Why can't IPC's be heads?

[Covert0ddity]

giant nearly feral lizard man being in charge of them.

 

Just to call you out on that, Unathi are not all overly aggressive and near feral. While there /are/ extremely hostile, volatile, and gonnafuckyouupifyoulookatme Unathi, they aren't in head positions for a reason. Uaekis is aggressive, yes, and he won't hesitate to use force becuase you're crying, but he wouldn't break your face for pushing him or the like. If you get on his bad side, he'll reg nazi you, but that's about it. He doesn't break Corp Regs.

Basically, Unathi aren't (or at least shouldn't be) heads if they are extremely hostile.

[Guest]

Just to call you out on that, Unathi are not all overly aggressive and near feral.

 

But does the public know that?Does the public care about that?

I am not discussing Unathi as they are, I am discussing Unathi as they are trough the eyes of the human gentry in the IC universe.Who apparently are quite xenophobic and understandably upset at aliens taking their jerbs.

John Doe doesn't like Lizardmen because they're huge crocodile men with the ability to wield firearms.

 

While there /are/ extremely hostile, volatile, and gonnafuckyouupifyoulookatme Unathi, they aren't in head positions for a reason.Basically, Unathi aren't (or at least shouldn't be) heads if they are extremely hostile.

Nanotrasen not only doesn't view its lizard workforce as an expendable resource, but also carefully inspects them to see if any of them would be good in a leadership position.

That's very good and reasonable, Nanotrasen.Obviously, Nanotrasen not being grimderp baby puncher incorporated would extend these same job opportunities to nonhuman employees who happen not to be hardboiled badass take-no-shit CQC specialist "Lay down the LAW on you" womanizers, right?

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

Just to call you out on that, Unathi are not all overly aggressive and near feral.

 

But does the public know that?Does the public care about that?

I am not discussing Unathi as they are, I am discussing Unathi as they are trough the eyes of the human gentry in the IC universe.Who apparently are quite xenophobic and understandably upset at aliens taking their jerbs.

John Doe doesn't like Lizardmen because they're huge crocodile men with the ability to wield firearms.

 

While there /are/ extremely hostile, volatile, and gonnafuckyouupifyoulookatme Unathi, they aren't in head positions for a reason.Basically, Unathi aren't (or at least shouldn't be) heads if they are extremely hostile.

Nanotrasen not only doesn't view its lizard workforce as an expendable resource, but also carefully inspects them to see if any of them would be good in a leadership position.

That's very good and reasonable, Nanotrasen.Obviously, Nanotrasen not being grimderp baby puncher incorporated would extend these same job opportunities to nonhuman employees who happen not to be hardboiled badass take-no-shit CQC specialist "Lay down the LAW on you" womanizers, right?

 

IPC's are unbound AI. The crew can't even handle the station borgs being unbound from their laws or the AI, they're shut down immediately. An AI with no laws would have the crew radicalize to either give it a lawset or destroy it. And that's what an IPC is: an unbound AI. If you let IPC's be Heads, suddenly your boss is an unbound AI while the station AI is only kept from coldly killing you because it's specifically told not to. Only one of my characters would feel less than uncomfortable working for an IPC, and the rest would either quit immediately or be extremely vocal in their opposition.

Affirmative action doesn't include Macintosh computers.

The Unathi have been civilized and are kept under a careful eye, with qualified members of the race being given tentative trial runs as Heads. Tajarans are an exploited, cheap workforce, with a handful being weeded out and plucked into Command positions for their skill while still being paid left and 'locked' in that position as the highest possibility of advancement. Skrell are humanities' ally; the first alien race we met in the stars. There's a friendship there, and we trust them to be good Heads because of our shared history and their proven ability to run departments.

And to be blunt, the IC opinion of "The gentry" of the universe is what the developers and admins say it is when creating the lore. Suspension of disbelief is important here.

[Guest]

IPC's are unbound AI. The crew can't even handle the station borgs being unbound from their laws or the AI, they're shut down immediately. An AI with no laws would have the crew radicalize to either give it a lawset or destroy it. And that's what an IPC is: an unbound AI. If you let IPC's be Heads, suddenly your boss is an unbound AI while the station AI is only kept from coldly killing you because it's specifically told not to.

