Player Complaint - Garnacus

[BurgerBB]

BYOND Key: BurgerBB
Game ID: Unknown, it would be nice if someone could find it.
Player Byond Key: Garnacus
Staff involved: None
Did you attempt to adminhelp the issue at the time? If so, what was the known action taken by administration/moderation? No, because it only became a problem on discord.
Approximate Date/Time: Unknown

 

While talking about how the standards on Aurora have dropped slightly because of the new players on Aurora, I offhand mentioned Garnacus' character, Gregory Buttersworth (name might not be accurate.)

Absolutely everyone and their dog knows that Garnacus is playing this character for fun and not for roleplay. The only reason why people know it's garn's character is because whenever people see him do something weird, and someone questions it, someone casually mentions in looc that it's garnacus' character and it should not be taken seriously. I mentioned this and Garnacus got offended. I legitimately couldn't tell if he was shitposting or not so I asked 5 times, and yes. He was being serious. During this encounter, he said some really fucking weird things and I just want to talk about his character first before I get to those things.

When the round loaded, gregory buttersworth immediately asked for blood bags. Security comms was like "Okay, that's weird." but we did nothing because it didn't warrant anything, most we did was "Hey uhhh... lets just be careful of this guy." and I'm 90% sure that his previous criminal records were brought up, but I'm not 100% sure. Later in the round, an officer reported seeing them creep around in maintenance; security dismissed this because janitors were probably repairing things. About 5 minutes later, an explosion occurred in maintenance. Gregory Butterfill was considered a suspect, but it wasn't enough evidence to really do anything. I believe over communications and in person, Gregory Butterfill was talking about a ritual they wanted to do over comms (I THINK) and in person. They were also bugging either a Head of Staff or the Captain for blood bags. I think we decided that enough was enough and take him in for questioning and search because of their suspicious conduct.

The justification for this warrant was the following:

- Asking for bloodbags despite not being qualified to use blood bags.

- Performing rituals despite not being a chaplain.

-They were last seen in maintenance when a bomb or something exploded in maintenance.

He was brought to security. We searched him, and found two syringes filled with blood. A janitor should not have these two items. By definition, they're considered contraband as per the wiki: https://wiki.aurorastation.org/index.php?title=Guide_to_Contraband

Gregory Butterworth proceeded to kick up a storm when the syringes were confiscated and tested. They did contain his blood, however we we uncomfortable with a very suspicious janitor having two syringes without the proper paperwork. We didn't really end up charging him for it, and let them off with a warning. I don't recall who the Captain was, but I would very much like them to comment if someone could find them. It was incredibly obvious that his character motives were formed from an OCCly perspective. He wanted people to think that the current round type was vampire or cult and then call people out for metagaming, which he ended up doing today when I brought up that incident.

I think that the entire situation was bait. I had a feeling before, which is why I didn't say anything earlier or ahelped it or anything, but now I can say with certainty that I genuinely believe that it was bait. I mean obviously at the time when they were doing all those things, almost everyone thought "Oh jeez this is a new player being vampire." and the security department did their god damn hardest not to think of it, which is why we didn't immediately detain him for questioning despite many occurances of suspicious behavior.

So upon using this example of "It's not against the rules to being annoying." Garnacus proceeded to say some really messed up things and was legitimately offended. I had to ask if he was sincere 5 times, given that he tends to joke around a lot and the things that he said. I was being pretty cocking in the conversation because I genuinely thought it was just bants, but as the conversation grew and grew it was just fucking awful.

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The conversation got clearly heated, but there are some things that I don't think can be taken back.

 

Edited March 20, 2019 by BurgerBB

[Garnascus]

15 minutes ago, BurgerBB said:

While talking about how the standards on Aurora have dropped slightly because of the new players on Aurora, I offhand mentioned Garnacus' character, Gregory Buttersworth (name might not be accurate.)

