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Throwing people with grabs and still being able to hang onto them to prevent them from moving away from you was honestly a high skillcap thing to use that made grabs actually deadly enough to be viable. The fact it was considered a "bug" and wiped out without any compensation buffs or tweaks to how grabs work is pretty disappointing, because I pretty much don't use grabs in combat now. It's a waste of time and actions. If passive+ grabs could root people into place until they resist out of it, that'd be fine.

Even though I suggested the neural lace thing, I still think cloning regulation should be an opt-out thing that a player chooses versus opt-in. When you create a system that's opt-X, the majority people are going to use the default not always knowing there's an alternative opt choice. Having laces allows people to decide through mechanical restrictions whether their character should be cloned or not, but that's mostly just tangentially related to the suggestion if not a standalone issue on its own. Which I think would be more interesting but that's just me.

Add neural laces. It's the best way to mechanically regulate who gets cloned or not.

Because they think theirs is better, it's probably not a good idea to ignore them.

Looks like a monitoring room for the test chamber, Bauser, I think that is what it is for. Having a separate room for the sake of weapons demonstrations ranging from prototype firearms to biological weapons is neat for RP flavor. We have the holodeck, chaplain's office, psychologist office and many other things that suit mostly roleplay flavor more than a need of mechanical necessity. There's plenty of space on the station and mapping is a kind of development that is the most considerable and radical change, but our map has a lot of room for expansion. Speak for yourself when you say "people think it looks ugly" because the most recent update looks fine to me. I don't see why this is such a problem, it moves xenobotany out of the way and down to its own sublevel where more dangerous testing should be undertaken anyway. See an Anomalist's research or xenobiology as examples.

The most that can be gotten out of this at this point is that two parties are significantly entrenched in their positions here and there's probably little else that will shift anyone off any sort of point. I don't think anyone wants to repeat themselves. Is this a kind of an issue that will lead to an overall denial of the lore application if a single change isn't made due to contentious convictions being made over this subject? We all may be kind of dug in but Snake and I aren't exactly the ones with forum permissions to get something to pass, so we do not exactly have a stalemate breaker of our own short of completely conceding the argument just to get a change pushed through. There's a kind of power imbalance in this debate here.

I don't understand how I'm perpetuating the lore falsely when I am telling you how it is currently written and how people are interpreting it. If you're so adamant on accusing me of lying and perpetuating falsehood every step of the way then there's really nothing else I can say. I guarantee that it will not. You both are absolutely wrong on this. You are comparing two different cases here and expecting the same result. Dominia is an established government that has the power to do whatever the hell it likes within its own borders. Dominia is also the first of its kind to just flop for reasons associated with its overall scope and design, in which people interpreted just as they did. I may even be wrong and have absolutely no idea why it gentrified and turned into the current stigmatized example that it is now. It might even be an exclusive problem to Dominia itself. I seriously think it's rather nebulous to assume that this concept as written here is exactly what's going on with Dominia here. I'm not sure if you can point that out without accepting personal responsibility, which neither of you have seemingly done. You both seem more content on blaming "the playerbase" for not roleplaying right? There's not really a degree of instructions that are laid out on the wiki page on how to roleplay a Dominian to such depth that, for example, the Unathi have their own section on. The Roman Catholic Church has to obey local laws. It cannot do whatever it likes. The Inquisition is also a bomb name too (almost half the factions use it, cool!) and it doesn't take an incredibly long time to type out in IC. Logistically it's the superior choice of terminology.