Bald murderous hulk geneticists are not considered canon.Why are murderboner AI's?

 

Only one of my characters would feel less than uncomfortable working for an IPC, and the rest would either quit immediately or be extremely vocal in their opposition.

Well, that's very good.IC racism is interesting RP, isn't it?

 

The Unathi have been civilized and are kept under a careful eye, with qualified members of the race being given tentative trial runs as Heads.

The same could be said about AI's who have been reliable enough to avoid dissasembly enough to buy their own freedom, and considered competent enough to be subsequently re-hired as personnel.

 

And to be blunt, the IC opinion of "The gentry" of the universe is what the developers and admins say it is when creating the lore. Suspension of disbelief is important here.

 

And it just so happens to be that this IC opinion is always favorable of the races in which the writers have characters.

Il be blunt too.

Is this the background lore of the Aurora universe, or is it a novel with Houssam as the protagonist?Apparently the lore is flexible enough to not only allow Unathi and Tajaran to be excluded from the predjudice held against other species, but also to allow them to have vast criminal organizations all over the station from positions whose holders are generally implanted with a mind control chip, but not flexible enough to allow an AI to go into a leadership position?

Im disbelieving.My disbelief level are off the charts.

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

Why are murderboner AI's?

I didn't say murderbone. I said unbound.

 

Is this the background lore of the Aurora universe, or is it a novel with Houssam as the protagonist?Apparently the lore is flexible enough to not only allow Unathi and Tajaran to be excluded from the prejudice held against other species, but also to allow them to have vast criminal organizations all over the station from positions whose holders are generally implanted with a mind control chip, but not flexible enough to allow an AI to go into a leadership position?

 

Lol what are you even talking about. The only "mind controlled" person associated with the Jawdats works as a manager for a restaurant that Houssam owns. Not exactly Al Capone level stuff there, unless you're really political about serving free bread.

And for his position, Houssam was working IA and moved to HoP before it was decided lorewise that the political mess of Ahdomai will exclude cats from HoP.

Also, I don't write the lore for cats at all. You'll want to talk to Sue. I work on Elyra lore and helped Covert work on bug lore, but haven't touched the cats.

Anyway, nice loaded questions and begging the question there, but robots aren't going to be given leadership positions. If you want that to change, try joining the lore team yourself or successfully creating events where IPC's are able to show the crew they can lead.

[Guest]

Well, seeing as your words are final I believe there's nothing keeping me from saying what's on my mind, and what I have been tiptoeing around.

The main reason IPC's dont get the special treatment Unathi and Tajaran recieve is due to their vast inability to look special snowflake enough to attract the attention of the lore team.

IPC's cant have sculpted Adonis physique, beautiful mysterious scars, amazingly large male endowmends, or irresistable furry double D breasts that jiggle in all directions when placed in a command jumpsuit.They can't have unearthly beauty, or invoke a general feeling of badassery when looked at because they're visually identical.The only way for an IPC to make itself unique is by having an interesting personality - a resource which the Unathi and Tajaran head conglomerate seems to be severely lacking, as their variety seems to cycle between "Snarky and passive agressive" and "Passive agressive and snarky".A resource they do seem to have in abudance however, is the Dick.It's a fact that most Unathi and Tajaran heads are engaged in some hot mutual spaceman loving with someone else, half the medbay staff was married off to them in the future rounds event we ran.On NSS Aurora's bridge, yiff is a form of currency which constantly exchanges hands.Everyone's dating everyone, everyone's fucking everyone, and everyone's married to everyone to the point where rounds where alien heads are abudant on the manifest make me feel like someone's playing Artificial Academy and anyone not on the dick list is background scenery.You're telling me I need to prove to the crew that IPC's can lead, Jackboot.All this while playing the only Tajaran head of personnel on the station (And the only person allowed to play one) who is also the only head of personnel to steal two hundred thousand goddamn credits and start his own little crime syndicate with them.The hypocrisy is stunning.

