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BYOND Key: DrumstickJones

Staff BYOND Key: Euzo

Game ID: bQA-cDnS (this is the Game ID of a round at least one round after the incident, probably two)

Reason for complaint: Mod Abuse

Evidence/logs/etc: https://pastebin.com/ZSENg5BQ

Additional remarks: during a round where i was playing a vampire antagonist, i entered mining as a cargo tech to drain blood. i hacked the door and intentionally left it locked to successfully do this, and i did it when no one was in mining, no one saw what i did or reported it as i was doing it. after some interactions with some miners that entered mining through the airlock (yahir and hunter) another miner attempted to enter mining through cargo but was unable to do so. yahir then demanded that i should give him my gloves so he could hack the door and i refused. i also had a drill pointed at me by hunter and was told if i didn't hand over my gloves, "i would be gibbed". instead of calling for engineering to fix the door, he grabbed me and started removing my gloves with a weapon pointed at me. not only was this an OOC response to the situation (as far as anyone was concerned, the door was just broken) me and yahirs player have had several bad interactions that has resulted in bad blood between us across multiple rounds, making the response a personal one and not IC at all. I responded by attacking the guy that was mugging me, and was blasted with a drill. the rest is pretty evident from the logs, but when i reported this incident to a mod, ezuo, the mod made repeated ridiculous attempts to justify the players actions. here are a few examples.


[Moderator PM] Ezuo: Well, you were attacking them

PM to Ezuo: they were attacking me for my shit!

PM to Ezuo: yahir was mugging me

PM to Ezuo: i attacked to get him to back up and hunter blasted me with a fucking drill

PM to Ezuo: yahir told me to give him my gloves, i told him no, he mugged me for them, i attacked in self defense, and out of nowhere fucking hunter blasts me with a drill

[Moderator PM] Ezuo: Really? Because from all other accounts it sounds like you locked them into cargo by bolting doors.


all other accounts? the mod had the log, they saw the chain of events right there in front of them. mod knew that i did what i did when no one was around, no one knew i had bolted the door, as far as everyone in the room was concerned (and i had said IC) i was trapped in the room with them. not only is the mod just going with the account given to them by what i assume is yahir without actually checking the log, the mod is just flat out ignoring the actual problem, that what happened was completely unjustified and OOC, no engineering was called, no attempts were made to repair the door through actual channels IC, i was just held at gunpoint and had my things taken from me. you can kind of see what appears to be a bias here, but it becomes clearer later.

another note here, one of the miners openly admitted to the sec officer that no one saw me lock those doors. its in the chat let me find it...

Noir asks, "Who blocked the door?"

Cheshire has analyzed Israel Harrow's vitals.

Mia Parker says, "I don't know."

Your whole body is going numb!

Your upper body hurts badly.

Araa Plenek attempts to buckle Israel Harrow into the roller bed!

Yahir Jones says, "Mia, you saw Israel bullshitting us."

Mia Parker says, "I assume whomever bolted closed that door."

You are buckled to the roller bed by Araa Plenek!

Yahir Jones says, "Tell em'."

somewhere in there she repeats herself, that she doesnt actually know if i bolted the doors. even after this admission, Noir arrests me, a flaming, injured man, for tampering with the door. but thats just a side note. the mod saw this.


PM to Ezuo: i was locked in cargo with them for the love of god and the 100th time

PM to Ezuo: they had no idea that i did anything, because i did NOTHING in front of them

[Moderator PM] Ezuo: Did you bolt the doors by hacking them?

PM to Ezuo: yes, while no one was in mining period. they had no idea it was me and just assumed it.

[Moderator PM] Ezuo: So you DID trap them in cargo by bolting the doors?

