Roderick Grey - Terrible conduct as an IPC whitelisted player, unwanted/unwarranted discord DM harassment.

[Guest]

BYOND Key: OneOneThreeEight

Game ID: bqlBVf (thanks serveris)

Player Byond Key: Roderick Grey

Staff involved: Tainavaa, IncognitoJesus

Reason for complaint: Really awful conduct both on IC and OOC side, as an IPC whitelisted player.

During a specific antagonist round where he was not an antagonist, this starts with him feeling it appropriate to broadcast and spam in IC "WEE WOO MISUSE OF COMMS" close to seven times (denominating them with first count, second count, so on) before a moderator poked them to stop the spamming. I personally do not care whether this was resolved or not, this is a behavior pattern that should not occur in the first place. I will not contest the administrative decision regarding this, instead I would rather call into question of the roleplay integrity of the whitelisted player and whether they deserve to maintain possession of their IPC whitelist. This is merely point one here.

Anyway, they would later table a bartender and kick their head in for an unexplained and likely unprovoked reason. Given it's Helper who already has a reputation for being a greytiding shitbot, I wouldn't be shocked if there wasn't a good reason for doing that.

After being detained for that, Helper constantly attempted to unbuckle themselves from the chair in processing, as if the bot had any actual chance in escaping the clutches of security. They were unbuckled and moved to a cell for assault and their timer was almost set, until an officer uncuffed them, buckled them to the bed, and--

Helper would unbuckle immediately, run out of the cell and help intent past the officers, and attempting to open the brig foyer airlocks. He failed a fair bit.

I pull out my pistol in an attempt to pacify him with non-lethal electroshock beams, knowing that IPCs were supposed to be still susceptible to taser energy. I might've been mistaken due to the nature of "bug fixing", but... I shoot him three times, he doesn't slow down once. I then pull out my baton, realizing I wasted 3/5 shots of my pistol and switching to lethal at the moment wasn't a favorable proposition. I try and prod the IPC... No luck. Apparently Helper is entirely invincible to any manner of non-lethal detainment. They do not have eyes, so flashes would not work. Flashbangs are also ineffective as, again, IPCs don't have eyes, and that's the largest part of how you're stunned from a flashbang. So, again, ineffective.

To make a long story short in that affair, we did attempt in every method of non-lethal force to try and pacify Helper (including diplomacy, and in the records of Helper it even states it listens to command staff and security). I chose to crack out the ion rifle given the malfunctioning nature of the robot due to the aforementioned point, and that I seriously did not want to risk the entire security force composed of mostly organics to get out-robusted and hurt by an IPC spam-clicking on disarm intent to fetch themselves stun batons. I anticipated that the ion rifle would not immediately kill the IPC given my previous experiences with ion bolts hitting IPCs directly, but...

I underestimated RNG. Their foot blew off and they were shut down instantly, likely due to two individual pulse stacks hitting the tile that Helper was on, thus doubling down on damage to every single applied organ on Helper.

I took responsibility for my actions but explained that given the situation, I was wholly justified in taking that specific character out of the round given the nature of how much of a giant glaring security risk they were for not only acting like a greytiding shitbot, but a greytiding shitbot with an apparent immunity to all forms of stuns. Am I proud of having done it? No, I don't take killing folk (especially crewmembers) very lightly. I was hoping to not have to exercise a last-measure force operating outside the damn manual I wrote about non-lethal force applications, but I ended up having to resort to using EMP against an apparent rogue synthetic.

After explaining this to a mod, some time later, I received the following by Roderick Grey:

 

 

Shortly after, I received what was basically a message that I was disavowed of all guilt by the moderator who questioned me earlier.

The ironic timing about this was absolutely astounding and it pretty much implies before Roderick started DMing me, he was told "no this isn't an issue" by a moderator and he decided to kick up more dust about this because he didn't get the outcome he wanted. I think him calling me a prude without knowing what a prude was, is the funniest thing about this exchange. Anyway, I blocked him on discord afterwards.

I can play that game too, but I'd honestly would rather have this be resolved in a more just and fair fashion by public council.

Given his previous behavior that led to his security ban, I honestly have my doubts as to the prospect of if I should let this go. I really should not, because I do not think I deserved to receive the sudden sperging out that I got from Roderick, nor do I think his sperging out was justified to start with.