I'm really not sure how this is a good design idea and I hope there's a justification that later expands on this because I really don't understand the net worth of the concept being presented there. Mostly due to the part that I don't think there's been an avid attempt in attempting quality control of Dominian characters or clarifying exactly what the societal expectations there are of them. The Maraziite order is fine. The amount of characters that can actually play Maraziites are rather limited and their niche is way more clearly defined than Dominians (added benefit of a race that's been developed for 3 years), and a tack-on point to make is that Unathi players are whitelisted and have pretty serious expectations for roleplay. Dominians can be human nobles and they aren't exactly beholden to any whitelist standards or a threatening of a whitelist strip. Unathi from Dominia are expected to act to a higher standard of roleplay quality. Human Dominians, rather, humans in general, aren't held to higher expectations of RP quality. This is the problem here. Not everything needs to fill specific expectations in order to fit in the given setting. This statement was even proven by your canonizing and eventual attention given to Dominia. At first people didn't take it seriously and then you went out of your way to add more depth and intrigue to it, to make it weird, bizarre and distinct from the other groups. While a good thing on its own its had its own awkward effects on the grander scale. rounding back to the Catholics: This is an inquisition that does not outright oppress people or potentially murder them in the streets for any perceived sin. The name presents an awkward burden that will mostly certainly bear witness to some degree of persecution or call-outs through roleplay. This is extremely interesting to me and I do want this. Yes, I do want that to happen! It's a great idea, I love conflict. It will create interesting conflict because it most certainly is not the antagonist forces that people are going to associate it with. This is great and in-depth interaction just waiting to be dealt with. Names are not sanctified social precepts that people are required to take seriously, because they are just words. Words do not always represent the best intentions of people. Yes, I will point out that your otherwise unjustified and over-reaction to the concept of a non-antagonist force having a branch of organization be named "the Inquisition"! Because it's silly and unwarranted, it's just a name. It is the intent and the actions that really matter overall. I hate to say "but you did it first" but I mean, you brought it up as an 'issue' in the first place and I'm adamant on dying on the same hill to keep it as I believe there will be value that will be missed out on by removing the name and the potential stigma problem that should transition as an IC issue to be handled and dealt with. I do believe the potential for misconceptions over the terminology ICly is something totally worth the 'trouble.' I do not think it warrants change. I know you put a lot of value in ensuring writing stays consistent but, honestly, I don't think anyone can say the lore is perfectly consistent and I don't think anyone is really expecting it to be either. Tropes are not something that needs to be something that needs to be held up as if it were gospel. Pun intended. I disagree. I do not think it is a necessary change that has to be made. I'm digging my heels in here because this is something I believe strongly that will offer more benefit than it would create any perceived harm. I did not attempt to accuse you of being a icky mean social justice warrior or anything, it was not a personal attack on your character. When I mentioned being PC earlier, it was in criticism of the seemingly nebulous attempt in trying to change the name of something just so that it isn't potentially offensive when the concepts of the game and the lore surrounding it are bound to create some discomfort for those who can't immediately suspend their disbelief and avoid being personally affected by components of the game.

Like, wait, is this an actual substance problem or is it a political correctness problem? Could it actually be explained what the crux of the issue is against this concept? Because if it's a PC problem and not an actual substance issue then anything I just said was redundant because I've no idea how to argue against someone else's personal comfort zone besides pointing out that this entire game and lore is centered around offensive things.

it says right here that they execute people though. It may not be written in stone that they, well, stone people, but the fact of the matter is that Dominia is quite literally written to be a religious extremist country that rabidly attempts to execute people that violate their edicts. It's also not explicitly mentioned what their edicts (short of the only two that people are aware of, one of which is banning slavery and the other is respecting the other eminent domains of the other systems) even are on the wiki so I can't even get an idea of what they consider worthy of launching system manhunts throughout their empire just to execute one person. The worst a Catholic will do to you for something like adultery will be to excommunicate you. You don't get back in. Ever. You are unable to get back into the religious community and your name is shamed forever. But you aren't killed for this, because it'd be murder. This is far, far different from what Dominia does to punish people that act outside of social grounds. The difference here is that this is not a established country with the military means to back themselves up. This is a religious faith that opines to be otherwise peaceful and non-aggressive. This is not Dominia. Not even close. Don't compare these two things here. Which is quite different from the Catholic church. The Roman Catholic Church does not promote this in the modern day. I see zero reason besides irrational anti-Catholic paranoia by itself, that this type of lore development will become a problem on the basis of the name alone of an integral department of the Catholic Church whose only goal is to investigate its own members of the Catholic community and ensure all interpretations of faith are up to par for canonical guidelines. I'm going to be harsh, and I hate to say this. It's really not relevant to the current subject to bring Dominia into this to a more serious degree that it's mentioned more than just an off-handed comparison but I'm going to say something anyway. Dominia turning into the gigantic meme that it is, is due in part to your own personal failure to enforce Dominian characters to behave and act within specific guidelines, which as of now do not seem to be specifically outlined. Not only is it the individual's fault themselves for acting like an over-the-top goofball of a character (I mean, the entire page is written rather ostentatiously, what is anyone supposed to expect?) but I can just as easily posit there's an issue in clarification on your part on how they're supposed to be acting. How can you blame these people for acting so ostentatious when the very nature of Dominia being in the lore hardly takes itself seriously? It's honestly ridiculous and over-the-top as it is. Dominia's very own OOC origin story paints a really bad picture to begin with, especially considering how it was positioned "East" of the Sol Alliance. Whatever that means in terms of a galactic core pivotal axis. Don't take this as me ragging you for this, I do not mean to put the blame only on you here. Take this as me attempting to point out the fault does not lay on the community alone here for why Dominia is the way it is. I'm sure there are other reasons that Dominia is not being taken seriously beyond it being your own involvement, but they don't stand out as much considering you fully have the capability to fix the issues endemic to Dominia and the characters that come from it. I do not think it'll go the same way with the Catholic Church on the apparent merit being put forward that it'll come into contact with the same issues that Dominia did. The Catholic Church having a religious inquisition that only affects its own religious faith and not those outside of it is not exactly as unbelievable as having a country whose middle class and rich populace are mostly only composed of very tall white people after 300 years of settling this colony. If anyone actually makes a character that's a deputy to one of the established inquisitors or something and they go around yelling at people and trying to torch them as a non-traitor then I'll go out and call them a dickhead for trying to ruin this whole thing here.

