Kaed

Suggestion: Put some glass windows and set of glass doors here, so that the turrets can fire at people without being subject to ballistic items such as ions. It also would make things fee a bit less weirdly empty and wide open. Also, the back door is terrible, don't.

One of the malf abilities is to reset borg modules in absence of the special robotics chip that does it. Sorry, I know I'm not involved but specifically answering your question not the thread topic itself. What he is saying is that the AI constantly used the reset ability on him, making him unable to perform timed actions such as constructing a converter.

I tentatively oppose this largely on the grounds that the amount of atmospheric noise impact wrenches make borders on toxic. If we're bringing them into mainstream use can we please tone down the sound bytes.

Very much in agreement here. I've been wanting us to stop relying so heavily on cultural mneumonics for design for a long time.

I think you might actually be more out of touch than the furries if you think this community is still about bald men smashing each other with toolboxes and ERPing. We're trying to run a setting and roleplay medium, not run around memeing and toolboxing each other. Actually doing half the shit or more that people 'associate' with SS13 would get you banned on the server. This thread feels more like an attempt to attack a section of the community that makes you uncomfortable than actually solve a real issue. Well, I'm uncomfortable with the obsession with SS13 meme culture in this community, but no one shuts it down when I say I think we should tone it down. Why are we obligated to censor things you dislike, but not things I dislike? Let's all just agree to be equally miserable and allow free expression.

That feel when you used to be a lore dev and the art for a plot arc character you personally wrote and submitted art for isn't recognized by people who play unathi....

Marlon, I like you and all, but this is some a weak sauce subject for a thread. You won't find any disagreement from me that the nazi regime was bad but we can't spend the rest of the time putting anything even tangentially related to them on blast. When you're accusing a bland little pixellated khaki uniform of being nazi imagery because of two red pixels on the arm, I think you've crossed the line from cautious to 'pearl-clutching excess'. I personally dislike how so many of our uniforms and clothing options in a far flung distant future are based on modern sociopolitical imagery, but I recognize that visual mnemonics are a powerful tool for telling people about what is going on. It is easier to give the silly cat people inexplicably soviet uniforms, as if the concepts of soviet russia are somehow part of a universal shared culture across galaxies, than it is to create something entirely fresh and new that might require you to explain more about what it means to a layman who just joined our setting. Plus, you can just photoshop cat heads on top of existing artwork and lol, tajaran art done, minimal effort required! But as with any visual mnemonic, replicating the uniform designs (even if only vaguely) of a facist or dictatorial regime comes with heavy baggage. People were hurt by these regimes, but we need to learn to separate the actions that people made under them from the the actual imagery involved. It is, in fact, possible to think that a nazi or even nazi-like uniform looks snappy without being a nazi, or pro-nazi, or even thinking things like nazis do. Even today in our world, some countries in the eastern asia region use or have used nazi imagery in media or advertising in hilariously cringey ways that cause westerners who to shuffle their feet in discomfort at the context they are seeing that these countries were oblivious or apathetic to. Even in this thread itself, I've seen people throw out accusations of nazi imagery, and accusations of accusations of nazi supporting. This is how people act on the internet when the subjects of nazi imagery comes up, and it's really sad. This isn't the way to behave, and the fact that nazis were (and still are, regrettably, today) bad people does not mean we should all act like highly judgmental, exclusionist jerks towards each other too. At the end of the day, you should be condemning nazi-like behavior on the server (spreading racism, advocating for hate crimes, etc), not trying to scrub out anything that you think might somehow invoke the visual metaphor of it.

That was the sum of the original complaint, as meandering as it was, yes. I would have phrased it as 'not skilled enough', but they amount to the same thing.

That's reasonable I suppose. And I mostly condense/summarize the stuff in the quotation to reduce the space my post is taking up, not like, to directly dismiss the argument there. It bugs me to include someone's entire multi paragraph post inside mine.

Okay. If that's how you feel. But, additionally, a pointless quotation to support my side: What's even the point of this discussion if everything boils down to 'my opinions are more valid than your and your associates?'. If you think that her improvements over the last wherever retroactively justify her position, than the best I can do is offer examples of code they made that other people (since I'm badman and invalid) thought looked bad. And that can simply be dismissed with "it's good enough for us though," rendering the entire process pointless. I will grant you that you present a much more reasoned set of arguments than the last few vitriolic ad hominem rebuttals (now deleted by garn) that amounted to 'how dare u criticize someone when ur also not good'. Perhaps her work has improved significantly since she started work as a dev, but that still raises the question, for me, of why she was invited to the dev team in the first place when her early efforts were so lackluster. They could have made those same improvements as a regular non-staff contributor, and still continue to. She did not, and still doesn't, need to be on the dev team to improve. Looking back at her original app and the work she presented at the time, where half of the PRs she showed as her work were closed before being finished, many of them had glaring code issues, and one of them even contained copyright infringement, I frankly don't understand why they were even accepted at that stage. Even at the time everyone seemed largely cautious or neutral at best, save for Moondancer's... strangely out of place adoring recommendation... (is there an opposite of to that 'BEC' thing they cited me acting under? ?). Anyway. Point is, I don't really have an argument to make here other than 'I disagree with your relaxed standards'.

