Gamerlord Posted April 22, 2018 Posted April 22, 2018 BYOND Key: Gamerlord_357 Staff BYOND Key: Calion12, SirCatNip Game ID: bT1-bQpX Reason for complaint: Yes, they were completely useless. Apparently Security Players being OOC by not following the Corporate Regulations and being shitcurity is apparently an IC problem and their hands are tied - notwithstanding the times I've been told off by admins for IC reasons. Evidence/logs/etc: Both the lower spoilers Additional remarks: BYOND Key: Gamerlord_357 Game ID: Applicable Logs Below Player Byond Key: Katheryn Linerbord, Freya Chunley, Trevor Falk (Character Names Are All I Have) Staff involved: Calion12, SirCatNip Reason for complaint: In the massive blob below. Did you attempt to adminhelp the issue at the time? If so, what was the known action taken by administration/moderation? Yes, they were completely useless. Apparently Security Players being OOC by not following the Corporate Regulations and being shitcurity is apparently an IC problem and their hands are tied - notwithstanding the times I've been told off by admins for IC reasons. Approximate Date/Time: 22/04/2018 To the point, I DID NOT COMMIT ANY CRIME ON THE CORPORATE REGULATIONS LIST. https://wiki.aurorastation.org/index.php?title=Corporate_Regulations Read. It. Apparently Security Officers being Shitcurity is an IC problem. As to why this is so rough is because I DO NOT HAVE THE TIME and because apparently admins can't deal with IC shit, which is what they've made 'Security being OOC by not following the Corporate Regulations and jailing people for insulting them aka shitcurity'. Which is bullshit, since they've taken action against me for IC shit. Anyway, I cannot muster the time to wait until the extended round is over, (some people need sleep) and I've already gone over this too many times with the 'admins' to give a shit about proper layout. Everything you need is either below or at the Corporate Regulations wiki entry. On that note, I think you should really make it clear that Security and Medical probably aren't equipped or trained to deal with stuff from bluespace. I've run into far too many security officers who think it's their remit to hoard any and all things that might be dangerous without even checking with the people who might understand it. It's ridiculous both IC and OOC. The crazy guy who's teleporting? Maybe let the scientist search him for what's letting him teleport before you haul him off for sanity-treatment. The bolded bits are what I was arrested for. Apparently the bits where the 'Ashai Dazai' character threw insults my way didn't merit arrest. I wonder why. The bolded and underlined bit is where the only command member (also the only person who had command over me since there was no other command member) told me to stop. You might note that I stopped right there. Katheryn Linerbord Freya Chunley Trevor Falk [Common] Tim Johanson exclaims, "I d-dont w-want to c-come back !" [Common] Katheryn Linerbord says, "...Nice." Katheryn Linerbord talks into the security radio headset Katheryn Linerbord says, "Inside, please;" Tim Johanson shouts, "I d-dont need y-your t-treatment !" [Common] Tim Johanson shouts, "I d-dont need y-your t-treatment !" Unrecognized or inaccessible verb: sa Alma Alekseev says, "There he is." Katheryn Linerbord says, "Tim." [Common] Anabelle Sovno says, "He just.. faded around." Tim Johanson exclaims, "Latheryn !" Alma Alekseev says, "I got no way in I'm afraid." Katheryn Linerbord says, "Get to the medbay." Tim Johanson shouts, "No !" [Common] Tim Johanson shouts, "No !" [Common] Talia Sulyard says, "The cards. T-they are coming true" Katheryn Linerbord says, "Yes." Alma Alekseev asks, "Did you just see that?" Tim Johanson exclaims, "T-this is t-too beautifuöö t-too lose!" Katheryn Linerbord asks, "What is?" Tim Johanson silently fades in. Katheryn Linerbord says, "Wh-" Alma Alekseev says, "DAMNIT WHAT>" Tim Johanson yells, "I-its bluespace !" Tim Johanson yells, "I s-see bluespace !" [Common] Alma Alekseev says, "Apparently Tim can teleport now." Alma Alekseev says, "Apparently Tim can teleport now." [Common] Freya Chunley says, "They are not, Talia. Stop panicing." Tim Johanson laughs in triumph Tim Johanson puts the box into the satchel. [Common] Alma Alekseev says, "Someone get that thing off of him and get it to my lab." Alma Alekseev says, "Someone get that thing off of him and get it to my lab." Katheryn Linerbord says, "Show me more, there." Tim Johanson has thrown the electrical toolbox. Tim Johanson leaps out of thin air. You put the silver ingot into the laboratory backpack. [Common] Talia Sulyard says, "The Struggle, it is coming true. The prophecy of the cards, they tell a tale of no other" Tim Johanson walks out of an invisible doorway. Katheryn Linerbord says, "There we go." Katheryn Linerbord says, "Come back here." Tim Johanson shouts, "No !" Katheryn Linerbord asks, "Why?" You have unfastened the window from the frame. You put the screwdriver into the tool-belt. You have pried the window out of the frame. You put the crowbar into the tool-belt. You have unfastened the frame from the floor. Tim Johanson says, "T-they w-want to treat me .." Katheryn Linerbord asks, "So? That's good, no?" Tim Johanson says, "T-they will e-end it .." [Common] Arrivals Shuttle Oversight states, "Central Command Arrivals shuttle inbound to NSS Aurora. ETA: one minute." You have unfastened the grill from the floor. The grille has been hit by Alma Alekseev with the screwdriver. Tim Johanson says, "T-they will put me into s-suffering a-again" [Common] Freya Chunley says, "Engineering, whenever you are ready, get to the pool. There's a breach there." You have unfastened the window from the frame. You put the screwdriver into the tool-belt. Katheryn Linerbord says, "You don't even know the sides effects." You have pried the window out of the frame. You put the crowbar into the tool-belt. [Common] Kere'Selsh Qorina says, "On my way." Tim Johanson shouts, "Dont get closer!" You have unfastened the frame from the floor. Central Command Update Vermin infestation Bioscans indicate that strange creatures have been breeding in the library. Clear them out, before this starts to affect productivity. Tim Johanson says, "Bluespace" Alma Alekseev asks, "Shouldn't we disarm him first?" Alma Alekseev is trying to remove Tim Johanson's PDA-Tim Johanson (Mechatronic Engineer)! Katheryn Linerbord says, "I said." Katheryn Linerbord says, "Lead. Me." Katheryn Linerbord says, "Out." Tim Johanson shakes violently Katheryn Linerbord asks, "Are you deaf?" Alma Alekseev exclaims, "Katheryn, I can't allow possibly dangerous technology out onto the station!" Katheryn Linerbord says, "Its my job." Katheryn Linerbord says, "Not yours." Tim Johanson shouts, "Its not technology !" Katheryn Linerbord says, "I know his medical state." Tim Johanson exclaims, "I c-can see it !" Katheryn Linerbord says, "Now get me out. Now." Tim Johanson says, "I c-can feel it" Alma Alekseev asks, "What IS his medical state?" Tim Johanson yells, "I c-can manipulate it !" Katheryn Linerbord says, "Its not your buisness." Tim Johanson flinches Katheryn Linerbord says, "Final warning before I cuff you too, as well." [Common] Katheryn Linerbord says, "Okay." [Common] Alma Alekseev says, "Deal with it yourself you damn bitch." Alma Alekseev says, "Deal with it yourself you damn bitch." [Common] Katheryn Linerbord says, "Alekseev. Come b--" Unrecognized or inaccessible verb: ay [Common] Katheryn Linerbord says, "I see." [Common] Alma Alekseev says, "It's called polite conversation." Alma Alekseev says, "It's called polite conversation." [Common] Alma Alekseev says, "You should try it sometimes instead of shoving your authority-boner in everyone's face." Alma Alekseev says, "You should try it sometimes instead of shoving your authority-boner in everyone's face." You put everything in the rapid part exchange device. [Common] Ashai Dazai says, "I do not think you know the meaning of polite." Following parts detected in the machine: circuit board (protolathe) matter bin matter bin micro-manipulator micro-manipulator beaker beaker [Common] Alma Alekseev says, "I was trying to ask what was wrong with my colleague. Katheryn was just being an utter cunt." Alma Alekseev says, "I was trying to ask what was wrong with my colleague. Katheryn was just being an utter cunt." You open the maintenance hatch of Protolathe. matter bin replaced with super matter bin. matter bin replaced with super matter bin. micro-manipulator replaced with pico-manipulator. micro-manipulator replaced with pico-manipulator. [Common] Katheryn Linerbord says, "Sure, you are looting him and his lab." [Common] Alma Alekseev says, "No I'm not." Alma Alekseev says, "No I'm not." [Common] Katheryn Linerbord says, "You are totally worrying about his condition." [Common] Alma Alekseev says, "I took nothing." Alma Alekseev says, "I took nothing." [Common] Katheryn Linerbord says, "I told you to lead me out. I have my reasons." [Common] Ashai Dazai says, "Please do not be vulgar over common channels." You put the screwdriver into the tool-belt. [Common] Katheryn Linerbord says, "I ama security officer. You are a scientist." [Common] Katheryn Linerbord says, "This is not your job to try to search him." [Common] Alma Alekseev says, "Problem is little bitch, you aren't command. You're an upjumped bitch who thinks she's hotstuff." Alma Alekseev says, "Problem is little bitch, you aren't command. You're an upjumped bitch who thinks she's hotstuff." Anabelle Sovno: lol [Common] Ashai Dazai says, "Shut up fucks sakes." [Common] Alma Alekseev says, "Dealing with stuff like bluespace tech IS my job." Alma Alekseev says, "Dealing with stuff like bluespace tech IS my job." [Common] Katheryn Linerbord says, "I have my orders from a member of Command." [Common] Alma Alekseev says, "As you know, an EXPERT." Alma Alekseev says, "As you know, an EXPERT." [Common] Katheryn Linerbord says, "The Chief Medical Officer asked me to retrieve Johanson, as he was sick." [Common] Katheryn Linerbord says, "I did." [Common] Alma Alekseev says, "Instead of a grunt and a bonesaw." Alma Alekseev says, "Instead of a grunt and a bonesaw." [Common] Ashai Dazai says, "Really? Expert? I confused you with a human infant." [Common] Anabelle Sovno says, "Alekseev, if you dont can it, I will have you removed from your position." [Common] Katheryn Linerbord says, "I asked you to get me out, you tried to take his PDA." [Common] Talia Sulyard says, "Need s-space cleaner to the kitchem please. Urgent" Freya Chunley says, "Heya." Alma Alekseev says, "Oh bugger off." Freya Chunley asks, "Could I get in?" Freya Chunley crosses her arms. Alma Alekseev says, "Ask the AI I have work to do." Freya Chunley says, "The AI is unresponsive." You close the maintenance hatch of Protolathe. [Common] Katheryn Linerbord says, "Wait." Freya Chunley says, "Now," Freya Chunley holds up the warrant projector. Take a closer look. That's a warrant projector. It is a small item. The practical paperwork replacement for the officer on the go. It's a holographic warrant for 'Alma Alekseev'. You have to go closer if you want to read it. Alma Alekseev laughes. [Common] Arrivals Announcement Computer states, "Erick Silva, Visitor, has completed cryogenic revival." Freya Chunley says, "I'd need to get in, please." Freya Chunley smiles. Alma Alekseev says, "Ain't happening." Freya Chunley says, "Aha." [Common] Alma Alekseev asks, "Did you even go to Trevor for that?" Alma Alekseev asks, "Did you even go to Trevor for that?" Freya Chunley shouts, "Hi!" Freya Chunley shouts, "Hello!" Freya Chunley waves. Freya Chunley says, "Now." Alma Alekseev asks, "So the