I absolutely believe that Helper has become one of the worst examples for IPC characters and it has detracted heavily from what Roderick promised in his whitelist application for a wholly different character that could've been interesting as a prospect, but was never executed.

It is for this reason that I think he needs the IPC whitelist strip.

In regards to the discord harassment, and I'm not gonna be rosy about this: He needs to fuck off with that shit. I don't come onto the server to start shit with people in-game. I play to enjoy the game with the rest of you people, not to be subjected to both forms of toxicity via IC and OOC. I do not believe I deserved what I received, nor do I think anyone else should have to be subjected to that either. He needs to go find a new hobby if his current one frustrates him to the extent where he needs to flame other individuals for what happened in a video game that was merely motivated for the sake of the video game's progression and the characters existing in it. Yeah, I know, pot calling the kettle black, I'm sure. Let they who are without sin cast the first stone. Sure, people get mad when they lose, but there are extents of reasonable frustration you can have when something doesn't go your way.

I'd rather not be eventually meta-grudged because someone with an illusory superiority complex decided to take issue with how I played a video game.

Approximate Date/Time: 26-SEP-2458 to 27-SEP-2458, 11PM EDT to 3AMEDT.

Edited September 26, 2016 by Guest

[rrrrrr]

I am the IPC head. This thread does not paint a pretty picture. I am going to let Roderick post before passing judgement.

Actually, scratch that, I'll pass judgement right now: this looks like shit. Imagine, for a brief moment, the amount of shit an elephant can leave on the ground in a single week - tons. Tons of pachyderm feces, all arranged in a neat pile. Now imagine if you were to dive head first into this, excuse me, gigantic pile of shit. Now imagine that the pile of elephant shit is on fire.

Basically, Roderick, this is what I think you did.

[Roderick Grey]

During a specific antagonist round where he was not an antagonist, this starts with him feeling it appropriate to broadcast and spam in IC "WEE WOO MISUSE OF COMMS" close to seven times (denominating them with first count, second count, so on) before a moderator poked them to stop the spamming.

 

I was never contacted by a moderator about this, it was entirely resolved ingame I'm not sure where you're getting the mod poking from, I'm assuming you ahelped it but it was never addressed.

 

Anyway, they would later table a bartender and kick their head in for an unexplained and likely unprovoked reason. Given it's Helper who already has a reputation for being a greytiding shitbot, I wouldn't be shocked if there wasn't a good reason for doing that.

 

I never kicked anyone's head in, nor injured any crew member during that entire shift, the closest I came to harm crew was my foot flying off and hitting a detective's head after you ioned me I'm also not familiar with his reputation of being a: "Greytiding shitbot" this might be your unfortunate habit of thinking your opinion is one that is widely held.

 

Helper would unbuckle immediately, run out of the cell and help intent past the officers, and attempting to open the brig foyer airlocks. He failed a fair bit.

 

Yeah, I ran past you and stood at the doors trying to indicate, that I wanted to leave and wasn't going to stop, because I still had tasks to fill while you and other sec wordlessly batoned and shot at me.

 

To make a long story short in that affair, we did attempt in every method of non-lethal force to try and pacify Helper (including diplomacy, and in the records of Helper it even states it listens to command staff)

 

Okay, first of all you could've used the one method of non-lethal force that actually works, CQC, disarming tabling, grabbing, all of those are viable, and as I was clearly not trying to harm you that would've been the smart choice instead of unloading stun guns and rubbers across your brig and at no point in that conflict did you make any order or request, you opened fire, tried to baton and flash me, then you ran got an ion rifle and wordlessly killed a crew member, I wasn't mal-functioning you were just being the shitty HoS you're reputed to be.

 

I seriously did not want to risk the entire security force composed of mostly organics to get out-robusted and hurt by an IPC spam-clicking on disarm intent to fetch themselves stun batons.

I had plenty of opportunities to fetch your officers weapons, I never used them against you or your crew, the times I accidentally picked them up I threw them away and continued standing by the door.

 

I was hoping to not have to exercise a last-measure force operating outside the damn manual I wrote about non-lethal force applications, but I ended up having to resort to using EMP against an apparent rogue synthetic.

Yeah, you seem fond of talking about how officers should communicate without actually resorting to your own guidelines yourself, CQC and communication are both on there, you had four officers surrounding me when you chose to use lethals.