Absolutely everyone and their dog knows that Garnacus is playing this character for fun and not for roleplay. The only reason why people know it's garn's character is because whenever people see him do something weird, and someone questions it, someone casually mentions in looc that it's garnacus' character and it should not be taken seriously. I mentioned this and Garnacus got offended. I legitimately couldn't tell if he was shitposting or not so I asked 5 times, and yes. He was being serious. During this encounter, he said some really fucking weird things and I just want to talk about his character first before I get to those things.

When the round loaded, gregory buttersworth immediately asked for blood bags. Security comms was like "Okay, that's weird." but we did nothing because it didn't warrant anything, most we did was "Hey uhhh... lets just be careful of this guy." and I'm 90% sure that his previous criminal records were brought up, but I'm not 100% sure. Later in the round, an officer reported seeing them creep around in maintenance; security dismissed this because janitors were probably repairing things. About 5 minutes later, an explosion occurred in maintenance. Gregory Butterfill was considered a suspect, but it wasn't enough evidence to really do anything. I believe over communications and in person, Gregory Butterfill was talking about a ritual they wanted to do over comms (I THINK) and in person. They were also bugging either a Head of Staff or the Captain for blood bags. I think we decided that enough was enough and take him in for questioning and search because of their suspicious conduct.

The justification for this warrant was the following:

- Asking for bloodbags despite not being qualified to use blood bags.

- Performing rituals despite not being a chaplain.

-They were last seen in maintenance when a bomb or something exploded in maintenance.

He was brought to security. We searched him, and found two syringes filled with blood. A janitor should not have these two items. By definition, they're considered contraband as per the wiki: https://wiki.aurorastation.org/index.php?title=Guide_to_Contraband

Gregory Butterworth proceeded to kick up a storm when the syringes were confiscated and tested. They did contain his blood, however we we uncomfortable with a very suspicious janitor having two syringes without the proper paperwork. We didn't really end up charging him for it, and let them off with a warning. I don't recall who the Captain was, but I would very much like them to comment if someone could find them. It was incredibly obvious that his character motives were formed from an OCCly perspective. He wanted people to think that the current round type was vampire or cult and then call people out for metagaming, which he ended up doing today when I brought up that incident.

I think that the entire situation was bait. I had a feeling before, which is why I didn't say anything earlier or ahelped it or anything, but now I can say with certainty that I genuinely believe that it was bait. I mean obviously at the time when they were doing all those things, almost everyone thought "Oh jeez this is a new player being vampire." and the security department did their god damn hardest not to think of it, which is why we didn't immediately detain him for questioning despite many occurances of suspicious behavior.

So upon using this example of "It's not against the rules to being annoying." Garnacus proceeded to say some really messed up things and was legitimately offended. I had to ask if he was sincere 5 times, given that he tends to joke around a lot and the things that he said. I was being pretty cocking in the conversation because I genuinely thought it was just bants, but as the conversation grew and grew it was just fucking awful.

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The conversation got clearly heated, but there are some things that I don't think can be taken back.

 

Its really annoying when someone just sits there and makes up lies and assumptions about a character you where actually invested in for once. Its equally annoying when someone pokes the bear relentlessly and then plays the victim when they finally lash out. I could walk you through my motivations for doing what i did. I could walk you through my excitement at being happy to play for once. I could walk you through how much i hate being recognized in LOOC. I could walk you through how often i have expressed the issue i have playing with fellow staff and players. I could walk you through all of that and then spend 30 minutes going down the checklist of easy solutions you and everyone else has thought of. 

I am not going to do any of those burger. I have made my feelings about you quite clear. 

[BurgerBB]

38 minutes ago, Garnascus said:

Its really annoying when someone just sits there and makes up lies and assumptions about a character you where actually invested in for once. Its equally annoying when someone pokes the bear relentlessly and then plays the victim when they finally lash out. I could walk you through my motivations for doing what i did. I could walk you through my excitement at being happy to play for once. I could walk you through how much i hate being recognized in LOOC. I could walk you through how often i have expressed the issue i have playing with fellow staff and players. I could walk you through all of that and then spend 30 minutes going down the checklist of easy solutions you and everyone else has thought of. 