AI IS listening?" Alma Alekseev says, "Didn't peg you for a liar." You put the screwdriver into the tool-belt. Freya Chunley says, "I suggest you to comply." Freya Chunley says, "Or else, your charges will worsen." Alma Alekseev asks, "Comply with what charges?" Freya Chunley holds up the warrant projector. Take a closer look. Alma Alekseev asks, "Not putting up with that raging bitch Katheryn?" Alma Alekseev says, "That IS NOT a charge, that is a WARRANT." Alma Alekseev says, "Fucking incompetents." Freya Chunley says, "Indecent Exposure or Hooliganism." Alma Alekseev asks, "Oh?" Freya Chunley says, "Yes." Alma Alekseev asks, "And did Trevor issue that?" Without even breaking stride, Freya Chunley flips open and lights the Zippo lighter in one smooth movement. Freya Chunley nods while lighting her cigarette. With a flick of their wrist, Freya Chunley lights their cigarette with their Zippo lighter. You hear a quiet click, as Freya Chunley shuts off the Zippo lighter without even looking at what they're doing. Freya Chunley asks, "Could we go now?" Alma Alekseev says, "Just wiping the servers." Freya Chunley says, "What." Freya Chunley says, "What does that even mean." Freya Chunley shrugs. Freya Chunley says, "Well, I ain't got all day." [Common] Freya Chunley says, "Et" Freya Chunley talks into the security radio headset Freya Chunley says, "Let's go." TheSmiley: void [Common] Ashai Dazai asks, "Ouie, et tu?" Alma Alekseev says, "Deleting all the work that's been done. You grunts shouldn't fuck with the people who do the actual work on this station." Freya Chunley says, "Come on." Calion12: no Freya Chunley has grabbed Alma Alekseev passively! Freya Chunley has grabbed Alma Alekseev aggressively (now hands)! [Common] Brian Richard asks, "Hey security, you still have those lock picks?" Freya Chunley talks into the security radio headset Freya Chunley says, "AI, open." Alma Alekseev says, "This entire place exists for US. You're just decoration." Freya Chunley asks, "Oh for real now?" Gollee: Hello [Common] Trevor Falk says, "No" Alma Alekseev says, "Oh yeah." Alma Alekseev says, "This IS a research station." Erick Silva says, "Heyo." Calion12: hoi Freya Chunley has grabbed Alma Alekseev passively! Freya Chunley attempts to buckle Alma Alekseev into the steel chair! You are buckled to the steel chair by Freya Chunley! BrianGTFO: the fuck? Freya Chunley is trying to remove Alma Alekseev's PDA-Alma Alekseev (Scientist)! Trevor Falk says, "All yours officer" Dinobubba7: HOI4? Carlafriendly3: hi [Common] Arrivals Announcement Computer states, "Whisper Unity, Shaft Miner, has completed cryogenic revival." The criminal sentencing console pings, "Convict Alma Alekseev's ID Card (Scientist) verified." Alma Alekseev: so i just checked and this has no actual basis on the wiki Freya Chunley: I don't know man, i simply get a warrant and do my job Central Command Update Lifesign Alert Unknown biological entity has been detected near NSS Aurora, please stand-by. newscaster beeps, "New Station Announcement Available" The criminal sentencing console pings, "Successfully added charge" The criminal sentencing console pings, "Successfully added charge" Alma Alekseev: i'm guessing the warden is new, bored and wants to throw his shit at people Freya Chunley: well what did you even to do kathy Alma Alekseev: i refused to help a woman who was being incredibly rude and abrasive Alma Alekseev: it's her on EVERY SINGLE FUCKING ROUND Freya Chunley: lmfao Freya Chunley: if it annoys you that much ahelp or something Alma Alekseev: she wouldn't have gotten in to get tim without my help Alma Alekseev: considering ahelping Alma Alekseev: arresting someone for arguing with a security officer? Alma Alekseev: that's shitcurity if i've ever seen it Tagada: 'you' should ahelp, alma. Alma Alekseev: ESPECIALLY as just a warden Tagada: This is warning-worthy RP The criminal sentencing console rattles to life and spits out a paper titled Encoded Incident Report. The criminal sentencing console pings, "Alma Alekseev's ID Card (Scientist) has been found guilty of their crimes!" Freya Chunley is trying to put PDA-Alma Alekseev (Scientist) on Alma Alekseev! Freya Chunley is trying to remove Alma Alekseev's laboratory backpack! Freya Chunley is trying to remove Alma Alekseev's tool-belt! PM to-Staff : I am under the distinct impression that arresting someone for arguing with a security officer and refusing to assist an incredibly rude and cuntish security officer reeks of shitcurity. Freya Chunley carefully folds Encoded Incident Report into a plane. Freya Chunley unfolds the paper plane. The steel chair has been hit by Freya Chunley with Encoded Incident Report. Calion12 has added themself to your ticket and should respond shortly. Thanks for your patience! You were unbuckled from the steel chair by Freya Chunley. -- Click the Moderator's name to reply -- [Moderator PM] Calion12: okay, describe what happened. Cell 1 pings, "Successfully imported incident report!" Trevor Falk: instead of fuck the police how about dont break the fuckin law Tagada: Yeah, definetly Ahelp this More holes in due process than a sieve. Tagada: classic bored shitcurity all the way. Alma Alekseev: you put me on for 12 minutes for a 5 minute offense you cunt [Common] Cryogenic Oversight states, "Freya Chunley, Security Officer, has entered long-term storage." [Common] Arrivals Announcement Computer states, "Dexter Grifflez, Shaft Miner, is inbound from the NTCC Odin." Trevor Falk: what was the problem anyway? Alma Alekseev: fuck off Alma Alekseev: trying to talk to admin [Common] Arrivals Shuttle Oversight states, "Central Command Arrivals shuttle inbound to NSS Aurora. ETA: one minute." Trevor Falk: ooooo salty arent we? to Calion12: i let katheryn into the robotics lab by taking down one of the windows so she can get to Tim who's acting crazy, i try to take off his gear because he's ranting about bluespace, which is something security is not capable of handling (especially without a research director, head of security or captain) when katheryn refuses to even entertain the possibility of letting me know what's going on in the most rude and abrasive way (this is something she does on lots of rounds and gets away with due to authority) i refuse to open the exit door for her and head back to my lab. two minutes later she says that i was looting the robotics lab when i swear a bunch at her for being rude on comms. then five minutes later the other security officer comes up and tries to get in, tells me the ai is unresponsive, which is a lie since the ai let her in when i refused to entertain her bullshit. she then carts me off to the jail where i'm accused of hooliganism (i do not meet the requirements for it according to the wiki) and lock to Calion12: ed up for 13 minutes when hooliganism is a 5 minute offense to Calion12: frankly i think Trevor Falk is abusing authority [Moderator PM] Calion12: So... Who do you have the issue with here? Both of them? One of them? MutantMike: all this mining and cargo staff and our 2 R&D are problem starters Gamerlord_357: fuck off Mike Gamerlord_357: didn't start shit Calion12: Lads, chill with the salt and antagonising. Also cut the IC crap. to Calion12: both really. Katheryn has a record of being the most rude and abrasive bitch she can be and hiding behind the power of security and Trevor had me arrested on trumped up charges and locked up for almost triple the prescribed time Tagada: Especially since everyone knows where the "problems" come from in 99.9% of shifts... Tagada: *whispers* S...s....security.... Tailson: X- xenobiology Tagada: A close second. [Moderator PM] Calion12: Alright. I think Katheryn's rudeness is more of an IC issue so perhaps file an IR or something like that. I'll talk with the warden first and get back to you alright? Tailson: Or toxins, if there's a toxin scientist Tagada: A distant third [Common] Arrivals Announcement Computer states, "Garrett Picard, Detective, is inbound from the NTCC Odin." Zappericus: *cough*virology*cough* AIMMO: which year do we have again `? Tailson: Only because it's very rarely played to Calion12: the only reason i'm still here is to talk to you then i'm leaving. i do NOT need to deal with this shit. i'm here to unwind and enjoy Tailson: 2460 Calion12: >distant >half of cargo goes bye-bye when one's on Tagada: Pfft, I'm probably one of three players to regularly play viro Zappericus: I main viro tho Tagada: Statistics-wise, it's a negligable cause of "problems" to Calion12: not deal with some power-mad cunt Crew_transfer vote started by Sebbe9123. Type vote or click here to place your votes. You have 60 seconds to vote. [Common] Arrivals Shuttle Oversight states, "Central Command Arrivals shuttle inbound to NSS Aurora. ETA: one minute." GoreZore: nooo I just joined pls [Common] Arrivals Announcement Computer states, "Jaque Oenomaus, Virologist, has completed cryogenic revival." [Common] Talia Sulyard says, "F-f-food in kitchen" Sebbe9123: >:c Carlafriendly3: alright Tagada: Because viro players are often paranoid about being percieved as antagging. Majority voting rule in effect. 2/3rds majority needed to initiate transfer. Vote Result: Continue The Round Carlafriendly3: aw no GoreZore: yiss Zappericus: viro is all about gettin dat lethal airborne [Common] Tim Johanson says, "/engineering my lab has a dissasembled window" [Common] Ashai Dazai says, "Bar's still open. Come crack one open." A.I. Announcement Reentering idle state. To awake station AI from idle state, you must ping the station AI with your personal digital assistant, or a station announcement, alert change, or transfer must occur. -Cynosure newscaster beeps, "New Station Announcement Available" Cell 1 pings, "Criminal sentence complete. The criminal is free to go." Alma Alekseev says, "Gimme my shit back." Trevor Falk says, "Of course, could you wait in the lobby first" Alma Alekseev says, "No." Alma Alekseev says, "I want my stuff now you power-mad arse." [Moderator PM] Calion12: I'm told Freya handled the processing. Can you confirm this? to Calion12: yes Trevor Falk says, "Dont be a pest" [Common] Talia Sulyard exclaims, "B-big jelly! If you g-guess my age right you can have it!" Anabelle Sovno asks, "Why are they being refused their belongings?" [Common] Whisper Unity says, "Twenty seven." *---------* This is Anabelle Sovno! She is wearing a chief medical officer's jumpsuit. Attached to it is the white drop pouches, the medical armband and the stethoscope. She is wearing a chief medical officer's labcoat. She has a leather satchel on her back. She is holding Bones in her left hand. She has a platinum ring on her hands. She has a medical belt about her waist. She is wearing some jackboots on her feet. She has a health scanner HUD covering her eyes. She has a chief medical officer's headset on her left ear. She has a hair flower pin on her right ear. She is wearing PDA-Anabelle Sovno (Chief Medical Officer). https://i.imgur.com/d81gxth.png She ... More... *---------* [Common] Cryogenic Oversight states, "Katheryn Linerbord, Security Officer, has entered long-term storage." [Common] Cryogenic Oversight states, "Kere'Selsh Qorina, Station Engineer, has entered long-term storage." Bones brushes against Anabelle Sovno. [Common] Talia Sulyard shouts, "C-close, but not there. T-try again!" Trevor Falk says, "I will get them momentarily ma'am I'd just like her to wait in the lobby while I get them" Garrett Picard asks, "What're you doing in here?" [Common] Whisper Unity says, "Twenty five." [Common] Cynosure states, "I wouldnt be uessing if I did." Bones brushes against Anabelle Sovno. Anabelle Sovno says, "Then convey that. She's agitated." Garrett