 

The ironic timing about this was absolutely astounding and it pretty much implies before Roderick started DMing me, he was told "no this isn't an issue" by a moderator and he decided to kick up more dust about this because he didn't get the outcome he wanted.

No, the mod was helpful they also said they were going to inform you on how to deal with IPCS as it was clear you struggle, you're literally the only officer/HoS that's had to resort to ioning Helper. I assumed the person who takes themselves as the sec player who "wrote the book" would be open to discussing feedback, especially in lieu of you so called "assblasting" my sec play.

 

I think him calling me a prude without knowing what a prude was, is the funniest thing about this exchange. Anyway, I blocked him on discord afterwards.

 

 

I realized after you jumped from quoting rules to quoting definitions that any kind of discourse we had wasn't going to be beneficial.

 

I can play that game too, but I'd honestly would rather have this be resolved in a more just and fair fashion by public council.

You are a fan of dealing with all drama publicly I don't really think people expect you to justify it by now.

 

I really should not, because I do not think I deserved to receive the sudden sperging out that I got from Roderick, nor do I think his sperging out was justified to start with.

http://forums.aurorastation.org/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=7051&start=30

Take a good hard look at your tone towards me in this thread in regards to my sec play, then look out our brief interaction and tell me which one strikes you as sperging.

 

In regards to the discord harassment, and I'm not gonna be rosy about this: He needs to fuck off with that shit. I don't come onto the server to start shit with people in-game.

I had no intention of interacting with you further although if starting shit isn't your objective you might want to start looking at your snarky petulant attitude, the offhand insults and that weird grudge-tango you do with chaz, that I was fortunate enough to be a part of.

 

I play to enjoy the game with the rest of you people, not to be subjected to both forms of toxicity via IC and OOC.

You're probably the absolute worst offender of this on the forums or server, you reap what you sow.

 

Sure, people get mad when they lose, but there are extents of reasonable frustration you can have when something doesn't go your way.

I dedicated about 5 minutes of my time telling you essentially that your ingame actions were hypocritical then when you started acting standoffish I pretty much called you an uptight cunt, and from what I've seen from you, I honestly don't think that's an unreasonable stance to take.

as far as the verdict goes whether it be an IPC ban or another ban I'm honestly not fussed at this point, the more I see 1138 having tantrums on the forums and in ooc the less I want to be involved with this community.

[Guest]

I was never contacted by a moderator about this, it was entirely resolved ingame I'm not sure where you're getting the mod poking from, I'm assuming you ahelped it but it was never addressed.

 

Hmm, I don't know why a moderator would lie to me about it, then!

...No, really, if a moderator told me that was the case, in what position are you to dispute that?

 

I never kicked anyone's head in, nor injured any crew member during that entire shift, the closest I came to harm crew was my foot flying off and hitting a detective's head after you ioned me I'm also not familiar with his reputation of being a: "Greytiding shitbot" this might be your unfortunate habit of thinking your opinion is one that is widely held.

 

Yes you did. You beat the bartender's head in after tabling him because he was retaliating against you for acting like a greytiding shitbot. Is this your response to your "unjust and unfair" security ban, abusing your current species whitelist in order to spite and grief security into having a worse-off time than what should be allowed? You are seriously lucky right now. I don't think you realize how much of a chance you were given by both IJ and Tainavaa. They're nice staff members. Probably too nice. They'd let someone get away with murder if they could personally rationalize it.

I ioned you because you were legitimately acting like a malfunctioning synthetic. IPCs aren't people. They are only crewmembers by a technicality. You acted incredibly out of line of expectations of any whitelist holder that is well-known in the community enough to the point where people trust them to roleplay synthetics in a sane and pro-fun manner. Your IPC has no sense of self-preservation whatsoever and would jump out into space if its original "boss" told it to do so. It's even allowable in your self-written directives for your character, and in several rounds you have personally breached them by your own accord.

It's not so much you don't know how to roleplay a synthetic, per se, it's that you have no actual clue how to roleplay at all. You have swung and missed at every opportunity intending to hone the RP skills of players in-game where everyone else just considered it to be the basics. You do not seem to understand or comprehend what we consider assumed nuances of roleplay. How do you have such a low RP batting average?

