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[mention]Garnascus[/mention][mention]ForgottenTraveller[/mention]

Tbh - Really wish Vaurca's lore was more attuned to insects (pheromone mechanics reeee) but nah we had to go with robot phoron prawns. >_>

Winoa Summers: Research Director, Contract Queen, Will push you over for yelling at science staff Eleanor Shen: Newly promoted Captain (from HoP/IAA), kind of a mom Feedback plz. Constructive criticism welcome.

And yes, after my backup arrived, I did yell to kill you, I assumed you were one of the mutineers and you had just sent me to my grave with a full load of SMG bullets. I spent the rest of the round on a surgery table changing hands.

I'd like to drop this complaint.

I'm not reading most of this, I've read the first few posts, and skimmed the rest. I played Winoa. No, I did not ask through ahelp, for people to lynch you, in fact - I have my own complaint in regards to Datberry posted right now, and it's hilarious you'd suggest that a lynching was the case (admins and I do not get along 100%, and the odds of some sort of meta friendship influencing anything in my favour is hilarious) , in fact, when I ahelped, my intention was not even for you to end up banned. Now, my side in very brief points. I exit science, you are standing outside with a cult blade on the ground beside you. I pickup the sword, see the culty affects of it, and throw it into science (I can't remember if I had to re-open the doors, or if they were still open from my exit). At this point, you said "HEY" and ran into science's doorway, I flashed you before you could enter science completely, and dragged you out. I explained you didn't need a sword on code red. I had no further intent to hurt you, or have you arrested, I was simply removing a weapon from the hallway during code red, which holding would probably have gotten you shot by security. I walked down the hall, and opened up my PDA, then I see that you've pushed me over, this would have been fine - angry employee pushes over boss, but at the time I was carrying an SMG that the Head of Security had forgotten to grab when she grabbed her first one from RnD, and you picked this fully loaded SMG up. You tried to run, so when I got up, I unloaded a stun revolver at you, this was DEFINITELY an oversight of mine, because I did not connect the dots that the SMG was going to be used against me in retaliation like I should have. Does this mean a non-antag should have engaged me with a purely lethal weapon? Not in my opinion. It was at this point I screamed for aid, you CONTINUED shooting, and I do NOT, at ANY POINT, remember being aimed at. If admins have definite pictures and/or logs of me being aimed at, then obviously I must have been, but I was not aware of it at the time. It is to my memory, that you fired of your own will at me again and again, while I was standing still in shock from being fired upon. I had stopped moving, stopped chasing, you continued to fire. You do not fire a lethal SMG at someone without intent to kill, a single bullet can cause lethal injuries. After this, I ahelped and asked if you were an antag, and Datberry said he would investigate.

Js Blue is supposed to be used for suspected HOSTILE activity.

Retcon things, or play as a character that is very CLOSE in their education to progressing to a new job.

Please move it back, Garnacus explicity asked me to put it in suggestions.

I was encouraged to make this by ForgottenTraveller and Garnascus. Code Blue right now, means different things to different heads. The announcement for code blue and as far as regulations mention, only revokes rights to personal privacy, which allows Security to SEARCH without warrant. The announcement has never said, and before late, heads have never allowed, code blue to override arrest warrants. However, security lately has taken code blue as overriding arrest warrants, so I would like a formal clarification from CCIA or admins on this. The initial response from ForgottenT was that he doesn't like outlining everything, however with something that happens every round, we should have clear outlined regulation in regards to what Code Blue does and does not accomplish. I have three initial courses of action, but encourage CCIA to decide their own if they come up with something else: Code Blue Does NOT Nullify Arrest Warrants Head of Security/Warden/Captain will still need to use arrest warrants or the Warrant Assistant program to authorize arrests not directly witnessed by a Head of Staff or Security Officer. Searches are fully permitted without warrant. Code Blue DOES Nullify Arrest Warrants Arrest warrants do not need to be filed to complete an arrest on Code Blue, however once the emergency passes, the Warden or Head of Security should file paperwork copies to ensure accurate recording of arrests. Code Blue Dynamic Authority Allows the Captain, Head of Security to make the decision on whether arrest warrants and search warrants will be nullified during the alert level, this most be vocally announced to crew, and cannot be changed without a following code change to green and up again. The Capt/HoS does not have the authority to do a case-by-case decision, to ensure they don't nullify warrants whenever it'd be convenient for them.

I like this idea, but it'll lead to Heads of Staff demoting anyone with a disability that makes their work poor, aka a surgeon with a surgery handicap.

