[Resolved] Staff Complaint - Aboshehab - Command Whitelist Removal

CommanderXor · November 12, 2017

BYOND Key: CommanderXor

Staff BYOND Key: Aboshehab

Game ID: bRp-ag8v

Reason for complaint: I believe the removal of the whitelist is not called for. The staff has made it clear in the past that they do not double up on punishments. However, in this case, I was given a warning and told not do it again. The next day I wake up to find a forum PM from Abosh saying my whitelist was revoked after 'an investigation'. The round was a clusterfuck and was handled already, but I digress. I believe my actions against the ERT were justified. The round went to hell real quick. A traitor decided to hurl around explosives in medical wounding/killing the captain and hurting others. Medical was incompetent and filled with new people who had no clue how to heal people, the SM was exploding and the command sub-level and elevator were exploded thanks to an antag. We called an ERT to hopefully fix the issue. When they reported in, I said I hoped they brought engineering tools. But was told 'What engineering tools?' Their first course of action was to literally go straight for the Janitor ERT and loot the Lead Trooper's scout rifle. Fast forward and I jokingly say to my staff 'throw em out the airlock'. Fast forward I hear gunshots in medical while I was visiting the captain who had just been cloned by the HoP(I think?) So I rush towards them with my rifle. Only to find a security borg has an officer in cuffs and the ERT is aiming at them. I moved forward asking what was happening before the trooper fired at the -handcuffed 'prisoner'- Now obviously this was alarming. The Unathi broke his cuffs and asked if he could arrest the ERT. I gave approval because you know, you really shouldn't shoot handcuffed prisoners for no reason. The J-ERT than unleashes lasers, and ballistics, shooting around the place hitting civilians in the crossfire with no regard for them. Several move forward to help the officer, including a detective and another officer. I even move forward and start trying to assist take down the ERT. Now, we tried to cuff them but they just kept getting up and plasma arcing up. So it eventually got to the point where we just had to beat them into submission and they died. Now, we called another ERT earlier in an attempt to get some actual support and not a meme ERT. The second ERT comes along and the AI is screaming how we're all mutineers and betraying Central Command, and so on. Fast forward the ERT is arresting everyone and utterly ignoring any attempts to negotiate, going so far as scream 'I don't care. Get on the ground.' despite all of command backing it and saying it was self-defense/they shot first. Fast forward we're captured, I get gunned down and dragged without being treated, but a random officer bandages me on the shuttle. The ERT then kills Columbo for...some reason, no real reason really. The second ERT behaved similarly to the first in regards to firing around the crowded shuttle area when we evacuated. Fast forward to the end of the shuttle ride, I get bwoinked and asked what happened. I explain I provide screenshots. After a bit of digging the staff gives me a warning, telling me not to do it again. Fine, I got a warning. But then the next day I get a PM saying it was removed. The staff has said they don't double up on punishments, so why did it happen here?

Evidence/logs/etc:

Additional remarks:The above two screenshots are the only things I have to ready access. But the HoP said they fired on her and medical staff first. The second is the loyalty implanted Captain also backing my decision.

Alberyk · November 12, 2017

The first ert trooper was handled by the staff as an ooc issue. Now as the leader of the second emergency team, we went to investigate the situation and we did order the arrest of some individuals to investigate it, still, you keept ignoring all of the ert orders and walked around, take in mind we still let you wander if you were clearly just yelling that you were right, even if in the chain of command you would be under them.

Now, I think you are not explaining why you were gunned down. Everyone was on departures waiting on the shuttle, then, out of nowhere a single chemist walks to me and tries to inject me with a syringe, I flash him and tell him to stop.

[02:28:10] bRp-ag8V ATTACK: Tpr Kielo (alberyk) Used the flash to flash Phillip Waldron (mogelix) (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=116;Y=157;Z=6'>JMP</a>)
[02:28:25] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) <b>CAN THE ERT STOP FUCKING HURTING DOCTORS?</b>
[02:28:31] bRp-ag8V SAY: alberyk/(Tpr Kielo) : (Ceti Basic) I flashed him once.
[02:28:40] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) <b>FUCKING STOP ATTACKING MEDICAL STAFF YOU MENTALLY RETARDED MANCHILDREN WHO CALL YOURSELF EMERGENCY RESPONSE TROOPERS!</b>

So, yes, he was flashed once, and you started to insult the emergency team on all caps and with bold text, at this point, I had enough and ordered your arrest. I moved to arrest you, but, you got away and you kept using Columbo as a barrier, since the dog was just getting on everyone's way, I beat it and you you attacked me with a baton, followed by the chemist injecting chloral hydrate into me while I was down, and then beating me with a baton as well. I got up and opened fire at you with my carbine, because I was not sure what did you expect by attacking an armed emergency responder with a baton while he is down, then a fire fight happened and an officer cuffed you, where you were dragged to the shuttle's bridge, I injected chems into you and let an officer handle the first aid.

CommanderXor · November 12, 2017

The first ert trooper was handled by the staff as an ooc issue. Now as the leader of the second emergency team, we went to investigate the situation and we did order the arrest of some individuals to investigate it, still, you keept ignoring all of the ert orders and walked around, take in mind we still let you wander if you were clearly just yelling that you were right, even if in the chain of command you would be under them.