I'm not here to get into a debate with you over the correctness of your behavior or reviews. I've made this thread to bring up community and staff consideration on the subject of your viability as a developer at your current skill level. I've been concerned with your performance specifically for a long time, as have people I speak to on the subject of Aurora code and development, such as Lohikar, who might not be a part of the developer team anymore, but is generally a person whose opinions and knowledge on code I consider worthy of great respect. At the end of the day though, it's the rest of the current staff team, and to a lesser extent, the community at large, that will determine how this pans out. To somewhat paraphrase a mirror of your own defense, I don't really need permission to create a staff complaint over my concerns for your performance, nor does it mean that the staff team is required to ask for your resignation just because I made it.

BYOND Key: Kaedwuff Staff BYOND Key: Ladyfowl/DRagO Game ID: N/A Reason for complaint: I'm not really sure how else to put this delicately, but I have concerns in the staff team's decision to empower Drago as an official developer. While she certainly seems productive and seems to have some grasp of DM and contributes changes to the server, I question her level of competency being enough to justify giving her control over other other aspects of developer duties, such as reviewing people's PRs. I certainly don't think she needs to be barred from contributing, since our system of community review does a good job of determining problem with code. However, I feel like some of her ideas and reviews suffer from a kind of half-baked feel, as if she did not fully take the time to consider how appropriate they are, or whether they offer any actual solution (in the case of reviews and change requests). Sometimes, they simply stop working on a PR instead of correcting problems people point out with it, or make suggestions that are not helpful or relevant, Their PRs and reviews in general sort of leave me with an unpleasant taste in my mouth, as if they are barely above the bar for competency. These are all traits I would consider acceptable from a regular contributor, but I feel like we should be holding our actual dev team members to a higher standard. I recently withdrew my own dev application when someone pointed out to me that I need to take some time to learn more before I apply. I feel like perhaps Drago would also benefit greatly from taking some time to learn more about working with DM and our community, then reapplying later. Evidence/logs/etc: I can look up the PRs if you need them, but some things that come to mind immediately: -The garlic bread PR they made that had garlic bread hurt vampires (just garlic bread itself, not garlic the fruit), which they abandoned after I suggested they move the 'hurts vampires' bit up to the actual garlic -The PR they made that turned gumball machines into a monster when they get emagged, which was then abandoned when people said she should do something more logical like make it shoot gumballs or coins. -Their recent review on my mob designation PR where they suggested I use an adjective file without actually reading the contents of it to find out it was inappropriate for use on animal mobs. -Their unsolicited attempt to remove all ballistic weapons from security -Their PR that 'nerfs' fuel tank explosions in contrast to the general mood and double dismissals of the related suggestion -Re-opening the departmental security PR again very shortly after it was closed by LordFowl as it left a bad taste in the community's mouth. Additional remarks: I miss Lohikar being a dev

I will admit that part of this stuff is on me. I largely did not communicate with the security team because my quarrel was specifically with the HoS, not with their team. Most of our altercations were done in person, not over radio, and if they were over radio, it was on the command channel. I was under the impression that the security team was siding with him largely from my experience of the warden almost crushing me when he slammed the brig blast doors down on the HoS's orders to bar me from entering communal to talk to the prisoner. In my mind at the time, there was no point in addressing what I believed to be a hostile security clique. I'm not saying that was the right way to handle it, but people don't always think rationally when they are angry, and I can get really steamed. I should also point out by the time I suspended Bear's HoS, I had lost all patience with the round in general. I had repeatedly given him directives as captain, which he had fragrantly disregarded, ignoring all reasons I gave him for them, in literal violation of the chain of command and captain authority CCIA regulations. He refused to even show up for his demotion until I ahelped someone to send a fax legitimizing my orders. I had zero care to give for the injured people, I admit it. I arrived on the scene of the injuries on my way towards storming over to his office with fax on hand, and had very little context for the situation of the injured people. I mostly just saw the object of my ire standing in the hallway and addressed him on the spot with somewhat of tunnel vision. Once he told me he was trying to save people's lives, I stepped down and stopped bothering him while he did that, aware that my current state of temper could offer very little in the way of empathy roleplay. I did not block the hallway, no one tried to get past me. If they had, I would have moved. For about the billionth time this thread: This situation escalated the way it did because Bear deliberately ignored the chain of command and allowed himself the privilege to openly ignore my orders despite the captain having authority over him. He did not follow proper procedure for dealing with captains, and as a result, I got more and more frustrated with him, and he found more and more excuses to treat me like a hostile entity, telling his security team I was violating regulations and to impede me. If he had just buggered off when I told him to shut up and go away in the first place, all that would have happened was I would have talked to Adrian for a bit and the round would have moved on. Instead, Bear jumped the gun and acted like he had pre-approval to ignore the captain's orders in expectation of a fax that never came authorizing it. This could have been settled in an IR instead of a prolonged pissing contest that resulted in everyone in security being confused and me all but blowing my top because Bear didn't follow IC rules that he damn well should know about, being a CCIA.

