SleepyWolf Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 All I want is a little option in Preferences that allows you to, when you're flashed or anything like that, get a black screen instead of white. I'm not sure if this'll even work but I now know maybe 5 people that have epilepsy in the server and all of them are afraid of flashes. This'll just improve the safety of some shit.
Guest Marlon Phoenix Posted May 2, 2018 Posted May 2, 2018 This is a very good suggestion. There are few things that flash white save for flashes and explosions, so this would be a very good change.
Korinra Posted May 2, 2018 Posted May 2, 2018 I +1 this option. If it can hurt a player IRL. One more thing that would need to be changed for that is penlights. Penlights, when in Help intent and targeting they eye apply the "flash" effect on the person, except it doesn't stun. Change that to black as well.
Resilynn Posted May 2, 2018 Posted May 2, 2018 I know of players who have to log out if someone is wearing that stupid flashing rainbow suit as well. We should also take a look at that.
Skull132 Posted May 2, 2018 Posted May 2, 2018 I know of players who have to log out if someone is wearing that stupid flashing rainbow suit as well. We should also take a look at that. Is that seriously an issue? The sprite is 64x64 nominally. I can get behind the bright flash stuff but really? The entire point of that suit is to be flashy and rainbow-y. Not trying to be condescending here, and maybe I am misinformed on the severity of the issue, but I'm failing to fathom how something so relatively small could cause epilepsy unless you have a really severe case. At which point, I do not believe you should be playing SS13.
Resilynn Posted May 2, 2018 Posted May 2, 2018 I know of players who have to log out if someone is wearing that stupid flashing rainbow suit as well. We should also take a look at that. Is that seriously an issue? The sprite is 64x64 nominally. I can get behind the bright flash stuff but really? The entire point of that suit is to be flashy and rainbow-y. Not trying to be condescending here, and maybe I am misinformed on the severity of the issue, but I'm failing to fathom how something so relatively small could cause epilepsy unless you have a really severe case. At which point, I do not believe you should be playing SS13. I dunno, I only play a doctor. But when someone with epilepsy tells me they have to leave when someone's wearing it, I'm inclined to believe it's problematic.
AmoryBlaine Posted May 2, 2018 Posted May 2, 2018 I know of players who have to log out if someone is wearing that stupid flashing rainbow suit as well. We should also take a look at that. Is that seriously an issue? The sprite is 64x64 nominally. I can get behind the bright flash stuff but really? The entire point of that suit is to be flashy and rainbow-y. Not trying to be condescending here, and maybe I am misinformed on the severity of the issue, but I'm failing to fathom how something so relatively small could cause epilepsy unless you have a really severe case. At which point, I do not believe you should be playing SS13. It is bothering to my eyes, although I am not epileptic. Can't concentrate on the screen, and become a bit nauseous. If we could, it would be nice to have it removed, the few times it gets used are uncomfortable for me at least.
Elohi Adanvdo Posted May 3, 2018 Posted May 3, 2018 I know of players who have to log out if someone is wearing that stupid flashing rainbow suit as well. We should also take a look at that. Is that seriously an issue? The sprite is 64x64 nominally. I can get behind the bright flash stuff but really? The entire point of that suit is to be flashy and rainbow-y. Not trying to be condescending here, and maybe I am misinformed on the severity of the issue, but I'm failing to fathom how something so relatively small could cause epilepsy unless you have a really severe case. At which point, I do not believe you should be playing SS13. It is bothering to my eyes, although I am not epileptic. Can't concentrate on the screen, and become a bit nauseous. If we could, it would be nice to have it removed, the few times it gets used are uncomfortable for me at least. I'm not epileptic either, and I experience this as well. It is incredibly difficult to look at for me with my sensory sensitivities- I can suck it up and play with it on-screen, but if there are epileptics that are playing or others who find it uncomfortable, maybe we can add a "set to static" option for players like how the stars in space layer and move- the parallax effect, I think it was called? And those who are unbothered by it, they can keep it toggled on. But I'd understand if that wasn't possible due to coding. However, it does make me wonder- the explosions and security flashes can also be rather problematic for those in the community that experience epilepsy... Maybe have an option to mess with how bright they turn out for players, like making them an opaque overlay for those that toggle it down... or actually maybe do the opposite and make the screen go black instead so it's not a bright flash, and it still blinds them. So toggle it on, and white flashes/effects are made black.