Now, I think you are not explaining why you were gunned down. Everyone was on departures waiting on the shuttle, then, out of nowhere a single chemist walks to me and tries to inject me with a syringe, I flash him and tell him to stop.
[02:28:10] bRp-ag8V ATTACK: Tpr Kielo (alberyk) Used the flash to flash Phillip Waldron (mogelix) (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=116;Y=157;Z=6'>JMP</a>)
[02:28:25] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) <b>CAN THE ERT STOP FUCKING HURTING DOCTORS?</b>
[02:28:31] bRp-ag8V SAY: alberyk/(Tpr Kielo) : (Ceti Basic) I flashed him once.
[02:28:40] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) <b>FUCKING STOP ATTACKING MEDICAL STAFF YOU MENTALLY RETARDED MANCHILDREN WHO CALL YOURSELF EMERGENCY RESPONSE TROOPERS!</b>
So, yes, he was flashed once, and you started to insult the emergency team on all caps and with bold text, at this point, I had enough and ordered your arrest. I moved to arrest you, but, you got away and you kept using Columbo as a barrier, since the dog was just getting on everyone's way, I beat it and you you attacked me with a baton, followed by the chemist injecting chloral hydrate into me while I was down, and then beating me with a baton as well. I got up and opened fire at you with my carbine, because I was not sure what did you expect by attacking an armed emergency responder with a baton while he is down, then a fire fight happened and an officer cuffed you, where you were dragged to the shuttle's bridge, I injected chems into you and let an officer handle the first aid.

Like I said in OOC after the round, and the next round, I thought the chemist was actually trying to heal you and I wasn't aware that it was chloral hydrate. Which is why I apologized and said that was my bad the next round. As for Columbo I was really just bringing him around so he could help out in situations. But yeah, I take fault for the incident in the departures with the telebaton hitting you into a stun after you flashed the chemist. That was an actual mistake on my part, given I thought the chemist was treating you instead of trying to sedate you. But the rest of the situation was still well out of my control and hardly something that couldn't actually occur. If the original ERT was handled by staff, why is this a thing? This entire situation occurred because the Janitor ERT decided to light up the medbay, resulting in the second ERT coming to arrest people, which resulted in the entire thing in departures and the bridge.

Faris · November 12, 2017

I'm just going to post saying that I'm aware of this complaint but may be delayed in terms of a full response to tomorrow.

Coalf · November 12, 2017

Like I said in OOC after the round, and the next round, I thought the chemist was actually trying to heal you and I wasn't aware that it was chloral hydrate. Which is why I apologized and said that was my bad the next round.

Acceptible and we recognized that.

As for Columbo I was really just bringing him around so he could help out in situations.

Columbo has two functions, standing in place and attacking. You knew full well that Columbo wouldn't help the situation besides being a weapon.

But yeah, I take fault for the incident in the departures with the telebaton hitting you into a stun after you flashed the chemist. That was an actual mistake on my part, given I thought the chemist was treating you instead of trying to sedate you.

Glad you recognize why your whitelist was stripped, you escalated a situation to the point of ERT having to open fire on you, the Emergency Response Team had to open fire in self defense against the people they're helping.

Additionaly the reason you whitelist wasn't stripped on the spot was because myself and Sharp were asleep and Alberyk himself was directly involved in the matter, thus biased.

But the rest of the situation was still well out of my control and hardly something that couldn't actually occur.

You could have had this under control, yet you failed, we all fail sometimes and failures have consequences this consequence is having your whitelist revoked.

Additonally we expect Heads of Staff to act as Heads of Staff in ALL situations, even those extremely stressful and extremely improbable.

Anyone can lead a well oiled department, your job is to keep that department from descending into their primal state and anarchy, you failed.

If the original ERT was handled by staff, why is this a thing? This entire situation occurred because the Janitor ERT decided to light up the medbay, resulting in the second ERT coming to arrest people, which resulted in the entire thing in departures and the bridge.

Player was dealt with by staff, you were dealt with by staff.

The point is you.

A: Escalated a situation, doing the exact opposite of what a head should be doing.

B: You threatened multiple times to have the J-ERT thrown out of the airlock and called the new ERT which was not shooting doctors and not doing anything out of the norm of the usual ERT, to quote, "MENTALLY RETARDED MANCHILDREN"

C: You attacked an Emergency Response Team member with a baton

CommanderXor · November 12, 2017

Like I said in OOC after the round, and the next round, I thought the chemist was actually trying to heal you and I wasn't aware that it was chloral hydrate. Which is why I apologized and said that was my bad the next round.

Acceptible and we recognized that.

As for Columbo I was really just bringing him around so he could help out in situations.

Columbo has two functions, standing in place and attacking. You knew full well that Columbo wouldn't help the situation besides being a weapon.

But yeah, I take fault for the incident in the departures with the telebaton hitting you into a stun after you flashed the chemist. That was an actual mistake on my part, given I thought the chemist was treating you instead of trying to sedate you.

Glad you recognize why your whitelist was stripped, you escalated a situation to the point of ERT having to open fire on you, the Emergency Response Team had to open fire in self defense against the people they're helping.

Additionaly the reason you whitelist wasn't stripped on the spot was because myself and Sharp were asleep and Alberyk himself was directly involved in the matter, thus biased.

But the rest of the situation was still well out of my control and hardly something that couldn't actually occur.

You could have had this under control, yet you failed, we all fail sometimes and failures have consequences this consequence is having your whitelist revoked.

Additonally we expect Heads of Staff to act as Heads of Staff in ALL situations, even those extremely stressful and extremely improbable.

Anyone can lead a well oiled department, your job is to keep that department from descending into their primal state and anarchy, you failed.

If the original ERT was handled by staff, why is this a thing? This entire situation occurred because the Janitor ERT decided to light up the medbay, resulting in the second ERT coming to arrest people, which resulted in the entire thing in departures and the bridge.

Player was dealt with by staff, you were dealt with by staff.

The point is you.

A: Escalated a situation, doing the exact opposite of what a head should be doing.

B: You threatened multiple times to have the J-ERT thrown out of the airlock and called the new ERT which was not shooting doctors and not doing anything out of the norm of the usual ERT, to quote, "MENTALLY RETARDED MANCHILDREN"

C: You attacked an Emergency Response Team member with a baton

I'll respond to your points real quick.