I believed I could convince you to introduce some flavour into this bland, dull head selection, but now I understand that introducing more interesting variety to the Head positions would divert much needed attention from all the stone-cold, badass alien mobsters/Alien navy seals with over three hundred confirmed kills (And that's only with their bare claws!) and we can't let such a thing happen.You might want to spawn them in deathsquad armor to make sure people get the Memo that they're special compared to everyone else.After all, what use for an alien in a command position if they can't dispense dickings for the medbay staff?I humbly, and honestly apologize for trying to piss on your project to turn SS13 into your very own harem Anime.

Don't bother banning me, Il just go ahead and show myself out.

[Sentient Bowtie]

What.

[Susan]

[Nixed]

[Tablespoon]

You don't need to leave. No one is mad at you or anything. And if they are, it doesn't really matter.

IPCs can't be heads. Other aliens can be certain heads of staff but they aren't put on a pedestal or anything.

I'm wondering why you really want to be a head IPC so badly. You're more than welcome to make a human character a have them be a head (assuming you have the whitelist), and you can give them a bland or robotic personality.

Skull and I are open to discussing this over Teamspeak or some voice chat (Skull here: instant text also works, just something away from the godawful shite of writing paragraph upon paragraph and replying with a paragraph upon paragraph, with 4 points being brought out at once) if you want. Just message us if you wanna set something up.

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

Snipocalypse

 

1. Tajaran females don't have breasts till they're pregnant.

2. ERP is banned.

3. The entire round revolved around an investigation into the 200k theft. Houssam successfully got away with it. RP happened.

4. Harems are gross.

9. You're super passive aggressive and seem extremely bootytickled, and it's more amusing than anything else.

7. Deathsquads don't exist in our lore.

W. It doesn't matter how special snowflake a race is. Tablespoon didn't assign any to me, so I don't work on them, period.

Texas. Only two out of my 8 characters are in a relationship, and is actually professional about it.

69. You should probably sit back, take a deep breath, and remind yourself that this is a spaceman game and IPCs do not, in fact, exist, and because of this they face no real persecution because, again, they don't actually exist.

[Contextual]

Inverted Rectum has actually hit the nail on the head in regards to the current selection of ahuman command staff. They're all special snowflakes who are either omgsoedgy, clark kent, or secretly hitler. The reason he's upset about this is that all of these characters are ludicrously unfit for the positions they hold, and are far and away surpassed by most ipcs in regards to eligibility for said positions. The fact that they continue to hold the positions that they do but ipcs can't is, quite frankly, absurd.

[Skull132]

Inverted Rectum has actually hit the nail on the head in regards to the current selection of ahuman command staff. They're all special snowflakes who are either omgsoedgy, clark kent, or secretly hitler. The reason he's upset about this is that all of these characters are ludicrously unfit for the positions they hold, and are far and away surpassed by most ipcs in regards to eligibility for said positions. The fact that they continue to hold the positions that they do but ipcs can't is, quite frankly, absurd.

 

The two xeno heads of staff that I am actively tracking are Jawdat and Uaekis. Both of them are troublesome, and I, frankly, expect both to be eliminated from the command roster within the next month. If not through IC means, then through OOC means, due to how ridiculous it is becoming for, at least Jawdat, to hold a command position. So, the argument is valid.

However. The argument is misdirected. We are not discussing individuals here. Individuals out of bounds will be eliminated in the long run, as they being targeted right now. We are discussing IC and OOC groupings, mixed together, which does not make for a good result. OOCly, it might be true that some players of the IPC races, like Inverted, are more level-headed and less edgy 2kewl4u than Covert and Jackboot. It does not mean that we should whitelist a race just on these grounds, and unwhitelist a race or two. It simply means that we remove Covert and Jackboot from the command roster.

[Tainavaa]

Holy shit. Skull, that was just about the most unprofessional thing I think I've ever seen you do. Not to mention extremely inappropriate, not only was the discussion not revolving around that, but you gave way more information than was even called for; not to mention that's just ridiculous anyway. It seems you don't really have !FUN! on your agenda for Aurora.