Picard says, "Warden." Garrett Picard points to Alma Alekseev Anabelle Sovno nods. [Common] Talia Sulyard says, "Close. T-try again" Anabelle Sovno asks, "Do you have further need for me?" Garrett Picard says, "Warden." Trevor Falk says, "Yes Detective I know" [Common] Whisper Unity asks, "...Twenty six...?" Alma Alekseev says, "He's abusing his power like's he's been doing since he got here." Unrecognized or inaccessible verb: sat [Moderator PM] Calion12: unfortunately they left. I would suggest filing either a character complaint or an IR at round's end. [Common] Talia Sulyard shouts, "C-correct!" Bones nuzzles Anabelle Sovno. to Calion12: Trevor Falk is RIGHT THERE Bones brushes against Anabelle Sovno. [Common] Talia Sulyard says, "C-come get the prize at the kitchen." Trevor Falk says, "I just your review on the warrant" to Calion12: he issued the wrongful arrest warrant Anabelle Sovno says, "Right." [Moderator PM] Calion12: you said the officer processed yo- The warrant was for an io5 Trevor Falk asks, "All there?" Trevor Falk handed the laboratory backpack to Alma Alekseev. to Calion12: the warrant was wrongfully given [Moderator PM] Calion12: He was informed by the officers, this is an issue with them giving wrongful information to the warden, not the warden giving the warrant. [Common] Talia Sulyard says, "F-food at the kitchen if you w-want it! Its f-f-free." [Common] Arrivals Announcement Computer states, "Thomas Atweeke, Xenobotanist, has completed cryogenic revival." to Calion12: well i have no idea how to do a character complaint or IR Alma Alekseev starts climbing into the cryogenic freezer. You feel cool air surround you. You go numb as your senses turn inward. If you ghost, log out or close your client now, your character will shortly be permanently removed from the round. [Moderator PM] Calion12: This: https://forums.aurorastation.org/viewforum.php?f=35&sid=98a35c90426c316973aa9ca0e46c352a [Moderator PM] Calion12: or this: https://forums.aurorastation.org/viewforum.php?f=81&sid=98a35c90426c316973aa9ca0e46c352a [Common] Cryogenic Oversight states, "Erick Silva, Visitor, has entered long-term storage." The cryogenic freezer hums and hisses as it moves Erick Silva into storage. [Common] Talia Sulyard says, "P-pizza to." [Moderator PM] Calion12: IRs are in-character complaints for canon incidents. Complaints are for OOC incidents. to Calion12: oh [Common] Talia Sulyard yells, "Another com-c-competition. Whomever g-guesses the a-a-amount of shots it takes to p-power a supermatter engine g-g-gets the b-b-biggest sucker ever!" to Calion12: everything that i could possibly be arrested for was on the coms [Common] Talia Sulyard says, "Phoron p-powered." to Calion12: the warden heard it all [Common] Jaque Oenomaus says, "I'm not a nerd so I wouldn't know." [Common] Talia Sulyard says, "G-guess." to Calion12: how could he be getting wrong info from the officers? [Common] Tim Johanson says, "24" [Common] Tim Johanson says, "24 is standart" [Moderator PM] Calion12: And you were told several times to cut it out. the timings were excessive but the warden was not involved in that. [Common] Gideon Mayfield says, "Trick question, it varies on the amount of power you want and the amount of gas you use." [Common] Jaque Oenomaus says, "What sort of sucker are we talking about." to Calion12: i DID cut it out [Common] Jaque Oenomaus says, "Nevermind." [Common] Talia Sulyard says, "Close b-b-but they changed regulation." [Common] Thomas Atweeke says, "He didn't guess, demoote hiim." to Calion12: when the CMO told me [Common] Arrivals Announcement Computer states, "Youssef Hammadi, Station Engineer, has completed cryogenic revival." [Common] Thomas Atweeke says, "He broke the ruuules." [Common] Tim Johanson asks, "I guess 14 then ?" [Common] Whisper Unity asks, "Twenty two?" to Calion12: it also doesn't reach the level to Calion12: stated by the wiki to Calion12: because [Common] Thomas Atweeke says, "That's not a guess. Gosh." [Common] Talia Sulyard exclaims, "U-unity is close!" [Common] Tim Johanson slobbers, "20" [Common] Talia Sulyard exclaims, "C-close!" to Calion12: that says it has to be 'for no reason' [Moderator PM] Calion12: The charge is valid as it was blurted all over comms pretty much just insulting everyone but the timings were not. The officers who handled it are in the wrong here but I cannot contact them. I would suggest a report or complaint after round-end [Common] Arrivals Announcement Computer states, "Valentine Delacroix, Crime Scene Investigator, has completed cryogenic revival." [Common] Talia Sulyard exclaims, "C-come on you are all so close!" [Common] Brian Richard asks, "Hey anyone missing a space suit?" [Common] Talia Sulyard says, "Twenty Two is c-c-closest." to Calion12: so any swear or anger on the comms is now illegal? bullshit, that stuff goes out almost every round and nothing happen [Common] Whisper Unity asks, "...Twenty three....?" [Common] Talia Sulyard says, "C-colder." [Common] Youssef Hammadi asks, "What was the question?" Message from Jaque Oenomaus (Virologist), "Good day. Is there any spare liquid plasma I could perhaps take for my projects in the virology lab?" (Reply) Alma Alekseev taps on her PDA's screen. [Common] Anabelle Sovno asks, "Twenty one?" [Common] Talia Sulyard exclaims, "C-correct!" The ghost of Alma Alekseev now creeps among the dead. [F] [Common] Cryogenic Oversight states, "Alma Alekseev, Scientist, has entered long-term storage." The cryogenic freezer hums and hisses as it moves Alma Alekseev into storage. [F] Brian Richard says, "Well, I don't want it" [F] Thomas Atweeke says, "hmhm." [F] [Common] Talia Sulyard shouts, "C-come collect your prize at the k-k-itchen!" [F] Talia Sulyard shouts, "C-come collect your prize at the k-k-itchen!" [F] grey baby slime (939) chirps, "So... hungry..." [F] Trevor Falk says, "Quiet thus far. few problems with the R&D staff but its all resolved" [F] Gideon Mayfield says, "RICHARD." [F] Gideon Mayfield exclaims, "Do not throw shit on the floor!" Valentine Delacroix nods [F] Brian Richard asks, "WHAT?" [F] Valentine Delacroix says, "I'll be in my lab." [F] Medibot shouts, "Radar, put a mask on!" [F] [Common] Anabelle Sovno says, "You may take the prize for yourself, for being such an outstanding member of the crew." [F] Anabelle Sovno says, "You may take the prize for yourself, for being such an outstanding member of the crew." [F] mouse (945) shouts, "SQUEEK!" [F] Tori Jowers asks, "who wants to play basketball with me?" [F] Thomas Atweeke says, "M'done, order, small one." [F] Gideon Mayfield says, "Yo." [F] Whisper Unity shouts, "Jesus! Use bathroom!" [F] Gideon Mayfield says, "Alright, pass your ID over a sec." [F] mouse (39) yells, "SQUEEK!" [F] Tori Jowers laughs [F] [Common] Talia Sulyard says, "I d-d-isagree, come c-c-ollect C-cmo" [F] Talia Sulyard says, "I d-d-isagree, come c-c-ollect C-cmo" [F] [Common] Talia Sulyard says, "Y-you deserve it." [F] Talia Sulyard says, "Y-you deserve it." [F] Brian Richard says, "But I like the floors in that shade of green" [F] Trevor Falk says, "I believe the Detective is there already, you'll have a partner then" [F] Thomas Atweeke says, "Mmhm." Valentine Delacroix nods [F] Whisper Unity says, "Should not be green" [Moderator PM] Calion12: It's because it was so excessive. This is a workplace enviroment, not a police station and hence you have to respect the corporate regulations, that does not mean they are laws. You were pretty much just persistently personally attacking an office and so the charge is valid but I will state again the timings you were given were not. Now, you can file an IR or a report. Either would be valid given the circumstances. Post them after the round ends. You needn't stay here for the entire round just pay attention to when the round ends and put it up. [F] [Common] Talia Sulyard says, "A-also I have something for you. S-some chemical, t-that i dont know." [F] Talia Sulyard says, "A-also I have something for you. S-some chemical, t-that i dont know." [F] Garrett Picard says, "Hi." [F] Valentine Delacroix says, "Good evening, Detective." [F] Tori Jowers says, "hey, I'm wearing green." [F] [Common] Anabelle Sovno says, "Alright." [F] Anabelle Sovno says, "Alright." [F] [Common] Talia Sulyard says, "G-grinded carrots and it came out." [F] Talia Sulyard says, "G-grinded carrots and it came out." [F] Gideon Mayfield says, "Thank you! Right, sending the shuttle." [F] Astor Hynes says, "Thanks" [F] Medibot shouts, "Delicious!" [F] Garrett Picard asks, "Is it evening?" [F] Valentine Delacroix asks, "Any interesting case?" [F] Thomas Atweeke says, "I guess." [F] Garrett Picard says, "No." [F] Tori Jowers says, "my eyes are green" [F] [Common] Talia Sulyard says, "Imadozaline? N-not sure how to pronounce it." [F] Talia Sulyard says, "Imadozaline? N-not sure how to pronounce it." [F] Garrett Picard says, "Nothing happened yet" [F] Thomas Atweeke asks, "Would cargo need some excess of wood?" [F] Brian Richard says, "Hey, you don't know my diet" That's a floor. Scuffed from the passage of countless greyshirts. [F] [Common] Anabelle Sovno says, "Thats right." [F] Anabelle Sovno says, "Thats right." [F] Valentine Delacroix says, "I would say quarter past six is evening, yes." Valentine Delacroix nods [F] Valentine Delacroix says, "I'll be in my lab." [F] Gideon Mayfield says, "Uhhh, no. That'd be Engineering, they're your construction dudes." [F] [Common] Anabelle Sovno says, "Good for the eyes." [F] Anabelle Sovno says, "Good for the eyes." [F] [Common] Talia Sulyard asks, "W-well. G-grinding carots gives you it. W-what does it do?" [F] Talia Sulyard asks, "W-well. G-grinding carots gives you it. W-what does it do?" [F] grey baby slime (631) chirps, "Rawr..." [F] Thomas Atweeke asks, "No selling duty?" [F] [Common] Talia Sulyard yells, "Ohhh!" [F] Talia Sulyard yells, "Ohhh!" [F] Thomas Atweeke says, "Huh." [F] Tori Jowers says, "lets find out through basketball" [F] [Common] Thomas Atweeke says, "It fixes your eyes." [F] Thomas Atweeke says, "It fixes your eyes." [F] Trevor Falk says, "the 2 officers we had are in cryo so patrols are going to be a problem" [F] Anabelle Sovno says, "Hello dear." Gideon Mayfield shakes his head. "No Quartermaster to manage the account." [F] Talia Sulyard says, "P-prize and c-chemical" [F] [Common] Thomas Atweeke says, "And, stops fixing if you eat too much carrots." [F] Thomas Atweeke says, "And, stops fixing if you eat too much carrots." [F] mouse (39) asks, "Squeek?" [F] Thomas Atweeke says, "Duh." Talia Sulyard smiles. [F] mouse (945) asks, "Squeek?" [F] Brian Richard says, "Close to being able to get a thermal drill" Anabelle Sovno giggles, "Oh my." [F] Talia Sulyard says, "V-v-very big." [F] Garrett Picard says, "Hi." Talia Sulyard giggles. [F] Thomas Atweeke says, "Oh, that looks tasty." [F] Tori Jowers says, "Hi" [F] Medibot exclaims, "Radar, put a mask on!" [F] Whisper Unity says, "Should get Super resonator." [F] Talia Sulyard says, "Its f-f-free." [F] Anabelle Sovno asks, "Been busy, hmm?" [F] Thomas Atweeke asks, "Surface garden is job of yours?" to Calion12: i'm afraid to say none of that is true. i never insulted ANY office. I insulted KATHERYN. and both her behaviour and pretensions of grandeur. Talia Sulyard nods. to Calion12: i just looked back [F] Talia Sulyard says, "W-when engineering is b-b-oring." to Calion12: at what was actually said Anabelle Sovno gives the huge damn thing a lick. [F] Garrett Picard says, "Ha" [Moderator PM] Calion12: Katheryn is an officer. [F] Garrett Picard says, "I win" Anabelle Sovno nods. [F] Brian Richard asks, "You uh..having troubles there?" [F] Talia Sulyard says, "J-job was done. S-so now I do