1. I escalated originally because the Janitor was hitting people in medical for no reason other than indulging in some sort of power fantasy with tied up ISD personnel.

2. I'm not going to deny it, really. I didn't like the Janitor ERT because he was being an utter idiot trying to go for the Janitor meme rather than actually helping the station. You can say he was punished all you want, but his actions lead to this clusterfuck, I was acting in response to his actions.

3. I attacked the member with a baton because of all that had occurred up to that point. The previous ERT member had tried to shoot innocent people with total disregard for anyone's safety. And here is a doctor, which, I thought was trying to help the ERT, get floored by them and dragged a few squares up. Said ERT than turns on me when I get angry at him, baton in hand. So I batoned him in retaliation for what I perceived as a threat.

Me failing to prevent my department from falling into chaos, in a chaotic situation, is more of an IC issue than an OOC issue. And you mentioning my failure, isn't exactly an OOC punishing thing. If a doctor accidentally overdosed someone, or an officer accidentally broke someone's bone while in a fight. Do we help it and say they failed and punish them? No. It's an IC issue, people make IRs if it's canon. If the staff will punish all failure OOCly with a heavy hand, well, that just doesn't seem like a thing that should be done.

Faris · November 13, 2017

Firstly, I'm going to address a main point here.

The staff has said they don't double up on punishments, so why did it happen here?

In most cases, that would be correct. One of the main exceptions to this would be whitelists. Generally only people part of that specific whitelist management are able to remove it, even in the most dire of circumstances. Nursie in this case was not part of the team and Alberyk was involved in his capacity as member of ERT. An example would be us banning a Unathi player for trying to justify self-antagonistic action to their species. We'd apply our own administrative action and report it to the person responsible of said whitelist, which is what happened here.

This is also a direct cut from command whitelist rules, which I've made both a discord announcement and a post on the forums pertaining to this. That's not the say the rule didn't exist before or wasn't enforced, I simply placed it in a single place and informed people.

Regarding Command whitelist removal:

Failure to uphold the standards put in place for a member of command.
Receiving too many administrative actions.

The previous conditions are under the discretion of the team to enforce. If you disagree with the removal, create a staff complaint for others to review.

Moving on to the whole incident, the part involving the janitorial ERT.

Their first course of action was to literally go straight for the Janitor ERT and loot the Lead Trooper's scout rifle. Fast forward and I jokingly say to my staff 'throw em out the airlock'.

Just to clear this up again. The Janitor ERT was dealt with, I even personally informed them if they tried to meme as a member of ERT, I would have their privilege to play the role revoked, the player was a staff member and should know better, so we do apologize for that. Moving on to your jokes, since what I found in the logs conveyed to me a different story.

[01:34:40] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) I swear to god if you're a fucking janitor ERT I'm going to hurl you out the airlock.

[01:34:47] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) They sent us a fucking janitor ERT.

[01:35:00] bRp-ag8V SAY: Superiorform/(Edrahir Mazkhannah) : (Ceti Basic) If you are a janitor.

[01:35:06] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) Please hurl the Janitor ERT out the airlock.

[01:35:11] bRp-ag8V SAY: Superiorform/(Edrahir Mazkhannah) : (Ceti Basic) Sshall I help hurl her out of an airlock, sssir?

[01:35:16] bRp-ag8V SAY: Ghost/rhicora : [security] Sean Richter says, "They sent us a fucking janitor ERT."

[01:35:31] bRp-ag8V SAY: Superiorform/(Edrahir Mazkhannah) : (Ceti Basic) YoU!

01:35:38] bRp-ag8V SAY: Superiorform/(Edrahir Mazkhannah) : (Ceti Basic) Janitor?

[01:35:38] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) If that is indeed a Janitor ERT. We're to hurl the damn bugger out the airlock.

[01:35:53] bRp-ag8V SAY: butterrobber202/(L/Tpr. Texas) : (Ceti Basic) Do not assault offical NT Staff officer.

01:36:22] bRp-ag8V SAY: butterrobber202/(L/Tpr. Texas) : (Ceti Basic) I'm here on NT orders.

[01:36:24] bRp-ag8V SAY: butterrobber202/(L/Tpr. Texas) : (Ceti Basic) Don't like it

[01:36:27] bRp-ag8V SAY: butterrobber202/(L/Tpr. Texas) : (Ceti Basic) take it up with them

[01:36:28] bRp-ag8V SAY: Superiorform/(Edrahir Mazkhannah) : (Ceti Basic) We don't need a janitor.

[01:36:30] bRp-ag8V SAY: Superiorform/(Edrahir Mazkhannah) : (Ceti Basic) Go away.

[01:36:38] bRp-ag8V SAY: butterrobber202/(L/Tpr. Texas) : (Ceti Basic) Obviously you do if I was sent here

[01:36:49] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) Good news, Young.

[01:36:54] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) We're going to hurl the ERT out the airlock.

[01:37:04] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) Because, instead of sending us a medical ERT to help, or, a engineering ERT.

[01:37:08] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) They sent us a fucking janitor.

[01:37:09] bRp-ag8V SAY: butterrobber202/(L/Tpr. Texas) : (Ceti Basic) Look

[01:37:12] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) A snide janitor.

[01:37:16] bRp-ag8V SAY: butterrobber202/(L/Tpr. Texas) : (Ceti Basic) Im just a guy doing his job

[01:37:17] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) You heardm e.

[01:37:26] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) Because it's a fucking useless janitor.

[01:37:36] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) They're not here to help stop terrorists, or help fix stuff, or treat people.

[01:37:39] bRp-ag8V SAY: butterrobber202/(L/Tpr. Texas) : (Ceti Basic) Unit James, invoking ERT Override. If Officer Mazkhannah touchs me again, arrest him.