 

Yeah, I ran past you and stood at the doors trying to indicate, that I wanted to leave and wasn't going to stop, because I still had tasks to fill while you and other sec wordlessly batoned and shot at me.

 

You didn't say a damn thing either. Why should security give you the benefit of the doubt if you're intentionally giving them a hard time? Again, your character has no sense of preservation or self-awareness whatsoever if it hasn't considered the consequences of attempting to escape detainment. Especially in the fashion that you did it. Why should you be exempt from consequences? You literally ran past two people from your cell without saying a single word. You had no intention in roleplaying detainment procedures with security, you considered yourself untouchable and thought security couldn't retaliate.

I proved in that situation, you crossed the line and were in the wrong. If you cannot understand the basic concepts of roleplay and how to interact with other individuals properly in IC, then you will suffer the consequences for repeated terrible conduct. Security and antagonists alike are permitted to take other characters out of play if the situation calls for it.

 

Okay, first of all you could've used the one method of non-lethal force that actually works, CQC, disarming tabling, grabbing, all of those are viable, and as I was clearly not trying to harm you that would've been the smart choice instead of unloading stun guns and rubbers across your brig and at no point in that conflict did you make any order or request, you opened fire, tried to baton and flash me, then you ran got an ion rifle and wordlessly killed a crew member, I wasn't mal-functioning you were just being the shitty HoS you're reputed to be.

 

How you expect to CQC someone and table them if there's no table around to slam them on, dummy? You chose to position yourself in the foyer with the explicit purpose of being immune to grabs as you were able to walk right out of them. It's like you don't know anything about the basics of melee combat, you don't get clicked.

But you're not stupid, and I know you're just being obtuse for the sake of it. I know for absolute certain that you are not an idiot.

By the way, a fair few told you to stop. You refused to listen. You were breaking your own "laws", so to speak.

 

I had plenty of opportunities to fetch your officers weapons, I never used them against you or your crew, the times I accidentally picked them up I threw them away and continued standing by the door.

 

I can't really count how many times you tried to disarm people, but you failed almost all of them. Prior to me plugging an ion bolt up your robo-butt, you had failed to disarm an officer by the detective's office approximately four times before I shot you once and dealt the deathblow.

 

Yeah, you seem fond of talking about how officers should communicate without actually resorting to your own guidelines yourself, CQC and communication are both on there, you had four officers surrounding me when you chose to use lethals.

 

You wordlessly skirted out of the cell while officers were typing to try and talk to you. You wordlessly attempted to disarm spam officers. You entirely ignored any semblance of communication with security. And you're shocked that you get "wordlessly" gunned down?

Man, I hope you never play a prank involving guns on a real police/security officer. That would seriously weigh on my conscience if you got your ass kicked in real life by a professional.

 

No, the mod was helpful they also said they were going to inform you on how to deal with IPCS as it was clear you struggle, you're literally the only officer/HoS that's had to resort to ioning Helper. I assumed the person who takes themselves as the sec player who "wrote the book" would be open to discussing feedback, especially in lieu of you so called "assblasting" my sec play.

 

That's not what they said! The moderator only forwarded the suggestions you made because you asked them to, not because I was actually at fault or I handled it badly. If I handled it badly, I would've received a warning. Which I didn't.

I also have no real obligation to listen to feedback if the person who is angrily presenting it is permanently jobbanned from playing security. Who are you to give me advice, and why should I listen to someone who badposts and flames as a way to give "feedback?" Because I don't think that's a way to give feedback, son.

I also didn't write the book, I just simply know it well enough and have executed both the written and spiritual parts of it enough times to know what the fuck I'm talking about. Which is certainly more than can be said for you, mister. And hey, another plus is that I am pursuing a degree in criminal justice. So that accounts for hours of studying and research, in combination to reading a lot of related material on the subject. My father was also a military police officer back when he served, and he's currently one of my most valuable resources in my own pursuit to see my own dream become realized in terms of what I want as a job in life.

I'll stop tooting my own horn here because I'm pretty sure nobody cares about details relating to my personal life, but I want to ensure we understand each other. I'm not the utmost authority but you could probably do well by listening from time to time, and not just to me. Look at your own unjob-ban appeal. I am willing to bet real money you have not taken a single word of pikl's to heart. I do not see you caring enough to even try.