PM to Ezuo: does it matter? at all? there was no escelation

[Moderator PM] Ezuo: It does matter, actually. First they were trapped, and just wanted to get out. They try to reclaim the gloves, so that they can hack out. You start punching. Its not like they had a taser or stunbaton on them.


two points to be made here. first, i'm trying to point to the fact that the players broke one of the server rules. there has to be an escalation of violence, and that's if you are an antag. i'm not sure, but they were most likely all three (miners) not antags, and on top of that, they were acting out of character to the extreme in just attacking me for my stuff, and straight away blasted me with a drill when i defended myself. you can see that this isn't even being considered by ezuo, the mod just brings up the fact that they needed my stuff and took it from me. which brings up my second point, the mod is acting like it's completely ok to do what they did just because they needed something i had, which they didn't, because they should've called engineering in the first place. this is the same mod that has repeatedly bwoinked me for hacking doors when my character should not, and here we are, with a player not only doing the same crap i constantly catch shit over with this mod, but they are doing it by not playing out a scenario to its logical conclusions, AND blasting the shit out of me with a drill while they do it! Ezuo keeps bringing it back to "well they needed your stuff" but that's bullshit. i need things i can't get from other players all the goddamn time, and i can't just shoot them and take it. i would be explaining myself to a mod seconds after, and probably banned for doing something that fucking stupid. lets just say they were antags, and taking things from other players could be expected. the way it happened was against server rules, but this is being ignored by ezuo completely. you can see this in the next examples. SIDE NOTE: Ezuo says they tried to reclaim the gloves, there was no reclaiming them, they were my gloves to begin with that i ordered on the shuttle.


PM to Ezuo: what, are you kidding me? so i can go around demanding everyones stuff and if they dont give it to me, i can attack them and take it? then when they defend themselves, i can attempt to gib them?

[Moderator PM] Ezuo: You're blowing what they did, and what you did, way outta whack. They wanted a way to /stop being trapped/. What would you do if I locked you in a 10x10 room and said you couldn't leave?


i literally described exactly what happened. what would i do if i was trapped with someone else in a room and they said i couldn't leave? first off, i didn't say they couldn't leave, and i used no force in keeping them in there. i just didn't give them my gloves. second, if i was stuck in a room because of a door with someone who was not immediately threatening me, i would call for assistance on the damn radio! like the character i'm playing would do in the situation they are in! they had no idea IC that i had locked those doors. they were meta gaming by assuming i did, because no one in that room witnessed it. no one was in there when i originally hacked the door. there was no "this guy trapped us in here i saw it and he won't let us leave now", it was "we are all trapped in here and the door won't work, we need to call for assistance" which my character backed up IC.


PM to Ezuo: dude im not blowing anything out of whack, thats exactly what happened. EXACTLY what happened

[Moderator PM] Ezuo: I can tell you for a fact, that is not exactly what happened. You're angry that you got caught, I get it, but thats no reason to try and get other players punished OOCly.


bullshit. exuo had the logs, ezuo saw exactly what happened. this is a flat out lie. you can really start to see that there is some relationship with yahir, and ezuo is backing him up.


PM to Ezuo: i dont give a shit that i got caught, and i get that you are cool with yahir, but i was robbed, and when i defended myself i was blasted from nowhere with a lazer and thats not cool. you know damn good and well if i did that shit i would be explaining myself to you

[Moderator PM] Ezuo: They didn't even punch you once. You were the only one punching and kicking.

[Moderator PM] Ezuo: And hitting Yahir with a crowbar

PM to Ezuo: he grabbed me and took my shit. i attacked in defense


this is after, at the beginning of the round, yahir just randomly grabbed me and threw me onto a table. then when i was attacked by a crate in cargo and was calling security, he decided to say over comms i was being bitchy or something, like i was snitching on him. its at the beginning of the round, the very beginning. yahir does this shit every round i play with him after we got into it the first time, grabbing me, choking me, throwing me around, pushing me down, all randomly with no IC reasoning behind it.


also, im being processed in jail at this point, after being fucked up, and the officers ignore my OOC saying i'm dealing with a mod, and "assume that i'm guilty because i'm not talking" and lock me up. nice, thanks.


PM to Ezuo: you are intentionally doing this, you have the logs and see exactly what happened

[Moderator PM] Ezuo: I wonder why they wanted the gloves... Maybe it was to unbolt the doors that you had bolted, and leave the small area that you had confined them in.