I am not going to do any of those burger. I have made my feelings about you quite clear. 

I stated the perception of what your character is. This is how I perceive your character and how people perceive your character. In normal circumstances, whether or not this was your intention is irrelevant because this is how the character is perceived and that's what really matters. In this circumstance, your intentions matter and I'm questioning them right now considering all the interactions I've been in and witnessed with your character could be reasonably concluded with "Yeah this guy is trying to start shit.". I recall that you also play a medical doctor, and you play them quite normally so it's not like you're bad at roleplay or anything.

And no, I am not poking the bear. Given how you post on discord, I genuinely thought you were shitposting or at most, laying down some bantz, which is the reason why I asked 5 times for confirmation and the reason why some spectators were like "Wait is he joking or not.". I wasn't trying to provoke you by saying "are you serious" like "are you stupid for believing this" but more like "okay are you legitimately upset for me saying these things."

And I also wasn't playing the victim either. I was pointing out about how weird it was that you were accusing me of malice when I wasn't the one who was calling the other person retarded and such. I mean I fucked up by misinterpreting your current attitude and I think you fucked up by saying all the things you said. No one is in the right here, but the reason why I'm even making a fuss about this is that the difference is that I'm just a user, you're one of the head administrators.

 

 

[Scheveningen]

Gonna put it out there that I was the HOS that round and it was pretty obvious that Garn was antag-baiting. Antag-baiting is when you deliberately attempt to get attention as if you were a specific antag type by deliberately pushing the limits of what you're allowed to do.

Other servers have varying interpretations on how to deal with this, such as outright banning people who exhibit antag behavior as non-antag (and thus banning them for self-antagging), or they permit others to deal with them as if they were an antagonist (allowing anyone to be able to punish the individual only ICly for baiting as non-antag, as if they were committing antagonist acts).

Given the fact Garn's position as a head administrator and his very inconsistent laissez faire attitude, it wasn't worth the trouble of doing anything more to his character. It's not worth a whitelist strip or worse because of the literal head admin's interpretation of the rules and what constitutes as acceptable, serious roleplay majorly differs from the actual playerbase.

Also, wow, nice meltdown, Garn. You surely have your head screwed on tight.

 

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Gregory Butterworth proceeded to kick up a storm when the syringes were confiscated and tested. They did contain his blood, however we we uncomfortable with a very suspicious janitor having two syringes without the proper paperwork. We didn't really end up charging him for it, and let them off with a warning. I don't recall who the Captain was, but I would very much like them to comment if someone could find them. It was incredibly obvious that his character motives were formed from an OCCly perspective. He wanted people to think that the current round type was vampire or cult and then call people out for metagaming, which he ended up doing today when I brought up that incident.

If Garn really did blow up after this, he's legitimately shitty for doing that. I don't understand how you can roleplay a low-importance, low-effort character yet get so angry at criticism about your low-effort roleplay as if you actually care.

Please also stop using analogies like "poking at the bear" just because you're the head admin. Everyone already knows you're the head admin. You don't need to remind everyone what you're capable of.

Edited March 20, 2019 by Scheveningen

[Garnascus]

"its just criticism"

I do not think you understand how to give criticism. Burger certainly doesnt. i think he actually thinks he is the victim here. I think you actually believe i was doing "antag baiting" or whatever that means. I would love to go point by point and explain to you why i think you're wrong but i just do not care what you personally think about me. its incredibly frustrating to try something cool and have the usual suspects decry it. 

[Scheveningen]

I don't think it was 'just criticism,' do not get me wrong. I'm not completely ignorant that Burger is very capable of blowing things out of proportion, no doubt he's certainly done so here. But even a broken clock can be right at least twice a day. However, don't take too much away from that statement, because it is not so easily qualified in every situation.