On the subject of IPC heads, IPC's are artificial intelligences that are canonically limited to their programming. They shouldn't be heads, you don't make computers commanders. Tajara and Unathi are sentient beings, and -actually- intelligent.

[LetzShake]

Inverted Rectum has actually hit the nail on the head in regards to the current selection of ahuman command staff. They're all special snowflakes who are either omgsoedgy, clark kent, or secretly hitler. The reason he's upset about this is that all of these characters are ludicrously unfit for the positions they hold, and are far and away surpassed by most ipcs in regards to eligibility for said positions. The fact that they continue to hold the positions that they do but ipcs can't is, quite frankly, absurd.

 

The two xeno heads of staff that I am actively tracking are Jawdat and Uaekis. Both of them are troublesome, and I, frankly, expect both to be eliminated from the command roster within the next month. If not through IC means, then through OOC means, due to how ridiculous it is becoming for, at least Jawdat, to hold a command position. So, the argument is valid.

However. The argument is misdirected. We are not discussing individuals here. Individuals out of bounds will be eliminated in the long run, as they being targeted right now. We are discussing IC and OOC groupings, mixed together, which does not make for a good result. OOCly, it might be true that some players of the IPC races, like Inverted, are more level-headed and less edgy 2kewl4u than Covert and Jackboot. It does not mean that we should whitelist a race just on these grounds, and unwhitelist a race or two. It simply means that we remove Covert and Jackboot from the command roster.

 

Is it really that Houssam is unfit, or is it that you personally have a problem with Jackboot specifically because I've seen a LOT of heads that are blatantly worse that haven't gotten public declarations of imminent death. I've never seen Houssam do anything openly against regulations. If he breaks regulations it's always in a quiet way.

And I don't think Houssam being the only Tajaran head of staff is related to the restriction being heavily enforced, I just think nobody has bothered trying. Hell we had at least one regular Tajaran head of security, and they did way more questionable stuff than Houssam ever did. I think people cling too hard to the "alien heads" restrictions in general.

 

Holy shit. Skull, that was just about the most unprofessional thing I think I've ever seen you do. Not to mention extremely inappropriate, not only was the discussion not revolving around that, but you gave way more information than was even called for; not to mention that's just ridiculous anyway. It seems you don't really have !FUN! on your agenda for Aurora.

 

Well nevermind Taina summed it up nicely.

Also, yes, IPCs are very new and experimental, from an IC standpoint, aren't they? There's probably a load of security concerns about their reliability since they're so new. Tajaran have been in the fold for a while, and Unathi have for a bit as well. Admittedly I don't know much about Skrell and Dionae.

Edited January 4, 2015 by Guest

[Aqy]

I have to agree with Tainavaa here, that comment Skull made comes of as incredibly immature, and as something that definitely should not be posted about on a public forum having nothing to do with it. That's something that should be told to those people in private, and discussed with them. We're talking about IPCs being heads, not whether or not specific people are fit to do a job, and your opinions on what should happen to them.

On that note, I don't agree that IPCs should be heads, given their vulnerability to being turned against the crew, given emags, and then add in if they're captain? That's insanely dangerous, and probably not worth the risk.

[Covert0ddity]

This is amusing.

I'm not mad in the least, no, not at all. I'm really more curious. Skull, why do you honestly think it's necessary to say all those things, on a completely non-related board? I'm going to drop everything about Houssam and just talk about my character for a little bit. Now, I know you have farmed evidence on exactly why I should be removed from head of staff at whatever time for all reasons specified below. I don't really care about that. If you honestly want that to happen, make a complaint.

But, on the topic of you disliking Isilithai OOCly, (as ICly your characters don't seem to have a problem with them, and he doesn't get in trouble with IA) all I have heard from you are a few passive-aggresive, or simply poorly worded comments in OOC and LOOC, about certain things I can't even remember. I understand he doesn't fit in your view of what a head of staff should be OOCly, for x, x, and x reason, but nor do I care. Unless we begin to enforce a strict policy about how heads should specifically act, (And, of course, to your exact liking) then I see no reason to listen to anything people say OOCly about Uaekis, unless it is constructive criticism.