[Moderator PM] Ezuo: Yes, I /do/ have the logs. Which is why I'm telling you what I am.


no fucking shit, really? there was a reason i wanted the doors bolted, that's not an excuse to do what they did. you don't get to just fuck people up on a goddamn HRP server just because you need something they have, not like that. ezuo knows whats going on and is letting it happen, this might as well be hippie station at this point. again, i'm a damn vampire trying to roleplay a damn vampire. ezuo knows exactly what is happening here and is intentionally being obtuse for the benefit of Yahir.


PM to Ezuo: so again, if i need something from someone else i can just take it from them? is that what you are saying?

[Moderator PM] Ezuo: You know full well that's not what I'm saying. Don't give me loaded questions.


that's literally exactly what ezuo is saying here. they "needed" my gloves (they really needed to call engineering, there was no threat to them until they assaulted me for my gloves) so they are justified in attacking me for them. you can kind of see that ezuo knows what happened and the way they are handling it was wrong when ezuo says "don't give me loaded questions". it wasn't a loaded question, it was the exact same scenario in reverse.


PM to Ezuo: you are yahir arent you

[Moderator PM] Ezuo: I'm not even in the round

PM to Ezuo: yahir wanted my gloves so he took them

PM to Ezuo: you are saying it was justified

PM to Ezuo: so if i want someones shit, i can just take it

[Moderator PM] Ezuo: You're leaving out vital facts, on purpose. I'm afraid this conversation is over.

PM to Ezuo: then fucking blast them with a drill

[Moderator PM] Ezuo: If you are unhappy with the ruling, feel free to make a staff complaint.

PM to Ezuo: how do i report you, i know you are just fucking with me and its not cool


the rest is pretty irrelevant.


this is a HRP server. Im going to describe to you exactly what happened as non biased as i can, and ask youself if

A) the players actions were IC in the moment and justifiable

B) knowing how the situation went down, if it was handled propperly by the mod

C) knowing A and B, is it clear that there is a ganging up (to sound like a internet baby) on me by players and mod.


-in secret and with no witnesses, i broke into mining and bolted the door, with the intent to RP my vampire role.

-players wanted out of mining (not a 2x2 room, only the door to the breakroom was locked.) and demanded my gloves so they could hack the door. i refused to give them my gloves. there was no violence, not even as a vampire at this point.

-i was held at gunpoint by one player while another one grappled with me, and stole my gloves. (instead of calling engineering)

-i attacked in self defense, first with fists, but when it became clear no one was going to stop, i attacked with a crowbar.

-i was immediately blasted with a mining drill. no warning, no "stop", no "put your hands up", i was just blasted.

-i placed a complaint in with a mod.

-after much back and forth, and talking in circles, the mod justified the player response because "they were trapped and needed my things"


the interaction starts at line 454 in the paste bin, and as a side note, you can see that Yahir says

Yahir Jones says, "I'm not gonna ask why you hacked into here."

but i want to again stress that Yahir, NO ONE saw me hack into the mining bay. Yahir was still outside of the airlock when i came in. i know because the first thing i did after hacking in was check to see if anyone was in the mining bay, and i saw yahir standing outside of it waiting on an airlock. no one was on the other side of the belt, no one saw me come in. just above line 454, you can see that i had put my tools back into my bag before he came in, there was no reason to KNOW that i hacked in, just that i was in a room i diddnt have access to. the door could of been open (that's what my player said to cover) i could of followed someone in/out, anything.



