Dragonspare Posted July 30, 2017 Posted July 30, 2017 For one reason or another it has come to my notice that recently (for some reason) this has been missing from the form number 500: Revised form 303 attached [Y/N]: [field] Myself and some other players of Robotics have had a talk about it. And i don't know about the community or other players of that profession, but i'd like it to be added back. Served a purpose as a wall to check if the people that wanted a willing cyborgification was really right in the head, though most times it works as a way for new people who want to be borged out of boredom or some other reason. That and in our lore borgification is such an important action that things like psychological evaluations and so should be taken of the subject. The final form would look like this: [small] [center][b]NanoTrasen Inc. Civilian Branch of Operation[/b] Form 0500 Personal Release (Cyborgification)[/center] [hr]Facility: NSS Aurora Date: [date] Index: [field] This form entails the personal release of the undersigned employee of the NanoTrasen Civilian Branch of Operation for the process of repurposing the employee’s brain as a biological processor. The undersigned employee, through the act of signing this form, accepts to bear responsibility for any and all effects that the denoted surgical proceedings may entail. Employee: [field] Current Assignment: [field] Revised form 303 attached [Y/N]: [field] Signature: [field] Supervising Head of Staff’s Signature: [field] Assigned Personnel: [field] Research Director’s Signature: [field] Research Director/Captain's Stamp[/small] Note: I'm not sure if the original field that required a 303 form was worded exactly like that, but i got the closer i could out of memory. I know that it isn't certain if it ever was there or not by Alberyk's word on this, either way i'd like it to be there for the reasons stated above.
Alberyk Posted July 30, 2017 Posted July 30, 2017 I am against adding this, cyborgification is already rare and I see little reason to add more obstacles to it.
Skull132 Posted August 2, 2017 Posted August 2, 2017 [mention]ForgottenTraveller[/mention][mention]Senpai Jackboot[/mention] and I've dropped this infront of the admins as well.
witchbells Posted August 2, 2017 Posted August 2, 2017 I'm utterly confused as to why this wasn't already set in stone, because it's how I've always seen it roleplayed. I absolutely support adding to the form that it actually requires a psychological evaluation regardless of how rarely it happens.
Garnascus Posted August 2, 2017 Posted August 2, 2017 I am against adding this, cyborgification is already rare and I see little reason to add more obstacles to it. This is how i have always seen it done. Command members usually require prospective robots to get evaluated anyway. Chaplain should be able to give some spiritual guidance if a psych isnt present.
Guest Marlon Phoenix Posted August 2, 2017 Posted August 2, 2017 cyborgification always goes through command, and the individual is always evaluated at every step since the question "why?" gets asked each time. There is no reason to have them sit in a little office for 10 minutes and then fill out even more forms to get cyborgified. It is a rare occurrence and already has checks and balances since Command can say no for any reason.
Lady_of_Ravens Posted August 3, 2017 Posted August 3, 2017 I'm just going to put this out there: Cyborgification is the next best thing (or possibly the next worst thing) to death. It makes for a good capital punishment alternative for both IC and OOC reasons, and there is a visceral satisfaction to turning a traitor into a janitor borg, but it makes no sense lore-wise for a healthy person to volunteer to have their brain cut out and lobotomized so it can be used to run a robot slave.
Munks Posted August 3, 2017 Posted August 3, 2017 Could it not be established as an alternative to cloning? Building on that, the fact that the player can't be cloned if their brain is put into a cyborg is a gameplay mechanic, not an in-character one. By signing this release to permit cloning after death, it could simply be considered as some sort of "organ donor" permission to release your body for Nanotrasen's use in cyborg manufacturing. If proper procedure entails scanning the corpse beforehand, even if in a meta sense it would be pointless because they wouldn't be able to be cloned, from an in-character perspective it should work and the employee's scan data can simply be considered in holding until the shift ends.
Arrow768 Posted August 3, 2017 Posted August 3, 2017 If you die and you cant be cloned for any reason, by default you can be borgified, that is unless you have a DNB (Do not Borgify) in your medical records. Source: CCIA Announcement Regarding DNC / DNB: This is a reminder that any personnel with a Do Not Clone or Do Not Borgify order are NOT to be cloned or borgified, respectively. Failure to heed these orders is considered malpractice by law, and will be treated as such.
ForgottenTraveller Posted August 3, 2017 Posted August 3, 2017 [mention]Skull132[/mention][mention]Senpai Jackboot[/mention][mention]Arrow768[/mention] Is there a way to check form histories on the WI. I am sure this form used to have that in it.
Arrow768 Posted August 3, 2017 Posted August 3, 2017 [mention]ForgottenTraveller[/mention] No, its only possible to find out who edited it, but not what they edited
LordFowl Posted January 27, 2018 Posted January 27, 2018 As ForgottenTraveller apparently never gave his own feedback on the idea, pinging [mention]Synnono[/mention]
Synnono Posted January 27, 2018 Posted January 27, 2018 For voluntary cyborgifications, a Head of Staff should not sign this release in the first place unless they are reasonably certain of the subject's mental well-being. Which, in the context of anyone but maybe the Chief Medical Officer, would have to come from an expert with the psychiatric qualifications to determine this. The people authorizing the release would ultimately be held responsible for the consequences of the procedure, and it's in their best interests to make certain that it isn't done lightly. While this should (in theory) make some manner of evaluation mandatory regardless, I don't know if I'm entirely supportive of putting a psych eval on the form as its own field. Psych is not a popular role, and the procedure itself is already difficult for someone without a "good" reason to get authorized. Without the extra technical hurdle of another signature, it's still a difficult thing to authorize while leaving more wiggle room for abuse by antagonists.
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