Regarding Bluesec (Feedback/Opinions)

[Nanako]

The blue security sprites are effectively superior, but it is not due to coloration.

http://prntscr.com/c69fy4

http://prntscr.com/c69k7a

Comparing the two, the latter makes officers look horridly fat. Not to mention that there's so much black,

 

You're comparing apples with oranges, that's not fair or meaningful.

We already have the one you linked there

This is my usual red security uniform

 

Also black is neither here nor there, this is blue vs red. And did you see how much black was in those voidsuits?

 

 

If large amounts of black bother you, i don't see why you'd support this change

[Zundy]

Das it mang, blue sec 4 lyfe.

[Guest]

You're comparing apples with oranges, that's not fair or meaningful.

We already have the one you linked there

 

We're discussing uniforms, not familial ancestry issues of fruits.

I also fail to see how your voidsuit comparison holds any bearing, given that they actually blend with the rest of the station objects instead of having horrifically painted gradients like the current Baystation redsec suffers from.

[SierraKomodo]

The blue security sprites are effectively superior, but it is not due to coloration.

http://prntscr.com/c69fy4

http://prntscr.com/c69k7a

Comparing the two, the latter makes officers look horridly fat. Not to mention that there's so much black,

 

You're comparing apples with oranges, that's not fair or meaningful.

We already have the one you linked there

This is my usual red security uniform

 

Also black is neither here nor there, this is blue vs red. And did you see how much black was in those voidsuits?

 

 

If large amounts of black bother you, i don't see why you'd support this change

 

I think the point he was trying to make was the lack of detail in the black uniform - Specifically that the sprite is a mass of the same RGB code, whereas those void suit sprites have detail in the way of shading and such, without being a mass of a single RGB code.

[Guest]

That's about right. In terms of design, they're not that good. Massing one color makes for a very ugly sprite.

As opposed to the voidsuits, which have very good detailing.

[Depandio]

I'm at an impasse, here. I really like the blue uniforms, but I love the look of the red security wing. Maybe we could go Bluespec for everything but the Armory/Brig? Or have the Warden/Detective uniforms and areas be red to further indicate that they aren't Security Officers.

[Fire and Glory]

..Or have the Warden/Detective uniforms and areas be red to further indicate that they aren't Security Officers.

Detective uniforms aren't even red right now, I don't think they were blue back in the day either.

I don't think they really qualify in the end as uniforms, either, since there are a decent few variants.

[Vanagandr]

I actually kind of like the sound of blue on a light coloured silver. NSS Aesthetics. That aside, that's only if we need to change command. People not being able to tell the difference between command and security was the, stupid, reason people used to try and stop bluesec, which never actually happened when we started using bluesex sprites.

Like this?

They'd probably need a different visor colour.

[Guest]

Command could be black and gold (this would require a fair bit of work for resprites and such) , or simply stay what it is. Security are, for the most part anyways as their title implies, 'Officers' . Heads of Staff are also 'Officers' . And I don't really see a need for distinction in colour between the two as the uniforms differ greatly, and you'll rarely find a Head of Staff that completely adheres to their locker uniforms.

[Jboy2000000]

I actually kind of like the sound of blue on a light coloured silver. NSS Aesthetics. That aside, that's only if we need to change command. People not being able to tell the difference between command and security was the, stupid, reason people used to try and stop bluesec, which never actually happened when we started using bluesex sprites.

Like this?

They'd probably need a different visor colour.

Well, that looks like a medical voidsuit, so it doesn't really apply to recolouring command.

However, the face mask reminds me of the guards from Half Life 2 than a doctor.

[Chaznoodles]

I'm more than happy to icon some 'decent' redsec uniforms seeing as they're just getting trashed here. The majority of the opinions are 'redsec looks terrible, bluesec looks better'. Why don't we see what the bluesec uniforms and hardsuits look like recoloured with the red scheme first?

[Conservatron]

sprite suggestion: black engineering with orange stripes.

Apollo had it back when Aurora split and its the only part of the server that I miss

[LordFowl]

I'm more than happy to icon some 'decent' redsec uniforms seeing as they're just getting trashed here. The majority of the opinions are 'redsec looks terrible, bluesec looks better'. Why don't we see what the bluesec uniforms and hardsuits look like recoloured with the red scheme first?