Look. I know that this is a pain in the ass. But let me explain something to you. im 27, im a shit poor factory worker with 4 kids, i live check to check. i struggle with anxiety and depression. i was just recently denied a job that would of been life changing for my family, and have been struggling with depression like you wouldn't believe. i've been down on myself, i've lost interest in just about everything in my life that i enjoyed, and discovering this game and this server was the best thing that's happened to me in a long time. playing this game has given me a chance to get out of my goddamn head, and relax and have fun. for the most part, everyone on the server is great, and i've really enjoyed my time here. this incident has completely ruined the game for me, and took the only thing i have left that i enjoy. I feel like i have to tip toe around certain players, because clearly they can act any way they want to and they will have mod backing. i understand that being a server admin isn't a paying job, but its still one that requires professionalism, and neutral enforcement, and what Ezuo did was anything but that. I cant enjoy the game anymore, or immerse myself in the character, because at this point its clear that the next time Yahir or anyone friendly/involved with him or Ezuo decides to walk all over me in game, they will be completely backed by the mod, to ridiculous logical extremes. i'm depressed just dealing with this. i feel like a bitch for even complaining, but I essentially lost the last fun thing in my life i had. This isn't how a mod should act. Completely ignoring the logs, ignoring and outright lying about the facts, you could almost feel them laughing behind their screens. I feel like nothing is going to come of this, worst case scenario Ezuo gets a warning, and i'm stuck either not playing the game or playing and wondering how many times Yahir will be able to talk shit, throw me around, or gib me and get away with it because Ezuo likes him or doesn't like me.

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While I logged before this incident unfolded I believe, I have a few things to point out:


your conflict with yahir is canon, so it's not metagrudging on their part, if you are a dick to someone as a non antag or the action wasn't influenced by an antag, it's canon. Gotta deal with the consequences of being a dick.


another point is, it doesn't need sherlock holmes to deduce the cargo tech with no access sitting in mining with the tools needed to hack the door was the prime suspect, and since the miners knew they didn't let you in, they were pretty sure it was your doing, the other miner, mia, had just arrived so they weren't sure, as the logs showed.


the last point is, (as i've talked to Ezuo before posting this) Hunter's use of the drill is beyond being described by me without sounding mean, so I'll just say that they were talked to, another incident like this will probably end up with a mining jobban ban.

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[mention]DatBerry[/mention]

There is no cannon grudge with Yahir, and it literally started over him telling me i play like a "baldie" repeatedly IC and just generally being a dick. theres just general goofing and shittalking which is just roleplay and is entertaining, then there's throwing me on fucking tables any chance you get. thats mettagrudge. the mettagrudge i don't even mind so much, it's just annoying. but now mods are getting in on it and it's ridiculous. I can understand not liking me. i'm a dick sometimes and an idiot the rest of the time, and i know i say stupid things and apologize to those involved for them. i try to take each day on fresh and i understand that dick drum from yesterday and friendly drum from the other day don't always make sense, but i've never tried to take the experience from another player. don't be a mod if you cant mod on a level playing field.


They just assumed i hacked, and never witnessed it.


There are a wide number of reasons how i could of been in there, lets go over a few.

AI let me in (im cargo)

I followed a miner in

I entered after a miner left

I came across the door already open


as a cargo tech, and in character, they couldn't just assume i hacked, there are legitimate reasons for me being in there. i'm a delivery boy. the door panel wasn't even removed when they came in, and one door was already stuck in the open position. Yahir and Hunter had no idea if Mia let me in or i entered after she left, never asked, and she never clarified. IC, as far as the entire room should of been concerned, i was just as trapped as they were, and my IC speech reflected that fact. You can have suspicions, but suspicions don't translate into "Quick, grab him, take his shit, and when he fights back blast him with a goddamn lazer" and its damn sure not justified IC Ezuo.


[mention]Alberyk[/mention]

sorry for the formatting issue, will i need to reformat

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Ok i was hitting the wrong button, but i went ahead and changed the formatting on the original complaint. I dont know how to access my own or anyone elses Byond ID, and the Game ID code is either from the round after the incident or the round after that

Okay, so. A Key, or CKEY depending, is literally just your username, as it is typed in BYOND. Key and BYOND Username can be interchangeable.

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Hello there. Gonna need to ask you to fix a few things on the first part of the complaint, if you don't mind.


BYOND Key: <- Your BYOND username here.

Staff BYOND Key: <- Given that this is the Staff Complaint subforum, and the players of Yahir and Hunter are not staff members, only include Ezuo in this part. If you wish, you can report those two separately in the player complaint subforum.

