Garnascus

Hello I removed you from the discord because i felt your extreme ethnic nationalist views coupled with your refusal to justify who "your people" where is not appropriate conduct for the discord server and the politics channel.

Welp, I am afraid i still disagree and anymore discussion will just be us going in circles.

https://forums.aurorastation.org/forum/13-whitelist-applications/ Each species requires a separate whitelist to be created. Command positions are all under one single whitelist. All of the info should be visible here.

It is not at all relevant to the issue. You're trying to argue over minor details. uhhh..? I clicked the force shuttle button and announced not to do it in an announcement. In what world does a rational human being equate that to "forcing it down player's throats". I made a decision about behavior that i find problematic. I have defended here why that behavior is problematic. I am vested with the power and authority to decide both of those things. I am sure it works for you to frame this as the big bad admin taking away the player's agency but.... thats just not what happened here. None of these arguments presented in favor of it are good ones.

I assure you i am 100% sure that holding the shuttle is indefensible. Stop playing 4D chess. I am not trying to invalidate your argument with some weird tactic. I am saying its not the point. How long or how often people do this thing is not relevant to whether its ok or not. That is what i am more interested in. 1. a TEN MINUTE countdown starts as the shuttle makes its way from the odin to the aurora. 2. Once the shuttle docks you have THREE more minutes until the shuttle departs. You have thirteen minutes to wrap up what you are doing, finish stabilizing medical patients or at the very least make some sort of pressurized hallway to escape if someone has bombed it. This is plenty of time in nearly all instances. If you delay the shuttle for any reason you are holding up the round restarting for anywhere between 20 to 60 people. That is not ok. If you have for example such a pile up of wounded individuals in medical that 13 minutes is not enough time then either two things happen. One it becomes commands responsibility to attempt to communicate on the status of departments beforehand OR you just remain behind and tend to the wounded. The odin is not a magical healing zone. You're literally better equipped to treat people on the aurora. Thats it. The coming PR will solve this. You guys will get an extra two minutes and then shuttle will force itself.

I think its an annoying attempt to play a gotcha with me. I reckoned at the time that it had been quite some time since i last saw someone hold the shuttle. I am not particularly married to the specific timeframe so i dont know why geeves thinks its appropriate to try to insult me over it. I am glad the coming PR will solve this because i am seriously disturbed at how many players justify and defend holding the shuttle. It is very selfish to do.

So, anyway. After thinking about this some more here are some things. I should not have said this and i am sorry. I am not going to argue whether or not this is an acceptable thing to joke about. My real life friends and i make these cracks at each other all the time. Maybe that makes me a terrible person in some people's eyes. OK. The main take-away here is that its not appropriate for aurora. I can easily respect that. My DMs are open if you want to talk about this some more.

As i said on server i was going to unban you the previous time you made this appeal but you withdrew it. I will now lift this.

Ehhhhh...... Kyres now that i see em both.... That does kinda look like a schlong.....

Give us this.

also voting for dismissal for reasons stated.

Thats fine. That is your opinion and like i said i will keep that in mind for the future. As i said my actual group of friends engages in this humor all the time. That is my mistake for thinking its common place. No actually and i have access to notes and administration info so i know you're just wrong. Not a single has been banned for one off-color joke. If that was true i would have banned you from the community when you insinuated i was a pedophile. People get banned for long histories of repeated abuse. If you think i qualify for that well, thats fine. I will let the team decide that.

I guess i dont really disagree with any of this. I did not seriously mean for delta to drink bleach.

oki doki

So, are you holding this complaint now with the hope of me getting removed from the team or something else?

the coming PR will solve this https://github.com/Aurorastation/Aurora.3/pull/6650 . The times are just being discussed.

as discussed on discord. Misunderstanding it looks like. Ban lifted and EXPUNGED. This is just a paper trail.

This is probably fair

I mean if delta doesnt find that personally humorous i just wont say it to him. Its pretty simple. I know you're real excited to try to play gotchas with me but you need to understand a few things. 1. i figured i was reasoning pretty fairly that with the gun jokes and me "being an american" we where at a certain level of insults. 2. I also feel like.... drinking bleach isnt actually a way to kill yourself. I feel like theres a gross difference between FUCKING KILL YOURSELF and DRINK BLEACH unless you're just trying to be un-charitable. None of this is really important though. If hes not cool with it i just wont do it. Though like i said i would have preferred he PM me.

So that comment was in response to this thread here where delta and i where arguing over guns and clowns. I made a post that if you check to read you will see contains a great deal of hyperbole. However i mean everything i said in it. It is not in reference to.....wanting delta to actually drink bleach...... Because..... you didnt post the full screenshot..... This clearly coincides with what i just said.

I mean i could post logs of some of the crazy shit you've PMed to me but i dont want to get into it with you. I made a joke with you that you didnt like. Just PM me and i would have said "hey man thats my bad" instead you ran to the forums. Yeah i do not care to discuss anything with you.

it was a joke. you could have just PMed me like an adult and said "hey man i know you where probably joking but thats not cool".

LET ME JUST OPEN THIS UP REAL QUICK THE WIZARD ROUND HAS EXACTLY ONE WIZARD WITH A WIDE ARRAY OF SPELLS. SOME OF THOSE SPELLS CAN KILL PEOPLE. SOME OF THEM CONTRIBUTE TO "ROLEPLAY". THE WIZARD GAME MODE IS ACCEPTABLE FOR HEAVY ROLEPLAY AS IS. GIVING EVERYONE ON THE STATION A GUN IS NOT. CLOWNS UNIRONICALLY WILL BREATHE NEW LIFE INTO THIS SERVERS ROLEPLAY ECOSYSTEM. WHAT IN GOD'S NAME DO YOU THINK IS GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN YOU GIVE EVERYONE ON THE STATION A GUN? OH FUCK I JUST GOT GIVEN A GUN.... AWWW.... SERVER RULES..... I CANT USE IT :((((((( NO NO YOU DUMMY THEY WILL USE THEM! THIS ISNT GRAND THEFT AUTO! GUNS KILL PEOPLE! CLOWNS ARE INNOCENT!

No this is false. 1. The shuttle was forced by someone 2. the shuttle was unforced 3. i forced the shuttle 4. the airlocks come down signaling the shuttle is launching 5. some absolute lad walks up the AIRLOCK CONTROLLER and forces the airlocks open The shuttle venting was not my fault. Dont play with airlocks. You have about 13 minutes from when the shuttle is called to get ready and get to it. If you cannot make it in time you can just..... not..... board the shuttle? This absolutely blows my mind that people try to defend doing this.

Ive said pretty much all i will say on this. Its shitty to do. Please do not do it. Its along the same line of logic as recalling a CT shuttle and staying on red alert for too long. Do not hold up the round.