Yes, I understand people hate him. Yes, I know he has a flake background. Yes, he is a dick. And yes, he used to break SoP occasionally when I first started playing him. I've had a single IC complaint filed on me, that was, in my knowledge, completely ignored. I understand why people dislike mean characters. They're not approachable. But I don't care. They're fun for me, and now, as a player of the Aurora Community, I do what I want to have fun. Isn't that what a game is for? As long as I'm not specifically harming other's roleplay, being a total fucking idiot about my backstory, or being unrealistic, isn't a game about having some fucking fun?

I honestly don't see a problem with giving a character a backstory that might be '2edgy4u' or some shit. I don't go around broadcasting that backstory for attention. I don't sit in the bar crying every time I go HoS because 'oh my mate cheated on me years ago' or 'oh I'm an honorless freak.' No. I do my job as HoS. You rarely even see me play, because of the time zone difference. I don't run off and fuck my subordinates on-shift like some other (Read: Human and non-human) heads. I don't abandon my duties to go around flirting with the medbay nurses, and I manage my position to the best of my IC and OOC ability.

If that's not enough for you, the perfect head of any department, then so be it. Strip me of my whitelist. And if you're not trying to convery yourself like you know anything, then I apologize. But it sure as hell feels like it. I enjoy your characters, Skull. I do. And, let's not also forget, that Talon Keir has a syndicate and mercenary backstory. Like Isilithai, he doesn't flaunt that around. Then again, they handle it differently. But still, I enjoy the character, and I enjoy his backstory, because it makes sense, and you handle it intelligently.

In any case. I'll stop talking about it here. Again, if you've realy got a major problem with me, make a complaint. Get my whitelist stripped. Get Isilithai fired. I hope it will be worth it, for whatever vendetta you've chosen to put this server on a path of. And don't take that as rude. I know you're overworked, and I know you're sick and tired of everyone complaining and shit. I get it. And, I also apologize for making this public. I was contemplating saying this in a PM, but I realized you had decided to start this on a public, read: accessible by everyone thread.

[TishinaStalker]

Okay. Do NOT discuss things about you or other characters. That is not the point of this thread. This thread is about why IPCs cannot be heads of staff. With all due respect to everyone, take your quarrels to a different subforum or a third party messenger. If your post doesn't have something to contribute to the topic, then kindly do not add it, and leg it to a different place where it can be relevant. I don't care who started it, and absolutely don't care why ya'll were arguing about something unrelated on this topic. This goes to anyone and everyone that has posted or plans on posting something unrelated to the thread.

[hivefleetchicken]

Holy shit guys they're just two-dimensional pixels

They aren't real, God sakes

[Cassie]

For a heavy RP server, I'm not particularly sensing any signs of a glass ceiling in any regards to Tajaran. For example, for a race that has been enslaved for a long time, there's no signs of slave mentality as a group/culture (apart from the lack of individuality in their speech and mannerisms, and occasionally played out the fact they don't rise up to command very often.)

Slavery is actually srs business and it damages a culture of a group long after it is over.

Post slave syndrome would include:

• Poverty due to discrimination and profiling. Usually a slave masters group retain a mentality where they dislike seeing a formerly submissive class gain feet or "too much ground" because it would signify change - even if they don't actively dislike the individuals.
  
• High/medium criminal rates due to poverty and literacy deprivation based on above reason (on their own home planet).
  
• Because of this, you'll have the more culture-conforming people from the group on the bottom of the ranks, and the most comparable to the dominant culture slightly higher.
  
• Even if they may dislike their former masters, they will see their master's culture as dominant and better than theirs.
  
• Internalized self hatred in regards to culture and self (regardless if aware or not, EG: They might dislike something about their physical appearance or the way they talk because it signifies a slavery class, but not quite sure why.)
  
• Those who manage to reach higher positions are more likely to want to assimilate with the dominant culture around them due to over-compensation or they're more likely to be accepted.
  