People keep saying that there was no bomb threat, but the HoS clearly told me, in person, that I needed to clear out due to a bomb threat. This will show up in the logs, and affected my behavior thereafter in the round. I'm not sure if he was lying to me or later dismissed the bomb threat without informing me, but everyone is acting like I'm a maniac who made stuff up. This is not the case. I also was very transparent about my intent to move them from the brig. I did not feel the need to further elaborate it in security radio, because no less than two people witnessed me attempting to move him, both the HoS and the Warden. It was not 'wordless removal'. The whole situation was roleplayed out between me and the prisoner in plain sight of the only two people who had relevant need to know what I was doing. Additionally, whether my intervention was 'wanted or needed' does not make my presence and actions invalid. The captain does not need the security team's permission to speak to prisoners. To be perfectly honest, even if I had heard you say the bomb threat wasn't real, the security team has no authority to bar the captain from the brig for 'doing non-illegal stuff they don't like' or overturn their wish to safely transport a prisoner to their office to talk. It does not violate any regulation, nor endanger the captain in any way that isn't metagame assumption they will break out of cuffs with their traitor gear. This was purely a case of security territorialism gone rampantly bad.

Thank you for your time. As a much calmer summary now that the original frustration of that round has cooled, this is my take on my side of the issue. My attempt to speak to the prisoner on HuT was due to several aspects. First, I as a late joiner I wished to participate somewhat in the round's antags, and after some talk with the security department after arriving, I determined a way to do it was to approach someone being HuT with a sense of skepticism for objectiveness of our tajaran HoS, decision to charge him with attempted murder (specism is not barred by loyalty implants or roles, last I checked). When I attempted to speak with the prisoner alone, however, the HoS seemed determined to intervene and block me from interacting with the prisoner with any sort of privacy. I told him several times to leave, somewhat rudely after he became pushy. What followed was one of the most obnoxious pissing contests I have ever had the misfortune of being involved it. Repeatedly I told the HoS to leave, expecting him to go back to doing his job instead of hovering over me and the prisoner, and every time he refused the orders, citing that I was not permitted to pardon the prisoner (which I told him every time I did not plan to do). It became so frustrating that I felt like perhaps the player was not listening to me when I spoke to them, or perhaps was trying to play their character as deeply suspicious of this captain for some unfathomable reason. We both begin digging in our heels, with me just wanting him to obey the chain of command and stop harassing me and the prisoner, and (judging from this thread) he trying to make sure that I did not violate regulations and free a prisoner. It seems to me that the problem here is that Bear refused to extend any trust towards me as a whitelisted, loyalty implanted player that I would not violate regulations. They repeatedly balked me and refused to follow legitimate orders under the assumption that my orders were leading to illegal actions. At the end of the day, every one of their assertions of my illegal activities were based on speculation of my motives being malicious, and acting on upon that, as if I was an enemy. We have a very specific CCIA update that is supposed to prevent situations exactly like this. It states that captains orders are final, and they are supposed to be trusted to have the company's best interests in mind. Had I performed an illegal action and pardoned or freed the prisoner, then that should have been reported post-shift, not something he should have been actively defending against under the assumption I was lying to him. There is, in fact, no regulation against speaking to a prisoner, or relocating them elsewhere, especially during a dangerous situation like a bomb threat. Instead, Bear prevented me from engaging in roleplay with the prisoner in an extremely frustrating, proactively suspicious manner, violating the chain of command and seeking to undermine me constantly in the process. It was only after they did this repeatedly that I threatened them with suspension, and acted on that threat when they ignored me. I would also like to profess that some of their actions that round were in my opinion unaccountably petulant, such as -Telling me I have no right to tell him to shut up go away after becoming irritated with his behavior -Refusing to obey an order to report for demotion until I ahelped someone to respond to his fax that he has to obey captain's orders and literally shoved it in his face, something he should have already known -Retroactively justifying his behavior towards me by the inevitable breakout the prisoner made when left alone an unattended because I was not allowed to communicate with him or move him. -Passive aggressively offering to let me demote him after the transfer shuttle was already on the way and the process was now irrelevant, despite spending over ten minutes spurning my authority when the round was still running.