The point of an investigation is to collect information that neither party shared initially, or forgot to make known. I don't know what moderators are able to access (whether localized logs are available) or what, but I'm sure there is some method to do so. Onto your response to Garn in regards to me, you asked me to define powergaming and apply it to this situation, I would say that powergaming has a wider definition than just knowing more than your department, it also includes playing to win. I did insinuate/state that I did not believe you have read the full rules (tbh, I don't think most players have, perhaps not even staff), and that as a trial, you are not used to applying the rules. So, what I cited you were three to four excerpts from the rules that I believe, the player/character had violated/broken. You responded by saying none of those included the definition of powergaming, however that was not the point, I highlighted good parts of the rules I believed the antag to have avoided. I armed up two security officers who were vocally tasked with hunting down the Sol Commando, there was also a rogue AI at the time, the ling should have been aware if there was any time he could get away with his crimes, it was now.

So you admit you failed to actually investigate the issue, or talk to the other player about their side, and instead just made a judgement on the few words that I told you. Thanks! It is not really appropriate to talk to people like that in LOOC or Discord (a lot of people will tell you off in LOOC if you say ANYTHING about their character or their play) , and is definitely moreso the place of the admins.

He had the time to try and tell the gun to fire 'high explosive' rounds at me, luckily he did it wrong - you think his intent was not to utterly destroy me still???

As well, it was attempted murder and would have been charged as such. Any time you shoot more than three times at someone with lethal ballistics, you intent is to KILL.

I didn't think he was a ling or a threat at the time, so I had no issue staying to wrestle with him, that's on me, yes. But it was not a situation where I printed weapons and left, or him stealing. I literally printed it, and he picked it up two seconds later, and I specifically referred to the weapon, so do not try and say he thought I was talking about ALL of his weapons, because I referred to the weapon by name . I was arming two security officers with a weapon each, to deal with a sol commando and the AI. He was not a target of Security, as he had not antagged all round.

This is very misleading, he did not open fire on you for "no reason" you were ordering him to return the weapons, and he had assumed you were going to get him arrested. and the wording Implies he started shooting right off the bat. on the contrary, all he did at first was push you with force gloves and held a riot shield. You went after him with a flash. and stomped him. then he pulled a lawgiver and shot you, he did not even give chase after you ran away and left you to escape. A changeling was printing weapons during code red where security was armed by the armory and you were on your way to arm them with more weapons, now he had so many reasons to stop you, even kill you. but let's address the powergaming point. The definition of powergaming, as stated the changeling was first of all, an antag. that alone is a reason to get a weapon. secondly it was code red and everyone was dying. security armed and what not. having ling powers doesn't mean you can't use other equipment, I still don't believe you think this is a valid argument, your question came off threatening to the changeling, thinking you wanted him to hand over all his weapons, and believing you would get him arrested, not to mention you were going to arm security, his main counter force. he had enough reasons to KILL you. but he did not unload at you from the beginning, he pushed you and smacked you with the riot shield, hardly a murder attempt, you flashed them and as far as i know, made no attempt to escape until you unleashed fire at them. ???? why would he even care? don't give him security standards to escalation of force, they're the bad guy, they're not expected to follow lethal weapons regulations. and you were hardly unarmed, you had an instant stun weapon you have already used, and taking someone down with a flash is hilariously easy. He had no reasons to give you another shot at flashing him. I would argue he did drive a story, he played the shady insubordinate scientist who attacked the RD and let them off the hook so they could report it or do whatever they want. and you can't judge someone's roleplay on your own interactions with them alone. and lastly, antagonists are already having it hard, Do you really want us to start bwoinking antags for making weapons and shooting people who flashed them? I told you to quote it because what you were reporting as powergaming does not fit under the definition. Honestly, i said this because there wasn't any active and free admins at the time, i believe only prate was not afk and they were already dealing with other issues. and I had two other adminhelps to deal with and didn't want to extend the PMs anymore. Not really related, but if you ever think I am doing a sub-par work, don't shy off from making a staff complaint, It was a very busy round for me in PM handling to the point where i had to completely stop playing and I may have made a mistake, that you or someone else could point out. but i believe this time I've addressed all concerns. Now to delta's reply. They did not kill them, hardly, they pushed them and whacked them, and they came back and flashed the ling. even after all this they did not kill them nor attempt to follow them and silence them from speaking. here's the sequence of events from how I understood it: RD walks in and prints a weapon scientist ling takes weapon RD asks them to hand it over scientist pushes them with force gloves and bashed them with shield RD gets up flashes them and kicks them on the floor scientist gets up and unloads at RD RD escapes scientist doesn't chase. the scientist had enough reason to fight, and their other claim, as i stated before, was that the antag was powergaming by hording weapons, during code red. and that's why i asked them to check the rules themselves because that is not what i would call powergaming, not by a long shot. I kind of oppose everything you've written here in terms of the situation. Me asking him to hand over something of mine that he picked up is not 'threatening' or 'implying I'll call security'. I asked him to hand me something that I printed and was on the floor, just as I would if I dropped my PDA, or anything else belonging to me, I asked three times and there was never any implication I was going to call security or escalate, I did not disarm him or try to remove them. To imply me flashing him was escalating, he was literally bashing my face in with a riot shield and I had already been in medical three times with life threatening injuries, and was missing an arm from an earlier door shocking. He cornered me against the door and was hitting me, so he got flashed and of course, I started kicking him - my character was angry. He then escalated by taking out a lawgiver and opening fire on me after running away from where he was laying down, OPENING fire on an unarmed, unarmoured Research Director that he could have taken hostage. He WOULD have killed me if I had not moved out of the path of his final bullets before he was forced to flee by the security outside the window. The reason it escalated to him using guns was not, me kicking him, it was him throwing me with forcegloves and bashing me with a shield multiple times. As well, antags are entirely held to escalation expectations! Not as stringent as Security, but the expectations exist in the rules that I copy and pasted to you in our ahelp conversation: From The Rules