t-this." [F] Medibot yells, "Radar, put a mask on!" [F] Anabelle Sovno says, "Commendable that you'd feed the crew." [F] [Common] Tori Jowers says, "It's out of three, stupid." [F] Tori Jowers says, "it's out of three, stupid." [F] Astor Hynes says, "No" Anabelle Sovno smiles. Dexter Grifflez picks up his bulky hardsuit mass and the hardsuit drill mount. He begins to smack them together in a vain attempt to combine two. [F] Dexter Grifflez says, "Nope, I'm an expert." [F] Thomas Atweeke says, "That's sweet." [F] Dexter Grifflez asks, "Can'tcha tell?" Talia Sulyard smiles. [F] Talia Sulyard says, "T-t-thank you." [F] Brian Richard says, "Aw jee, I thought you were just trying to make them have a baby or something" [F] [Common] Talia Sulyard says, "F-food is free in the k-k-kitchen." [F] Talia Sulyard says, "F-food is free in the k-k-kitchen." [F] Trevor Falk asks, "Tim?" [F] Thomas Atweeke says, "If you need anything else grown-just ask." [F] Brian Richard asks, "Anyway, is it a module yet?" [F] Anabelle Sovno says, "Im due back in medical. Have a great shift, Talia." [F] [Common] Thomas Atweeke says, "They got delicious pizzas." [F] Thomas Atweeke says, "They got delicious pizzas." [F] Dexter Grifflez says, "Aye, fed it into the whatsit over there." [F] Talia Sulyard says, "Y-you to Ma'am." to Calion12: that's not the charge though is it? reread what i said on the radio. note that i only got angry at someone who was being rude, abrasive and ignorant. note that when i was told to stop by the CMO, the only actual command staff on station i stopped. Anabelle Sovno smiles. [F] Brian Richard asks, "Did you put it through the machine?" [F] Trevor Falk asks, "Mm.. very troubling, whered you find that?" [F] mouse (140) exclaims, "Squeek!" [F] Brian Richard asks, "Okay, is the hatch on the suit open?" [F] mouse (39) yells, "SQUEEK!" [F] Tim Johanson slobbers, "Cra't'e IN My lab" [F] Dexter Grifflez says, "Well I tried opening a hatch with a screwdriver but I can't find a damn seam." [F] cow asks, "moo?" [F] Trevor Falk says, "I... see" [F] mouse (945) asks, "Squeek?" Tim Johanson nods [F] [Common] Talia Sulyard asks, "B-bar open?" [F] Talia Sulyard asks, "B-bar open?" [F] Brian Richard says, "You use a crowbar, its a bit more sttighter then the other suits" [F] mouse (39) asks, "Squeek?" [F] Dexter Grifflez says, "Right. Crowbars, of course." [F] Medibot shouts, "Radar, put a mask on!" [F] mouse (136) asks, "Squeek?" [F] Trevor Falk says, "Be sure to check into medical periodically Tim" [F] Whisper Unity asks, "Hve robotics?" [F] mouse (39) exclaims, "Squeek!" [F] Whisper Unity says, "Have.." [F] mouse (651) asks, "Squeek?" Tim Johanson starts to shake his head , but then nods Dexter Grifflez inexpertly wedges the crowbar into a seam of the voidsuit, yanking up a hatch. It doesn't look permanently damaged, atleast! Talia Sulyard starts putting Bradley Seidner into the cryogenic freezer. to Calion12: i got angry at her behaviour and asserted my superior knowledge of bluespace phenomenon over both security and the medical profession. these things are both true. i said them for valid reasons. [F] Medibot yells, "Radar, put a mask on!" [F] Trevor Falk says, "Thank you" [F] Medibot yells, "Delicious!" [F] Brian Richard says, "Wait...What are you...NO you put modules on your rig not the void" [Moderator PM] Calion12: I don't know how I can explain this any clearer. The charge is for pretty much harassing the officer repeatedly. The fact that you stopped when command told you do does not negate that you still already repeatedly insulted the officer over comms. This is what the charge is for. The officer who processed you put far too much time on it but I cannot contact them so write a report at round end. Bradley Seidner snores. [F] Gideon Mayfield says, "Hello." Brian Richard face palms a little, chuckling [F] Dexter Grifflez exclaims, "Why in the fec-- This thing isn't a RIG? It's god the same snazzy back LED lights for findin' yer buddies in caves!" [F] Dexter Grifflez yells, "Well where do I find a feckin' RIG?!" [F] Gideon Mayfield says, "If you're ordering something, wait here a sec." [F] Brian Richard says, "No..What I have on is a rig" Dexter Grifflez hucks the entire clanking mass to the floor. [F] Whisper Unity says, "Mine." [F] Brian Richard says, "750 points" [F] Medibot says, "I knew it, I should've been a plastic surgeon." [F] Dexter Grifflez exclaims, "Bah!" [F] Whisper Unity says, "Found weird red glass." [F] mouse (39) asks, "Squeek?" PDA Message - Tim Johanson -> Anabelle Sovno: mx heaf hurts [F] mouse (456) yells, "Squeek!" PDA Message - Gideon Mayfield -> Thomas Atweeke: Your order's here. [F] Dexter Grifflez yells, "Hell! Back to the pickaxe then!" [F] Brian Richard says, "One sec" [F] Brian Richard asks, "How many points do you have?" to Calion12: and i don't know how to explain THIS to you any clearer. the warrant that was issued was for a crime THAT DOES NOT EXIST. in fact, i comitted no crime that's in the wiki. INSULTING A SECURITY OFFICER IS NOT A CRIME. Bradley Seidner snores. [F] Dexter Grifflez says, "Nadda, I only found some hematite." PDA Message - Thomas Atweeke -> Gideon Mayfield: mhm. [F] grey baby slime (631) chirps, "Lonely..." [F] Brian Richard says, "Fine...one sec" Tori Jowers laughs. to Calion12: seriously, go through the wiki corporate regulationas [F] Chauncey says, "Ack-Ack." [F] mouse (140) exclaims, "SQUEEK!" to Calion12: says absolutely nothing about standard 'insult' harrasement Valentine Delacroix sighs [F] mouse (136) yells, "Squeek!" to Calion12: not a single thing Thomas Atweeke puts the neaera cube box into the laboratory backpack. [F] Dexter Grifflez asks, "Wuzzit?" [F] Thomas Atweeke asks, "That's it?" [F] Gideon Mayfield says, "Let me take the paper and box though. Thanks." [F] Thomas Atweeke says, "I guess." [F] Gideon Mayfield exclaims, "Yep!" Thomas Atweeke nods. Gollee: Whisper Unity, BRB [F] Thomas Atweeke says, "Good luck, guess." [F] Garrett Picard says, "Hey Warden." [F] Trevor Falk says, "Gents.." Central Command Update Unknown Object Transport signature of unknown origin detected in Medical Lift - Main, an object appears to have been beamed aboard NSS Aurora. to Calion12: the only provisions are for slander; untrue things, threats of violence/murder [F] Brian Richard says, "Thats a Rig suit module, undeployed" [F] Garrett Picard asks, "Could I get a taser to replace my revolver?" [F] Dexter Grifflez asks, "And how do I deploy it?" [F] [Common] Arrivals Announcement Computer states, "Rebecca Carter, Security Officer, has completed cryogenic revival." [F] Valentine Delacroix asks, "Don't you want your revolver?" [F] [Common] Rebecca Carter asks, "What?" [F] Rebecca Carter asks, "What?" [F] mouse (651) shouts, "Squeek!" [F] Garrett Picard says, "I do want it but..." [F] [Common] Talia Sulyard says, "N-nothing to be alarmed about" [F] Talia Sulyard says, "N-nothing to be alarmed about" [F] Brian Richard says, "Crack open the hatch, and install your modules where the little inscription for them go" [F] [Common] Rebecca Carter asks, "How am I supposed to chase down baddies without feet?" [F] Rebecca Carter asks, "How am I supposed to chase down baddies without feet?" to Calion12: yelling at people for no reason (instead of getting angry at someone elses conduct) The ghost of Rebecca Carter now prowls among the dead. [F] [Common] Cryogenic Oversight states, "Rebecca Carter, Security Officer, has entered long-term storage." [Moderator PM] Calion12: Hooliganism was issued for insulting the officer comms, where everyone could hear you. Even though your points were valid you still just directly insulted them eg. "little bitch" "cunt" etc. Make a complaint or an IR I cannot contact them now so the complaints will provide the dialogue we need. I'm closing the ticket now. [F] Garrett Picard says, "Ech" Your ticket has been closed by Calion12. [F] Garrett Picard says, "Was only asking," [F] Dexter Grifflez says, "Ah, there we go." [F] Trevor Falk says, "Fine but you'll need to sign a release" [F] Medibot exclaims, "Radar, put a mask on!" SirCatnip: there goes 20 minutes [F] [Common] Gideon Mayfield asks, "The fuck?" [F] Gideon Mayfield asks, "The fuck?" Tori Jowers waves lazily. [F] Garrett Picard says, "Sure." [F] Valentine Delacroix says, "I mean... if you want to replace it, I would take it" Valentine Delacroix shrug [F] Tori Jowers says, "Ay" Talia Sulyard smiles. Valentine Delacroix shrugs [F] Brian Richard asks, "You got you goggles and jetpack?" [F] Garrett Picard says, "I want to have both actually" [F] Talia Sulyard says, "H-hello." [F] [Common] Thomas Atweeke says, "I think someone got outrageous due to leg loss and went to cryo." [F] Thomas Atweeke says, "I think someone got outrageous due to leg loss and went to cryo." [F] Dexter Grifflez says, "Nope, guess I've got more work to do." Valentine Delacroix nods [F] Garrett Picard asks, "A possibility, warden?" Gamerlord_357: apparently the Corporate Regulations page in the wiki is COMPLETELAY INCORRECT. Unrecognized or inaccessible verb: saeooc [F] [Common] Thomas Atweeke says, "That someone being Rebecca." [F] Thomas Atweeke says, "That someone being Rebecca." Tim Johanson sobbs [F] Trevor Falk asks, "Keep them both holstered wont you?" [F] Brian Richard says, "I mean..Or you could ask" Gollee: Back [F] Garrett Picard says, "Yeah." Gollee: Who said that? [F] Valentine Delacroix says, "Actually, Warden" [F] Dexter Grifflez says, "This isn't terribly unituitive. The last facility I worked at, the industrial suits just kinda slip on like armored pajamas." [F] Garrett Picard asks, "Yeah?" [F] Trevor Falk asks, "Yes?" [F] Valentine Delacroix says, "Since we don't have Officers, I would like to have a tazer too." [F] mouse (136) asks, "Squeek?" [F] Dexter Grifflez asks, "Willing to buy me a jetpack an' goggles then?" Gamerlord_357: Hooliganism now includes EVER INSULTING SECURITY OFFICERS IN PUBLIC [F] Trevor Falk says, "Mmm alright" [F] Chauncey says, "Ack-Ack." Tagada: Ahelp it Valentine Delacroix nods [F] Brian Richard says, "Well, I just hauled back about 3000 points." Tagada: It was a warning-worthy arrest Gamerlord_357: that's what the fucking admin said [F] Trevor Falk says, "But once we have sufficient officer staff i would like them returned" Gollee: Go and throw insults at a police officer, see what happens. [F] Garrett Picard says, "So two tasers." [F] mouse (651) asks, "Squeek?" [F] Valentine Delacroix says, "Sure." Gamerlord_357: there's the thing [F] Talia Sulyard says, "G-gonna work on my tan." Gamerlord_357: security is CORPORATE SECURITY. not police [F] Garrett Picard says, "Nice." [F] mouse (818) exclaims, "SQUEEK!" [F] Tori Jowers says, "I don't need it." Gollee: And these are corporate regulations, not law Gamerlord_357: ain't no laws on station, only corporate regulations SirCatnip: exactly lmao Tori Jowers grins [F] mouse (456) shouts, "Squeek!" [F] Brian Richard asks, "You still have the hatch open?" [F] Dexter Grifflez says, "Aye." [F] grey baby slime (631) chirps, "Must... eat..." AIMMO: mad roboticst afk , gank please Tagada: Glotified mall-cops SirCatnip: on it Tagada: *glorified [F] Trevor Falk says, "Sorry I gents I assumed we had some spare but we dont. I'll request some from cargo and let you know when theyre delivered" Bradley Seidner snores. [F] mouse (651) asks, "Squeek?" [F] mouse (885) shouts, "Squeek!" [F] Bluespace Technician inhales. [F] [Common] Bluespace Technician inhales. [F] Brian Richard says, "Make sure you put the jetpack in the machine and install the visor aswell" SirCatnip: oh no. Bluespace Technician presses a button on their suit, followed by a polite bow. Bradley Seidner snores. [F] Valentine