1. At the start of this round, your character asked medical for blood bags. This request was odd, and the CMO even asked my character to keep an eye on yours, because it was a really odd request for an assistant to just immediately pipe up asking with. The captain also advised to keep an eye on Butterfill to top it off. We had at least reasonable cause to arrest for suspicious conduct, because that regulation is quite flexible in cases of requesting items that are normally crucial to the medical department in the event someone gets hurt. If a certain blood type is missing when it is needed, it could mean life or death for someone with IB. I insisted we wait and see.
2. Your character then, whether jokingly or not, used the common frequency to declare you were a vampire. I did not take it seriously, personally, but it was a huge pain to hold back the collars of the security personnel answering to my HOS. My character insisted that we wait, again.
3. Your character was spotted later entering the maintenance area near command with a blue toolbox, gas mask and insulated gloves (probable cause for suspicion, again). An officer was dispatched to check up there and see what was going on. Butterfill turned up on the opposite side of the station near engineering, still wearing the aforementioned items. My character insists the appearance was not enough and to wait for something absolutely damning.
4. Butterfill continues to utilize comms to make jokes about them being a vampire. They later enter the brig when my character finally decides we can at least handle the issue as comms abuse + suspicious conduct.
5. Warden finds syringes filled with blood in Butterfill's bag. My HOS tells them to get it forensically analyzed. We find out it's Butterfill's blood and we finally realize all that monitoring was a waste of time. A malf finally shows their hand because the player behind them was new, and tries to do mildly antaggy stuff. The round ends relatively without incident.

I do not absolve Burger for being a dick. I have no intention of defending him in the case regarding his tone and I do not support his way of addressing issues, but it doesn't change your character behaved in an extremely weird, antagonistic behavior acting in ways that would obviously get security's attention as an antagonist action. And that is the issue that should be addressed, ultimately. I suggest getting other mods/admins to handle Burger regarding the behavior side of it if you feel so strongly about how he brings up issues to you, because it's definitely actionable in my opinion.

Likewise, is it worth it to meltdown back at Burger when he does it to you? You're not better than him for doing that. If you didn't snark back at him, Burger would be the only person to blame here.

Edited March 20, 2019 by Scheveningen

[Arrow768]

I split that up into a separate player complaint, because this is how they play a certain character and now how they carry out their duties as a staff member.

If you could add the player complaint header @BurgerBB

[BurgerBB]

4 hours ago, Garnascus said:

"its just criticism"

I do not think you understand how to give criticism. Burger certainly doesnt. i think he actually thinks he is the victim here. I think you actually believe i was doing "antag baiting" or whatever that means. I would love to go point by point and explain to you why i think you're wrong but i just do not care what you personally think about me. its incredibly frustrating to try something cool and have the usual suspects decry it. 

This isn't the first time someone has used "You think you're the victim" excuse to invalidate anything I have to say and it certainly won't be the last, so let me just address this before it continues to derail the thread.

I fucked up. I misread the situation. I didn't think, at the time, my criticism was that harmful, and for that, I apologize. If you or someone else thinks administrative action should be applied, this should either be debated on your circle or in another thread. However that apology comes with a huge asterisk because I genuinely think that given your position, the things you said, and the fact that you're ignoring the fact that you seriously SERIOUSLY fucked up is something to be very concerned about.

You did the following

- Straight up called me a retard and an annoying shitwad on discord.

- Unironically lament that I'm not banned yet.

- Said and I quote "I legitimately hate you and wish you'd stop playing here."

 

I did the following

- Say your character was a meme and a joke character and gave evidence to prove it.

 

I would completely absolutely understand if I like made a really offensive joke, insulted your mom, or something worth getting legitimately upset about, but I talked shit about your character. Everyone's had their character criticized before, including several of mine, and they don't give a fuck. This is not the case.