Reason for complaint: <- There's no metagame issues in this complaint. You can still keep the other two reasons. Also, please include what form of punishment was made, if any, whether it was a formal warning, verbal warning or whatever.


Thanks. I'll personally notify [mention]Ezuo[/mention] of this complaint, just in case he has not noticed.

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Ok, so, from what I can gather your complaint revolves around the assumption that I am meta-buddies with the players of Hunter and Yahir, and allowed them to "get away" with something.


This cannot be further from the truth. As Berry mentioned in their post, I did indeed talk to Hunter's player about the situation, telling them that the drill was too much and that they should have worked with Yahir to overpower you with grapples or something.


Moderators and Admins don't change their judgement based off of our personal relations with the players, because that wouldn't be fair. As it stands, the parties that were at fault were talked to about their behavior, and said talk was noted down for future reference in case something similar happens again.

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My complaint is improper conduct for an admin and/or/AKA mod abuse


when did you talk to them about the drill, after another mod have to come to you and say what happened was ridiculous according to DatBerry? because you were defending everything they did up until the point you decided "ok, maybe next time you break character, metta game and decide to mug someone, maybe don't blast them with a lazer. maybe just team up on him and beat him with your fists or something."


they had no right to mug me. they had no RP motivation to do it Ezuo. All they knew was a delivery boy was stuck in mining with them, never mind how he even got in, because NO ONE saw me do it. Until i was mugged, i had not attacked anyone, barely even said shit besides trying to RP my vamp. There was no justification in what they did to begin with, and even with that fact you kept defending them and using INCREDIBLY weak arguments to justify what happened, so ridiculous that its pretty clear you were ok with what they were doing and was just throwing shit at walls in a half assed way to see what would stick and shut me up.


"Mod, these guys just almost gibbed me with no escalation and no actual reason to, completely breaking character and mettagaming."

"Oh well, isn't it obvious? they needed your gloves, so they took them"

yeah, no way that your personal relationship with Yahir affected that ruling, no way at all.


You lied repeatedly, and kept twisting the scenario despite the fact that you had the actual logs and could see exactly what happened. "Oh, what would you do if I locked you in a room and wouldn't let you out"

Well, ADMIN, you had the logs, you knew that i did not lock them in and wouldn't let them out, I locked the door behind me to play a damn antag roll and refused to give up my gloves. The gloves that they wanted to hack the door, something that you have bwoinked me for doing repeatedly but strangely didn't seem to care about this time around when Yahir did it. Remember? Mining/Cargo shouldn't know how to hack doors? Don't have the education and training for it?


They didn't just go stupid with the drill, they were metagaming and metta grudging, and you knew all of this, you had the logs, and not only did you do NOTHING until someone else had to say "hey dude this isn't cool you need to handle it", but you didn't even address the whole situation, just focusing on this one thing that you were forced to address because someone else had to approach you over it.


another thing, i've been bwoinked repeatedly for attacking intruders in the past. As a matter of fact, it was YOU that i had that conversation with. As a QM, someone intruded into Cargo, i told them to leave, and when they approached me i attacked and was thrown in jail. YOU told me that i'm not supposed to attack, i'm supposed to call sec! Every single thing about what happened and how it happened was mishandled by you, in a way that makes it pretty clear that your judgement was altered either by a dislike of me or a friendship with Yahir. You had those logs, you knew what happened, and you intentionally lied and twisted things around, and when i turned the same situation back around on you, you backpedalled. This was no accident, i can understand accidents and wouldn't be upset, or at least upset enough to report you and still be pissed about it. This was intentional, and it was mod abuse.


There was no violence, there was no threat, just some people trapped in mining. They should've called security, or engineering, or ANYTHING but attack. You know this, you KNEW this, and you attempted to defend their behavior anyway, you had a group of players breaking roles, blasting players with lasers, and despite the fact that they were on top of everything else metagaming the ONLY thing you do is slap them on the wrist for the laser, and that was only after someone else had to tell you it was ridiculous, and you proceed to tell me that everything they did was ok and justified (before DatBerry had to tell you it wasn't).


