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Going to need a proper citation on this, and not just from the fact that cyborgs can ghost. Overall it's irrelevant to the suggestion. All mechanics point to them having souls. This suggestion isn't about 'borgs and people need to stop trying to make it about them. IPCs are not 'borgs. Magic will not be explained in Lore. Then let's sit down and wait for official word on souls instead of hearsay.

Any official word is better than hearsay, which is the matter of IPC souls for the moment. Heck, if IPC's have souls then Cyborgs definitely have souls. Yes, they do, what's the point? Going to need a proper citation on this, and not just from the fact that cyborgs can ghost.

Any official word is better than hearsay, which is the matter of IPC souls for the moment. Heck, if IPC's have souls then Cyborgs definitely have souls.

Can you point me to where I can find such information? Wiki states "Ultimately they are robotic in nature" and "The book definition of an android is ‘an automaton designed to mimic human life.’ This is applicable to today’s androids" So what gives? Ask Cake and multiple other people. They're the ones who spread this information. As for them having souls, what do you think the players' ghost is? That's canon. Why do you think soulstones work on them? That's canon. Being robotic in nature and being 'Just a robot' are not the same thing. Beepsky is just a robot. The robot alt-title for 'borgs is 'Just a robot'. IPCs are not just a robot. They are sentient. We're having a similar discussion over in the "Synthetic policies and regulations" thread over on the regulation suggestion forum. Cake has said they'll soon come back with an answer.

+1 There's no reason a dedicated clerk shouldn't be able to perform any of these.

+1 If someone wants to play a cyborg paper-pusher then, by all means, give them all the peripherals they could ever desire.

Point made. What an absolutely loaded question. It does not prove any points since the logic is flawed. The information is there for anyone to acquire. You just have to put time and effort in it. There is nothing keeping you from learning except your own time and effort. And you don't even have to research yourself as a chemist or researcher. Social skills are a thing. I learned about 3 or 4 secret chems as Sukhoi, without ever touching a ChemMaster, and ICly. You're simply being lazy about it. I will admit to it being a loaded question, but the truth is that if people had any intent of sharing the information of alchemy and secret chems then the information would've been made publicly available a long time ago. The fact that this very topic has been argued for months only reinforces that idea.

Reckon you're reading this backwards. The suggestion is in fact to not treat IPC's as people and make the regulations reflect that.

Will you tell me the ingredients for the secret chems? If you won't then you are proving my point. I sure won't, but I can offer you guidance. Point made.

But if they are indeed static, why aren't they public knowledge? Chemistry is already complaining that it's completing its task in 30 minutes or less, so why not giving them more to do and have them keep researching? Currently what we have is a small group of people greedily hoarding information and using it to create stuff no one else has the knowledge to do. It's technically full on metaknowledge at this point. Can't exactly hoard information literally anyone can go take the time to find out themselves. Will you tell me the ingredients for the secret chems? If you won't then you are proving my point.

On the fence by this idea. I'd like to make a counter suggestion with adding more "Emergency medical supplies" lockers with inaprovaline, lesser dexaline pills, and bandages. To keep a patient alive until the EMT can arrive on location.

But if they are indeed static, why aren't they public knowledge? Chemistry is already complaining that it's completing its task in 30 minutes or less, so why not giving them more to do and have them keep researching? Currently what we have is a small group of people greedily hoarding information and using it to create stuff no one else has the knowledge to do. It's technically full on metaknowledge at this point.

+1 I like this idea. Either way we're going to force some clarification if IPC's are people or not.

+1 My words on this will simply be that If people will insist on keeping "secret" chems and alchemy out of the wiki, then make the ingredients random. There's absolutely no point in making ingredients for such things persistent if it is Intended that you research for them. Edit: Heck, we should simply call out folk who persistently make these secret chems and alchemy for metaknowledge.

Should we be concerned that this pushes solitary straight up against the armory as well?

One one hand, I disagree because ordinary executions are a waste of resources and it's neat and tidy for NT to simply repurpose any hostile elements towards the corporation into useful resources. On the other hand I do agree because metawise, it's damn triggerworthy to have your character lobotomized. Suggesting that it's meta-shoehorned in that any prisoner who is up for execution gets to chose between straight up execution, cyborgification, permabrig (For execution back on Odin), or when permabrig is unavailable, cryptosleeping out of the round (for effectively the same thing).

You mean in the same manner cyborgs has cameras?

Puuuurge. Purge the shrubberies. But in all honesty, I'm not sure whether to upvote or downvote this. On one hand, it's a legit, canonical thing. On the other hand, it'd make Dionaea a bit iffy to employ and give them even more significant advantages to the other races.

Pretty much what it says on the tin. Currently you can't make cable coils through the autolathe, which is a downright shame. I personally don't see how the autolathe can perform precision work with chemical compounds, but not make cables.

The thing is, never once have I ever seen Science make something for mining unprompted. Science could in theory just spit out industrial drills at round start, but do they ever do it? Nope.

I believe that it's a game mode to be voted for. I'm afraid I don't know the statistics of Extended ending up on secret, but I believe that if we run them side by side then we might see more extended overall than currently.

I very much enjoyed this event. I wouldn't mind having it extended.

Weren't there talk of rolling back medbay anyhow till before the massive change?

+1 Found this after the bump and I absolutely love it. Why nothing has been done about this yet is beyond my comprehension.

Considering some traitor gimmics, this would be a definite step up. It's like Antag+Ninja but forcing the Ninja to actually do something. +1 from me.