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There is a difference between 'this may cause your death' and 'kill me outright'. I'm talking about a very specific instances, wherein the purpose of the experiment was to kill someone, not as a potential side effect.

Just because someone signs a waiver doesn't make it okay. You can't sign a paper giving someone permission to kill you, and whoever did kill you can still be charged and arrested.

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That's because the last time someone made a complaint about Feros' player, the community response was 'wow why do u guys hate fun' and tried to justify his behavior.

No. No. No. No. No. No. No. I detest this idea. It isn't how cororations work, leave Tau Ceti as a Sol Alliance system. Leave Biesel as a Sol Alliance world. Stop trying to enforce this crappy grimderp supercorp Eclipse Phase shit, it is really awful. I am totally okay with NT having shady business practices and sneaking things like real corporations do but they shouldn't get any extra special leeway and shouldn't own entire systems like some sovereign nation or have ridiculous amounts of government officials in their pockets. Corruption is okay. Super grimderp 'we own your entire world our law now' is not only unfeasible and difficult to swallow, it sounds like crappily thought out Light RP lore from /tg/ or something justifying Security being able to beat people with batons. Let the players determine who is good and bade by their own IC viewpoint. Just present NanoTrasen and the Alliance as neutral. Everyone will have differing opinions just like in real life and we don't have to go down this ridiculous path of having NanoTrasen be some stupid sovereign, recognized state despite being a corporation.

Yet was that threat justified. If I were to say "Any criminals surrender or I'll blow your face off" and then laser an assistant for stealing the chef's hat, would that be the appropriate amount of force required in that situation? 1138 chose to use an unnecessary amount of force on an unarmed target who posed no threat and took a player out of the round 4noraisins, and is now attempting to hide behind 'but it made things interesting rite guys' to justify it. There was no reason to use that amount of force. Whether or not he made a threat is irrelevant. I could threaten any number of rule-breaking things, as in the example above, and should I get away with it because I warned the guy? Is lasering an assistant for stealing an item the appropriate response, since I warned him I'd destroy him if he didn't surrender?

A new combat mechanic? Yeah no. Because whenever I go up against riot cops with smoke grenades I can totally home run their grenades back at them without damaging it or making it detonate anyway. Totally against. Ridiculous mechanic.

As long as we don't start saying 'NanoTrasen can execute anyone they want silently and pay off every single member of the Sol Alliance' (someone has said this to me before, I am not embellishing) I am totally okay with them being at the forefront of whatever like Apple or Microsoft.

Yes, those are attributed to zealous groups in real life - religious or otherwise - who aren't exactly known for being logical. Terrorists who only target America because Allah Snackbar or whatever, yes, they are narrowminded, but that is a result of their formation - a religious one. Long story short, I am saying ecoterrorists and religious terrorists and whoever that do these things due to personal beliefs are more predisposed to ignorant narrow-minded behavior because of their origin. Now, the mafia - organized crime - on the other hand is not the same. They deal in a wide variety of illegal goods and have a wide variety of enemies. The entire concept of billions and billions of people from many different walks of life with many different ideals (not one ideal like in, say, Al-Qaeda or ISIS) all getting along super good and making enough profit to sustain themselves over the hate of one company is unbelievable. It's ridiculous. Have the Syndicate be a misnomer (like how many Americans call any Middle-Eastern terrorist group Al-Qaeda or ISIS because lel) for a wide variety of autonomous cells with their own interests who do fight each other as much as they fight the law, with less focus on NanoTrasen and more on either corporations in general or a broad array of criminal interests for a more dynamic, realistic criminal coalition.

Unrealistic levels of grimderp aren't fun, they are immersion breaking and awful. Whisteblowers exist. Saying NanoTrasen can just execute whoever whenever repeatedly with no one making the connection is stupid. Walmart used to use child labor in the 90s and there was a huge scandal about it. Humans do look past the surface, and I highly doubt you can just kill someone to make all the problems go away. A station of 50 blows up, that leaves 50 families to blow the cover-up sky high. Less grimderp, more like a real corporation. I'd rather the Sol Alliance play a larger role and fill the niche of 'good' or 'bad' guy as the government, which is how most people view their own in reality.

The Syndicate should be about more than just 'lel anti-NT', they should dislike them about the same as other large competitors and not just have a boner for one company. It makes them seem narrow-minded and ignorant and unrealistic. The name 'The Syndicate' is also awful and cliche and please ugh kill me ugh. I'd prefer them to be entirely unnamed or have their cells autonomous with their own names. Also less centralization, less 'one big' conglomeration.

It also takes days for DNA results to get back, and for wounds to heal, and for surgical scars to heal, and so on and so forth. This game is not very realistic. I am fine with how it is now. Autopsy reports would be entirely useless otherwise. Also, tool marks bruh.

