was the person who started shooting me I also had no idea about the captains orders. I feel ashley was just following the flow and I seen minimal action from her. All the batoning was done from nia.

I ordered them to take the Ninja to get the suit cut off after it escaped. At first, I was fine with it going around the station doing its Antag stuff, until it started teleporting around to elude Security.

I attempted to RP it out and keep out of lethal ninja mode but security forced my hand after they took me down to robotics

Ninja did things such as slitting the HoPs throat

I agree that I slit their throat but as I said, it was pure accident. I know that can not be voided but before that I was cuffed and taken down to robotics "For running" from nia. I was acting peaceful untill my hand was forced to go lethal. But all the escalation was from Nia power gaming.

The Captain also claimed he was justified in murdering and cremating the ninja if he wanted.

The Captain may have told Nia Snyder to take the behavior she did, or encouraged it.

If that is the case, I want action taken against them too

[Taintedglory]

I already posted that I didn't encourage Nia valid hunting before Hanira slits throat or after Haniras confirmed being alive. At first, my orders were to hunt you down once Hanira had her throat slit. But once Hanira was confirmed alive, I switched back to Detain. I did actually have them try to hunt you down but I didn't encourage any shittier RP from the hunt. ALso after you deadman switched I tried to get you in an MMI so you would still be in the round.

[sonicgotnuked]

deadman switched I tried to get you in an MMI so you would still be in the round.

Thanks for the effort, but I probably would of survived it but I was sick of that round already.

[sonicgotnuked]

Bump bump? It has been 5 days now....

[Garnascus]

nothing i can do until get nia's side.

[Faris]

So I've been a bit neglectful in posting here, I was the HoS this round "Raymond Hawkins", my memory is a bit unclear about the entirety of the round but I'll try to answer with what I recall.

So yes, the Ninja Aiko was found and then brought to security for questioning, both Stefanie and I were asking, the story provided to us seemed highly unlikely so we had a few scenarios in mind one of them being a corporate espionage/attempt, or at least a very bizarre one.

My initial orders was to keep the Ninja in place while we discussed a course of action, before I could return and further discuss this with the Ninja, either the Ninja escaped or was let out against my current standing orders, communication was mostly unclear. So with that, I tried to establish a task force which composed of Sslanzir Yinzr, Lukas Chapman and Legatus to try to bring in Akio, we discussed methods and exchanged other pieces of information and before they were even geared, we were informed Akio was detained, but keep in mind I never declared that order so while I had an intention for it to happen, it was never approved to people outside the group of three I previously mentioned.

From what I see from other people's comments, things that I had no insight of IC'ly was that the Ninja was let out even for briefly against my orders, was then arrested by the same people disobeying standing Command orders. Hopefully this clears up a bit with the round.

[Synnono]

Not sure if I'm somehow relevant to this. As for my involvement, I was playing agent Stefanie Matis at the time and participated in the initial interview with Aiko along with Sharp's character Raymond Hawkins.

The two of us had decided that the story Aiko provided was extremely hard to believe. Stefanie's recommendation was to keep Aiko in detainment, or barring that, to keep her escorted by security in low-clearance areas only, and to separate her from her hardsuit, which was revealed to have potential scientific significance in the questioning.

The escalation from that, to a full-lethal manhunt, is not something I was privy to, even with an ear on security comms.

As an afterthought though - the moment Aiko cut someone's throat, accidental or not, would be the moment I would have authorized a lethal response, if I had been in a position to authorize one. Once people get hurt, it's less realistic to expect a non-violent resolution to conflict. It's even less realistic when you flee from people willing to point lethal weapons at you. Resisting at that point is asking to be shot.

[sonicgotnuked]

Not sure if I'm somehow relevant to this. As for my involvement, I was playing agent Stefanie Matis at the time and participated in the initial interview with Aiko along with Sharp's character Raymond Hawkins.

The two of us had decided that the story Aiko provided was extremely hard to believe. Stefanie's recommendation was to keep Aiko in detainment, or barring that, to keep her escorted by security in low-clearance areas only, and to separate her from her hardsuit, which was revealed to have potential scientific significance in the questioning.

The escalation from that, to a full-lethal manhunt, is not something I was privy to, even with an ear on security comms.

As an afterthought though - the moment Aiko cut someone's throat, accidental or not, would be the moment I would have authorized a lethal response, if I had been in a position to authorize one. Once people get hurt, it's less realistic to expect a non-violent resolution to conflict. It's even less realistic when you flee from people willing to point lethal weapons at you. Resisting at that point is asking to be shot.

I was not resisting a whole lot until I HAD to, I AGREED and ALLOWED the three security officers to follow me while I get a battery. I had to run when I was dragged to robotics after Nia arrested me for running away from beepsky or I would have been seperated from my suit, what was a big no no with that characters goal.

[Abendroth]

Alright, sorry it took so long to reply, but I have a job and don't get a chance to play often. Apologies for that, literally just found out this was an issue. Now then, to business. I'll keep this brief.

How the Ninja got out before I detained them: The Ninja kept complaining about the power of his suit, so the Warden got the idea to simply put a battery into the thing. (Not sure how that works myself) and the Ninja was happy with the idea. The Warden supplied a crowbar as asked, then the Ninja asked for a screwdriver. The Warden agreed to get one, but the Ninja, having teleported into the brig lobby during all of this, made a run out the door towards the central hallways. I and another Officer (If I remember correctly) ran after him and found the Ninja in one of the tool storages. We were trying to coax him back into the Brig, but he kept trying to leave and go elsewhere.