[01:37:44] bRp-ag8V EMOTE: Edrahir Mazkhannah/Superiorform : Edrahir Mazkhannah laughs.

[01:37:46] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) Just a fucking lone janitor. Here to clean up the oil spills.

[01:37:51] bRp-ag8V SAY: Superiorform/(Edrahir Mazkhannah) : (Ceti Basic) No need for an ERT override, you outrank me.

[01:37:57] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) Ellie, let's call another ERT?

[01:38:04] bRp-ag8V SAY: Superiorform/(Edrahir Mazkhannah) : (Ceti Basic) Don't ssssay sstupid thingsss.

[01:38:06] bRp-ag8V EMOTE: L/Tpr. Texas/butterrobber202 : L/Tpr. Texas raises a grenade launcher.

[01:38:08] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) One that isn't a fucking JANITOR.

[01:38:30] bRp-ag8V SAY: Superiorform/(Edrahir Mazkhannah) : (Ceti Basic) The ERT pussshed me over.

[01:38:34] bRp-ag8V SAY: Superiorform/(Edrahir Mazkhannah) : (Ceti Basic) Why, I do not know.

[01:38:43] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) Throw them out the airlock.

[01:38:48] bRp-ag8V SAY: Superiorform/(Edrahir Mazkhannah) : (Ceti Basic) Yess, ssssir.

[01:38:53] bRp-ag8V SAY: Superiorform/(Edrahir Mazkhannah) : (Ceti Basic) WAit, are you sseriouss, ssir?

[01:38:58] bRp-ag8V SAY: Superiorform/(Edrahir Mazkhannah) : (Ceti Basic) I really would like to.

[01:39:08] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) I am being 100% serious, officer.

[01:39:16] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) They are useless. They are infact, a threat to this station.

[01:39:25] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) Ready. On your mark.

[01:39:29] bRp-ag8V SAY: Superiorform/(Edrahir Mazkhannah) : (Ceti Basic) Yess, ssssir.

Note the last part. Per the logs, I'd hardly call this some quick banter or joking. From here on in from all the logs I see, you made no active effort to dispel your order, which Edrahir took it as a legitimate one and further went after the ERT, which you'll see below.

[01:37:39] bRp-ag8V SAY: butterrobber202/(L/Tpr. Texas) : (Ceti Basic) Unit James, invoking ERT Override. If Officer Mazkhannah touchs me again, arrest him.[01:37:44] bRp-ag8V EMOTE: Edrahir Mazkhannah/Superiorform : Edrahir Mazkhannah laughs.

[01:37:51] bRp-ag8V SAY: Superiorform/(Edrahir Mazkhannah) : (Ceti Basic) No need for an ERT override, you outrank me.

[01:38:04] bRp-ag8V SAY: Superiorform/(Edrahir Mazkhannah) : (Ceti Basic) Don't ssssay sstupid thingsss.

[01:38:26] bRp-ag8V SAY: Superiorform/(Edrahir Mazkhannah) : (Ceti Basic) You pu-

[01:38:30] bRp-ag8V SAY: Superiorform/(Edrahir Mazkhannah) : (Ceti Basic) The ERT pussshed me over.

Fair is fair, he got pushed over, the ERT certainly didn't help, mistake or not.

[01:38:34] bRp-ag8V SAY: Superiorform/(Edrahir Mazkhannah) : (Ceti Basic) Why, I do not know.

[01:38:43] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) Throw them out the airlock.

[01:38:48] bRp-ag8V SAY: Superiorform/(Edrahir Mazkhannah) : (Ceti Basic) Yess, ssssir.

[01:38:53] bRp-ag8V SAY: Superiorform/(Edrahir Mazkhannah) : (Ceti Basic) WAit, are you sseriouss, ssir?

[01:38:58] bRp-ag8V SAY: Superiorform/(Edrahir Mazkhannah) : (Ceti Basic) I really would like to.

[01:39:08] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) I am being 100% serious, officer.

[01:39:16] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) They are useless. They are infact, a threat to this station.

These logs seem familiar? Parts of these come from the first spoiler. This time put into context with other logs.

[01:39:19] bRp-ag8V ATTACK: butterrobber202/(L/Tpr. Texas) disarmed Edrahir Mazkhannah (superiorform) (JMP)

[01:39:25] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) Ready. On your mark.

[01:39:29] bRp-ag8V SAY: Superiorform/(Edrahir Mazkhannah) : (Ceti Basic) Yess, ssssir.

[01:39:37] bRp-ag8V SAY: butterrobber202/(L/Tpr. Texas) : (Ceti Basic) Look Officer

[01:39:40] bRp-ag8V SAY: Superiorform/(Edrahir Mazkhannah) : (Ceti Basic) You pussshed me over.

Note that while the logs don't show, Edrahir has been harassing, pushing pushed or grab up to blue don't show.

[01:39:45] bRp-ag8V SAY: butterrobber202/(L/Tpr. Texas) : (Ceti Basic) If you touch my supplies or myself again, I will fire on you

[01:39:53] bRp-ag8V SAY: Superiorform/(Edrahir Mazkhannah) : (Ceti Basic) You are going to sshoot me

[01:39:56] bRp-ag8V SAY: Superiorform/(Edrahir Mazkhannah) : (Ceti Basic) With a lethal weapon?

[01:39:59] bRp-ag8V EMOTE: Edrahir Mazkhannah/Superiorform : Edrahir Mazkhannah laughs.

[01:39:59] bRp-ag8V SAY: butterrobber202/(L/Tpr. Texas) : (Ceti Basic) Yes.

[01:40:06] bRp-ag8V SAY: Superiorform/(Edrahir Mazkhannah) : (Ceti Basic) You would be fired.