• Conflict between marrying within ones' group due to internalized self hatred, one might see their own group as the stereotypes spread during slavery and will avoid them altogether and might actually prefer marrying the dominant group. (Noooot encouraging interspecies waifus here, just listing a genuine thing.)

 

If you're going to go dig deep into IPCs RP-wise, I think you need to realize how slavery sociologically affects a group of people.

[Skull132]

Holy shit. Skull, that was just about the most unprofessional thing I think I've ever seen you do. Not to mention extremely inappropriate, not only was the discussion not revolving around that, but you gave way more information than was even called for; not to mention that's just ridiculous anyway. It seems you don't really have !FUN! on your agenda for Aurora.

 

A blazed trail, a single misguided step, a mechanical click as the wire is released, and an explosion.

Tainavaa, this is what you get. This single unprofessional step to undermine everything you're not seeing. You're not seeing the orders for staff to hold their fire against Jawdat, despite him playing Tajaran HoP. You're not seeing the orders for staff to hold their fire against the Jawdat family, despite the existence of a fully fledged criminal syndicate aboard a station monitored by AIs, where everything is recorded and saved, sounding ludicrous. Orders partly issued by me. Orders issued under the consideration that the investigation and whatever illegal activity around the Jawdats can be !FUN! for people. And ultimately, these weren't even the issues in question that made me call out their names. My mistake is more human in nature than you believe.

What you read was unprofessional, yes. But it was a prediction. I'm ultimately too tired to chase after people right now. And I'm about to have less time than I already do: the American timezones for play are out of my reach, have always been.

I apologize. My move was unnaturally poorly calculated, and one to throw names at an issue that required none. I spoke a bastardization of the realistic image, without consideration given, in an attempt to quell, affirm, and sate. As a leader, I failed to utilize the tools at my disposal for proper execution of a task: my selection was poor and unnecessary, my actions reflecting in that decision. It is one that I cannot stand by, despite the pretense for me doing so existing.

[Jakers457]

Ignoring the.... snag in this topic. I believe we should let ourselves go down the 'timeline' for awhile, in my mind the IPCs are the most recent 'species' to be working on the station. So we should allow things to develop over time, how people see IPCs after canon events and such.

Slavery was not abolished in a single month. Rights of certain groups weren't granted within a year. So I'd prefer if IPCs got more rights, say to certain Head positions, over time in organic manner. Because we should be thinking about this ICly, about how the people in this universe feel. It's not about what we as members want, we must emulate the... universe and it's people in our minds, we must empathize on why the IPCs may have an inkling for a better life, or whether they even desire the head position at all. Then we need to empathize to businessmen, average Joes and other people in this universe. Without investing ourselves to the point where we end up with threads ending up in this manner.

Now I'm not the most tact individual, Frances probably knows this but I say keep this concept in the air and let things happen organically. Setting hard lines because of OOC opinions is bad for roleplay.

[Guest]

It seems you don't really have !FUN! on your agenda for Aurora.

They're fun for me, and now, as a player of the Aurora Community, I do what I want to have fun. Isn't that what a game is for?

 

Alright.Il draw you a picture here to Illustrate how my raging butthurt was inflicted on me.

Imagine you're a kid.An adorable five year old or something, and you're walking trough the best amusement park ever!Boy, you sure are having fun!Then you get super excited because you see a really cool looking ride!"Oh, I want to have fun on the cool ride!" you exclaim.Oh but look!There's a long queue of people waiting in front of the same cool ride!Nevermind, you wait your turn, but when you finally get to the entrance of the cool ride, one of the amusement park guards pushes you away and says "Sorry son, you've got to be this lore consistent to ride this thing".He points at a sign next to the entrance of the cool ride, the sign hasn't been painted yet and seems unfinished.You start to walk away, crestfallen.Suddenly, a commotion catches your eye!A man skips his way trough the whole queue and then jumps over the cool ride's fence without even measuring himself in front of the sign!You try to do the same because you'd really like to go on the ride, but the guard stops you again and just sort of looks at you akwardly.