Delacroix says, "There are four officer closets..." Calion12: AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA [F] Whisper Unity says, "Found this." [F] Valentine Delacroix says, "THat means four tazers..." Gamerlord_357: in any case Calion12 believes that any direct insult rises to the level of Hooliganism and warrants five minutes in lockup [F] Valentine Delacroix says, "And we have zero officers, that means four spare tazers." [F] mouse (39) asks, "Squeek?" [F] Brian Richard asks, "Can I see?" Whisper Unity nods. [F] Valentine Delacroix says, "We can have those, and when the officers come, if they ever come, we will return them." Gamerlord_357: that is literally his reasoning [F] Garrett Picard says, "Eh" Pratepresidenten: Gamer Talia Sulyard laughs. [F] Talia Sulyard says, "Lucky. Im p-p-pale." [F] Valentine Delacroix says, "There will be two tazers left anyways" Gollee: If you disagree, there are Staff Complaints, and higher up admins. [F] Brian Richard says, "Hmm..." [F] Trevor Falk says, "Mm youre right. ok ok fine but still, you need to sign the release forms" Tagada: We know. You were processed way too long, kept way too long, not in the right room, and then had to wait for your gear. It's bad. It's bad RP. Now please stop salting and Ahelp it. Valentine Delacroix nods Pratepresidenten: You could have been charged with any three infractions, they all have 5 minute sentences [F] Dexter Grifflez asks, "Now, how do I...?" [F] Brian Richard says, "Take it to sec to be safe" [F] cow says, "MOOOOOO" Pratepresidenten: Now, shh Gamerlord_357: actually no [F] Trevor Falk says, "Help yourselves and I'll right them up" [F] Tori Jowers says, "You got somethin' somethin' there, like a tan almost." Pratepresidenten: Yes. Gamerlord_357: i've looked at all the entries [F] Whisper Unity says, "...It's glass." Tori Jowers smiles. Gamerlord_357: for corporate regualtions [F] Dexter Grifflez asks, "...Turn this on?" [F] Whisper Unity says, "Keeping." [F] mouse (456) yells, "Squeek!" Gamerlord_357: not a single damn one The OOC channel has been globally disabled! SirCatnip: hey guys [F] Brian Richard says, "Okay, now what your gonna want to do is stick that prickly bit into your neck" Whisper Unity rubs her neck. [F] grey baby slime (631) chirps, "Blorble..." SirCatnip: are we done with this? Adminhelps are also sent to Discord. If no admins are available in game try anyway and an admin on Discord may see it and respond. Current Admins (2): Pratepresidenten is a Primary Admin SirCatnip is a Primary Admin Current Moderators (1): Calion12 is a Moderator Bradley Seidner snores. PM to-Staff : no. no we are not. Tori Jowers splashes around. [F] Gideon Mayfield says, "Nice." SirCatnip: im smackin prate for humouring ic in ooc The OOC channel has been globally enabled! SirCatnip has added themself to your ticket and should respond shortly. Thanks for your patience! Dexter Grifflez turns it over in his hands, "And this thing has some kinda internal storage, right? It sure as hell ain't gonna fit over my backpack." Pratepresidenten: =( Pratepresidenten: Now I got in trouble [F] Garrett Picard says, "...why would I need a weapons permit for a taser if I'm already trusted with a revolver." Dexter Grifflez slides his satchel off, chucking it across the room. [F] Trevor Falk says, "Just checking" [F] Valentine Delacroix says, "I would say he printed the wrong one." [F] Valentine Delacroix says, "That's the one." [F] mouse (651) asks, "Squeek?" Valentine Delacroix nods -- Click the Primary Admin's name to reply -- [Primary Admin PM] SirCatnip: Alright, let's talk about it. Dexter Grifflez slides the module onto his back, wincing. [F] mouse (777) shouts, "SQUEEK!" [F] Garrett Picard says, "Coolio." [F] Dexter Grifflez asks, "Ow, that as mildly unpleasent. Now what?" [F] mouse (945) asks, "Squeek?" to SirCatnip: or you can just read https://wiki.aurorastation.org/index.php?title=Corporate_Regulations [F] Medibot says, "There's always a catch, and it's the best there is." [F] Brian Richard says, ""Once its secured, it'll be linked to your brain and nervous system, just gotta think the word "Deploy" And the suit should pop on you" to SirCatnip: read the entries. [F] mouse (136) exclaims, "Squeek!" to SirCatnip: each and every one. [F] mouse (140) shouts, "Squeek!" [F] mouse (777) shouts, "Squeek!" [F] Trevor Falk says, "Just seeing if the weapons permit would be need along side the release form" to SirCatnip: i DID NOT COMMIT A SINGLE CRIME as described by that wiki page Dexter Grifflez is suddenly engulfed in the unfolding hardsuit. [F] Dexter Grifflez yells, "Ahh!!" [F] Dexter Grifflez shouts, "NOT OK!!" [F] Whisper Unity asks, "Bad touch?" [F] Valentine Delacroix asks, "By the way, what's the Index for?" [Primary Admin PM] SirCatnip: No, you did not commit a single crime. Law is not really something Security are allowed nor employed to enforce. You publically shit-talked an Officer, correct? [F] Garrett Picard says, "What was the manufacturing name of the taser.." [F] Brian Richard says, "You'll get a little thing popping up in your eye, make sure the bottom two options turn green..And don't move while its doing so" [F] Whisper Unity says, "Am headed back EVA." [F] Garrett Picard asks, "Do I just write taser?" [F] Thomas Atweeke says, "Hmhm." [F] Garrett Picard says, "Y'know what, I'm sure that'd cut it." [F] mouse (39) yells, "Squeek!" [F] Trevor Falk says, "Mhm" [F] Brian Richard says, "Okay, once its all hugging you, think the modules names you installed and activate them when you needem" [F] Trevor Falk asks, "The 38.?" [F] Dexter Grifflez says, "Ow. Ow." [F] Brian Richard says, "Yeah...You get used to it" [F] Brian Richard says, "I'm lying of course but Eh.." Dexter Grifflez walks forward stiffly. AIMMO: back kinda ish , i think i just missed something to SirCatnip: i shit talked a woman who was incredibly rude AND accused me of stealing from someone. i said she was both acting like a cunt (she was and Katheryn does so in almost every round) and then said she was acting like she was the HoS and had command, instead of just being a grunt (she does this a lot) to SirCatnip: shit-talk [F] mouse (818) asks, "Squeek?" [F] Dexter Grifflez says, "This is a little more hellish then I expected." to SirCatnip: or truth? [F] mouse (777) asks, "Squeek?" Bradley Seidner snores. [F] Trevor Falk says, "Let me see what youve done" [F] Brian Richard says, "You should be fine, its running off of your nervous system...If you think about walking forward, you'll walk forward" to SirCatnip: there was absolutely nothing to put me away for [F] mouse (140) asks, "Squeek?" [F] Dexter Grifflez asks, "What's this 'AI control' I see blinking red at me?"
DatBerry Posted April 22, 2018 Posted April 22, 2018 Why are you complaining security was doing your job when you were literally trying to search a detainee, which is in fact, their job? You have the right to request whatever they find that could be teleporting them, but if they are being arrested, it is in the security department's jurisdiction and you're basically exceeding official authority, committing theft and abusing communication channels with that bitching over the radio.
Goret Posted April 22, 2018 Posted April 22, 2018 When you drop logs, make sure that everything is there and don't cut in the middle, please. At the "okay" part, she opened the R&D door, and closed behind it, leaving me, Katheryn Linerbord stuck in the science department. When a Security Officer ask you to open the door and to stop "disarming him", you gently do it. You don't try to deal with the suspect, and you don't get in your lab, insulting the officer in question. And yes, what you have done is in the Regulations. Do you think you will get away by insulting someone of bitch, cunt on the Common channel? I don't even see the point of this complaint, since it is a total IC matter.
Faris Posted April 22, 2018 Posted April 22, 2018 Did you attempt to adminhelp the issue at the time? If so, what was the known action taken by administration/moderation? Yes, they were completely useless. Apparently Security Players being OOC by not following the Corporate Regulations and being shitcurity is apparently an IC problem and their hands are tied - notwithstanding the times I've been told off by admins for IC reasons. This is for a staff complaint, not a character complaint. Make one on the staff that issued the verdict.
Gamerlord Posted April 22, 2018 Author Posted April 22, 2018 Why are you complaining security was doing your job when you were literally trying to search a detainee, which is in fact, their job? You have the right to request whatever they find that could be teleporting them, but if they are being arrested, it is in the security department's jurisdiction and you're basically exceeding official authority, committing theft and abusing communication channels with that bitching over the radio. IIRC he wasn't arrested. He was just a crazy roboticist who was being brought in to Medical for forced treatment. The Security Officer dragged him off to medical, allowing him to keep whatever bluespace device he used to escape instead of remanding said device to someone who was qualified to handle it. You don't give EVA equipment to someone not trained, you don't give firearms to someone not trained and you don't listen to said people's demands about the use and ownership of same. Why then would you allow a security officer to make decisions about a piece of tech that she has never used, been trained to use or been authorised to use? That is patently ridiculous. When you drop logs, make sure that everything is there and don't cut in the middle, please. At the "okay" part, she opened the R&D door, and closed behind it, leaving me, Katheryn Linerbord stuck in the science department. When a Security Officer ask you to open the door and to stop "disarming him", you gently do it. You don't try to deal with the suspect, and you don't get in your lab, insulting the officer in question. And yes, what you have done is in the Regulations. Do you think you will get away by insulting someone of bitch, cunt on the Common channel? I don't even see the point of this complaint, since it is a total IC matter. You need to take another look at the regulations clearly. Find and quote me where it is. If you can find it. The cut part is only done because there isn't enough room. Trying to fit everything required chopping off the initial part that was least informative. Your character does in fact act like a cunt. Just interacting with her is a chore. Whenever I have the chance I avoid her at all costs because she IS an utter bitch. And yes, I do think I'll get away with calling someone a bitch or cunt on the Common channel when it's an accurate description of your behaviour, since that's not slander, hooliganism or any other offense. Katheryn Linerbord is the most unpleasant character I've had the misfortune to encounter on Aurora, and you cannot expect people to cooperate with you if you act like a thug. Did you attempt to adminhelp the issue at the time? If so, what was the known action taken by administration/moderation? Yes, they were completely useless. Apparently Security Players being OOC by not following the Corporate Regulations and being shitcurity is apparently an IC problem and their hands are tied - notwithstanding the times I've been told off by admins for IC reasons. This is for a staff complaint, not a character complaint. Make one on the staff that issued the verdict. Oh hell no. I am not making ANOTHER report. I am just not doing that. You do not have the right to take that much of my time away to do something completely and utterly redundant.