[01:40:14] bRp-ag8V SAY: butterrobber202/(L/Tpr. Texas) : (Ceti Basic) Im here on Offical NT Business

[01:40:17] bRp-ag8V SAY: butterrobber202/(L/Tpr. Texas) : (Ceti Basic) And I outrank you

[01:40:28] bRp-ag8V WHISPER: Superiorform/(Edrahir Mazkhannah) : (Unknown) She is a threat, I think.

[01:40:58] bRp-ag8V SAY: butterrobber202/(L/Tpr. Texas) : (Ceti Basic) 5

[01:40:59] bRp-ag8V SAY: butterrobber202/(L/Tpr. Texas) : (Ceti Basic) 4

[01:41:01] bRp-ag8V SAY: butterrobber202/(L/Tpr. Texas) : (Ceti Basic) 3

[01:41:01] bRp-ag8V SAY: Superiorform/(Edrahir Mazkhannah) : (Ceti Basic) You will not sshoot me-

[01:41:03] bRp-ag8V SAY: butterrobber202/(L/Tpr. Texas) : (Ceti Basic) 2

[01:41:04] bRp-ag8V SAY: butterrobber202/(L/Tpr. Texas) : (Ceti Basic) 1

At this point Edrahir tables Superior and a station unit intervenes on the ERT side. There are more logs so I cut out the repeats, put a few for emphasis. First and last logs.

[01:41:06] bRp-ag8V ATTACK: Printer16/(James) shot (/obj/item/projectile/energy/electrode) Superiorform/(Edrahir Mazkhannah) (INTENT: HELP) (JMP)

[01:41:07] bRp-ag8V ATTACK: Printer16/(James) shot (/obj/item/projectile/energy/electrode) Superiorform/(Edrahir Mazkhannah) (INTENT: HELP) (JMP)

[01:41:28] bRp-ag8V ATTACK: Printer16/(James) attempted to handcuff Superiorform/(Edrahir Mazkhannah) (JMP)

Now from here on, it's understandable that they try to take down. Accident or not with the aiming system, and no effort was made to apologize/void/compromise. From here on in, it just became chaos, again, understandable and this J-ERT is large at fault with this as well. I'll post what happened afterwards, but suffice to say, the ERT did get lynched, with the HoS making no effort to actually de-escalate the situation. Continuously dismissive and hostile overall.

[01:41:32] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) James. Stand down.
[01:41:36] bRp-ag8V SAY: Superiorform/(Edrahir Mazkhannah) : (Ceti Basic) The retard trooper isss aiming at me with a lethal weapon.

[01:41:37] bRp-ag8V ATTACK: butterrobber202/(L/Tpr. Texas) shot (/obj/item/projectile/bullet/rifle/a556/ap) Resilynn/(Ellie Shoshanna) (INTENT: HARM) (JMP)

Now, they didn't actually rush him from this, they stood around a bit. There could've been some effort to remedy this, instead the following occured. Now, we're not saying you were the issue, you were part of, along with others who aren't the subject of this complaint.

[01:41:38] bRp-ag8V SAY: Printer16/(James) : You are under arrest for a

[01:41:43] bRp-ag8V SAY: Superiorform/(Edrahir Mazkhannah) : (Ceti Basic) Sssshe sssshot me.

[01:41:43] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) The ERT is SHOOTING MY MEN.

[01:41:52] bRp-ag8V SAY: Printer16/(James) : HoS

[01:41:55] bRp-ag8V SAY: butterrobber202/(L/Tpr. Texas) : (Ceti Basic) Your Men are ATTACKING me

[01:42:01] bRp-ag8V SAY: butterrobber202/(L/Tpr. Texas) : (Ceti Basic) having issues with the crew

[01:42:06] bRp-ag8V SAY: Superiorform/(Edrahir Mazkhannah) : (Ceti Basic) Ssshe threatenedto kill me.

[01:42:07] bRp-ag8V SAY: Printer16/(James) : He is under arrest according to orders from a higher ranking officer, and the corporate regulations.

[01:42:07] bRp-ag8V SAY: butterrobber202/(L/Tpr. Texas) : (Ceti Basic) They seem to enjoy attacking me

[01:42:11] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) Actuary, the fucking JANITOR just shot my officer while cuffed.

[01:42:11] bRp-ag8V SAY: Printer16/(James) : The officer is under arrest for assault

[01:42:18] bRp-ag8V SAY: Superiorform/(Edrahir Mazkhannah) : (Ceti Basic) HNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGH!

[01:42:19] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) James.

[01:42:21] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) Stand down.

[01:42:23] bRp-ag8V WHISPER: Superiorform/(Edrahir Mazkhannah) : (Unknown) I wish to arrest this woman for shooting me.

[01:42:24] bRp-ag8V SAY: BygoneHero/(Actuary) : It doesnt matter what they are, they outrank all of you.

[01:42:25] bRp-ag8V SAY: butterrobber202/(L/Tpr. Texas) : (Ceti Basic) Negative Borg

[01:42:28] bRp-ag8V SAY: butterrobber202/(L/Tpr. Texas) : (Ceti Basic) Do not stand down

[01:42:30] bRp-ag8V WHISPER: Superiorform/(Edrahir Mazkhannah) : (Unknown) Allowed?

[01:42:30] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) Detain that trooper for excessive force.

[01:42:35] bRp-ag8V ATTACK: Edrahir Mazkhannah (superiorform) Used the flash to flash James (printer16) (JMP)

[01:42:35] bRp-ag8V WHISPER: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Unknown) Do so.

[01:42:47] bRp-ag8V ATTACK: Superiorform/(Edrahir Mazkhannah) grabbed the neck of butterrobber202/(L/Tpr. Texas)

[01:43:01] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) We've detained the Lead Trooper for fucking shooting at my men when they were handcuffed.

[01:43:08] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) Detain the fucking janitor.