 

I realized after you jumped from quoting rules to quoting definitions that any kind of discourse we had wasn't going to be beneficial.

 

Did you also realize that getting on people's case while they're in the middle of playing a round of SS13 is bound to piss them off in some shape or form?

 

You are a fan of dealing with all drama publicly I don't really think people expect you to justify it by now.

 

Deflect this as mere drama as you will, I'm not seeing you having a wake-up call as to how your actions affect others anytime soon. It is really easy to dismiss something as a non-issue when you do not care about it. Why would you have complained about my character plugging an ionbolt in your character's robobutt if you didn't have some level of investment? Just to start shit for the hell of it, cast the other party in a negative light and try to get them into trouble with what we consider an authority here?

I think that'd be stretching too far, honestly. But hey, you wouldn't have DM'd me in the middle of the round if you weren't trying to start up drama. You got it now, buddy, can you take what you dish?

 

Take a good hard look at your tone towards me in this thread in regards to my sec play, then look out our brief interaction and tell me which one strikes you as sperging.

 

You lied twice in that thread. You were job-banned from security for a total of three days. You did lie to me regarding the antagHUD icon changing and did not even address my concern about that.

Why should anyone be patient and humble around a habitual liar who only looks out for themselves?

That's you, by the way. You probably also missed how half of the participants in the thread were backing you on the basis of "well I've never been on the ass-end of the stick of roddy" whereas the others were along the lines of "please listen to the person offering criticism no matter how it's phrased".

I've been told enough times people are not only hard of hearing but hard of reading at times, too. Open book, read pages, finish book, close book. Don't bother gleaning anything meaningful from the text you've read, reading comprehension is for losers, right?

 

I had no intention of interacting with you further although if starting shit isn't your objective you might want to start looking at your snarky petulant attitude, the offhand insults and that weird grudge-tango you do with chaz, that I was fortunate enough to be a part of.

 

Odd that you say that. You said that in the last thread yet openly sought me out to shit on my security play with zero context as to why I made those decisions.

Why would you be consistent?

By the way, I cannot count the amount of times Chaz and I have had disagreements and arguments. We've shot the shit so many times I don't think the either of us are actually offended by each other's existence nor do we actually care about each other's opinions at the end of the day. The whole "mock the dude in your signature" thing didn't start as my idea.

But yeah don't comment on something you don't know about, that's pretty dumb

 

I dedicated about 5 minutes of my time telling you essentially that your ingame actions were hypocritical then when you started acting standoffish I pretty much called you an uptight cunt, and from what I've seen from you, I honestly don't think that's an unreasonable stance to take.

as far as the verdict goes whether it be an IPC ban or another ban I'm honestly not fussed at this point, the more I see 1138 having tantrums on the forums and in ooc the less I want to be involved with this community.

 

I literally blocked you immediately because I was in the middle of playing a round and I didn't need the shit you were giving me. You didn't have a chance to say anything else, dude.

Anyway, I don't really see why your personal outlook about me excuses any of your garbage behavior I've seen lately. I don't see how being a "prude" in the sense of trying to be reserved and controlled, is suddenly a bad thing. To hell with me for responding correctly to someone trying to start drama, right?

Right.

Bold is important here, though. Why? Because it's clear you do not care.

And hey, if I could be honest? There's one thing Skull has always told me if I ever had gripes about the community or the server that I couldn't sort out or get over myself: The door's always open. Learn how to use it instead of sniffling about how mean people are when they're actually trying to be honest and sincere for the benefit of others.

[Roderick Grey]

I've said my part, not going to bother justifying myself to you any further.

[DatBerry]

Ah yes, i remember this as it was yesterday.

I was the head of personnel that round, the screaming on comms was due to a crew member's order, just like every other action made by helper, while the reason was stupid, they had an IC reason and should've dealt with them ICly, IJ was the one who took your ahelp about spam and told you that there was a IC reason and that you just didn't bother to figure it.

Though i did as a head of staff order helper not to break regulations, yet he was reported to have assaulted the bartender, to what extent? I dont know, but they never ahelped and i didnt look into it ICly, i also ordered him to stop spamming in the common channel but he ignored that too, so i reported you as a malfunctioning IPC to command.

The Ioning was legit for more than one reason, though the first would suffice:

1: you were spam disarming security trying to escape, non lethal methods didnt work, according to SOP lethal force is authorized, and you dont use lethal force for none lethal take down.