reminder that .357s can oneshot. 50-50% chance if it hits the head in which it chooses one of two organs, the eyes or the brain. 60 brute to the brain is instant death. then I am pretty sure it is either 25-33% depending on if it hits the heart or not. Once the heart takes enough damage it'll render someone instantly dead.

I'm really dubious about chemical mixtures creating certain interactions that basically combo on top of each other to either create a IJustGotShitFuckedByATraitorChemist cocktail or a *HSSS*AAAHTHATSTHESTUFF stimpack. I think chems create situations where some people already have incredible advantages with one chemical in their system alone, or it kills them almost assuredly. I don't think we need to ramp up either to 11.

I'm not sure if "Catholic Inquisition" is really that equatable to crushing the skulls of puppies, even when considering the horrible deeds that the Spaniard sect of the Catholic Church conducted upon the Berbers, Moors and even Protestant people of Spain. We can't judge all communists based on the actions of Stalin, if I might present an extreme example. Such as we can't judge the entire Catholic Holy Inquisition for the actions that several extremists brought about. At most, the deaths incurred as a result of the Spanish Inquisition only accounted for, at most, 5% of all judgement cases relating to heresy. Witch-hunting was a completely different ballpark and I couldn't really pull statistics up for it as even those numbers are dodgier and more hotly debated than as to what historians claim were casualty numbers as a result of the Spanish Inquisition's actions. The inquisition was hardly responsible for witch-hunting as much as the established monarchs during the late medieval ages prior to the Renaissance era that took part in the witch-burning on a widely organized scale. I understand where you're coming from in regards to the stigma that "Inquisition" brings to the table because most people not particularly familiar to the structure of the Catholic church will immediately relate it to the Spanish Inquisition. 3000 people killed on heresy charges alone is significant enough to be considered an atrocity when you compare it to the current times. It's barbaric to consider now and you may be right in that the barbaric stigma associated to the name might still stick. By and large it isn't going to affect anyone other than people not familiar with the Catholic church. As mentioned, "Congregation" is not going to work out as it isn't an official office of the Vatican but an integral, de-centralized expansion upon it, posed as a more broad form of an internal affairs branch of the Church practically attached to every single community to better hold their own numbers accountable in the event they commit a carnal sin. Especially those related to sexual crimes and etc. I honestly think in spite of the real life stigma that the very title of Inquisition possesses, it could create some interesting IC conflict of its own in which people generally unfamiliar with the inner workings of the post-modern Roman Catholic Church can have their own outrage against the terminology. This is one of the many facets of the overarching concept that would help characters pick their own sides in terms of how they position for it or against it. But that's my position, honestly. If Snake would like to budge, that's his call as it's his suggestion. I hope my reasoning was understood.

Definitely the second option. The head of security has probably the least stringent of education requirements compared to the other heads of staff but it can be backed up through pure combat leadership experience and a few 101 courses you take with NanoTrasen. We need more Zhan discrimination tbh.