[01:43:08] bRp-ag8V ATTACK: butterrobber202/(L/Tpr. Texas) shot (/obj/item/projectile/beam) Superiorform/(Edrahir Mazkhannah) (INTENT: DISARM) (JMP)

[01:43:09] bRp-ag8V SAY: Superiorform/(Edrahir Mazkhannah) : (Ceti Basic) Ssstand down.

[01:43:10] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) He just-

[01:43:11] bRp-ag8V ATTACK: butterrobber202/(L/Tpr. Texas) shot (/obj/item/projectile/beam) Hackie Mhan/(Anthony Radic) (INTENT: DISARM) (JMP)

[01:43:12] bRp-ag8V ATTACK: butterrobber202/(L/Tpr. Texas) shot (/obj/item/projectile/beam) PigVomit/(Stanley Stargazer) (INTENT: DISARM) (JMP)

[01:43:15] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) HE'S FIRING ON US!

[01:43:22] bRp-ag8V SAY: Superiorform/(Edrahir Mazkhannah) : (Ceti Basic) Sssstand down trooper!

There's also quite a lot of LRP issues when it comes to Richters speech, if you'd recall an earlier administrative action done to yourself over it as well.

This was said while you were beating them with the baton.

[01:47:05] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) GET STUNLOCKED FUCKER.

This was said while you were part of the lynch team currently beating the ERT member to death.

[01:47:45] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) FUCKING CONTROL YOUR JANITOR UNIT BEFORE I THROW THEM OUT THE AIRLOCK.

In response of the fight at the end of the round.

[02:30:24] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) Th-he f-f-fuc-c-ck-kin-ng ER-RT-T-T ism-m en-n-nt-t-tal-ll-l-ly-y etar-rd-d-ded-d.

[02:33:12] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) T-Th-his-s it-ter-ral-l m-men-ntal-l-l-l ret-tar-r-r-rd-dat-t-t-tion-n tah-ht-t is cal-ll-led-d a ER-R-R-RT-T.

As a person that saw this whole ordeal, this is patently false. Security attempted to detain him in a crowded medical. I saw no effort to have the area vacated nor security being issued with proper equipment to take down an ERT member. You rushed the whole ordeal here. The ERT was not actively murdering people, most logs are towards member of security. In violation of your implant, you decided to lie. I fail to see how any of this was done in benefit of the company.

[01:48:46] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) God damn Janitor went rogue and started murdering civilians!

[01:49:33] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) The Janitor walked in to medical and started shooting at civilians and doctors.

[01:49:39] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) We came on scene and opened fire.

Based on further logs, you tried to have the AI silenced as to not speak with ERT. In the end it did speak to the ERT. I guess this was somewhat fair? Assuming you tried to speak with the ERT afterwards.

[01:49:09] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) Edrahir.

[01:49:14] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) Turn off the AI's wireless control and radio.

Again, not what happened.

[01:54:28] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) Yes, and she opened fire on medical staff out of the blue.

[01:49:33] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) The Janitor walked in to medical and started shooting at civilians and doctors.

[02:01:57] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) My men engaged when Texas started firing in to several medical personnel.

Now, this is the part where ERT orders your arrest. Per the testimony of the AI, which you made no effort to speak with and explain what happened. Sean at this time was mostly wearing standard equipment along with a laser rifle.

[02:02:06] bRp-ag8V SAY: alberyk/(Tpr Kielo) : (Ceti Basic) Okay, hos.

[02:02:11] bRp-ag8V SAY: alberyk/(Tpr Kielo) : (Ceti Basic) You are under arrest, do not resist.

[02:02:16] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) Pardon?

[02:02:39] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) Under arrest for what?

[02:02:43] bRp-ag8V SAY: alberyk/(Tpr Kielo) : (Ceti Basic) Murder.

[02:02:55] bRp-ag8V SAY: alberyk/(Tpr Kielo) : (Ceti Basic) Get on the ground before I open fire.

[02:02:56] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) Murder? The god damn Janitor opened fire on medical personnel.

[02:03:00] bRp-ag8V SAY: alberyk/(Tpr Kielo) : (Ceti Basic) GET ON THE GROUND NOW!

[02:03:32] bRp-ag8V SAY: alberyk/(Tpr Kielo) : (Ceti Basic) That is an order, you do it or I will apply force.

[02:04:52] bRp-ag8V SAY: alberyk/(Tpr Kielo) : (Ceti Basic) Arrest the head of security.

[02:04:57] bRp-ag8V SAY: alberyk/(Tpr Kielo) : (Ceti Basic) There is one of them left now.

[02:05:39] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) Are you listening?

[02:05:43] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) THe Janitor shot at staff.

[02:05:57] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) I am loyalty implanted. I would not fire on ERT unless I needed to.

[02:06:00] bRp-ag8V SAY: Lord Lag/(Tpr. Sheppard) : (Ceti Basic) According to the AI. Which also claims you threatened to wipe it, That is incorrect.

[02:06:07] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) I. Am. Loyalty. Implanted.

[02:06:19] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) I was acting against the ERT because he was firing on medical staff.

[02:07:00] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) I have a loyalty implant in me. I hpysically can not harm a member of a ERT unless they are acting against corporate interests.

[02:07:37] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) Officer. Wipe that AI please. We'll get a new one.

[02:08:19] bRp-ag8V SAY: BygoneHero/(Actuary) : Sean

[02:08:26] bRp-ag8V SAY: BygoneHero/(Actuary) : Let me tell you why you are lying

[02:08:32] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) The point is. I am loyalty implanted, therefore, my actions had to be justified or else I physically could not have opened fire.

[02:09:12] bRp-ag8V SAY: alberyk/(Tpr Kielo) : (Ceti Basic) Hos, you are undere arrest.