Why did I stun and cuff the Ninja?: He was repeatedly, REPEATEDLY told not to run by various people, including myself. Even when Beepsky showed up, we were happy to disable the little bot so it would stop chasing the Ninja, though for some reason it kept turning back on. We even instructed the Ninja on how to avoid Beepsky's wrath, but they kept spazzing out and trying to run away. Again while being told NOT to run. Then the Ninja straight up bolts down the hallway in the direction of the departures, and I gave chase. Not one to give 50th chances, I simply put the Ninja down and dragged them back to Security myself.

I then assisted with the search effort as the Ninja escaped at Robotics, and promptly tried to murder the HoP. Now I admit radio chatter was a bit rapid, so I may have missed the no lethal order, I don't remember seeing an order to just detain. I then heard the Ninja was messing around with teleportation shenanigans, and assisted with trying to chase him through portals. Once we cornered him on the Bridge, I used my (Warden supplied) laser weapon to fire on the Ninja in lethal, since as far as I knew, it was still on the "kill" order.

As far as I was concerned, we gave the Ninja way more chances than we should have, and it ended with the HoP nearly dying. Spend too much time being friendly and he backstabbed us in a very cruel way, when we tried to be nothing but polite to him. So once the kill order was given, I followed it to the letter. I didn't see an order to not kill the Ninja at the time, so if it was indeed given, I'm sorry.

But I must add, can Security not do its job anymore without being complained about? Antag tries to murder someone (even if on accident) and gets killed for it. It's kind of expected, y'know? They're for one, trespassers on private property, and then they kill crew members. If given the order to kill, Security will in fact kill you.

[sonicgotnuked]

The Warden agreed to get one, but the Ninja, having teleported into the brig lobby during all of this, made a run out the door towards the central hallways.

I let security follow and everyone watched as I replaced my battery. Don't see how that is "running"

we were happy to disable the little bot so it would stop chasing the Ninja, though for some reason it kept turning back on. We even instructed the Ninja on how to avoid Beepsky's wrath

It was not being disabled and I did not want to find out what beepsky does when you do lay down. I assumed cuffs so I attempted to get away from it and ran into departures a little in front of medical to help get AWAY from beepsky so I have time to type. While I am typing for you to calm down and try to explain why I am running, You stun, cuff, and drag me to security, After I get to security then I get dragged to robotics for a suit removal

They're for one, trespassers on private property

So? does that give security the excuse to fully detain the ninja and make them do cell RP because they rolled a anatg and "are trespassing"? If so, please have a look at this

I then assisted with the search effort as the Ninja escaped at Robotics, and promptly tried to murder the HoP

I escaped at robotics to try and stay in the round after you gank stun and cuffed me, I took the HoP hostage in a panic to try and calm security down and explain to them while they call security off, that is when I see 6 security gather around the windows and door via the thermal glasses (I was RPing a socially awkward cat who was never around other people so they would not know how to deal with a situation like this) So I attempted to cut the leg off, it bugged and slit their throat. I know that gives security a reason to arrest me BUT before all that there is no reason to arrest me and do a half ass job attempt at turning beepsky off then gank cuff/stun me when I am typing with you yelling "You stop" when I try to explain why I am running from beepsky. I don't know OOC or IC what beepsky does when you lie down and I did not feel to risk it so I ran away from beepsky. If I wanted to lose you, I would of teleported away.

[Synnono]

So? does that give security the excuse to fully detain the ninja and make them do cell RP because they rolled a anatg and "are trespassing"? If so, please have a look at this

 

I continue to be minimally involved in this, but please note that the rule quoted here has nothing to do with internal security wanting to curtail the activities of a trespasser. There was no recognition of Syndicate or Ninja items or origins needed to note the antagonist's non-compliant behavior in this round.

[sonicgotnuked]

So? does that give security the excuse to fully detain the ninja and make them do cell RP because they rolled a anatg and "are trespassing"? If so, please have a look at this

 

I continue to be minimally involved in this, but please note that the rule quoted here has nothing to do with internal security wanting to curtail the activities of a trespasser. There was no recognition of Syndicate or Ninja items or origins needed to note the antagonist's non-compliant behavior in this round.

I pointed it out after they said that it is private property with their "arrest because trespassing" logic.

[Garnascus]

i will reach a decision soon, i have been pretty busy lately.

[DatBerry]

While I am typing for you to calm down and try to explain why I am running, You stun, cuff, and drag me to security

 

correct me if im wrong, but wasn't this ashley dawngaurd and not nia synder? i remember your complaining about this particular incident in ahelps and later in dsay. i hope you're not blaming the collective actions of both on one person.

[sonicgotnuked]

While I am typing for you to calm down and try to explain why I am running, You stun, cuff, and drag me to security

 

correct me if im wrong, but wasn't this ashley dawngaurd and not nia synder? i remember your complaining about this particular incident in ahelps and later in dsay. i hope you're not blaming the collective actions of both on one person.

At the time in the rush I miss took the names. When I saved the logs and had a look, it was from Nia

[HunterRS]

I have no clue if i am still relevant in this, but I play Ashley, I remember Legatus letting the go, but I don't remember the stun stick part

[sonicgotnuked]

I have no clue if i am still relevant in this, but I play Ashley, I remember Legatus letting the go, but I don't remember the stun stick part

They chased after me while I was running away from beepsky.

[HunterRS]

I don't quite remember this exactly, I think I following orders, but I don't quite remember