Nope, no bias here, nuh huh no way no how.


You giving out a warning because someone finally came out and said "hey this was wrong" or "hey you could get in trouble if you don't warn them" or whatever was said =/= you handling the situation, if DatBerry hadn't even stepped in then you would've just let what happened fly and NO warning or actions given, the quotes from the logs make that perfectly clear. Its very unusual that someone who understood what happened was wrong and was taking steps to fix it would so adamantly defend the actions of the player despite them clearly breaking server rules when they acted, the act that you were defending.

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What I'm getting is you locked yourself and two others in mining, while they did not see you, it's fair conjecture the person that shouldn't be there with insulated gloves might be the cause of this. You refused to hand over the gloves to them, both characters if I recall correctly with Engineering background so it's reasonable to assume they just wanted to get out. They tried to take it by force, that's alright, that's not severe. You then responded by defending yourself from them, also reasonable, antag or not. Then they used a mining equipment, which was quite lethal on you, understandable as a in the heat of the moment thing yet still quite an over-escalation, which they were spoken to about.


I had arrived after the fight and watched the exchange between yourself and Ezuo and really don't find an issue with it. Especially since Ezuo did take action just simply not to the extent you wanted him to. As it stands, I don't see an issue.

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This is an HRP server, can someone please explain to me how its ok to just grab people and take their things at gunpoint just because you think you need it? They should of called engineering, not mug other people.


Everything else you said was correct, except for the fact that Ezuo wasn't going to do ANYTHING until someone else told him he had to. No ones going to defend a players actions the way he did and at the same time give them a warning. You can see that everything was going to fly, until at some point someone had to talk to Ezuo and tell him "no".

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Everything else you said was correct, except for the fact that Ezuo wasn't going to do ANYTHING until someone else told him he had to. No ones going to defend a players actions the way he did and at the same time give them a warning. You can see that everything was going to fly, until at some point someone had to talk to Ezuo and tell him "no".

 

Okay, no. You've been saying this for your entire post, and I'd like to see you produce a single lick of evidence supporting this. Until you can, you're just waving around an unsupported statement in order to try and prove your point.


Berry, when he came to talk to me, came to inform me that the complaint was posted and get more context on what actions I actually took. At no point did someone come along and tell me "Ezuo you done fucked up, talk to that person".

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That's the thing, the drill part wasn't completely allowed and the relevant people were spoken to about the amount of force used, the player also did not carry on attacking you, they did not go out of their way to kill you or incur further damage, since the character realized the implications of using a dangerous industrial item, which they got punished for it, albiet the investigation by the ISD wasn't fully correct, the premise that it was over use of force is not something the ISD or us as staff are disputing.


As for the mugging, there are a plethora of ways they could've approached it be it ways I could think and ways I can't think of, they decided to approach this way which resulted in action by the ISD towards them at the end of the day. Maybe they could've waited for Engineering or others to come, but they had their reasons based on their assumption on the situation. Conflict as said previously is allowed even while you're not an antagonist within the confines of the rules stipulated, which you can easily read. This was also not something round ending for you, you were treated, and then released, where you proceeded to just sit down for the rest of the round.


You're also taking the term "spoken to" a bit overboard, they spoke with Ezuo as did I in a mutual conversation of the situation as we usually do granted we're not busy playing or dealing with situations, it's a common thing as having other opinions on among staff when conducting our duties. Ezuo did not require us to "tell him" to do anything. He discussed your ahelp with you and discussed the parts he disagreed with, he didn't believe removing the gloves was an issue, but he did find the drill part to be an issue.


tl;dr Parts of the ahelp required our intervention, but were mostly deemed as something to be dealt with in-character as it wasn't a round ending experiance. Ezuo is not wrong here.


With this in mind and the arguments presented by both sides. I'm deeming this resolved in favor of Ezuo. I'll keep this open for 24 more hours unless something additional pops up.