Saudus Posted April 22, 2018 Posted April 22, 2018 Ok I read that entire thing and god damn it needs to have irrelevant stuff trimmed off (other people not related to the issue talking etc). As for the crime(s), one of the issues here is the interpretation of i105 when reading it verbatim in the description vs reading it in spirit and adding praxis. I agree with OP that a verbatim read of the rule doesn't fit these actions. That said, in practice it does. I am still very curious how the timer ended up at 13 minutes. I see the console pinged twice for charges added. What was the second charge and how did it amount to 8 minutes?
Gamerlord Posted April 22, 2018 Author Posted April 22, 2018 You could just ask me to move the thread? Whatever, I just... This has taken anywhere from three to four hours of my time. I am drained as fuck right now. Ok I read that entire thing and god damn it needs to have irrelevant stuff trimmed off (other people not related to the issue talking etc). As for the crime(s), one of the issues here is the interpretation of i105 when reading it verbatim in the description vs reading it in spirit and adding praxis. I agree with OP that a verbatim read of the rule doesn't fit these actions. That said, in practice it does. I am still very curious how the timer ended up at 13 minutes. I see the console pinged twice for charges added. What was the second charge and how did it amount to 8 minutes? I'm afraid when it comes to rules and regulations the letter is what actually matters. Spirit don't mean shit in the legal or corporate world.
Faris Posted April 22, 2018 Posted April 22, 2018 You could just ask me to move the thread? Whatever, I just... This has taken anywhere from three to four hours of my time. I am drained as fuck right now. I moved it. It's not a time sensitive issue that you need to sort out immediately. Approaching this with a calmer tone is generally better. Edit: I've taken the liberty to modify your original post in line with the format. Everything you've posted previously is still there.
Saudus Posted April 22, 2018 Posted April 22, 2018 I'm afraid when it comes to rules and regulations the letter is what actually matters. Spirit don't mean shit in the legal or corporate world. It does indeed matter IRL, but that isn't important. The regulations here need to be extensively interpreted because we have so few of them. If we had a much larger system of rules then they could be more restrictively interpreted.
Goret Posted April 22, 2018 Posted April 22, 2018 Why are you complaining security was doing your job when you were literally trying to search a detainee, which is in fact, their job? You have the right to request whatever they find that could be teleporting them, but if they are being arrested, it is in the security department's jurisdiction and you're basically exceeding official authority, committing theft and abusing communication channels with that bitching over the radio. IIRC he wasn't arrested. He was just a crazy roboticist who was being brought in to Medical for forced treatment. The Security Officer dragged him off to medical, allowing him to keep whatever bluespace device he used to escape instead of remanding said device to someone who was qualified to handle it. You don't give EVA equipment to someone not trained, you don't give firearms to someone not trained and you don't listen to said people's demands about the use and ownership of same. Why then would you allow a security officer to make decisions about a piece of tech that she has never used, been trained to use or been authorised to use? That is patently ridiculous. I have been told by the Chief Medical Officer to bring him back to the medbay, because of what he had, he was able to do what he was doing. So it wasn't a technology. Just because you are a scientist doesn't mean that you are allowed to search them, and know what is wrong with them. We call that medical privacy by the way. When you drop logs, make sure that everything is there and don't cut in the middle, please. At the "okay" part, she opened the R&D door, and closed behind it, leaving me, Katheryn Linerbord stuck in the science department. When a Security Officer ask you to open the door and to stop "disarming him", you gently do it. You don't try to deal with the suspect, and you don't get in your lab, insulting the officer in question. And yes, what you have done is in the Regulations. Do you think you will get away by insulting someone of bitch, cunt on the Common channel? I don't even see the point of this complaint, since it is a total IC matter. You need to take another look at the regulations clearly. Find and quote me where it is. If you can find it. The cut part is only done because there isn't enough room. Trying to fit everything required chopping off the initial part that was least informative. Your character does in fact act like a cunt. Just interacting with her is a chore. Whenever I have the chance I avoid her at all costs because she IS an utter bitch. And yes, I do think I'll get away with calling someone a bitch or cunt on the Common channel when it's an accurate description of your behaviour, since that's not slander, hooliganism or any other offense. Katheryn Linerbord is the most unpleasant character I've had the misfortune to encounter on Aurora, and you cannot expect people to cooperate with you if you act like a thug. I can agree on the fact that I may have took the bad regulation, but the fact is, it's still punishable. No comments on the other point, since I already talked about that I have my reasons and I don't see the point except dropping your salt off. I'm just asking you to open the doors, you try to search again the sick Roboticist when I told you to not to, ignoring me.
Gamerlord Posted April 22, 2018 Author Posted April 22, 2018 I can agree on the fact that I may have took the bad regulation, but the fact is, it's still punishable. No comments on the other point, since I already talked about that I have my reasons and I don't see the point except dropping your salt off. I'm just asking you to open the doors, you try to search again the sick Roboticist when I told you to not to, ignoring me. 104 only comes into play if Tim asks me not to touch him. 107 is also inapplicable since 'the security officer is being a rude ignorant jackass' is true, significant and - on a personal level - important. 110? Bitch please. I never said a single word that wasn't true. Do remember that I said I checked every single entry. None of them apply. And as to the bluespace thing, someone capable of teleporting due to medical reasons is STILL something that the scientists should be informed about.
Catnip Posted April 22, 2018 Posted April 22, 2018 You were told multiple times that this was an IC issue. Yes, you had reason to be frustrated, and yes, the arrest is something a Head of Staff or CCIA could/should have looked into. OOC rules and IC regulations are absolutely seperate: Admins cannot interfere with IC conflict such as this, unless server rules are being broken. Here are the logs of your ahelp and PMs with Calion: [14:04:18] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: HELP: Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev): I am under the distinct impression that arresting someone for arguing with a security officer and refusing to assist an incredibly rude and cuntish security officer reeks of shitcurity. - heard by 2 non-AFK admins.[14:04:40] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Calion12/(Ashai Dazai)->Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev): okay, describe what happened. [14:10:14] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev)->Calion12/(Ashai Dazai): i let katheryn into the robotics lab by taking down one of the windows so she can get to Tim who's acting crazy, i try to take off his gear because he's ranting about bluespace, which is something security is not capable of handling (especially without a research director, head of security or captain) when katheryn refuses to even entertain the possibility of letting me know what's going on in the most rude and abrasive way (this is something she does on lots of rounds and gets away with due to authority) i refuse to open the exit door for her and head back to my lab. two minutes later she says that i was looting the robotics lab when i swear a bunch at her for being rude on comms. then five minutes later the other security officer comes up and tries to get in, tells me the ai is unresponsive, which is a lie since the ai let her in when i refused to entertain her bullshit. she then ca... [14:11:02] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev)->Calion12/(Ashai Dazai): ed up for 13 minutes when hooliganism is a 5 minute offense [14:11:36] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev)->Calion12/(Ashai Dazai): frankly i think Trevor Falk is abusing authority [14:12:03] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Calion12/(Ashai Dazai)->Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev): So... Who do you have the issue with here? Both of them? One of them? [14:13:18] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev)->Calion12/(Ashai Dazai): both really. Katheryn has a record of being the most rude and abrasive bitch she can be and hiding behind the power of security and Trevor had me arrested on trumped up charges and locked up for almost triple the prescribed time [14:14:07] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Calion12/(Ashai Dazai)->Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev): Alright. I think Katheryn's rudeness is more of an IC issue so perhaps file an IR or something like that. I'll talk with the warden first and get back to you alright? [14:14:34] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev)->Calion12/(Ashai Dazai): the only reason i'm still here is to talk to you then i'm leaving. i do NOT need to deal with this shit. i'm here to unwind and enjoy [14:15:11] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev)->Calion12/(Ashai Dazai): not deal with some power-mad cunt [14:18:37] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Calion12/(Ashai Dazai)->Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev): I'm told Freya handled the processing. Can you confirm this? [14:18:41] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev)->Calion12/(Ashai Dazai): yes [14:19:50] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Calion12/(Ashai Dazai)->Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev): unfortunately they left. I would suggest filing either a character complaint or an IR at round's end. [14:20:04] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev)->Calion12/(Ashai Dazai): Trevor Falk is RIGHT THERE [14:20:15] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev)->Calion12/(Ashai Dazai): he issued the wrongful arrest warrant [14:20:30] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Calion12/(Ashai Dazai)->Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev): you said the officer processed yo- The warrant was for an io5 [14:20:56] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev)->Calion12/(Ashai Dazai): the warrant was wrongfully given [14:21:31] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Calion12/(Ashai Dazai)->Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev): He was informed by the officers, this is an issue with them giving wrongful information to the warden, not the warden giving the warrant. [14:21:53] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev)->Calion12/(Ashai Dazai): well i have no idea how to do a character complaint or IR [14:22:18] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Calion12/(Ashai Dazai)->Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev): This: https://forums.aurorastation.org/viewforum.php?f=35&sid=98a35c90426c316973aa9ca0e46c352a [14:22:29] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Calion12/(Ashai Dazai)->Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev): or this: https://forums.aurorastation.org/viewforum.php?f=81&sid=98a35c90426c316973aa9ca0e46c352a [14:22:48] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Calion12/(Ashai Dazai)->Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev): IRs are in-character complaints for canon incidents. Complaints are for OOC incidents. [14:23:11] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev)->Calion12/(Ashai Dazai): oh [14:23:28] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev)->Calion12/(Ashai Dazai): everything that i could possibly be arrested for was on the coms [14:23:42] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev)->Calion12/(Ashai Dazai): the warden heard it all [14:23:57] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev)->Calion12/(Ashai Dazai): how could he be getting wrong info from the officers? [14:24:05] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Calion12/(Ashai Dazai)->Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev): And you were told several times to cut it out. the timings were excessive but the warden was not involved in that. [14:24:14] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev)->Calion12/(Ashai Dazai): i DID cut it out [14:24:21] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev)->Calion12/(Ashai Dazai): when the CMO told me [14:24:32] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev)->Calion12/(Ashai Dazai): it also doesn't reach the level [14:24:37] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev)->Calion12/(Ashai Dazai): stated by the wiki [14:24:41] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev)->Calion12/(Ashai Dazai): because [14:25:10] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev)->Calion12/(Ashai Dazai): that says it has to be 'for no reason' [14:25:15] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Calion12/(Ashai Dazai)->Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev): The charge is valid as it was blurted all over comms pretty much just insulting everyone but the timings were not. The officers who handled it are in the wrong here but I cannot contact them. I would suggest a report or complaint after round-end [14:25:53] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev)->Calion12/(Ashai Dazai): so any swear or anger on the comms is now illegal? bullshit, that stuff goes out almost every round and nothing happen [14:28:01] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Calion12/(Ashai Dazai)->Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev): It's because it was so excessive. This is a workplace enviroment, not a police station and hence you have to respect the corporate regulations, that does not mean they are laws. You were pretty much just persistently personally attacking an office and so the charge is valid but I will state again the timings you were given were not. Now, you can file an IR or a report. Either would be valid given the circumstances. Post them after the round ends. You needn't stay here for the entire round just pay attention to when the round ends and put it up. [14:29:43] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev)->Calion12/(Ashai Dazai): i'm afraid to say none of that is true. i never insulted ANY office. I insulted KATHERYN. and both her behaviour and pretensions of grandeur. [14:29:52] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev)->Calion12/(Ashai Dazai): i just looked back [14:29:57] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev)->Calion12/(Ashai Dazai): at what was actually said [14:30:05] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Calion12/(Ashai Dazai)->Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev): Katheryn is an officer. [14:31:17] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev)->Calion12/(Ashai Dazai): that's not the charge though is it? reread what i said on the radio. note that i only got angry at someone