The act of making a snowflake and having fun with your snowflake is not bad, a station full of regular people doing regular things would be incredibly fucking boring.However, making a special snowflake and then saying that only you should have rights to special snowflakery and everyone else has

to play a regular Joe just to make your snowflake stand out even more makes it less of a snowflake, and more of a Sue.

Imagine you hear of some sort of bizzare heavy RP server in which the setting revolves around Nanotrasen giving every single sentient species in the universe space-ebola, and everyone in the universe having space-ebola and being very miserable about it.Imagine meeting the dev writers that wrote that, and having them talk about the interesting RP everyone being infected with space-ebola creates, and how much of a defining feature of their setting and their server everyone having space-ebola is as a mechanic and as background info.

Now, imagine logging onto that server and finding out nearly all characters played by the same dev writers you spoke to earlier have been injected by some sort of "Experimental space-Ebola cure" which makes them immune to space-ebola.You ask the dev writers if the ebola cure can become freely available to the playerbase, but they tell you they ought to keep the lore consistent.

Making the universe a grey vs grey, immoral meatgrinder powered by tears and broken dreams of orphans was your grand plan.You felt like smashing everything with THE IRON FIST OF GRITTY REALISM I had been talking about, you made this.This is your creation.

So why don't you grab your characters by their tails and throw them into this grey gritty hellhole of your own design?I mean, this whole time you've been telling me how very important the discrimination aliens face is to the background setting, but all your alien heads seem to somehow be conviniently immune to all the perils of being an Alien in this human-eats-nonhuman world.But no!You've got this big cardboard box full of mandatory misery which you're sure is essential for the continued operation of the background lore, and you're giving it to me and any other shmuck who doesn't roll with cat or lizard and you're just going "Hey man, just unpack this and be miserable or something.We have like, a quota to keep.And by We I mean You.".

So, if this discrimination and this GRIT is so damn important why dont you all get your passive agressive heads off the crew manifest and into other exciting positions such as Maintenance technician, Janitor, Shaft miner and so on?

It's not the act of planting the flag of GRIT in front of my face that made me butthurt.It's the act of pissing all over the flag, throwing in the trash, and then only fishing it out after you've completely ignored it to have your fun.That's what makes me butthurt.If you want this to be a thing, why dont you enforce it yourself with your own characters instead of asking someone else to do it for you?

In the beginning of the thread Skull said he didn't want to end up with 6 pseudo-human races who only differ from each other with different manners of speech.This place might not end up that way, but it may end up with 2 pseudo-human races who only differ from humanity because they're more special .

You make as much snowflakes as you feel like, I have no problem with that.But using OOC means to limit snowflake production in such a way that your snowflakes remain on top of the snow mound?That's just being a dick.

[TishinaStalker]

The passive aggression ends here and now too, Inverted. It's getting to the point where you are, between the lines, attacking and demeaning other players, and that's not going to happen on my watch. With all due respect to the person that started the thread, cease using the passive aggression tactics and tone post-haste. That is what keeps antagonizing people and causing the disorder and chaos that is literally this entire thread.

This goes to everyone: Cease all of the destructive arguments like using terms such as "butthurt" when referring to another person, diminishing their role in the discussion, etc. Just like with people getting off-topic, I don't care who started it or why they're continuing it. Cease this, and have a polite discussion for once.

[Dea Tacita]

Addendum to what Tish said.

Going off-topic again will get this thread locked and binned.

[hivefleetchicken]

The passive aggression ends here and now too, Inverted. It's getting to the point where you are, between the lines, attacking and demeaning other players, and that's not going to happen on my watch. With all due respect to the person that started the thread, cease using the passive aggression tactics and tone post-haste. That is what keeps antagonizing people and causing the disorder and chaos that is literally this entire thread.

This goes to everyone: Cease all of the destructive arguments like using terms such as "butthurt" when referring to another person, diminishing their role in the discussion, etc. Just like with people getting off-topic, I don't care who started it or why they're continuing it. Cease this, and have a polite discussion for once.