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[mention]Ezuo[/mention]


A lick of evidence? you spent our entire conversation defending their actions. Including the drill. You never once said anything to the effect that anything they did was wrong or against any rules, you just kept repeating that it was reasonable to do what they did because of X. So what are you trying to say, that you were simultaneously defending their use of the drill, AND warning them that they did something wrong at the same time? Its pretty clear based on the chat you weren't going to take any action at all.


[mention]Sharp[/mention]

read the logs. that's not the language of someone that recognizes someone goofed and is just trying to explain to me why they wanted my gloves. that's the language of someone that is entirely ok with the situation and isn't planning on doing anything about it. are the logs available for when he made his warning to yahir and hunter? i would be interested to see what time he warned them, and if it was after i told him i was reporting him for his biased behavior. for transparency, can we get those logs posted here?

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A lick of evidence? you spent our entire conversation defending their actions. Including the drill. You never once said anything to the effect that anything they did was wrong or against any rules, you just kept repeating that it was reasonable to do what they did because of X. So what are you trying to say, that you were simultaneously defending their use of the drill, AND warning them that they did something wrong at the same time? Its pretty clear based on the chat you weren't going to take any action at all.

 

Yes, which probably gives the indication the moderator thought the course of action was valid, yet giving them fair warning to be more cautious due to their poor escalation of force. We can do that. It doesn't confuse most people because they understand they can be in the right with certain actions while still toeing the line.


You're upset the moderator did not punish the two miners in particular enough, is that correct?

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You mostly discussed the topic of the mugging and such, from what I read, and when discussing the topic you didn't simply speak about the drill but about the whole fight from what lead to it to the after things. Note that I did speak to you afterwards and even told you that while we did not punish the miner as mistakes happen, he was still spoken to and cautioned to do such in the future.

 

Your adminhelp will be tended by Ezuo. Please allow the staff member a minute or two to write up a response.

-- Click the Moderator's name to reply --


[Moderator PM] Ezuo: Whats up?

PM to Ezuo: the fucking miners just blasted me with a drill out of nowhere

[Moderator PM] Ezuo: Well, you were attacking them

PM to Ezuo: they were attacking me for my shit!

PM to Ezuo: yahir was mugging me

PM to Ezuo: i attacked to get him to back up and hunter blasted me with a fucking drill

PM to Ezuo: yahir told me to give him my gloves, i told him no, he mugged me for them, i attacked in self defense, and out of nowhere fucking hunter blasts me with a drill

[Moderator PM] Ezuo: Really? Because from all other accounts it sounds like you locked them into cargo by bolting doors.

PM to Ezuo: i was locked in cargo with them for the love of god and the 100th time

PM to Ezuo: they had no idea that i did anything, because i did NOTHING in front of them

[Moderator PM] Ezuo: Did you bolt the doors by hacking them?

PM to Ezuo: yes, while no one was in mining period. they had no idea it was me and just assumed it.

[Moderator PM] Ezuo: So you DID trap them in cargo by bolting the doors?

PM to Ezuo: does it matter? at all? there was no escelation

[Moderator PM] Ezuo: It does matter, actually. First they were trapped, and just wanted to get out. They try to reclaim the gloves, so that they can hack out. You start punching. Its not like they had a taser or stunbaton on them.

PM to Ezuo: what, are you kidding me? so i can go around demanding everyones stuff and if they dont give it to me, i can attack them and take it? then when they defend themselves, i can attempt to gib them?

[Moderator PM] Ezuo: You're blowing what they did, and what you did, way outta whack. They wanted a way to /stop being trapped/. What would you do if I locked you in a 10x10 room and said you couldn't leave?

PM to Ezuo: dude im not blowing anything out of whack, thats exactly what happened. EXACTLY what happened

[Moderator PM] Ezuo: I can tell you for a fact, that is not exactly what happened. You're angry that you got caught, I get it, but thats no reason to try and get other players punished OOCly.

PM to Ezuo: i dont give a shit that i got caught, and i get that you are cool with yahir, but i was robbed, and when i defended myself i was blasted from nowhere with a lazer and thats not cool. you know damn good and well if i did that shit i would be explaining myself to you

[Moderator PM] Ezuo: They didn't even punch you once. You were the only one punching and kicking.