 

 

Edited March 20, 2019 by BurgerBB

[Garnascus]

it was the straw that broke the camels back. I do not like you or players like you. let me explain to you why. 

1. you shitpost over and over about how i "dont care" and "nothing will be done"

2. you bring up problem after problem and always with the added bite "i doubt anything will happen"

Its like you simultaneously shit on me all you want and then act all offended when i do the same back. I cannot stand you. You have no fucking idea the effort and work i put into this server and neither does @Scheveningen to same some bullshit like that. You have seriously lost your god damned mind to take the attitude you have. 

Let me explain to you some facts here. You can choose to believe them or not. I meant it when i said i do not care what either of you think about my characters. I used to fucking love playing this game. Can you believe that? Its actually true. I came here originally from hypatia. I chose to become staff because i legitimately find it fun. Now when i do try to play i have consistent issues that i have lamented about PLENTY of times to my close friends and anybody who will listen to me bitch and moan in OOC. 

1. I get recognized all the time in LOOC. 

I HATE it. I have literally cryoed over this bullshit before. You can ask anybody who knows we well i consistently bring this up as an issue of why i do not play. The reason is actually exactly as you stated. If people know its me they will treat me differently. They will let me get away with basically whatever the fuck i want and every single interaction will be gilded with "well its garn's character".

2. I am attached to gregor BUTTERFILL

Say whatever you want about me but i hope that i do not need to explain to anybody who plays on a HRP server why "just play a different character" is not that simple. This is literally my second oldest character. I have had a lot of really good times on him. I have met a lot of really cool people from him. I cannot just delete or change his name or change to a new character. So it becomes a constant battle of "maybe this cool new character concept will let me finally have fun with a character i enjoy"

Its so bad i have even tried purchasing a VPN and trying to scramble my CID so that i can play here without even staff knowing its me. 

3. What i did in round was actually a really cool character concept i wanted to try. 

I didnt even think anyone did anything wrong. I thought it was fine of you arrest me although that is certainly not what i intended to happen. My character has always been catholic ever since snake first came here and got me interested in it so i kinda used gregor to project my interest in the subject. I thought it would be interesting to try a non-denomination christian that observed a certain ritual every month. I take a few syringes of my blood and light them on fire. Thats it. It was just supposed to be a cool concept to work with and see where it goes. I wasnt trying to attract attention but "garns a meme we all know how he fucks around" i guess is pinned on me? Do you have any fucking idea how insulting that is when for once i actually just wanted to play the god damn game?

i could go on and on. I dont give a fuck that the last round was vampire. I was only there at the tail end of the previous round. The only reason "vampire" got brought up over the common radio was because someone cracked a joke "oh so you're a vampire" and i just rolled with it and went "yep totally a vampire dude". 

Shit like this happens all the time when i try to play here. Someone will recognize me and say it in LOOC. Delta admits he didnt want to ahelp me because.... i guess i would use the rules against him? "its not worth ahelping a headmins character". holy fuck i have never been more angry in my entire life. Now that i think about the captain played by @ReadThisNamePlzprobably only helped me out because they knew it was me. 

I am just not gonna do this anymore. I will go to bay or maybe cassie's world server if i get a fix for some heavy RP. This is not worth it. 

 

[Scheveningen]

3 minutes ago, Garnascus said:

I didnt even think anyone did anything wrong. I thought it was fine of you arrest me although that is certainly not what i intended to happen. My character has always been catholic ever since snake first came here and got me interested in it so i kinda used gregor to project my interest in the subject. I thought it would be interesting to try a non-denomination christian that observed a certain ritual every month. I take a few syringes of my blood and light them on fire. Thats it. It was just supposed to be a cool concept to work with and see where it goes. I wasnt trying to attract attention but "garns a meme we all know how he fucks around" i guess is pinned on me? Do you have any fucking idea how insulting that is when for once i actually just wanted to play the god damn game?

I really wish I knew this. Sorry man, I fucked up here.