Flashbangs aren't ganking. Shooting armed people isn't ganking. I am still of the opinion allowing OOC information (that being the player is an antag) affect IC behavior is metagaming. What everyone seems to be suggesting is that hostage situations should be a hands-down instant win for antagonists and security is never justified ever to do anything except be super polite to Mr. Antag and give him everything he wants and never consider any other responses because people will cry of gank. If there is antagonist with a revolver, and he is shooting at me and or others, what is wrong with shooting him? If negotiations fail in a hostage situation, what is wrong with responding with force? If the antag is actively a threat to innocent people, why can't I shoot him? Antags have shot at me before unprovoked simply because I am security. That is a double standard. Antagonist or not, everyone should be treated the same and fairly. Just because someone is a traitor doesn't mean we should pretend they don't exist to foster fun, interesting [citation needed] roleplay.

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...Getting hurt already makes you bleed. We have a bleeding system.

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Hated the idea when it was suggested on Bay, still hate it. No thanks. This wouldn't really foster any interaction. People hate sec, they'll hate them even if they're in department and refuse to talk to them. The only difference is security is effectively divided, isolated, and trapped in their departments, making it more difficult to respond to calls. Change for the worse. Plus I'm sure the antags would love the added heat on cameras, what with four officers watching their every move because nothing else to do.

I don't know where you guys are getting 'metrocop' from. That's like... gas masks and stun batons. Granted we have half of that, but... If you're talking about real world cops, well, I guess there's a reason most security firms favor white, navy blue, or regular blue. I dunno. I like Sec kinda looking like Black Mesa sec.

Selling land =/= becoming an autonomous state. Asteroidia? Really? You people literally said at the start of the round in the nuke op base you weren't even going to bother to take the round seriously.

Well, the nuke ops aren't exactly faultless here. They last-minute rushed for the nuke, and I really don't buy 'destroying the singularity' was the actual reason for doing so. They were purposely trying to set the timer to blow up before the shuttle left, but they failed to account for BYOND's awful timekeeping. IMO if anyone needs the complaint it's the ops. That round was a cavalcade of stuff I'd expect from a light RP server, what with 'hail astroidia 666' being shouted every two seconds.

Except the nuke went off after the shuttle left, so no one died.

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I mean, I guess the hats make them look like cops but who really cares if they do. The HoS literally has a cop hat, and the warden. Officers don't get them and won't.

Why bother when shooting him dead achieves the same thing. The dude is literally running around murdering crew and you're still harping on non-lethal takedowns? Let me explain something to you - in the situation you just proposed, lethal force is 100% justifiable and should be used. The wizard is a danger to myself and the people around me, ergo my life and others are in danger so blowing his face off is the next logical step because he's already doing that himself to other people. I will never understand why some players seem to think that even if the guy has just gone on a revolver murder spree and is armed with 6 shotguns, if security uses lethal force they're baddies omg. The necessary force to respond to someone killing people is equal, IE since they are using lethal force I am going to use lethal force. Don't try to use me to justify your logical fallacies. It was 1 am in the morning and I was shooting someone, what kind of idiot runs in front of someone actively shooting a gun? The changeling had broken into my office, shot at both me and my officers, escaped confinement, Central gave us the go ahead to kill it, and it had regenerated from lasers about 3 times. I was well within my rights to go and blow it's head off - no, I did not expect some doctor to decide to run in front of a gun actively being fired. Not my fault. If the crew is turning against you, you are doing something wrong. Re-evaluate your actions and clarify why you are doing what you are doing. Going straight to lethals is shitty for everyone involved and a terrible modus operati. Not really, because the crew is often full of irrational security hate boners. It's awfuly presumptuous to pretend that the crew is always right and security is the one always at fault, and the crew never doesn't have a reason to start their bitching. This isn't bias at all. Congratulations. Your argument has lost basically all credibility because you've just become a massive hypocrite. Good job. Who exactly did you punish with that ling round there, Jamini? Security? Was security the dude you murdered and then cremated unfairly? Evidently it's okay when you do these powergamey things because you're trying to teach, uh... someone? a lesson. It's a double bladed sword, you know. The gankier and violent you are as an antag, the more I am going to respond in kind. I don't really care what happened to you during the last changeling round. You made a player complaint, it's being handled. You have absolutely no right or justification to do the things you've done and still try to hold the high ground. You're sensible. No idea why you seem to think fighting fire with fire (assuming there is any fire to fight at all to begin with) will lead to a favorable outcome. I don't see a guy 'taking a stand', I see a hypocrite who is metagrudging - since you're holding a grudge OOCly about what a HoS who rarely ever plays did, and acting on it even after having the staff review your complaint - and using some misguided security hate as justification for his questionable actions.

Metagame. Lethal and/or the dude eventually wakes up, perma sedation is as good as being dead except you can't become a new character. Too much collateral damage, plus if they can teleport out of cuffs they can teleport out of gas. A wizard has a head. It has a brain. Shooting someone in the head kills them. Ergo all you need to take on a wizard is a gun and half a brain on how to handle his magic. If you're trying to suggest we need to buff wizards so you need a crowd of angry pitchforked crewmen to even scratch the guy, then pls no.