2: you were breaking your guidelines in the employment records and so you were to be scrapped.

3: i dont know if you read the news but IPC terrorism has been on the rise in tau ceti, even without that IPCs were always abused, illegaly executed and what not by biesel police, there's no reason for nanotrasen to be more thoughtful towards IPCs, and i believe these news should have an actual impact on station RP.

The PMing part is hardly against server rules, just a very salted dish of OOC discussion, that you could've told them to discuss after the round ended.

i honestly believe helper is just a hindrance to the station at this point, and i dont see why it would still be employed with the amount of canon issues happening, the idea is good but the execution is sub standards.

[UnknownMurder]

Roderick Grey has been blocked from me for a quite long time, I tend to block people who aren't beneficial.

Here's a different case regarding Helper's behavior, I'm not sure if anyone remembers. It was the other day when I actually got a chance to play a full round. Anyhow, as a Head of Security, Devin Wright, during a different round and game mode was Ninja with Helper. Helper even offered to do something that involves taking antagonist actions as a non-antagonist for one, hiding a body. He was later shunned by the people over the communications and was told to stop.

Unsure if the one in charge of this complaint case or rrrrrr is willingly to admit this piece of information into consideration.

[Alberyk]

As a security player that had to deal with this characters some times, I could say this is not the first time we had to use lethal force to stop them as a non-antag from doing similar things.

[valky_walky2]

Yesterday he spent the entire round in medical, it got to the point were the medical staff ended up asking my character to physically throw him out of medbay. He would then constantly come running back into med bay as soon as the doors got opened. We informed security but they were busy dealing with mercs so really couldn't turn up to help.

[Chaznoodles]

If I recall, I was Gainsboro during this round. Helper was strolling around after being ordered by Samara Kaytam to massage Security officers. He gets arrested by one and thrown into a cell, managing to escape, stunning the HoS in the process. Instead of further injuring them, they run around like a headless chicken whilst myself and the rest of Security do the same, with Helper running into maintenance with the HoS' ID. Myself and the HoS follow, the HoS goes the wrong way whilst I pursue, in true Security fashion. On the way through the maintenance, being the filthy powergamer I am, I grabbed the Doublebeard Rum from the crate. I corner Helper on the Bridge, smash him over the head with it, and cuff him in a timely fashion. It was a great chase, and Helper never did anything that would hurt anyone.

Helper manages to escape twice more whilst I'm not present, due to what I would assume was incompetence from Security and the HoS. On the second time, he gets ioned and killed, which appears to be a huge overstepping of authority, killing an entirely non-hostile crewmember who'd done nothing but lightly bother Security by trying to massage them.

The messaging itself seems more ironic than not, take it with a pinch of salt, because that's how Grey always talks.

All Security had to do to take the IPC down nonlethally was nicely ask the bartender for a bottle of something, but it seems people are happier to kill than to put a little effort in to keep someone in the round for roleplay purposes.

Edit: Different round, it seems. People seem to have a habit of killing people for not trying to kill them.

 

I'd rather not be eventually meta-grudged because someone with an illusory superiority complex decided to take issue with how I played a video game.

 

Did the pot just call the kettle black

[Taintedglory]

Look, while I don't particularly like Delta or his opinions, this one is rather valid in my honest opinion. I dealt with Helper on one of their antag rounds. I never met this IPC before and I hope to never meet it again. Everyone immediately starts screaming over main comms how Helper is Greytide shit bot or something and how they just want to go ahead and shut it down. Confused, because usually a Whitelisted player holds a little more respect than a Non-Whitelist Pleb, I just think its a meme.

No. No dear god it was not a meme. It was much worse than a meme.

Even the fact that this character was Antag for the round, it was some of the most god awful shit-tier level of RP from an IPC I have ever met. The best way to describe it, I think, is Spastic and Childish, With a sprinkling of chucklefuck involved. The character constantly knocked on windows to spam chat, ran around in circles all the time, did Bald Griefer greytide level of RP (I.E. None) and generally caused more issues In the brig than even the most hard core of Antags would ever cause.

Personally, in my honest opinion, this would be a character that would never be hired by NT regularly. It would be on the same level of how we treat Perma-Bans as a character being permanently fired from the job. Its only a matter of time before I see Helper grab a Fuel Tank and welder is what I'm getting at here.