I remember in the (baystation?) maps of old the confessional was basically a meme zone for antags to hide in because it had no camera coverage and most people forgot it was there due to it never being used legitimately in any round, because the chaplain remains the fuck off and die alone role in almost every round unless they are a xeno character, who have much more fleshed out and concise religions instead of the unfocused melange that is 'human religions do whatever you want lololol scientology/pastafarianism time'. And they would not use a confessional. I'm not really super interested in re-introducing the concept of an isolated 1-tile room that people can hide in inside one of the least frequented areas of the station, catholic religious overtones aside.

I can agree with this (and the other game modes) on the caveat you don't actually delete any of the code for any of these round types, on the possibility that someone (like me) wishes to fix it later. And maybe allow it to be voted in, just out of secret. Some of us DO like malf, even as is. I hate extended but you sure as hell won't ever remove that from being voted in, so it's not really fair to take it away entirely just based on majority-based community badfeel.

Yeah, no. I don't care for this. Malf is one of my favorite game modes. And if you start removing game modes because you don't like them, that sets a precedent for removing others because they aren't liked. Shall we be removing cult and changeling next? Those two round types are so unpopular that it is actually almost impossible for them to start, because no one readies up for any of them anymore. Malfunction, though? We still play that. As the mantra goes: Fix, don't remove.

Don't try and pull this. Not only was the prisoner in question handcuffed during his 'escape', something you were fully aware of, because I watched you uncuff him once he was back in the brig, but both he and I indicated why he was being removed (re: the bomb threat that you informed me about and my wish to question, not pardon him). You continued to ignore both of these and supercede your authority. You were even there, by the logs you just linked, when I told him that he needed to leave the brig due to said bomb. There was no reason to think that I was trying to free him owing to the explanation from both of us what was happening, so you could not have charged me with 'aiding a prisoner in escaping HuT'. You are using this to retroactively justify your actions. No vote to relieve me was ever called. The other active head cited to you that you are required to follow the captain's directive. You also ignored THEM to sit stubbornly on your butt awaiting confirmation from command. And when you got it, all you did was complain that it didn't look like a real CCIA fax. You cannot refuse orders on the assumption that they will be overturned by later actions or events. You have to wait for these actions to occur before you can do so. In summary, you acted exactly like the a bad command staff member you seem to think I am being, who thinks you can do anything you want and that the ends justify the means. Sometimes, people just outrank you and you have to deal with it.

At the risk of belaboring this possibly soon to be binned thread, if you didn't think it was a rule violation, and your only motivation for this was OOCly thinking it was 'poor command play', then why did you violate the chain of command and refuse to follow orders? Even if I was a bad captain, you have zero authority to ignore my orders during a shift, which you did, repeatedly, and encouraged your team to do the same. That's pretty terrible command play, imo. You used OOC reasons to influence your behavior IC. You're the one who violated regulations, in attempting to punish me for not playing in a way you liked.