Skull132 Posted May 3, 2018 Posted May 3, 2018 [mention]Elohi Adanvdo[/mention] none of that's possible. Which flash overlay is used is somewhat easy due to the way it's applied, but literally anything else. Explosions, gun fire, evacuation and fire alarms, is very difficult if not impossible to make safe. The bottom line is, this game is not and cannot be made safe for severe epileptics.
Coalf Posted May 3, 2018 Posted May 3, 2018 Would could also put an epilepsy warning on the welcome screen? Maybe?
Butterrobber202 Posted May 3, 2018 Posted May 3, 2018 A warning and flash fix sounds good enough for me.
Elohi Adanvdo Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 Thank you for explaining, [mention]Skull132[/mention] . If nothing can be done, then yes, an epilepsy warning would do the most justice to "fix" this, and perhaps give examples of instances when it would be experienced and what items can cause it, so they can be better avoided for those who still want to participate at their own risk.
Kaed Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 Isn't just using a computer in general to play video games kind of dangerous to epileptics...?
sdtwbaj Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 on the topic of rainbow jumpsuits, there could be an option to slow down the flashing of them by a large enough amount to not be a problem
LanceLynxx Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 Isn't just using a computer in general to play video games kind of dangerous to epileptics...? this I mean if you're gonna play a video game You sort of already /know/ what you're getting into Things move, light changes, sounds are made, this isn't SOLITAIRE. (and even solitaire can cause seizures when you finish it and the cards jump around the screen)
Scheveningen Posted May 5, 2018 Posted May 5, 2018 While the game itself cannot be made any more epilepsy-safe right now (because, honestly, Skull has a point, you shouldn't be playing video games if you have epilepsy) it shouldn't be interpreted as an excuse to implement new features to create a situation that would actually likely cause an epileptic seizure. Just stating this for posterity in case someone wants to make excuses as to why the game needs more flashing light/white noise crap.
Skull132 Posted May 5, 2018 Posted May 5, 2018 Lemme be curious for but ein moment. We don't have warnings for our other content (most specifically gore, which can upset the weak nerved ones; but I'm sure we can come up with something else as well). Why the sudden request for them. What goal does it satisfy. All of this is pretty standard stuff for video games, something which the consumer should arguably be already aware of. Nor do we openly broadcast ourselves as straying from the commonly present tropes. In my honest to God opinion, such warnings would have an almost null effect on anything. (And please don't take this as a reason for me not implementing this, I've yet to make up my mind. It's ultimately trivial anyways, as far as coding goes. I'm just really curious as to why people suddenly started caring about this one specific thing out of a myriad of equivalent thing.) And now for something completely detached: While the game itself cannot be made any more epilepsy-safe right now (because, honestly, Skull has a point, you shouldn't be playing video games if you have epilepsy) it shouldn't be interpreted as an excuse to implement new features to create a situation that would actually likely cause an epileptic seizure. Just stating this for posterity in case someone wants to make excuses as to why the game needs more flashing light/white noise crap. lmao wat. If we find a feature which fits purpose, isn't obnoxious, and happens to be a potential trigger for epilepsy. Then we absoloutely should add it. Your ass is trying to grand-stand while making an empty statement about potentially obnoxious gameplay features.
Scheveningen Posted May 5, 2018 Posted May 5, 2018 isn't obnoxious, Key phrase here. I was outright agreeing with the sentiment that if it doesn't suit a purpose and it's blatantly obnoxious, it shouldn't be added, especially if it is seizure-inducing. I have zero idea why you feel the need to insult me. I'm not sure how I'm the one grandstanding here.
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