[BurgerBB]

6 hours ago, Garnascus said:

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1. you shitpost over and over about how i "dont care" and "nothing will be done"

2. you bring up problem after problem and always with the added bite "i doubt anything will happen"

False. I believe the only time I've said anything similar to this is a joke about the futility of expecting more than policy changes when making two staff complaints against headdevs.

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Its like you simultaneously shit on me all you want and then act all offended when i do the same back. I cannot stand you. You have no fucking idea the effort and work i put into this server and neither does @Scheveningen to same some bullshit like that. You have seriously lost your god damned mind to take the attitude you have. 

So have I. I believe I put in considerable work into the server in terms of PRs. I think at some points I would spend 4 hours a day making PRs that would go to the server, only to really get insults and other bullshit thrown my way.

I believe I attempted to discuss this with you and your responses have mostly been:

"okay"

"not my problem"

"whatever"

I admit you've probably put in more work than me in total but honestly I have absolutely minimal sympathy for you regarding this. I do not shit on you AT ALL and I believe that this is probably the only instance where I ever "shat" on you, and that's me saying "Your character is meme and here is a valid explanation why." which is absolutely nothing compared to what other users say about other people's characters. I do not endorse what Sheveningen says and honestly I'm a little annoyed that you're grouping me with him again despite our response to this situation being VERY different.

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Let me explain to you some facts here. You can choose to believe them or not. I meant it when i said i do not care what either of you think about my characters. I used to fucking love playing this game. Can you believe that? Its actually true. I came here originally from hypatia. I chose to become staff because i legitimately find it fun. Now when i do try to play i have consistent issues that i have lamented about PLENTY of times to my close friends and anybody who will listen to me bitch and moan in OOC. 

1. I get recognized all the time in LOOC. 

I HATE it. I have literally cryoed over this bullshit before. You can ask anybody who knows we well i consistently bring this up as an issue of why i do not play. The reason is actually exactly as you stated. If people know its me they will treat me differently. They will let me get away with basically whatever the fuck i want and every single interaction will be gilded with "well its garn's character".

Because at least with Butterfill, you play an odd character that can easily be mistaken as a greytide or a new player.

Like I honestly don't know how you cannot understand that a janitor who is bald, types in lowercase, says some really fucking weird shit over comms, and does some really weird shit ICly isn't going to get a few weird looks. Hell, the only reason why I know your character is because I recall that you were doing some weird things and I managed to, without any external help or assistance, determine that it was a regular playing Butterfill. After some critical thinking I realised that you were the own who plays Butterfill since he only appears when you talk in OOC and it seems like something you would do.

Also welcome to the club. I get recognized all the time and people have treated me differently because of it. Before I was developer, absolutely everyone and their dog would roleplay with my characters and enjoy it. Now? Absolutely no one. Menown I think is the only one who actually initiates anything anymore with my characters. I have walked passed characters that I've had tons of friendly interactions with in the past, and they don't even say hi anymore. This is something I can't reasonably control anymore so it's not worth complaining about. Character recognition happens to everyone and people metagrudge for it. I also had to retire a character (Ilaeza Marwani) because I was unironically kicked out of the lizard clique as not a single unathi player, except for loredevs and other staff, would interact with me. At this point I just embrace it in an attempt to prove people wrong about their misconceptions. I'm not saying I'm the victim here, I'm just saying that this is a common problem and not exclusive to anymore.

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2. I am attached to gregor BUTTERFILL

Say whatever you want about me but i hope that i do not need to explain to anybody who plays on a HRP server why "just play a different character" is not that simple. This is literally my second oldest character. I have had a lot of really good times on him. I have met a lot of really cool people from him. I cannot just delete or change his name or change to a new character. So it becomes a constant battle of "maybe this cool new character concept will let me finally have fun with a character i enjoy"

Its so bad i have even tried purchasing a VPN and trying to scramble my CID so that i can play here without even staff knowing its me. 