[Moderator PM] Ezuo: And hitting Yahir with a crowbar

PM to Ezuo: he grabbed me and took my shit. i attacked in defense

PM to Ezuo: you are intentionally doing this, you have the logs and see exactly what happened

[Moderator PM] Ezuo: I wonder why they wanted the gloves... Maybe it was to unbolt the doors that you had bolted, and leave the small area that you had confined them in.

[Moderator PM] Ezuo: Yes, I /do/ have the logs. Which is why I'm telling you what I am.

PM to Ezuo: so again, if i need something from someone else i can just take it from them? is that what you are saying?

[Moderator PM] Ezuo: You know full well thats not what I'm saying. Don't give me loaded questions.

PM to Ezuo: you are yahir arent you

[Moderator PM] Ezuo: I'm not even in the round

PM to Ezuo: yahir wanted my gloves so he took them

PM to Ezuo: you are saying it was justified

PM to Ezuo: so if i want someones shit, i can just take it

[Moderator PM] Ezuo: You're leaving out vital facts, on purpose. I'm afraid this conversation is over.

PM to Ezuo: then fucking blast them with a drill

[Moderator PM] Ezuo: If you are unhappy with the ruling, feel free to make a staff complaint.

PM to Ezuo: how do i report you, i know you are just fucking with me and its not cool

[Moderator PM] Ezuo: You can make a staff complaint on the forums.

PM to Ezuo: i get that you are cool with yahir, but this isnt cool on a heavy RP forum. you know what happened and you are making excuses and talking in circles to defend what happened. i was robbed, and in self defense i attacked and was immediately blasted with a drill. there is a server rule about violence escalation and you know they broke it, but you are talking complete circles to defend what happened and its mod abuse

 

 

I cut out the conversation. Note the 24 hour count down is still ongoing as the same points are simply being raised here.

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no, although i do feel like there should've been more action taken against the player given that he's meta grudging, but that was never actually mentioned or requested in my original complaint IG to Ezuo, so just the warning for the drill is understandable enough. My complaint is that he wasn't going to do anything about it until something changed his mind, and that impression is given when you look at the way he handled the situation in the logs.


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I was actually asking for the logs between Ezuo and Yahir/Hunter warning them about the drill. I have the logs you posted, I posted them myself. What i'm curious about is when in the chain of events did Ezuo decide to punish the players, because his speech makes it clear that during our interaction, he thought it was ok. When you tell someone "he blasted me with a drill and there was no escalation" and their response is "Well, they needed your stuff bud don't you get it?" that's not what someone says when they recognize that there is an issue that needs to be dealt with.


For transparency, I would like for the logs between Ezuo and Yahir/Hunter to be posted, so we can see when he actually did anything about this situation, because I'm willing to bet that it was well after our conversation. The logs between Ezuo and involved mods would be an interesting read as well i'm willing to bet.

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They did in fact speak to them after you, since it wasn't really a time sensitive issue that they needed to be spoken to about the over use of force in a fight.


I do find myself partial to the idea that Ezuo may have not have been specific enough to you but I wouldn't call this abuse or a breach of their responsibility as a moderator, as I've said before they were fine with the fight itself which I'm in agreement with and only find issue with the use of the drill.


I'm just going to ahead with my verdict.


Considering the way you communicated with the moderator which in my opinion was hostile and generally unpleasant, I do not find Ezuo to have done anything maliciously wrong here towards you or any person involved in this incident. They do agree they could've been more specific to you by differentiating between the drill part of the fight from the fight as a whole, but I don't find that warrants deeming this a case of moderator abuse nor anything else really.


A side note as you mentioned it. Since you did cite some form of metagrude, I do advise you collect evidence in the forms of logs and picture, and if you are positive of it to ahelp it or place a player complaint. Though I hope you won't confuse metagrudge with previous interactions painting your character into a certain light with there as almost everything but antanogist action are deemed canonical.

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