[Guest]

I was about to say, Chaz. You definitely didn't have any involvement in this round.

[LordRaven001]

Helper... Helper.... Oh Jesus, That IPC is a major headache for any Command/Security player.

Every encounter I've had with Helper has involved in him being dismantled/arrested, I was there for this round and it was a giant clusterfuck on his part he caused more damage then the Antags, venting science for uranium because a random chemist gave the order, He then robusted a warden and security officer with his mad IPC strength.

Helper is just a nightmare to deal with.

[Snoopy11]

I think Roderick as a person is okay, but the character Helper is a nightmare. Sometimes funny, sometimes, but the majority of the time they are a complete pain in the ass; needs to be rethought or scrapped.

One funny moment I can say, is when it changed it's voice into windchimes, legitimately funny, proceeding when the robot got an anti-tank rifle and broke themselves out of communal as an antag.

The character has potential to be good, someone to remember. But Roderick has over-saturated Helper's use and it has become a pain to deal with, OOCly and ICly.

[sonicgotnuked]

I was the warden during him breaking out of the brig with an anti-tank rifle, His wind chime voice made me laugh when he screamed bing bong and me shitting my pants as I ran deeper into security and grabbed the ion rifle while I was screaming at security. The first reason he was placed in the brig was because he trespassed into robotics to change the voice, we got him in for two minutes, he kept on trying to break out and got a HuT. Yes he was an antag but I probley ruined his run when I came over with an ION rifle and fried him while after her murdered a security officer in the brig (I was talking to someone and I learned to never ignore beating sounds) I had to SSD while taking them down but this action goes through when he is not a antag, people order something or to get some tool, he then runs to a person who has it, of they refuse, they get beaten. I have complained In dead chat about helper and mentioned that I might make a report to. He is a pain ICly to my warden cat who JUST met them, I don't think this amount of RP should be tolerated from a IPC application. I honestly think he has the IPC whitelist to try and find a reason to self antag every single round without getting in shit from admins. I absolutely hate HELPER when he is in the same round as me.

[Nikov]

Every effort I've made to involve Helper failed, because Helper cannot count above ten. I tried, very sincerely, to give Helper a task or two to do with explicit instructions. He can't change light bulbs. I tried sending him to robotics for a CPU upgrade. Somehow that became a fiasco. I told him to take an inventory of Engineering. He broke several windows then threw all the tools into a pile and said "tenish".

If Helper shows up, order him to go into the incinerator and melt him down for scrap. Nobody bats an eye.

[UnknownMurder]

Every effort I've made to involve Helper failed, because Helper cannot count above ten. I tried, very sincerely, to give Helper a task or two to do with explicit instructions. He can't change light bulbs. I tried sending him to robotics for a CPU upgrade. Somehow that became a fiasco. I told him to take an inventory of Engineering. He broke several windows then threw all the tools into a pile and said "tenish".

If Helper shows up, order him to go into the incinerator and melt him down for scrap. Nobody bats an eye.

 

Hey. Hey. It's over. Roderick Grey's banned from IPC which is an IC thing. You can let it go.

What's left of it is Discord Harassment which is an OOC issue.

[Roderick Grey]

RIP Helper, too helpful for his own good.

[DatBerry]

Even though i was supposed to take over this complaint, it seems the lore dude of IPCs have already struck judgement, so the part about helper is resolved.

The OOC part does not look like harassment, i believe the staff deemed to be not harassment, nor is is IC in OOC since both of you knew what happened that round, and it wasn't shared outside, you being such an old player should've known this delta, not really sure why you thought this was Ick in Oock.

Discussing something with someone in PMs is a valid way of dealing with disagreements or concerns about someone else's actions before bringing them to the complaint forums.

Ill leave this open for a day before locking and archiving.

[Ornias]

Wow.

Looks like I'm the only person that... didn't hate Helper.

Helper was a tool, in the nicest possible way. Someone says 'Do This', he says 'Okay!'. That was it. If he was only asked to do useful things, he'd only do useful things. But people ask him to break the law, and so he would break the law.

He always intentionally botched any assault or murder orders. And he made it so that heads of staff could override orders.

Helper was so close to being something really cool, which is a shame, because people abusing him ruined it.