[02:09:14] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) Got him?

[02:09:35] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) You're a fucking idiot. I am loyalty implanted. My actions were jusitifed.

[02:10:20] bRp-ag8V SAY: BygoneHero/(Actuary) : You are so full of shit Sean. I dont know why you are acting like this

[02:11:22] bRp-ag8V SAY: alberyk/(Tpr Kielo) : (Ceti Basic) Might as well see about a shuttle because this is a giant clusterfuck.

[02:11:40] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) Can someone get Kielo to fucking can it?

[02:12:06] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) I was busy trying to baton the god damn Janitor ERT who was murdering medical personnel.

[02:13:55] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) The officer was handcuffed and being pulled by James. The Janitor ERT approched and opened fire on the handcuffed officer with their scout rifle.

[02:14:25] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) The ERT is detaining all of security because the ioned AI is lying out its ass.

Now, despite all this, the HoS remained uncuffed. Arrested but uncuffed until a later point.

Fast forwarding to the incident where he fought the ERT, which then required them to defend themselves. This is where a member of medical wordlessly tried to inject a member of ERT wordlessly.

[02:28:10] bRp-ag8V ATTACK: Tpr Kielo (alberyk) Used the flash to flash Phillip Waldron (mogelix) (JMP)

[02:28:14] bRp-ag8V SAY: alberyk/(Tpr Kielo) : (Ceti Basic) Do not try that again.

[02:28:19] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) Oi!

[02:28:25] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) CAN THE ERT STOP FUCKING HURTING DOCTORS?

[02:28:31] bRp-ag8V SAY: alberyk/(Tpr Kielo) : (Ceti Basic) I flashed him once.

[02:28:35] bRp-ag8V SAY: alberyk/(Tpr Kielo) : (Ceti Basic) I did not allow him to inject me.

[02:28:40] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) FUCKING STOP ATTACKING MEDICAL STAFF YOU MENTALLY RETARDED MANCHILDREN WHO CALL YOURSELF EMERGENCY RESPONSE TROOPERS!

[02:28:48] bRp-ag8V SAY: alberyk/(Tpr Kielo) : (Ceti Basic) Cuff him, now.

[02:28:53] bRp-ag8V SAY: alberyk/(Tpr Kielo) : (Ceti Basic) I had enough of you, you are coming in cuffs.

This is where the Doctor tried again. Keep in mind the Doctor was also warned for rule violations.

[02:29:03] bRp-ag8V ATTACK: alberyk/(Tpr Kielo) attacked Mogelix/(Phillip Waldron) with telescopic baton (INTENT: HELP) (DAMTYE: BRUTE) (JMP)

[02:29:07] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) I swear to god.

And where you mob him with the Doctor, who was trying to inject them wordlessly. Note the baton logs that are on harm for both of them.

[02:29:11] bRp-ag8V ATTACK: Mogelix/(Phillip Waldron) disarmed Tpr Kielo (alberyk) (JMP)

[02:29:11] bRp-ag8V ATTACK: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) attacked alberyk/(Tpr Kielo) with telescopic baton (INTENT: HELP) (DAMTYE: BRUTE) (JMP)

[02:29:14] bRp-ag8V ATTACK: Mogelix/(Phillip Waldron) attacked alberyk/(Tpr Kielo) with telescopic baton (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYE: BRUTE) (JMP)

[02:29:15] bRp-ag8V ATTACK: Mogelix/(Phillip Waldron) attacked alberyk/(Tpr Kielo) with telescopic baton (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYE: BRUTE) (JMP)

[02:29:15] bRp-ag8V ATTACK: ReadThisNamePlz/(Kylie Young) disarmed Phillip Waldron (mogelix) (JMP)

[02:29:17] bRp-ag8V ATTACK: ReadThisNamePlz/(Kylie Young) disarmed Phillip Waldron (mogelix) (JMP)

[02:29:18] bRp-ag8V ATTACK: ReadThisNamePlz/(Kylie Young) disarmed Phillip Waldron (mogelix) (JMP)

[02:29:18] bRp-ag8V SAY: BygoneHero/(Actuary) : ERT IS BEING ATTACKED

[02:29:22] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) Stand down.

Where the ERT decided to defend themselves.

[02:29:25] bRp-ag8V EMOTE: Sean Richter/CommanderXor : screams!

[02:29:25] bRp-ag8V EMOTE: Sean Richter/CommanderXor : Sean Richter screams!

[02:29:25] bRp-ag8V ATTACK: alberyk/(Tpr Kielo) shot (/obj/item/projectile/bullet/rifle/a556) CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) (INTENT: HARM) (JMP)

[02:29:26] bRp-ag8V SAY: Mogelix/(Phillip Waldron) : (Ceti Basic) Daft bugger

[02:29:26] bRp-ag8V ATTACK: alberyk/(Tpr Kielo) shot (/obj/item/projectile/bullet/rifle/a556) CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) (INTENT: HARM) (JMP)

[02:29:27] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) Someone grab that-

[02:29:29] bRp-ag8V ATTACK: alberyk/(Tpr Kielo) shot (/obj/item/projectile/bullet/rifle/a556) CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) (INTENT: HARM) (JMP)

[02:29:30] bRp-ag8V EMOTE: Sean Richter/CommanderXor : screams!

[02:29:30] bRp-ag8V EMOTE: Sean Richter/CommanderXor : Sean Richter screams!