 

These are the exact same images presented in this thread, except recoloured to be red. No other alterations of sprite was made except a basic recolouring, although not every pixel is recoloured in the same way:

The sprite quality is certainly improved, and essentially reduces the debate into the terms of subjective preference rather than objective observation. A respriting of all the red uniforms to have a higher quality is certainly a viable effort if redsec remains implemented.

All that said, and understanding that the debate is essentially subjective at its core, I still subjectively prefer bluesec.

[incognitojesus]

I'm more than happy to icon some 'decent' redsec uniforms seeing as they're just getting trashed here. The majority of the opinions are 'redsec looks terrible, bluesec looks better'. Why don't we see what the bluesec uniforms and hardsuits look like recoloured with the red scheme first?

 

These are the exact same images presented in this thread, except recoloured to be red. No other alterations of sprite was made except a basic recolouring, although not every pixel is recoloured in the same way:

The sprite quality is certainly improved, and essentially reduces the debate into the terms of subjective preference rather than objective observation. A respriting of all the red uniforms to have a higher quality is certainly a viable effort if redsec remains implemented.

All that said, and understanding that the debate is essentially subjective at its core, I still subjectively prefer bluesec.

We also already have the sprites for bluesec already. And have for a long while.

[Vanagandr]

Well, that looks like a medical voidsuit, so it doesn't really apply to recolouring command.

Thought you were talking about the Security suits, nevermind.

[Zundy]

My preference is blue sec. Personally it reminds me of Half-life Blue Shift which is 10/10 and would also make our security more unique to this server. I appreciate that others may prefer red sec but meh.

[Guest]

The vote count's incredible. We never had so much desire for it back then when we were trialing it than we do now.

[Filthyfrankster]

We have redsec suits all ready to get put in the game from what I hear.

Why suddenly 180 fuck everything and go back to lame ass bluesec? We're going to waste spriters/iconers/coders time on having to edit everything to.. Some stupid blue.

[LordFowl]

Nothing is a "waste" of time when the community is in favour of a change 61-9. This whole game is technically a "waste" of time, but at least this developmental course has majority favour.

[Nikov]

Stick a fork in it, its done.

[Fox009]

I think redsec works good for other servers where security is more combat oriented and tyrannical whereas Aurora sticks to SoP more and has a lot more IIA oversight making security a bit more 'friendly' then else-ware. Should be a good fit I'd like to see.

[Bedshaped]

I voted red but I'm switching to blue now because, like someone said, it could be a cool way of distinguishing the server.

[Guest]

reality has a bluesec bias

[Loow]

Polls are usually not the place where people change their minds, and this vote has already happened once before. I doubt adding another comment will make much of a difference, but at least I can say I voiced my opinion.

I am in favor of Red Security.

-Red uniforms stand out more, making it easier to spot Sec.

-Red coloring is sufficiently different from the blues of command, medbay, the windows, oxygen containers, lockers, and other such general ambiance.

-Red security is something of a staple of Space Station 13, and I'm quite fond.

-Security HUD sunglasses and Security Comms were still red before. I don't see changing the color of Sec Comms to more closely resemble LOOC, Medical radio, and Command channel as a good thing. Otherwise, we'll always have red security communications to go with our blue security team.

The most popular counter arguments are "New Sprites are nice." and "Red is scary."

I'd love to see some care put into making newer, better red-sec sprites rather than a complete color shift to make another department not stand out. Even our BlueSec Sprites could be made into snappy new Red-Sec Sprites. This'd leave some room to play with secondary colors and other such things spriters and "pixel artists" would likely enjoy working on.

Red security does not have to be scary. If people feel the red sprites are too intimidating, new sprites could be made and shown to the public to gauge their emotional adversity to each new design.

I'd like to see us get new, snappy security uniform sprites rather than a complete departmental color shift.

Aurora's Security can be "New" and "Different" without making the sprites for the entire department look boringly similar to every other section of the station.

I don't think I'll be winning over 70+ people who have already made up their mind with this post, but I hope I at least made my case.

Red Security with better sprites would cut the negatives of Blue Sec and offer the chance to make new, engaging designs for the department.

Please don't make the server monochromatic.

Make Security neat again.

[Skull132]

/me looks at the vote count.

Welp. That's that, then. Also, regarding blue and blue (command and sec), we'll have a look at alternatives for command as well.