who was being rude, abrasive and ignorant. note that when i was told to stop by the CMO, the only actual command staff on station i stopped. [14:33:02] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev)->Calion12/(Ashai Dazai): i got angry at her behaviour and asserted my superior knowledge of bluespace phenomenon over both security and the medical profession. these things are both true. i said them for valid reasons. [14:33:27] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Calion12/(Ashai Dazai)->Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev): I don't know how I can explain this any clearer. The charge is for pretty much harassing the officer repeatedly. The fact that you stopped when command told you do does not negate that you still already repeatedly insulted the officer over comms. This is what the charge is for. The officer who processed you put far too much time on it but I cannot contact them so write a report at round end. [14:34:48] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev)->Calion12/(Ashai Dazai): and i don't know how to explain THIS to you any clearer. the warrant that was issued was for a crime THAT DOES NOT EXIST. in fact, i comitted no crime that's in the wiki. INSULTING A SECURITY OFFICER IS NOT A CRIME. [14:35:18] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev)->Calion12/(Ashai Dazai): seriously, go through the wiki corporate regulationas [14:35:29] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev)->Calion12/(Ashai Dazai): says absolutely nothing about standard 'insult' harrasement [14:35:38] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev)->Calion12/(Ashai Dazai): not a single thing [14:36:02] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev)->Calion12/(Ashai Dazai): the only provisions are for slander; untrue things, threats of violence/murder [14:36:35] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev)->Calion12/(Ashai Dazai): yelling at people for no reason (instead of getting angry at someone elses conduct) [14:36:37] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Calion12/(Ashai Dazai)->Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev): Hooliganism was issued for insulting the officer comms, where everyone could hear you. Even though your points were valid you still just directly insulted them eg. "little bitch" "cunt" etc. Make a complaint or an IR I cannot contact them now so the complaints will provide the dialogue we need. I'm closing the ticket now. You then elected to take this to OOC immediately after your ticket was closed, causing it to be temporarily muted due to large amounts of IC info being leaked into OOC: (note that this section does not involve unrelated chatter in OOC.) [14:37:11] bT1-bQpX OOC: Alma Alekseev/Gamerlord_357 : apparently the Corporate Regulations page in the wiki is COMPLETELAY INCORRECT.[14:37:22] bT1-bQpX OOC: Whisper Unity/Gollee : Who said that? [14:37:40] bT1-bQpX OOC: Alma Alekseev/Gamerlord_357 : Hooliganism now includes EVER INSULTING SECURITY OFFICERS IN PUBLIC [14:37:48] bT1-bQpX OOC: Youssef Hammadi/Tagada : Ahelp it [14:37:56] bT1-bQpX OOC: Youssef Hammadi/Tagada : It was a warning-worthy arrest [14:37:56] bT1-bQpX OOC: Alma Alekseev/Gamerlord_357 : that's what the fucking admin said [14:38:01] bT1-bQpX OOC: Whisper Unity/Gollee : Go and throw insults at a police officer, see what happens. [14:38:09] bT1-bQpX OOC: Alma Alekseev/Gamerlord_357 : there's the thing [14:38:21] bT1-bQpX OOC: Alma Alekseev/Gamerlord_357 : security is CORPORATE SECURITY. not police [14:38:30] bT1-bQpX OOC: Whisper Unity/Gollee : And these are corporate regulations, not law [14:38:31] bT1-bQpX OOC: Alma Alekseev/Gamerlord_357 : ain't no laws on station, only corporate regulations [14:38:31] bT1-bQpX OOC: Rebecca Carter/SirCatnip : exactly lmao [14:39:00] bT1-bQpX OOC: Youssef Hammadi/Tagada : Glotified mall-cops [14:39:26] bT1-bQpX OOC: Alma Alekseev/Gamerlord_357 : in any case Calion12 believes that any direct insult rises to the level of Hooliganism and warrants five minutes in lockup [14:39:44] bT1-bQpX OOC: Alma Alekseev/Gamerlord_357 : that is literally his reasoning [14:39:48] bT1-bQpX OOC: Anabelle Sovno/Pratepresidenten : Gamer [14:39:58] bT1-bQpX OOC: Whisper Unity/Gollee : If you disagree, there are Staff Complaints, and higher up admins. [14:40:04] bT1-bQpX OOC: Youssef Hammadi/Tagada : We know. You were processed way too long, kept way too long, not in the right room, and then had to wait for your gear. It's bad. It's bad RP. Now please stop salting and Ahelp it. [14:40:07] bT1-bQpX OOC: Anabelle Sovno/Pratepresidenten : You could have been charged with any three infractions, they all have 5 minute sentences [14:40:13] bT1-bQpX OOC: Anabelle Sovno/Pratepresidenten : Now, shh [14:40:14] bT1-bQpX OOC: Alma Alekseev/Gamerlord_357 : actually no [14:40:19] bT1-bQpX OOC: Anabelle Sovno/Pratepresidenten : /Yes./ [14:40:19] bT1-bQpX OOC: Alma Alekseev/Gamerlord_357 : i've looked at all the entries [14:40:24] bT1-bQpX OOC: Alma Alekseev/Gamerlord_357 : for corporate regualtions [14:40:27] bT1-bQpX OOC: Alma Alekseev/Gamerlord_357 : not a single damn one [14:40:28] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: sircatnip/(sircatnip BSTech) toggled OOC. (JMP) [14:40:30] bT1-bQpX OOC: sircatnip BSTech/SirCatnip : hey guys [14:40:44] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: ADMIN: SirCatnip/(sircatnip BSTech) : Don't humour his IC in OOC, prate. [14:40:56] bT1-bQpX OOC: sircatnip BSTech/SirCatnip : are we done with this? [14:41:15] bT1-bQpX OOC: sircatnip BSTech/SirCatnip : im smackin prate for humouring ic in ooc [14:41:16] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: sircatnip/(sircatnip BSTech) toggled OOC. (JMP) [14:41:21] bT1-bQpX OOC: Anabelle Sovno/Pratepresidenten : =( [14:41:24] bT1-bQpX OOC: Anabelle Sovno/Pratepresidenten : Now I got in trouble After this, you ahelped a second time, after Calion had advised you to make an IR, or complaint if you disagreed with his ruling: [14:41:08] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: HELP: Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev): no. no we are not. - heard by 3 non-AFK admins.[14:41:51] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: SirCatnip/(sircatnip BSTech)->Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev): Alright, let's https://forums.aurorastation.org/viewforum.php?f=36">talk about it. [14:42:17] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev)->SirCatnip/(sircatnip BSTech): or you can just read https://wiki.aurorastation.org/index.php?title=Corporate_Regulations [14:42:30] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev)->SirCatnip/(sircatnip BSTech): read the entries. [14:42:34] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev)->SirCatnip/(sircatnip BSTech): each and every one. [14:42:51] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev)->SirCatnip/(sircatnip BSTech): i DID NOT COMMIT A SINGLE CRIME as described by that wiki page [14:43:19] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: SirCatnip/(sircatnip BSTech)->Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev): No, you did not commit a single crime. Law is not really something Security are allowed nor employed to enforce. You publically shit-talked an Officer, correct? [14:44:49] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev)->SirCatnip/(sircatnip BSTech): i shit talked a woman who was incredibly rude AND accused me of stealing from someone. i said she was both acting like a cunt (she was and Katheryn does so in almost every round) and then said she was acting like she was the HoS and had command, instead of just being a grunt (she does this a lot) [14:44:55] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev)->SirCatnip/(sircatnip BSTech): shit-talk [14:45:02] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev)->SirCatnip/(sircatnip BSTech): or truth? [14:45:17] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev)->SirCatnip/(sircatnip BSTech): there was absolutely nothing to put me away for [14:45:37] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: SirCatnip/(sircatnip BSTech)->Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev): Perhaps both. From what I'm seeing reviewing the logs, you have already been informed that this is an IC issue, and aren't sure how to file an IR? [14:46:58] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev)->SirCatnip/(sircatnip BSTech): damnit, i shouldn't have to waste my time writing an entire another post with all this stuff (the third time explaining it) when the admins are right here. [14:47:14] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev)->SirCatnip/(sircatnip BSTech): also i can't find the rules for writing incident reportrs [14:47:25] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev)->SirCatnip/(sircatnip BSTech): APPARENTLY i don't have access to that forum [14:48:09] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: SirCatnip/(sircatnip BSTech)->Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev): I can run you through it if you like. https://forums.aurorastation.org/viewforum.php?f=81">Here's a link. [14:48:32] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: SirCatnip/(sircatnip BSTech)->Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev): https://forums.aurorastation.org/viewtopic.php?f=81&t=9525">And the format. [14:49:17] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: SirCatnip/(sircatnip BSTech)->Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev): Of course, if you still believe that this is an OOC issue you are free to describe to me why you feel that Calion's judgement is wrong. What you have told me is purely an IC issue and my skim of the logs says the same. [14:49:35] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev)->SirCatnip/(sircatnip BSTech): i know where the forum is, the problem is that i don't have the TIME to wait until an extended round finishes and then write up this entire thing - WITHOUT the logs - because for some reason the admins here can't read a fucking wiki article. [14:50:04] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev)->SirCatnip/(sircatnip BSTech): it doesn't really matter if this is an IC or OOC matter [14:50:16] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: SirCatnip/(sircatnip BSTech)->Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev): This is a roleplay server my friend. [14:50:20] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev)->SirCatnip/(sircatnip BSTech): what matters is WHY THE FUCK AM I TALKING TO YOU IF YOU CAN DO NOTHING ABOUT IT [14:50:25] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev)->SirCatnip/(sircatnip BSTech): why talk to admins EVER? [14:50:48] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev)->SirCatnip/(sircatnip BSTech): apparently you are powerless in every way [14:50:51] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: SirCatnip/(sircatnip BSTech)->Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev): Admins are not permitted to break character because somebody is frustrated with how things are going in-round. [14:51:01] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev)->SirCatnip/(sircatnip BSTech): break character? what? [14:51:07] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev)->SirCatnip/(sircatnip BSTech): the hell are you going on about? [14:51:14] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev)->SirCatnip/(sircatnip BSTech): and frustrated? [14:51:50] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev)->SirCatnip/(sircatnip BSTech): the people in security were NOT following the regulations they are supposed to follow and i got fucked for it? how is that NOT in your purview? [14:52:31] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev)->SirCatnip/(sircatnip BSTech): i know for a damn fact i've recieved warnings from admins saying that if i did something again i'd be in trouble [14:52:47] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev)->SirCatnip/(sircatnip BSTech): sometimes waiting for me next time i arrived. [14:54:16] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev)->SirCatnip/(sircatnip BSTech): why, now that i've got a problem the admins are suddenly powerless when they're perfectly capable of sending messages to me when someone else is upset? [14:55:01] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: SirCatnip/(sircatnip BSTech)->Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev): Please, try to understand: Security arresting you for calling an Officer a cunt, while definitely unbecoming and worth review on an IC standpoint, is absolutely an IC issue, which within the perview of characters and CCIA, not OOC staff. If they are breaking OOC rules, we step in, if they are breaking regulations, that is generally an IC issue. [14:55:52] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev)->SirCatnip/(sircatnip BSTech): so what you're telling me is that you and the other admin have wasted my time for however fucking long this took? [14:55:55] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: SirCatnip/(sircatnip BSTech)->Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev): Calion ruled this as an IC issue, you can speak to a Head of Staff or file an IR. If you have a problem with his ruling you are free to make a staff complaint, but what you have told me here is that you do not see the difference between IC regulations and OOC rules. [14:56:24] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: SirCatnip/(sircatnip BSTech)->Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev): This was explained to you at the time, and you chose to bring it to OOC and make a second ahelp. [14:56:28] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev)->SirCatnip/(sircatnip BSTech): for security the regulations ARE OOC. they are set out in EXTREMELY clear writing at an ooc source [14:56:34] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev)->SirCatnip/(sircatnip BSTech): not defined IC. [14:56:59] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: SirCatnip/(sircatnip BSTech)->Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev): No. IC regulations are not OOC. [14:57:36] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: SirCatnip/(sircatnip BSTech)->Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev): If you have a problem with the ruling, again, you can make a staff complaint. And if you have a problem with an IC issue, again, you can make an IR. [14:57:49] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: SirCatnip/(sircatnip BSTech)->Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev): Anything else? [14:59:18] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev)->SirCatnip/(sircatnip BSTech): and there's the rub. why the fuck do i have to go repeat all this to someone else? this is YOUR JOB. right here. it's up to you to make sure that shitcurity doesn't happen. what you're telling me is taht you have absolutely no interest in dealing with any problem that you can 'technicality' your way into not dealing with. [14:59:55] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev)->SirCatnip/(sircatnip BSTech): with how long extended rounds go for i will be ASLEEP when this ends. [15:00:01] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev)->SirCatnip/(sircatnip BSTech): i can't fucking wait that long. [15:00:34] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev)->SirCatnip/(sircatnip BSTech): fuck i should never play on a rond without Coalf [15:02:59] bT1-bQpX ADMIN: PM: SirCatnip/(sircatnip BSTech)->Gamerlord_357/(Alma Alekseev): Please type view-tickets and carefully read over what I have sent you. Admins are absolutely not allowed to interfere with IC issues, end of story. If you don't have time to handle an IC issue ICly, you aren't being forced to. Cryo is available in the brig and on both crew floors.