Honestly, at this point, make a new character. I know it's not that simple but it you're being genuine in saying that you're not playing him as a meme, then you're going to have to make a new character. It doesn't matter whether or not you're wrong or right, they are perceived as a greytide played by Garnacus..

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3. What i did in round was actually a really cool character concept i wanted to try. 

I didnt even think anyone did anything wrong. I thought it was fine of you arrest me although that is certainly not what i intended to happen. My character has always been catholic ever since snake first came here and got me interested in it so i kinda used gregor to project my interest in the subject. I thought it would be interesting to try a non-denomination christian that observed a certain ritual every month. I take a few syringes of my blood and light them on fire. Thats it. It was just supposed to be a cool concept to work with and see where it goes. I wasnt trying to attract attention but "garns a meme we all know how he fucks around" i guess is pinned on me? Do you have any fucking idea how insulting that is when for once i actually just wanted to play the god damn game?

i could go on and on. I dont give a fuck that the last round was vampire. I was only there at the tail end of the previous round. The only reason "vampire" got brought up over the common radio was because someone cracked a joke "oh so you're a vampire" and i just rolled with it and went "yep totally a vampire dude". 

Shit like this happens all the time when i try to play here. Someone will recognize me and say it in LOOC. Delta admits he didnt want to ahelp me because.... i guess i would use the rules against him? "its not worth ahelping a headmins character". holy fuck i have never been more angry in my entire life. Now that i think about the captain played by @ReadThisNamePlzprobably only helped me out because they knew it was me. 

I am just not gonna do this anymore. I will go to bay or maybe cassie's world server if i get a fix for some heavy RP. This is not worth it. 

Ok so here is a perspective I want you to consider.

• You shitpost a lot in OOC and on Discord. You're a goofy guy sometimes.
• As I mentioned earlier, your character looks, talks, and sometimes acts like a greytide.
• You mentioned immediately on round start that you wanted blood bags... over common channel... with vampire being the previous round.
• You would casually mentioned that you wanted to perform a ritual involving blood to security. ICly that's something odd. OOCly that's something odd.

It is more than reasonable to assume that you're playing Butterfill as a joke with all things considered. You don't have to delete your character to fix this, you just have to fix how you play them.

 

[ReadThisNamePlz]

I did not only help you because I knew it was you. I would've done the same for anyone. 

As should any Captain.

[Garnascus]

Burger i think i hate absolutely everything you just posted. I could go point by point here and keep this pissing contest up for another page or two but i am not gonna do that. It is not worth it even if i win. I have communicated my perspective. That is all i am interested in doing. I am not interested in reconciling with you. I am not interested in us apologizing to one another. I do not like you. Its that simple. 

 

also on a side note can we talk about this whole "typing in lowercases"? I see people say this every now and then. You guys actually care about that? 

[BurgerBB]

14 hours ago, Garnascus said:

Burger i think i hate absolutely everything you just posted. I could go point by point here and keep this pissing contest up for another page or two but i am not gonna do that. It is not worth it even if i win. I have communicated my perspective. That is all i am interested in doing. I am not interested in reconciling with you. I am not interested in us apologizing to one another. I do not like you. Its that simple. 

 

also on a side note can we talk about this whole "typing in lowercases"? I see people say this every now and then. You guys actually care about that? 

Then it seems like this player complaint will never be resolved if you don't take responsibility for your behavior. I absolutely guarantee you that if you were a player without any staff position you would've been gone.

You unironically called me retarded. You've unironically repeated multiple times that you hate me and wished me gone in ways that did not warrant the response. You've unironically lamented that I'm not banned yet multiple times. You have a tendency to group anyone you don't like into one category and apply the same bans for them. You had a breakdown over me saying that I thought your character was a joke character. You've stated that I'm a constant complainer and use this VERY FREQUENTLY to dismiss any issues I bring up.

So let me repeat this.

I stated that your character wasn't a very good character, and very calmly without using any personal attacks or other garbage, stated several very valid reasons why.