I don't see how worst-case stigma or stereotypes would reasonably factor into roleplay without consequences. If someone takes the CDF as a witch-burning branch of the Church and actually applies it to be part of their character, that sounds like an individual player issue. Dominia outright has a Holy Tribunal that brazenly executes people for violating edicts. We apparently have a Dominian character that bragged about participating in six different stoning attempts and nobody really blinked an eye since that is apparently established lore. I did ask if that was a thing, even looked at the wiki and it's pretty much confirmed as an actual thing. Assuming your concerns are valid in this case, what's the issue of implementing an inquisition branch in an environment where atrocity is pretty par for the course? Is it the part that the Catholic church is real IRL, and the fact that Dominia is fake, so the whole witch-hunting thing is only problematic when it associates with a real organization that's done it before? Even saying that is pretty dodgy because few Catholics today would associate the result of the Spanish Inquisition as an alright thing to do. I'd say it wouldn't really matter either way because at the end of the day, none of this is real, it just establishes precedent for the world that everyone expects their characters to play a part in and express themselves. I'm not saying the RCC's inquisition should be characterized as witch-burners. Far from it.

The Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Holy Office (CDF for short) in real life is not the Holy Spanish Inquisition that burned multiple non-Catholics to the stake for their beliefs. The CDF is offhandedly called the Inquisition due in part to the fact that it was part of the reformation of that branch of the church. Mostly due to the issues of false positives and multiple canon decisions being passed that realized how extreme the Spanish Inquisition was in its quest for quelling heresy. Throughout 150,000 total individual prosecutions that the Spanish Inquisition investigated, some authors speculate only 2% -- Nearly 3,000 people, were actually executed. Other authors disagree and put this range between 1% to 5%. When taking into account archived documents from the Suprema, in which there were nearly 45000 judgements that were documented, 800~ executions were done in person and 750~ were done on a burning effigy. This is significantly less than how many were burned for witchcraft during the same time period. This is hotly contested by historians that claim either more or less in terms of numbers. There are other concerns about the validity of the Suprema as evidence given they only provide information about the processes which took place prior to 1560. History lesson aside, the current CDF/Inquisition in the modern day, to my knowledge, does not actively burn either witches or heretics at the stake. Its current role in the church structure is to, quote by John Paul II, "The proper duty of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith is to promote and safeguard the doctrine on faith and morals in the whole Catholic world; so it has competence in things that touch this matter in any way." The CDF actively investigates the most grave violations of canon such as adultery committed by a priest, crimes against the Eucharist, and other things pertaining to internal investigation of members of the Catholic Church. It's the executive authority that looks into and investigates such crimes and doles out its own judgement such as recommending anathema. The CDF also actively attempts to keep doctrine modernized and relevant to the context that it is applied. There are plenty of other associated duties to the modern-day CDF but none actually constitute as "actively go out of your way to burn witches or adulterers." They mostly just yell, scream, and bureaucratically ruin the standing of already-Catholic individuals in their communities. Jump 400 years into the future and I highly doubt they'd regress to that former state of outright seeking people to persecute and murder for their crimes. Even then, 2.5% average (assuming the worst that historians say) of people actually committed to death for their actions by the church authority is a number that isn't significant enough to identify as something that'd be a recurring issue.

I'd rather not have captains spawn in with secHUDs and create issues with lineleading and proactively going out of their way to set anyone that wrongs them to arrest. If there isn't a head of security that is one thing, but the captain should be delegating in 90% of all cases and promoting an interim head of staff in 10% of the other cases. Much as I'm unwilling to promote HOPcurity I'm not a fan of legitimizing capcurity in anything other than emergency circumstances in which donning a secHUD by walking into sec just to grab a pair would be okay. They shouldn't have access to that equipment though as it is not part of their inherent responsibilities to be utilizing and declaring who deserves to be arrested or not. That's quite unbecoming of their position and their focus should be on acting as a leader when the round starts and maybe later if they are needed then they can take charge. The question I often ask myself when I play captain isn't "will my job be made easier overall if I have a secHUD" but rather "I'm likely to have too much on my plate, playing capcurity isn't going to be appropriate in 99% of code green circumstances."

Explosions cause way too much catastrophic collateral damage and they need to be toned down. Explosives are supposed to be potent as tools rather than as total devastation mechanics.