calion12 Posted April 22, 2018 Posted April 22, 2018 Okay then. I will start off by saying; the officer that processed you was logged at the time. I told you this and that as a result I could not contact them to get their side of the story. I'm not going to rain down punishment for something that may not have been worthy of it hence why I suggested initially that you make a complaint which would force a dialogue to sort this out. Second of all, this is a definite IC issue. You keep referencing vague "admins punished me for IC things" but I personally have not witnessed this and unless it spans into rule breaking territory it shouldn't happen. As this was IC, Catnip and I both told you to make an IR or incident report so that this could get sorted out in-character where it belongs. To say that you did nothing wrong while shouting about how the officer was a cunt and bitch etc. does not make sense. Were I to do the same in a workplace, school or anywhere else public you can bet your ass it wouldn't go down well. I do not know how the punishment became such a long brig sentence because again, they were logged at the time. Now I could have just waited for them to come back but we didn't know how long that would take and so I told you to file the complaint to force the dialogue. So, now that we have confirmed this as an IC issue, making an IR report would be more fitting.
TishinaStalker Posted April 22, 2018 Posted April 22, 2018 Thread title edited. Please don't be stupid with titles for serious threads.
Gamerlord Posted April 23, 2018 Author Posted April 23, 2018 To say that you did nothing wrong while shouting about how the officer was a cunt and bitch etc. does not make sense. Were I to do the same in a workplace, school or anywhere else public you can bet your ass it wouldn't go down well. I do not know how the punishment became such a long brig sentence because again, they were logged at the time. Now I could have just waited for them to come back but we didn't know how long that would take and so I told you to file the complaint to force the dialogue. So, now that we have confirmed this as an IC issue, making an IR report would be more fitting. Except that's not what happened. I wasn't saying 'I did nothing wrong' I was saying 'this officer is acting like a rude bitch and I'm not going to help her because of that'. Also, I did not shout. So saying in a workplace that this person from another department is being a rude bitch and I'm not going to help them while they're like that... isn't really that 'big'. Especially when I ceased the moment someone higher on the chain of command spoke up. Also do remember that Security are not police. Therefore they are NOT entitled to the same respect and deference a police officer would be IRL.
Ornias Posted April 23, 2018 Posted April 23, 2018 they are NOT entitled to the same respect and deference a police officer would be IRL. yeah lol they'd be entitled to more because they're your coworkers, not civil servants
AmoryBlaine Posted April 23, 2018 Posted April 23, 2018 What even is the focus of this complaint? It's so vague- and it feels like it should be in player complaints section now. It started off being about Staff not handling an 'OOC' issue, to now talking about how much you should respect fellow co-workers and why it's okay(?) for you to talk shit on the Officer but not for them to stop you from doing something you shouldn't be doing.
Bygonehero Posted April 23, 2018 Posted April 23, 2018 I was the Ai this shift I believe she was imprisoned for resisting arrest, hooliganism and tresspassing, as all three of these were reported on sec channel
Gamerlord Posted April 23, 2018 Author Posted April 23, 2018 I was the Ai this shift I believe she was imprisoned for resisting arrest, hooliganism and tresspassing, as all three of these were reported on sec channel Yet all three are bullshit. I did not resist arrest, hooliganism I've already gone over and 'trespassing' was removing a pair of windows and a grate so that Katheryn could get into Robotics and subdue Tim. What even is the focus of this complaint? It's so vague- and it feels like it should be in player complaints section now. It started off being about Staff not handling an 'OOC' issue, to now talking about how much you should respect fellow co-workers and why it's okay(?) for you to talk shit on the Officer but not for them to stop you from doing something you shouldn't be doing. My point is saying that the actions of the three members of Security were incorrect both IC and OOC, that the Staff decided to handle an OOC problem (people being OOC by being shitcurity) as an IC problem which just so happens to put all the onus on me to make long ridiculous reports and frees them of having to actually do anything and that at no point did I do anything meriting an infraction and that what I was actually locked up for was publicly insulting a Security Officer. Also that when it comes to things of a scientific nature (bluespace, unknown/rare tech, etc) that officers of security should defer to the expertise of those who actually have training in that area, aka Research. yeah lol they'd be entitled to more because they're your coworkers, not civil servants That would be great and all, but she was a rude abrasive bitch first! In fact, she's a rude abrasive bitch in every round! If your coworker is a raging bitch and someone you have absolutely no desire to interact with then you obviously are not going to show them respect. I initially walked into my lab and abandoned her because she was being rude and demanding.
AmoryBlaine Posted April 23, 2018 Posted April 23, 2018 Snip What you've described throughout this complaint is not ShitSec. It's just poor communication on the part of the Warden to tell you what your charges are and Linerbord to explain why you broke into Robotics. If Linerbord wants to be a bitch to you, they can, although I'm not sure how asking you to stop looting someone and to allow them out is 'being a bitch'. YOU believe it's right for YOU to take the 'BlueSpace' tech, that doesn't mean it is. That is evidence or private property depending on what the Security team and Command deem it to be. It is not for you to take simply because of an 'expertise' on the subject. And no, you don't get to go on comms and talk shit. "She started it!" Doesn't help you, because it makes a point of highlighting how childish this whole complaint is. This is the situation dumbed down. Man has strange shit. You want to police strange shit. Officer does not want you to police strange shit, because it is not your job to take shit from other people who are being detained or arrested. You don't comply. You get arrested by another Officer, and the Warden brigs you without telling you your charges.
Gamerlord Posted April 23, 2018 Author Posted April 23, 2018 Snip What you've described throughout this complaint is not ShitSec. It's just poor communication on the part of the Warden to tell you what your charges are and Linerbord to explain why you broke into Robotics. If Linerbord wants to be a bitch to you, they can, although I'm not sure how asking you to stop looting someone and to allow them out is 'being a bitch'. YOU believe it's right for YOU to take the 'BlueSpace' tech, that doesn't mean it is. That is evidence or private property depending on what the Security team and Command deem it to be. It is not for you to take simply because of an 'expertise' on the subject. And no, you don't get to go on comms and talk shit. "She started it!" Doesn't help you, because it makes a point of highlighting how childish this whole complaint is. This is the situation dumbed down. Man has strange shit. You want to police strange shit. Officer does not want you to police strange shit, because it is not your job to take shit from other people who are being detained or arrested. You don't comply. You get arrested by another Officer, and the Warden brigs you without telling you your charges. Whatever. I cannot waste any more of my time explaining the same basic concepts over and over.
Faris Posted April 23, 2018 Posted April 23, 2018 I remind people of the following. Only post if involved or you have something to contribute. If you are not a moderator or administrator and were not involved in the incident(s) referred to, you may not post or reply to a staff complaint regarding said incident(s). It is permissible, however, to provide testimony regarding a staff member's behavior backed by proof, in the form of screenshots or logs, or as a witness of some form that can (respectfully) verify/refute any claims madeStay on topic, this means that the posts should be constructive and focus on the complaint itself only. Any off-topic post made will be removed and met with a reminder to remain on topic. Do not use ad hominem. This means do not attack a person's character (character in this case meaning the mental and moral qualities distinctive to an individual). You are expected to argue the presented ideas, not the person. If someone were to attack you, don’t take matters into your own hands, report it to us. Warnings or bans will be issued.
Faris Posted April 24, 2018 Posted April 24, 2018 I honestly feel this situation itself was something we deem as in-character conflict. It wasn't over the top nor does it any break any rules. Characters are supposed to exhibit a certain level of competency which they all have, that doesn't mean they are immune to mistakes and their own personal ambitions here. What both [mention]calion12[/mention] and [mention]SirCatnip[/mention] said to you was correct, that it was just an in-character issue which you had the capability to handle such as contacting a member of command or filing a report with CCIA. The only Out-Of-Character issues I see here are from you when you decided to bring IC information to the OOC chat, which is a direct violation of the rules. Staff however were lenient in their understanding with your frustration. [mention]SirCatnip[/mention] was under no obligation to further explain it to you as Calions explanation was sufficient. [mention]SirCatnip[/mention] was not required to be lenient with your IC-in-OOC, but he was in consideration with your frustration. I did not have to point you to the correct subforum nor correct your original post to fit the format when our instructions are clear, but I did. I'm deeming their actions as staff to be valid with no issue with their verdict. You're still welcome to file an incident report if you wish to further pursue this, or don't, it's up to you.
Faris Posted April 26, 2018 Posted April 26, 2018 Gave it more than 24 hours. I will advise the person filing this complaint to improve their attitude when interacting with people. Locking and archiving.
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