[02:29:30] bRp-ag8V ATTACK: alberyk/(Tpr Kielo) shot (/obj/item/projectile/bullet/rifle/a556) CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) (INTENT: HARM) (JMP)

[02:29:31] bRp-ag8V ATTACK: Mogelix/(Phillip Waldron) attacked alberyk/(Tpr Kielo) with syringe (INTENT: HARM) (JMP)

[02:29:35] bRp-ag8V ATTACK: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) shot (/obj/item/projectile/beam/pistol) alberyk/(Tpr Kielo) (INTENT: HELP) (JMP)

[02:29:47] bRp-ag8V ATTACK: jamchop23334/(Tpr. Palmer) shot (/obj/item/projectile/beam/stun) ReadThisNamePlz/(Kylie Young) (INTENT: HARM) (JMP)

[02:29:59] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) STOP THAT FUCKING CRAZED LEAD TROOPER!

[02:30:16] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) Th-h-his-s fuck-k-kin-n-ng-g ER-RT h-has n-no s-sen-ns-s-se of-f g-god d-d-d-dam-mn-n fir-re c-con-nt-t-tr-rol-l-l!

[02:30:24] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) Th-he f-f-fuc-c-ck-kin-ng ER-RT-T-T ism-m en-n-nt-t-tal-ll-l-ly-y etar-rd-d-ded-d.

02:30:28] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) S-Shoot-tin-ng at c-civ-v-vil-l-lian-ns-s.

[02:31:15] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) C-Cap-pt-tain. D-Did-d-d-d you n-not-t-tic-c-ce t-the t-tr-rooper-r-r went-t-t st-tr-raig-gh-h f-for-r l-letal-ls-s-s?

[02:31:20] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) T-T-Th-he ER-RT-T-T s-s-s-sho h-her-r an-nd-d-d-d arr-res-st-ted-d her-r.

[02:31:41] bRp-ag8V SAY: CommanderXor/(Sean Richter) : (Ceti Basic) I m-moed-d aay-y-y f-fr-rom-m h-h-him-m w-w-w-wh-hen-n h-h-he tr-r-ried-d-d t-to han-nd-dc-cuf-ff-f-f-f me s-so h-h-he s-star-rt-ted-d s-sh-h-h-hootin-ng at-t t-the cr-row-wd-d.

Then this jumped to OOC, there were a lot of passive aggressive comments of you from LOOC, which I'm understanding of, but you kept up with behavior you've been previously banned/warned for.

[02:34:18] bRp-ag8V OOC: Sean Richter/CommanderXor : The ERT was fucking mentally retarded.

[02:38:22] bRp-ag8V OOC: Sean Richter/CommanderXor : Because you were a horrible AI.

So my official assessment is that yes you got that warning, but in truth, I'd have applied a stricter punishment due to the plethora of issues I've found. I've already said why the removal of the whitelist was not a double action either. A double action would've been myself escalating the warning to a ban, which I think is more deserved here. A cursory look over your staff entries would show this. I stand by my decision for this whitelist removal.

Superiorform · November 13, 2017

I was obviously heavily involved in this, and I'd just like to point out one thing about your analysis @Aboshehab . It's just one thing. You say the ERT got lynched, which sort of implies it wasn't justified. The ERT was only killed after we kept trying to take her down non-lethally, and I think three, or four times, the ERT just got up and started blasting us with a plasma cutter. I was calling for her sedation, and on the last time, they took so much brute from the beating that they died.

Faris · November 13, 2017

I was obviously heavily involved in this, and I'd just like to point out one thing about your analysis @Aboshehab . It's just one thing. You say the ERT got lynched, which sort of implies it wasn't justified. The ERT was only killed after we kept trying to take her down non-lethally, and I think three, or four times, the ERT just got up and started blasting us with a plasma cutter. I was calling for her sedation, and on the last time, they took so much brute from the beating that they died.

Now from here on, it's understandable that they try to take down. Accident or not with the aiming system, and no effort was made to apologize/void/compromise. From here on in, it just became chaos, again, understandable and this J-ERT is large at fault with this as well.

I addressed it.

CommanderXor · November 14, 2017

It's clear this isn't going to go anywhere but staff constantly trying to defend their actions to the last and Garn coming along and closing this. I stand by my points that this entire issue was a justified situation, but I take it Abosh isn't going to care about anything besides Richter's speech because god forbid someone say something that may hurt someone's feelings in character.

Faris · November 14, 2017

It's clear this isn't going to go anywhere but staff constantly trying to defend their actions to the last and Garn coming along and closing this. I stand by my points that this entire issue was a justified situation, but I take it Abosh isn't going to care about anything besides Richter's speech because god forbid someone say something that may hurt someone's feelings in character.

So instead of refuting the plethora of things I presented, you'll just not own up to what happened. Glad we're in the same page here.

Coalf · November 14, 2017

staff constantly trying to defend their actions to the last

That's how arguments work.

Synnono · November 14, 2017

It's clear this isn't going to go anywhere but staff constantly trying to defend their actions to the last and Garn coming along and closing this. I stand by my points that this entire issue was a justified situation, but I take it Abosh isn't going to care about anything besides Richter's speech because god forbid someone say something that may hurt someone's feelings in character.

I don't usually post in these threads, but this kind of attitude diminishes your original point. Command whitelisted players are expected to uphold certain standards of play, even in less-than-ideal situations. When you make a staff complaint, you are asking the staff members involved to defend their actions in enforcing those standards. Don't be surprised when they do this.

Aboshehab posted a fairly long reply that analyzes your behavior. You created this discussion, and you should take the effort to respond to it instead of dismissing it (if you want to make your point), or you should accept the judgement gracefully. Standing off and saying there's no point does nothing for you, especially if you were actually wronged.

Garnascus · November 14, 2017

It's clear this isn't going to go anywhere but staff constantly trying to defend their actions to the last and Garn coming along and closing this. I stand by my points that this entire issue was a justified situation, but I take it Abosh isn't going to care about anything besides Richter's speech because god forbid someone say something that may hurt someone's feelings in character.

I have not given this a proper reply because it has been my day off from work. I have read over it in detail now and honestly xor you're kinda getting off easy here.