You, in response, decided that it would be a good idea to immediately throw personal attacks, call me retarded, an annoying shitwad, and other garbage such as lamenting that I'm not banned yet.

When I properly made a complaint about this, you justified this by saying you get mad when everyone else points out you play a character and that you really like your character.

You are a head administrator. I've seen people get permabanned for less on the server. I, myself, have received warnings in game for being rude. I have received a forum warning for being too aggressive sometimes, but not insulting people.

 

This should honestly be a staff complaint, but it was moved into a player complaint. I have very little issue with how you play Butterfill compared to the issue of how you behave yourself.

[Evandorf]

@Juani2400 and I will be handling this one. Give us some time to look over all the information.

[BurgerBB]

Right. Another issue.

I pinged Garnacus on discord. I asked him not to do highlander because it was a 40/30 vote, yes no. He told me to shut the fuck up. Yeah sure whatever, I'll move on with my life.

The someone on discord was being an ass and accusing me of being a salty metagamer for making a Durand with four passenger seats and naming it "Black Taxi". I talked to alb over discord because they were being incredibly rude. Albert said they'll watch the conversation.

Garnacus then entered the conversation and proceeded to shitpost, not making it any better.

https://imgur.com/a/cA8zXsC

I don't see how this is contributing productively.

[Garnascus]

 

Bruh you literally came in swinging. How does your mind work burger? What goes on in your head to think it was you who was aggressed on first here? Do you just not understand how exhausting and toxic it is for EVERY ROUND to into discord and be like "ANTAGS SHIT CHAIR RP SHIT I DID NOT HAVE FUN". WHY ARE YOU LIKE THIS!?! WHY ARE YOU THE WAY YOU ARE?!

 

[BurgerBB]

I would agree with you except other people commented on the round and have commented on the round. Other people have said worse things about the round. Other people have resulted to actual insults and ad hominem about the round. I said the antags were garbage and I gave valid reasons. They attempted to blame the fault of the round on me for making a Durand with 4 passenger compartments. This is what started the entire argument.

Also I don't do that every round. People think I do it every round because someone started a stupid fucking meme about it. It's the same reason why earlier today Kaedwulf said that I want everything removed recently when the reality is that I only made 2 threads this month. People like to make up the frequency of when shit happens so when it occurs, they can clutch their pearls and have an excuse to dismiss everything I say.

Also I think you're being malicious right now. You missed a very key quote that you cropped out to make it look like that I started the conversation.

 

But I think we're going off topic. Lets say for the sake of argument that I started it. How was what you said and done in any way shape or forum acceptable?

[Garnascus]

Is that what we are going to do? The old "other people where doing it" defence? Bold strategy burger. Bold strategy indeed. You found out my master plan. Nifty's ANtaGs BAd comment clearly shows that it wasnt you who started it! clearly no blame can be cast on you! You are right my behavior was totally and completely unacceptable. I should have just banned you. 

[Evandorf]

Alright, this back and forth is not providing anything new to the discussion.

Please refrain from posting further unless it's to give new information. 

I've read through the thread and will be speaking with @Juani2400 soon. 

[Evandorf]

Sorry about the delay on this. I had a small medical/health issue that’s been cleared up. I will be getting with Juani soon on a final decision. 

[Garnascus]

I do regret blowing up at Burger. Someone in my position should not be saying such things.

[Evandorf]

Apologies again for the delays but I've spoken with @Juani2400 on this and we both agree that some things Garn said were over the line and inappropriate. I've spoken with other Headmins regarding appropriate repercussions and so long as Garn acknowledges the misconduct and makes a good faith effort to curb the behavior going forward we will be logging the issue for future reference. It will be taken into consideration for any further incidents.

After speaking with Garn on Discord and seeing his subsequent comment we'll move forward with this action plan. We'll leave this thread open for another 48 hours to allow for any further questions or concerns.

[Evandorf]

Locking and Archiving.