There is also an IR on this, so I'm not sure which if these are supposed focus on, but I'll respond here, too. I'll restate here what I did in the IR. The only action my captain was attempting to do was question a prisoner about an incident. At no point did I ever indicate I intended to pardon them, release them, or do any other action than ask them about the incident. I had reason to believe from the wild difference in severity between the charge (attempted murder) and the action (throwing a molotov cocktail, a relatively painful and destructive but not generally murderous object easily available to bartenders) was resulting in excessive charges due to the HoS feeling personally attacked due to being caught in the crossfire. His justification or the charge was the bartender he arrested saying 'he didn't want to take any chances' before throwing it, or something like that. There was a bunch of other stuff going on that was frankly not my business. I don't run security, he does. He should have been paying attention to that, not trying to block my questioning at every turn like a power insecure tyrant. I also wished, as a general principle, to give this person who was being HuT, something constructive to do with their time, like plead their case to the captain, instead of sitting alone in the brig for the rest of the round. Instead, what happened was Bear hovered over me constantly, apparently paranoid that I was somehow going to overturn the sentence despite being repeatedly told I would not pardon them. I also did not 'silently take the prisoner away'. In full view of the Warden, I informed the prisoner that due to there was a bomb threat and the constant interference of the HoS, I was going to escort him to my office to talk, but that he would have to be handcuffed due to the nature of his violent crime. The HoS returned midway through this and dragged the prisoner back to the cell, ignoring my warnings about the bomb threat that he himself alerted me to and insistence that the prisoner was not being pardoned. After all this, yes, I threatened him with suspension. He was absolutely demanding that he have full control to micromanage every aspect of the brig, endangering a prisoner in what to me seems to be a borderline ooc attempt to prevent them having any opportunity to have fun or further impact in the round. I even ahelped this to clarify, and was told that I can suspend people for refusing orders. Even if I had freed the prisoner illegally, that does not give him an excuse to refuse to comply with the captain. We have an actual IC rule in place that says captain's orders are absolute. You cannot overturn them on suspicion that they are illegitimate, you are supposed to report the conduct after, or you undermine the chain of command. You are a CCIA and should know this. I believe I was fully in my rights to act this way. I told him multiple times to stop hovering over me and trying to guard the prisoner from 'escape' via means of a loyalty implanted captain who had no intent to violate regulations. The captain is fully in rights to talk to a prisoner and then later report their results to central command, which is what I was attempting to do. It is clear that Bear suffers from issues with trying to control things too much, and is willing to ignore the chain of command if they feel their authority is being questioned by someone higher up. Or perhaps they simply are unable to trust other whitelisted players to behave themselves and thus felt obligated to stop me illegally freeing a prisoner. In a related matter, one of the security officers after the round (played by DanseMacabre) also said that they felt the HoS was micromanaging them too much and sucking some of the fun of playing their characters. Bear, you need to chill. That's the best I can say about this. Other people exist that want to have fun in ways you might not sanction. You can't direct the flow of the entire round all by yourself. You can't just cite suggestions on 'good captain behavior' as justification for breaking the chain of command. If you had let things progress instead of trying to micromanage it, I would have simply questioned them and put them back in a cell after. You are the one that caused this to escalate to suspension.

Reporting Personnel: Himari Kitaru Job Title of Reporting Personnel: Captain Game ID: b4l-aJ6F Personnel Involved: Rashaan Mi'khail (Head of Security) Secondary Witnesses: Entire security team. I didn't get their names, look up the shift roster that date. Time of Incident: Real Time: 12:10 pm CST Location of Incident: NSS Aurora Nature of Incident: [ ] - Workplace Hazard [ ] - Accident/Injury [ ] - Destruction of Property [X] - Neglect of Duty [ ] - Harassment [ ] - Assault [X] - Misconduct [ ] - Other _____ (Place an x in the box that applies. If other, replace line and specify.) Overview of the Incident: Original fax: As you can see from the original fax, the HoS repeatedly superseded the captain's authority, claiming I was performing regulation breaches for non-regulated orders such as 'go back to your office', 'I am questioning the prisoner, not pardoning them, go away', and 'the prisoner is in danger, you cannot leave them in here'. in addition to ignoring the safety of the prisoner to return them to the cell despite a bomb threat. It is clear he believes himself the ultimate authority on security matters to the point where he can, himself, violate the chain of command and prisoner safety to keep someone he has a conflict with locked in confinement indefinitely. Did you report it to a Head of Department or IAA? If so, who?: I was the highest authority on the station. People report to ME, not the other way. Actions taken: The Head of Security was threatened with suspension if they continued this behavior. He ignored this, and then ignored the summon to my office for suspension shortly after, claiming that I was violating regulations and he did not need to listen to me. As a result of this unnecessary authority pissing contest, no competent and unbiased HoS could be selected as an alternative, and prisoner was involved in a prison break that severely injured them, possibly due to panic at being confined in an area with a bomb in it and unable to get to safety. Additional Notes: The prisoner involved in this station was a traitor, but the only 'antagonistic' actions involved at the time were throwing a molotov cocktail, which is not, specifically, an antagonist only behavior.

New PR thread - https://github.com/Aurorastation/Aurora.3/pull/7680

I have literally never once heard of a person who drinks from the cap of a vacuum flask. I looked up what they are online, even to make sure I wasn't mistaken, and only a few models of the concept even HAVE a cap that can, hypothetically, be drunken out of. But they don't appear to be designed to do so. You would get whatever shit you drink all over the inside of cap, like some kind of barbarian. Cease this madness. Drink straight from the flask like god intended.

Praise be. If I have to hear one more memelord shitbird all caps shrieking gibberish over the common channel I'm going to kill somone