BYOND Key: XanderDox Staff BYOND Key: DatBerry Game ID: bP1-cZjd Reason for complaint: Not enforcing the rules properly Evidence/logs/etc: See GameID, Ahelp crashing makes it impossible for me to screenshot logs from chat. Additional remarks: Essentially, Hackon Something, Scientist, decided to spend the entire shift doing weapons research, this would be FINE. However, it was revealed that Hackon was a changeling. Now, this would still be fine - Antags should be able to use their departments to their advantage! But this is what happened. I was the Research Director, and I was printing off some weapons for security (code red), I printed off a demolecularizer, and while I was handing Security other guns, Hackon came in and picked the demolecularizer up, I kindly asked him to hand it to me, as I printed it off for myself, he said no, I asked him again, he ignored me and printed force gloves, I ordered him to hand it back to me, and he pushed me across the room with the gloves, and then picked up a riot shield that was in the lab for whatever reason, and began bashing my face in, this is VERY minimal roleplay. I finally get grips on what's happening and flash him, so I begin kicking him in a panic because at this point, I'm a one-handed RD with a flash and nothing else. He gets up, and pulls out a lawgiver, and begins opening fire on me, with intent to kill me. This is the absolute barebones RP possible. Now, I wouldn't have an issue with this, if he had tried to RP with me more, OR even tried to seem like an antag earlier in the shift. However, he did not, he spent the shift researching weapons, filled his bag with an armoury worth of different methods of killing people, and then just opened fire when he got his chance. An antag, per our rules, is meant to drive story, roleplay with people, and make the round enjoyable. Hakon did not do this, so I ahelped. Datberry, who this complaint is about, responded, and was quite unhelpful and even somewhat dismissive. I accused Hakon of powergaming (since he printed off plenty of weapons and just shoved them in his bag near round-end), and instead of investigating anything, he immediately responds that I should get the official definition of powergaming, recite it back to him, and explain how it applies. It is NOT the player's responsibility to prove guilt, it is the player's responsibility to report questionable incidents, and then for staff to INVESTIGATE it and determine what occured, and then make a decision. I should not have to be the Prosecution inside of an ahelp, and prove anything before staff will investigate. I then asked to speak with an admin because I was not OK with how my ahelp was handeled, I was told every staff decision is final on-server, and I could not speak with an admin. If this is admin-policy, I'd like it explained WHY by a senior admin or Headmin. The goal of this complaint is not to in anyway, damage Datberry of his chance to become a moderator, but I would like to see Hackon's conduct addressed.

We use nothing, we have a large mix of policies from heads of staff, station directives, corporate regulations, and CCIA announcements. There is no SOP because work on the Aurora is never standard.

I was allowed to kill myself as an LI'd HOS because I got unstable after cutting a lings head off. Suicide is 100% permissable when you have a decent reason for it, of course - Ahelping should occur, but admins almost always say yes and I think I might have the most admin-approved suicides to date tbh.

Not listening to the Captain in situations like this is garbage, often it is only the Captain/HoS who can save an antag and actually continue the game on if it's within their best judgement. This stops working if you start breaking the chain of command and pretending your underpaid Security Officer has some higher morale agenda. Has anyone mentioned the continued annoying behaviour of putting labelled papers on people?

I was in this round, didnt see much about this besides watching Booker get dragged into the brig. As a HoS/Sec Semi-Main, lethals or an ion gun blast is the safest way to disable an IPC - when you choose to play an IPC, which has numerous benefits including combat ones, you accept that crew have the right to terminate you with the force required to stop a threat. The same applies for dionae.

I'd suggest playing for about a month before going through with this app. I dont recognize your character names at all, and I play daily, so I cannot comment on any behaviour. However, being a Head of Staff on Aurora requires good knowledge of all our regulations, CCIA set policies and Station Directives, and furthermore requires acceptable interpretations of such. Playing longer and as an interim Head in some rounds (Talk to the Captain) will bring you lots of success in the application process

Hi. The Head of Security gets a golden badge, that badge is labelled the 'Commander's Badge' and identifies the head of security as the commander, of security.

There's a new game called Rise of Industry that's in EA rn, you should check it out on YouTube. I also loved OpenTTD, would love to play with people, but I'd be quite bad ;P