It's cool to make jokes and all to poke at meta commentary but at the same time it's a High RP server. When you're roleplaying the character you're kinda expected to be taken seriously to a degree unless the character directly establishes, "Hey, I'm joking, don't mind this." This would be fine if you made it evidently clear it's just a poke at other established religions so that there's no mistaking it was a joke, but I think the way you went about it was going a bit far if your intention was to be humorous. I don't think Menown would've posted that IC snippet if your character later went, "Hey, actually, I'm kidding, really. Don't take that seriously." Obviously if you did and he missed that, that's his fault for not sticking around long enough to see what else you had to say. I think it sets poor precedent for someone roleplaying as a priest to go out and say that even for satire purposes (without later saying, 'hey, this is a joke!') in IC given the inevitable reaction that's kind of expected of you to receive. You've had to be cognizant that someone would've taken the joke seriously, assuming it was indeed a joke. I'm not saying I don't believe you but it strikes me as just kind of odd that it didn't occur to you that your statement was A.) not exactly very tasteful given the environment and OOC standards here and B.) really bizarre on its own without later confirmation in the same round that it was a joke. All I said too was that I really hope your character is not actually like that and you plan on playing them seriously. Leaving an impression that one of your characters is promoting a sex cult is an awkward first impression to show, I'll believe you if you say that's not them and you'll ensure that there'll be no further misconceptions. It's certainly cause for alarm.

Oh. That's actually depressing to read. I'm assuming there'll be reformation to whatever concept of religion is being pushed there. Sex and love are not exactly things that would be actively promoted as religious practices in the workplace. Definitely not in the workplace.

I gave this a lot of thought and you're right. I have been ragging you way too hard for your decisions/mistakes without treating you as just about everyone should ideally be treated, regardless of whatever drama anyone cooks up. It shouldn't be up to me to be so critical of other people. It doesn't really help anybody and it derails any kind of civility down to hell, whether I 'started it' or not, it is a significant problem with me that I start shit and blow it up to be even worse. The complaint is not about you, it's about me, so I'll respect that. It was me trying to flip it on you that is wrong, whether it's you that starts an argument or not, it doesn't matter. I have not been intending to harass you and I apologize if it got to the point where you think it was, I can absolutely see how my behavior caused a lot of stress for you. Even if there are things you do that I think aren't good for the server I shouldn't say anything if I have nothing nice to say. I will work to tone down my feisty nature and I will control myself, if I do not, feel free to open another complaint because at that point I won't have an excuse and I'll accept a ban for whatever the deciding admin thinks is best. If my word means nothing to you then, well, sorry. I will endeavor to make changes and you're welcome to monitor me closely.

Fine, I guess. Even with the options for choice, phoron's the superior output choice anyway, if not the only choice considering how much you need to endanger the SM integrity to get any other loop running and powering the station consistently, due to the amount of devices that require power.

If you're talking about understanding atmospheric differences etc. I don't think that's complex enough to justify a separate position with separate access, especially considering that most random atmos techies that join don't understand all that stuff anyway. But if we're talking about the main portion of atmospherics, how is it any different to the engine room, or solars? Electricians still have access to the engine room, as do maintenance technicians. I just don't see any benefit to having something that people have to break into so often locked behind a separate role. I get what you're saying about having a lack of unique job slots, but I don't think arbitrarily assigning a potentially crucial, and more often than not untouched, aspect of engineering behind a dead job slot in order to bump up the numbers is the solution. I get what you're saying about engineers knowing too much, but then where do we start to draw the line between what they should and shouldn't know? Are we basing their access and knowledge entirely on their job title, as opposed to any kind of specialization? At that point, I think we'd need a rework of engineering entirely, which is a pretty big undertaking and realistically isn't going to happen. There is justification for the division. Pipenets are not terribly complex (they can still be hard to wrap your head around if you're an engineering newbie, though), it's the fact that understanding the distribution network itself is not very easy when you are new. The divide between atmos tech and engineer is present to avoid having one singular job that has a gigantic amount of bloat in terms of inherent responsibilities. Engineers should not be expected to do too much.

? It's good to see that there is revived interest in this concept. Even in real life today, atheists and detractors of Christianity always falsely posit that if 'the general standard of humanity were more reasonable', that Catholicism would've collapsed in a day. Ironically, it's hubris for them to even speak that way that they're above other humans to posit such. It's a faith that's survived for thousands of years. Even as it's dropped in growth as of the 2000s era, this is mostly due to the information era causing people to seek any form of religion rather than just their local established church/mosque/etc due to how having other options. 400 years later, it will have surely paled in comparison to the staunch amount of other religions that crop up, but as it's a religion of tradition and hereditary conversion, it stands reasonable to assume it would survive for as long as it has.

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